Muslums begin bombing Christian churches in Iraq....

[obd]

Well, it was only a matter of time before the Islamists started bombing churches in Iraq. I guess they feel that they already have enough money and arms from kidnapping, raping, and murdering thier fellow Muslums that now they can go after the hated Christians while they worship.........

here is the link.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040801/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_baghdad_blast_13

[Ichhabe]

The christians need to take their share of the burdens of war too...

[Deuterium]

The christians need to take their share of the burdens of war too...

WHAT!!!!????? I take it you're being sarcastic. There is no such thing as sharing the misery.

[Argyll]

Nothing to do with Islam,this is Zarqawi's chicken **** cowards trying to split the community,he's getting weaker in his support by the day.

Int reported that there were 10 VBIED's on their way to Baghdad this week,the target was the Palace,or the convention centre where the conference was going to be held,they cancelled,but I guess they had to use the VBIED's before they were found by the CF

[Ichhabe]

The christians need to take their share of the burdens of war too...

WHAT!!!!????? I take it you're being sarcastic. There is no such thing as sharing the misery.

It was a bad attempt on black humour...

Sort of "...nothing is new under the sun"-kinda comment.

[Ichhabe]

Argyll: VBIED= Vehicle Based Improvised Explosive Device?

[Deuterium]

The christians need to take their share of the burdens of war too...

WHAT!!!!????? I take it you're being sarcastic. There is no such thing as sharing the misery.

It was a bad attempt on black humour...

Sort of "...nothing is new under the sun"-kinda comment.

Damn put some emoticons on or something...

[Deuterium]

Argyll: VBIED= Vehicle Based Improvised Explosive Device?

Or Vehicle Bourne IED...

[American Patriot]

Zarqawi is "child's savior" (http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1274&storyid=1711532)

rofl It's so nice to know which side the print media are on

[American Patriot]

So does this guy Zarqawi chill in Fallujah only? It seems like that is the only place in Iraq where his premodern Islamofascist ass canhide.

[seruriermarshal]

Sh*t !

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040801/i/r733449594.jpg


http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040801/i/r4226802634.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040801/capt.bag13508011617.iraq_baghdad_blast_bag135.jpg


Must use B-52 attack Fallujah ! There are terrorists base !


:fork:

[American Patriot]

RIP

This is must be the final straw. ING and IP must pacify Fallujah at all costs.

[taiaha]

I bet you won't see that much coverage in the news media about church bombings compared to hours and hours of footage showing the same images again and again of militants/Islamists/psychos crying out "The Americans/British/Insert Western Nation, have deliberately bombed our mosques/homes etc.

[RuSoKaR]

Saddam was able to keep those Islamist fundamentalists in their place....

[GrantT]

he's getting weaker in his support by the day.

Not suprised one bit, as has been seen in Saudi Arabia once Islamic terrorists begin to target Muslims their support goes right down the ****ter.

[vhp]

No, he was able to make the christians shut up...

I hope the guys how did this we'll be punished.

RIP,
vhp

[Kilgor]

Saddam was able to keep those Islamist fundamentalists in their place....

That was via a iron fist.

For either the better or worse, those ways cannot be used now. Im sure in saddam's days if fallujah was a problem it would have been removed from the map.

[ROY H]

Very sad iam a devout christian myself. But any innocent lifes lost is horiable. "How do you kill women and children?" , esay you just don't lean into it as much MUAHAHHAHHAHA ant WAR HELL?"

full metal jacket owns peroid

[OB Kenobi]

Well, it was only a matter of time before the Islamists started bombing churches in Iraq.

Just like in Kosovo.

[FallenAngel]

Very sad iam a devout christian myself. But any innocent lifes lost is horiable. "How do you kill women and children?" , esay you just don't lean into it as much MUAHAHHAHHAHA ant WAR HELL?"

full metal jacket owns peroid

I believe the quote is this:

Joker: "How can you shoot women? Children?"
Gunner: "Easy....you just don't lead 'em so much..." (since they're probably slower than grown men.)

Yes, I am surprised at how little coverage this is getting compared to when US units take out a mosque that's being used as a base/armory/etc. Kinda makes the leanings of the press pretty obvious.

[Ichhabe]

Very sad iam a devout christian myself. But any innocent lifes lost is horiable. "How do you kill women and children?" , esay you just don't lean into it as much MUAHAHHAHHAHA ant WAR HELL?"

full metal jacket owns peroid

I believe the quote is this:

Joker: "How can you shoot women? Children?"
Gunner: "Easy....you just don't lead 'em so much..." (since they're probably slower than grown men.)

