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miguelencanarias
07-16-2010, 10:09 PM
OK, everybody hold your horses and breath deep, this is not a BDP question. No loadouts involved and no need to wish to see the colour of my guts.

No, my question is this: if I am not mistaken the SAS members don't use the berets in actual field operations or in public occasions when they could be photographed and identified (which could endanger cover operations).

If so, when do they use it (if at all)? I ask this because I would find it perfectly reasonable if the beret were more of a symbol of the achievement and not something to actually wear.

If I am correct in this premise, is this the same with the South African and Australian SAS or it is just a British thing?

JUNKHO
07-17-2010, 01:06 AM
I am not aware of a beret having any good use whatsoever.

According to a trooper in the 82nd, "They aren't even good azz wipe!"

Sandgroper
07-17-2010, 02:32 AM
Have to wear something on your head while you're going about your day at Hereford/Swanbourne/Papakura or wherever?
Edit: Just a guess

BLUE THOR
07-17-2010, 04:48 AM
Barracks dress. We dont wear our maroon berets for much else - occasionally ceremonial. Rarely on ops - never for combat.
I imagine they have a similar look on life.

Eztyga
07-17-2010, 05:24 AM
Ceremonial mainly, plus the prestige of being given one to wear. Some of the old guard wera them at gatherings. You also see them being worn in photos on the ADF media site, again for ceremonial reasons.

martinexsquaddie
07-17-2010, 10:10 AM
on various camps they wear say there doing courses . Although certain members will try to go bareheaded claiming secuirty though with the beret in the pocket . As if oakleys and a bare head will not stick out all :)
when it was suggested Helmets were a fine alternative to a beret the berets came out.
a certain young prince at sandhurst had to endure encouragement from two I presume sas types bareheaded oakleys mp5s and pistols while the prince tabbed up a hill in full plce with helmet that must have sucked nothing like having someobody in light order whos infinitly fitter than you are next to you when your loaded down with kit.

Dinges
07-17-2010, 11:06 AM
In the South African context the beret with the compass rose is worn by all brigade personnel including support staff as per normal military practice. However the "operators" are given an operators badge that is worn on the uniform to distinguish from other brigade staff.

And we don't have SAS. They are known as the South African Special Forces Brigade. But everyone calls them the recce's.

Some more info: http://www.recce.co.za/home

Scorchio
07-17-2010, 11:15 AM
I think I read somewhere that they carried berets while foiling an IRA bomb-plot on Gibraltar in plain clothes. IIRC they donned berets after shooting the PIRA members to identify themselves as SAS to the police when they arrived on the scene, so as not to be mistaken for criminal gunmen.

Have seen such berets worn by territorial SAS at Remembrance Day services and mess with No.2 Dress (was in camp, not in public). IIRC the SAS are one of the few regiments that wear a beret with No.1 and No.2 dress instead of a forage cap.

miguelencanarias
07-17-2010, 11:26 AM
And we don't have SAS.

My apologies for the mistake. Obviously my brain, while in a drug-induced haze, got all confused with Rhodesian SAS and how many of their members ended up in South Africa's special forces.

I should have also asked about New Zealand SAS.

Deathchant
07-17-2010, 03:59 PM
In one of Andy Mcnabs books he mentions at a funeral that it is one of the few times they wear full uniform with berret. I guess its just for formal occoasions and what not.

rgjbloke
07-17-2010, 04:08 PM
Never had anything to do with them but I only ever saw members of the SAS wearing berets in working dress. The few I saw were returning to the regiment for whatever reason.

Skukuza
07-18-2010, 03:39 AM
The Rhodesian SAS were far more open with their berret than the British/Aussie or NZ lot.

Macaca sylvanus
07-18-2010, 08:03 PM
These are from an old 80s Osprey book, The Special Air Service. I think its out of print now.


http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll30/lstagnetto/ggdotjpg

Early 1960s: members of 22 SAS, wearing 'woolly pullies' and regimental stable belts, attend a lecture on US small arms from a 'Green Beret' NCO at Fort Bragg, N. Carolina. (22 SAS)


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An SAS unit photographed in Malaysia during the 1960s, wearing No. 7 Dress ('Warm Weather Working'). Note temporarily attached shoulder wings; small-size white rank chevrons; and black insignia on officer's shoulderstraps (centre front). (22 SAS)


http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll30/lstagnetto/_Osprey__-__Men_at_Arms__116__-Tddhdotjpg

SAS soldiers in the type of camouflaged 'windproof' worn in the 1970s before the introduction of DPM camouflage material. (21 SAS)


http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll30/lstagnetto/_Osprey__-__Men_at_Arms__116__-T-1dotjpg

Remembrance Day parade—a misty November morning at Bradbury Lines, with wreaths laid on the clock tower on which the names of the SAS dead are recorded. (22 SAS)



A couple of the Plates:

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll30/lstagnetto/_Osprey__-__Men_at_Arms__116__-The_dotjpg

G1: Major, 21 SAS, No. 1 Dress; UK, 1980
The ceremonial 'blues' are now very seldom seen in practice. Note that this uniform is almost identical to that of Plate Da, apart from the plain blue shoulder straps. As a field-rank officer he wears tight cavalry-style overalls strapped under the boots. The beret is now worn in place of the peaked cap; the black Artists' Rifles 'cartridge belt', supporting a small leather pouch at the rear, has silver whistle fittings which include a lion-mask and the wreathed Mars and Minerva badge of the regiment. This is worn with the 'blues' by the regimental CO and the 'officer of the day'. His service medals indicate East Africa and one other theatre of operations, with the bronze oakleaf of a Mention in Despatches.

