ACU mil-spec. label

[Karstjager]

Friends, could you explain me the difference between -

Propper ACU Shirt – Irregular
NOTE TO MILITARY PERSONNEL: THIS GARMENT DOES NOT HAVE NIR TECHNOLOGY AND IS NOT INTENDED FOR MILITARY OPERATIONS.

http://www.armygear.net/ag/store/00196a.html

And
Propper ACU Coat
NOTE TO MILITARY PERSONNEL: THIS GARMENT HAS NIR TECHNOLOGY AND IS APPROVED FOR MILITARY OPERATIONS.

http://www.armygear.net/ag/store/00087.html


I understand that Propper ACU Shirt – Irregular hasn`t NIR TECHNOLOGY.
I want to know how to differ commercial label from mil-spec. productions label:

Shirt for Irregular and Coat for mil-spec.?

The same for TRU-SPEC production.

Will be appreciate for mil-spec label photo.

WBR,
Karstjager

[TallGuy]

Irregular means there's something wrong with it, e.g. bad stitching, missing buttons etc.
I once bought a pair of irregular jeans that had a missing belt loop. I didn't notice it until I tried to put my belt on.


Most Propper ACU uniforms sold online are the same as the Mil-Spec version except they don't have the National Stock Number on the labels. Most of them are also assembled overseas.

[Jippo]

NIR = Near InfraRed.

Means that it is either camouflaged or not in the wavelengths used by night vision devices, more specifically image intensifiers. I have civilian black boots that appear as white in NIR, mil boots remain black (and harder to see). Most nylon gear sold (tac vests etc.) are NIR reflective too, and require a coat of paint to be camouflaged in NIR.

[TallGuy]

In today's world, NIR isn't that important. There are a lot more sophisticated ways to pick up a person e.g. thermal imaging. Of all the military forums I've read, I've noticed it's mostly the Britsh troops who care about NIR. Americans couldn't care less, especially when it comes to tactical gear e.g. vests and pouches...

[WTIO]

NIR (or IRR as we call it) is still pretty damn important if you ask me. Yes there is thermal, but there are a lot more sets of II around and about than there are TI. As a point of interest, II sights are quite widespread for Dragunovs. Do you really want to be the only one 'lit up' in front of that?

Og saell Tallguy! Gaman ad sja thig!

[Sir Zach of R.]

Most Propper ACU uniforms sold online are the same as the Mil-Spec version except they don't have the National Stock Number on the labels. Most of them are also assembled overseas.

I bought a couples sets of these when my ADO never came in Iraq, huge disappointment. They were cut too small, didn't breathe at all, they definitely weren't mil-spec.

[Lasse]

I believe that NIR is a requirement from the military, and not something they do for fun. So you could basically run around in full NIR kit without knowing it.

[Karstjager]

Thank you all for your answers!
I'm more interested in not NIR technology but in difference of commercial label from mil-spec. productions label.
Where can I watch lists of NSN for clothing and footwear of the U.S. Army
Or NSN codes of mil-spec. production of Propper and TRU-SPEC.
Againe will be appreciate for mil-spec label photo.

WBR,
Karstjager

[panzerwerk]

here are some Issue labels for Universal camo items

Newer labels for Fire resistant set

http://camo.panzerwerk.com/images/stories/USfireACU2.JPG
http://camo.panzerwerk.com/images/stories/USfireACU3.JPG

early version

http://camo.panzerwerk.com/images/stories/HOV8.JPG

and cold weather jacket (M65 type)

http://camo.panzerwerk.com/images/stories/USm65ACU4.JPG

[Karstjager]

Thanks panzerwerk for yours photos, but where is a NATO Stock Number on yours labels - on "Newer labels for Fire resistant set" and "early version" ?


WBR, Poroch

[panzerwerk]

Right below the first line on the tag SPM100-05-0-0406

[Karstjager]

What is SPM?

[panzerwerk]

Have no idea , sorry

[Catch22]

Contract symbol and following number of contract awarded: this one was awarded to American Apparel

American Apparel, Inc., Selma, Ala., is being awarded a maximum $34,782,000 firm fixed price, partial set aside, indefinite quantity and indefinite delivery contract for Army Combat Uniform coats. Other locations of performance are in Alabama. Using service is Army. The proposal was originally Web solicited with 36 responses. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This contract is exercising the fourth option year period. The date of performance completion is Jan. 31, 2010. The contracting activity is Defense Supply Center Philadelphia (DSCP), Philadelphia, Pa., (SPM100-05-D-0406).

[Karstjager]

Thenks to all for yours answers!

Ok, I found some new info -
SPM100-05-D-040 - is - Solicitation Numbers
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The Solicitation Number for a specific bid opportunity is a wonderful source of information that can help you identify a procurement office. Using the Defense Logistics Agency (DLA) buying centers, let's look at what the number means and the type of contract that is contemplated


http://www.toolkit.com/small_business_guide/sbg.aspx?nid=P09_2368
So I have new question - in what case used NATO Stock Number on label and in what case used Solicitation Numbers on label?

Also I am interesting in photo show the NIR technology at work (AKU, MARPAT, MultiCam) and comparison with commercial closing.
Something like this
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/4940/nir12.jpg


WBR,

Karstjager

[Wahnsinn]

Wow, that is a pretty interesting photo, didn't realise it was quite so effective.

[Karstjager]

my new investigation of label question - i found US manual TM 10-8400-201-23

http://milcloe.info/database/TM%2010-8400-201-23.html
with detailed description of label and NATO Stock Number, or National Stock Number (NSN) of most US army uniform.

Some new info abaut NIR - photo
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/6425/usaarmyuniformfufelinef.jpg
and video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx0ggSL8CkU
of Ghost® Protection against Detection by Optoelectronic Devices frome Texplorer® GmbH.


WBR,

Poroch

[dersammler]

What is SPM?
Software Project Management I think

[Karstjager]

Software Project Management I think
Thanks!
SPM used when item did not "standardized material items of supply" for all NATO countries - like Fire resistant ACU - is that correct?

WBR,
Poroch