Yes, I am surprised at how little coverage this is getting compared to when US units take out a mosque that's being used as a base/armory/etc. Kinda makes the leanings of the press pretty obvious.

It is not news when dog bite man. It is only interesting when man bite dog. Get it? ;)

[mobster]

Yeah, religion of peace. Let me introduce you to a B2 happy muslims.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/viewimage/1047569162.jpg

[BlackRain]

People can we remain on topic please?

Can we get back to blaming the USA. I mean wasn't making Iraqi prisoners wear panties on their heads at Abu Gharib worse?

Of course this will downplayed in the media. It does support their anti-coalition message.

[Tane Angle]

mobster, if the young Shiite boy wants to inflict wounds on himself, that's his own perogative. Are you hurt by it? Is anyone but himself? Ashura is a sensitive topic in the Middle East, and agree with the ceremonies or not, I would not recommend attempting to tell them that can't do it.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[seruriermarshal]

mobster, if the young Shiite boy wants to inflict wounds on himself, that's his own perogative. Are you hurt by it? Is anyone but himself? Ashura is a sensitive topic in the Middle East, and agree with the ceremonies or not, I would not recommend attempting to tell them that can't do it.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

I'm surprised that his family member haven't stops his this kind of behavior. When a person wants to commit suicide, we must prevent him!

[American Patriot]

There's nothing wrong with cutting up your scalp for your god.. oh wait

[Tane Angle]

With all due respect and no offense, my friends, now I remember how our HUMINT is being sabotaged by our own people - because they make comments like that and pass judgement when they seem to not know much about what they are talking about.

seruriermarshal, the boy is not trying to commit suicide.

American Patriot, he's not cutting his scalp for his God (Allah), he is cutting his scalp for Ali, the grandson of Mohammed. And is there anything wrong with cutting his scalp for whomever he pleases? It's not hurting anyone but himself. Let's not judge their ceremonies, lest they judge us. Wait a minute, didn't our God say something like that?

Again Ashura is extremely sensitive, and most Shiites - whether they commemorate Ashura with self-flagellations and other self-inflicted wounds or not-, in my humble experience, don't appreciate it being ridiculed.

As always, have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[mattnwnc03]

terrorists are people to ;)

[Tane Angle]

Maybe you're not referring to my comments, but I didn't say anything about terrorists, I was talking about Shiites.

[Flagg]

With all due respect and no offense, my friends, now I remember how our HUMINT is being sabotaged by our own people - because they make comments like that and pass judgement when they seem to not know much about what they are talking about.

seruriermarshal, the boy is not trying to commit suicide.

American Patriot, he's not cutting his scalp for his God (Allah), he is cutting his scalp for Ali, the grandson of Mohammed. And is there anything wrong with cutting his scalp for whomever he pleases? It's not hurting anyone but himself. Let's not judge their ceremonies, lest they judge us. Wait a minute, didn't our God say something like that?

Again Ashura is extremely sensitive, and most Shiites - whether they commemorate Ashura with self-flagellations and other self-inflicted wounds or not-, in my humble experience, don't appreciate it being ridiculed.

As always, have a good one, and just some thoughts...

I have to agree with Tane.....100%

It's beyond disrespectful to insult a person of a foreign culture/religion for practicing what may appear to outsiders as "weird" or "wrong"....it's totally counterproductive to effectively dealing with the problems we discuss on this forum.

"They" could find Christians carrying crosses and wearing a crown of thorns , Pamplona's Running of the Bulls/Bullfighting, or a Maori Challenge as quite "weird" or "wrong" as well.

It doesn't take a Nobel Prize winner to understand how incredibly important a cultural/religious event is to a person willing to accept the loss of their blood to participate in it.

Take off the blinders and experience life....don't just sit back and judge it.

[obd]

hey Mobster, that picture of the kid with the bloody knife actually has nothing to do with violence.....Its actually a Shia ritual of atonement for the guilt of the death of a direct desendent of the prophet (Ali??)......In Christian history, and in some Christian cultures of today, there are similar rituals....An example would be in the Phillipines, there is a ritual in which the men nail themselves to crosses to display spiritual "oneness" with Jesus. Its bloody and its painfull, but its not realy about violence....Please Mobster, dont take pictures out of context like that!!!!!!!

[obd]

Woops, looks like Tane and Flagg beat me to it...Oh well, no harm in repeating an important point!!!!!!!!

[One?]