G2: Corporal, 21 SAS, No. 2 Dress; UK, 1980
This NCO wears standard khaki service uniform with bi-metal 'collar dogs', regimental buttons, SAS para-wings and Artists' Rifles chevrons; the beige beret and embroidered cap badge; blackened 1937 web belt with bright brasses; and polished boots DMS. Many personnel in the Territorial SAS regiments do not apply for No. 2 Dress uniforms, as they have very few opportunities to wear them. The para-wings worn by 23 SAS are slightly different from those of 21 and 22, being slightly down-turned.

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F2: Major, 22 SAS, No. 2 Dress; UK, 1980
The re-introduction of the beige beret in 1957 saw the replacement not only of the airborne beret but also of the Service Dress cap; officers, now wear the beret at all times with a special version of the cap badge, with silver wire wings and sword and blue scroll, all outlined red, on a shaped dark blue backing. The normal Army officer's khaki service dress is worn, with silver regimental buttons and bi-metal 'collar dogs'. (All ranks of 22 SAS retain their own 'parent unit' service dress, simply replacing badges and buttons during their tour of duty with the SAS; it is thus possible to see examples of Guards or Highland pattern tunics, and even the occasional use of tartan trews or the kilt.) The black regimental Sam Browne and brogues are worn here; the usual SAS wings are sewn to the right shoulder, and on the breast is the General Service ribbon, indicating in this case service in the Far East and/or Arabia.

F3: Staff Sergeant, 22 SAS, Barrack Dress; UK, 1980
The regimental beret is worn with the reinforced 'woolly pully', green lightweight trousers, boots DMS and puttees, and the regimental stable belt. The ranking—a crown over three chevrons over 'S.A.S.'—appears in black on the shoulder strap slides. SAS para-wings are temporarily pinned to the right shoulder. This same uniform, with pullover or shirtsleeves, and barrack or No. 2 Dress trousers, is normally worn by officers.



Somewhere in my collection I have a photo of Princess Anne inspecting an SAS sqn., they are on parade, in DPM combats and wearing the the sand beret, I think it was dated to the late 80s, but can't find it right now.

Slouch
07-18-2010, 08:10 PM
Barracks dress. We dont wear our maroon berets for much else - occasionally ceremonial. Rarely on ops - never for combat.
I imagine they have a similar look on life.

I bet every single member of your battalion takes it with them overseas, though! :D

Royal
07-19-2010, 03:59 PM
I think I read somewhere that they carried berets while foiling an IRA bomb-plot on Gibraltar in plain clothes. IIRC they donned berets after shooting the PIRA members to identify themselves as SAS to the police when they arrived on the scene, so as not to be mistaken for criminal gunmen.

There are (and were) far more obvious ways to do that.

They wear them in camp and on courses with barrack dress/95s and what ever else passes for working dress.

They wear them with 2 dress for funerals, medals parades and the like. Other than that they gather dust.

digrar
07-20-2010, 08:53 AM
Barracks dress. We dont wear our maroon berets for much else - occasionally ceremonial. Rarely on ops - never for combat.
I imagine they have a similar look on life.


I bet every single member of your battalion takes it with them overseas, though! :D

And on bush trips, on jumps, down the shops, to the SALs, to answer the door in the middle of the night... ;)

BLUE THOR
07-20-2010, 08:55 AM
I bet every single member of your battalion takes it with them overseas, though! :D

You know too much....



And on bush trips, on jumps, down the shops, to the SALs, to answer the door in the middle of the night. ;-)


oh, Piss off you jealous bastards... you're all a pack of mongerels

I've actually gone in favour of the bush hat around barracks now. I'm a bit jack of the Bn. Plus the bush hat has a Fot Flap at the back - works for me. ;-)

rgjbloke
07-21-2010, 03:43 PM
Now....A rifle green beret is the item to wear, anywhere, anytime. A proven babe magnet if ever there was one. Anything else won't quite do it. If Carlsberg made berets, they would be rifle green. p-)

Royal
09-14-2010, 09:20 AM
If Carlsberg made berets, they would be rifle green. p-)

Right colour, wrong shade p-)

Press images of a funeral a few years back....

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b176/RoyalPhoto/4030183dotjpg http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b176/RoyalPhoto/4030675dotjpg http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b176/RoyalPhoto/40307082dotjpg http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b176/RoyalPhoto/4030718dotjpg