Just ask the IDF about ashura ;) they had a little incident back in 82. And as for that kid, he isn't feeling anything. And from what I have witnessed they would stop bleeding after they wash with water... wtf i know.

As for generalizing muslims killing christians its BS. It could be zarqawi and it could be a foreign country. It could be the same people who blew up the shiite shrines in karbala and najaf. It could be the same people who mass murder cadets in iraq etc.....

[Foreigner]

The fact remains that most (90%) muslims don't like people from otherreligions except for their own.

I live in a small town, but the part of the town I live in consists almost of turks (Turkey) and maroccans (Morocco). And I have to say that BASED ON MY OWN EXPERIENCES I dont like arabs and turks. 90% of them is rotten to the core.

If you are jewish and you walk downtown with that thing on your head (sorry don't know the english name for it) then there is a 90% chance that a bunch of arabs will walk up to you and either call you name like 'cancer jew' 'hamas, hamas, gas jews' or they just beat the hell outta you.

Same goes for being gay. Our freedoms have been stripped away because we have given too much freedom to people who don't deserve it. Islam isn't a peacefull religion. It's a dangerous undergrondmovement, who has come above now. We must stop it.

I strongly hope that USA keep it's 'muslims-percentage' low and stops ALL immigration from muslim countries. Because everywhere where muslims became/BECOME a minority riots between Muslims and Non-Muslims have broken out. Because Europe doesn't have the balls to say: WE DONT WANT ANY MORE MUSLIMS. People want it, so where is our democracy? There are plans to let Turkey join, while 99% of our non-muslim population is AGAINST it. (And dumbass Bush ain't helping us... :cantbeli: )

Kosovo, Milosevich wasnt that bad. It's a shame that NATO was supporting UÇK rebels when they were murdering slavic christian families. SAme goes for India where hindu's can't stand muslims because they don't know how to behave.

Now don't get me wrong. I do now a couple of good muslims, but that's nothing compared to all the rotten pieces of **** who don't deserve to live.

And don't tell me that Im wrong because my opinions are truly based on REAL LIFE EXPERIENCES besides the socalled 'jew controlled' mediacoverage.

[Mongrel]

All major Religions are false, and for the weak minded...Cathulu will lead the way.
;)

[Kilgor]

The fact remains that most (90%) muslims don't like people from otherreligions except for their own.

I live in a small town, but the part of the town I live in consists almost of turks (Turkey) and maroccans (Morocco). And I have to say that BASED ON MY OWN EXPERIENCES I dont like arabs and turks. 90% of them is rotten to the core.

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I have friend who also lives in holland, he has travelled the world is very open and worldly, but cannot stand or trust maroccans.

[Foreigner]

The fact remains that most (90%) muslims don't like people from otherreligions except for their own.

I live in a small town, but the part of the town I live in consists almost of turks (Turkey) and maroccans (Morocco). And I have to say that BASED ON MY OWN EXPERIENCES I dont like arabs and turks. 90% of them is rotten to the core.

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I have friend who also lives in holland, he has travelled the world is very open and worldly, but cannot stand or trust maroccans.

That's because they are agressive, weakly-minded and racist against non-muslims.

[UoUo]

The fact remains that most (90%) muslims don't like people from otherreligions except for their own.

I live in a small town, but the part of the town I live in consists almost of turks (Turkey) and maroccans (Morocco). And I have to say that BASED ON MY OWN EXPERIENCES I dont like arabs and turks. 90% of them is rotten to the core.

If you are jewish and you walk downtown with that thing on your head (sorry don't know the english name for it) then there is a 90% chance that a bunch of arabs will walk up to you and either call you name like 'cancer jew' 'hamas, hamas, gas jews' or they just beat the hell outta you.

Same goes for being gay. Our freedoms have been stripped away because we have given too much freedom to people who don't deserve it. Islam isn't a peacefull religion. It's a dangerous undergrondmovement, who has come above now. We must stop it.

I strongly hope that USA keep it's 'muslims-percentage' low and stops ALL immigration from muslim countries. Because everywhere where muslims became/BECOME a minority riots between Muslims and Non-Muslims have broken out. Because Europe doesn't have the balls to say: WE DONT WANT ANY MORE MUSLIMS. People want it, so where is our democracy? There are plans to let Turkey join, while 99% of our non-muslim population is AGAINST it. (And dumbass Bush ain't helping us... :cantbeli: )

Kosovo, Milosevich wasnt that bad. It's a shame that NATO was supporting UÇK rebels when they were murdering slavic christian families. SAme goes for India where hindu's can't stand muslims because they don't know how to behave.

Now don't get me wrong. I do now a couple of good muslims, but that's nothing compared to all the rotten pieces of **** who don't deserve to live.

And don't tell me that Im wrong because my opinions are truly based on REAL LIFE EXPERIENCES besides the socalled 'jew controlled' mediacoverage.

Oh...and you people just started to get that....

In the end all europe will feel what we felt over 50 years.....

[Kriz]

If Turkey or any other muslim country ever joins the EU I'm never ever gonna vote again.

[Kriz]

The fact remains that most (90%) muslims don't like people from otherreligions except for their own.

I live in a small town, but the part of the town I live in consists almost of turks (Turkey) and maroccans (Morocco). And I have to say that BASED ON MY OWN EXPERIENCES I dont like arabs and turks. 90% of them is rotten to the core.

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I have friend who also lives in holland, he has travelled the world is very open and worldly, but cannot stand or trust maroccans.

That's because they are agressive, weakly-minded and racist against non-muslims.

True, not a long tima ago someone I know, a busdriver, got beaten the sh*t out of him by couple of morrocons . He ended up in hospital for quite some time :s
But if you say young arab males resort to violence more often then other youngsters, then you are the racist criminal pig. :|

[UoUo]

How much percent of your pop' are muslims? and what the rate of the immigration
to your country by muslims?

[Kriz]

Immigration has decreased of late but I don't know the exact percentage. What I do know however is that in the capital city (Brussels) the name Muhammed was the one chosen the most for new born boys. I think that says enoguh, right ? They all have 5 childrean at least while most "typical" europeans only have 1 or 2 ...

[UoUo]

Immigration has decreased of late but I don't know the exact percentage. What I do know however is that in the capital city (Brussels) the name Muhammed was the one chosen the most for new born boys. I think that says enoguh, right ? They all have 5 childrean at least while most "typical" europeans only have 1 or 2 ...

Ok i see...and five is nothing...the "beduis" in the south here have something like 30 children from 3 diffrend wifes (at least some of them serving in the army...but still :\).

[Foreigner]

There are 20% immigrants in our country. Nothing wrong with it. But half of those 20% are from 'non'-western countries. In other words there are over 1.5 muslims in our country. And I must admit that I know a couple of good muslims, but really. Maroccans are ROTTEN TO THE CORE.

If a girl has too little clothes on, (A nice hot top with a short skirt ;) )then they feel that she isn't properly dressed according to the ****ing sharia and either call her a WHORE or touch her (if they are in the bus) And that happend every ****ing day here.


Now dont get me wrong. Im not nazi, im not racist. I'm an immigrant myself in Holland, but Im so sick and tired of these criminal muslim arabs, imagine what a native Dutchman/woman must feel.

[Kilgor]

yes.. my dutch pal says the same thing.

And hes as far left as one can get, so its definately saying something ! :P

[Mongrel]

Give in...er I mean Vote Cthulhu :P

http://www.cthulhu.org/cthulhu/index.html

Cheers!
M.

[Kriz]

There are 20% immigrants in our country. Nothing wrong with it. But half of those 20% are from 'non'-western countries. In other words there are over 1.5 muslims in our country. And I must admit that I know a couple of good muslims, but really. Maroccans are ROTTEN TO THE CORE.

If a girl has too little clothes on, (A nice hot top with a short skirt ;) )then they feel that she isn't properly dressed according to the f*** sharia and either call her a WHORE or touch her (if they are in the bus) And that happend every f*** day here.


Now dont get me wrong. Im not nazi, im not racist. I'm an immigrant myself in Holland, but Im so sick and tired of these criminal muslim arabs, imagine what a native Dutchman/woman must feel.

Sounds so familiar for someone living in Belgium. * sigh

[Foreigner]

There are 20% immigrants in our country. Nothing wrong with it. But half of those 20% are from 'non'-western countries. In other words there are over 1.5 muslims in our country. And I must admit that I know a couple of good muslims, but really. Maroccans are ROTTEN TO THE CORE.

If a girl has too little clothes on, (A nice hot top with a short skirt ;) )then they feel that she isn't properly dressed according to the f*** sharia and either call her a WHORE or touch her (if they are in the bus) And that happend every f*** day here.


Now dont get me wrong. Im not nazi, im not racist. I'm an immigrant myself in Holland, but Im so sick and tired of these criminal muslim arabs, imagine what a native Dutchman/woman must feel.

Sounds so familiar for someone living in Belgium. * sigh

Spreek je toevallig Nederlands?

[BlackRain]

We have trouble in the USA with Muslim schools teaching hate and intolerance of other religions. I thought that it was the religion of peace?

Here is an example.
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Islamic groups hit curriculum at Saudi school

Two Islamic groups say a private Saudi school in Alexandria is teaching first-graders an extreme version of Islam that fosters contempt for other religions, a charge denied by the Saudi government, which creates curriculum for such schools.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), a District-based Islamic civil rights and advocacy group, has joined with the Free Muslim Coalition Against Terrorism in calling for an Arabic textbook to be removed from classes at the Islamic Saudi Academy.

One page in the manual for the first-grade textbook instructs teachers to tell students that any religion other than Islam is false.

"These first-grade students are very impressionable," said Kamal Nawash, a Palestinian and practicing Muslim who runs the six-month-old Free Muslim Coalition Against Terrorism.

"The extremist version of Islam encourages violence. We don't need to be teaching that anymore in this diverse world. We need to teach people to get along."

The Islamic Saudi Academy referred inquiries to the Saudi Embassy, which dismissed Mr. Nawash's assertion as an attempt to restart a failed political career.

Embassy spokesman Nail Al-Jubeir compared the textbook to any other religious teaching and said it was "shameful" of Mr. Nawash "to be using this as a source of bigotry."

"They are making a big thing out of nothing," Mr. Al-Jubeir said. "If that's the only thing they have to bring up, how pathetic the argument is. Judaism does not recognize Christ as the Messiah. Christians say the only way to salvation is accepting Christ in your heart."

CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper said the textbook page conflicts with the teachings in the Koran, which says Jews, Christians and all "who believe in God" will "have their reward with their Lord."

"The [page of the] textbook is inaccurate in terms of portraying Islam's relationship with other faiths," Mr. Hooper said. "I would suggest either removing the textbook or inserting a notation that something is being changed in the textbook."

Mr. Nawash began a campaign this week criticizing the school. CAIR studied the textbook page and backed his stance.

According to the academy's Web site, its educational curriculum and materials are established by the Saudi Ministry of Education.

"We strive to educate and develop every aspect of a student's life, including spiritual, moral, intellectual, and physical," the site states. "Simultaneously, the Academy aspires to create an atmosphere that motivates students to strive for academic excellence, take personal responsibility, and become productive citizens in their communities."

A few years ago, Mr. Nawash said, the Saudi government revised 5 percent of its textbooks and classroom material considered offensive. Mr. Nawash thought that the Islamic Saudi Academy's materials had been edited, but he found the disputed page recently in the 2003 edition of the school's manual for first-grade teachers.

Mr. Al-Jubeir suggested that Mr. Nawash is taking advantage of recent attacks on Saudi Arabia by filmmaker Michael Moore in "Fahrenheit 9/11" and by others. Mr. Al-Jubeir also suggested that Mr. Nawash is criticizing the school for political gain.

Mr. Nawash, a Republican immigration lawyer from Falls Church, tried unsuccessfully to unseat state Sen. Mary Margaret Whipple, Arlington Democrat, in 2003. He received 30 percent of the vote, and Mrs. Whipple was elected to a third term.

He also ran unsuccessfully for the state House of Delegates in 2001.
But Mr. Nawash said he has no intention of running for office again and that his only motive is to stop extremist teaching that he fears will lead to terrorism.

"This is much more important, and it should have been done a long time ago. There is a strong movement of people pushing extremist Islam that tolerates any means, including terrorism, to meet their goals," he said. "It's not a handful, it's a worldwide uprising. ... We're not staying silent anymore."

This is not the first time Mr. Nawash has been under scrutiny.
His law firm once represented Abdul Rahman al-Amoudi, a prominent U.S. Muslim leader who had a role in a Libyan conspiracy to assassinate Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah. Al-Amoudi on Friday pleaded guilty to illegal financial transactions with Libya and admitted his role in the plot.

Al-Amoudi had donated $10,000 to Mr. Nawash's campaign for the state Senate. Mr. Nawash returned the donation.

When asked whether he was friends with al-Amoudi, Mr. Nawash refused to comment.

"I was part of a law firm that represented him," he said. "I can't really comment on that. One of the attorneys in the firm represented him for a short time."

Al-Amoudi's current attorney, Stanley Cohen, said Mr. Nawash's firm has had "nothing to do" with the case for 10 months.

In defending his position, Mr. Hooper cited the teachings of the prophet Muhammad in the Hadiths: "Both in this world and in the Hereafter, I am the nearest of all people to Jesus, the son of Mary. The prophets are paternal brothers; their mothers are different, but their religion is one."