Jordan Angry at Israel Trying to Block Arms Sale

[He219]

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A US Navy ordnance handler sits, awaiting instructions, amid stacked AMRAAM missiles in the hangar bay of the USS Kitty Hawk 28 March 2003 in northern Gulf waters. Israeli opposition is unlikely to scuttle US plans to sell an air-to-air missile system to Jordan, senior US officials said after weekend reports that the Israeli government was trying to block the sale


Israeli opposition unlikely to stop sale of US missiles to Jordan: officials (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040802/ts_nm/mideast_jordan_missiles_dc_1)

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Israeli opposition is unlikely to scuttle US plans to sell an air-to-air missile system to Jordan, senior US officials said after weekend reports that the Israeli government was trying to block the sale.

"The details are being worked out but we think the sale will go forward," one official told reporters on condition of anonymity.

A second official said Washington foresaw no changes in the planned sale but stressed that it could be modified to ensure that Israel, the top US ally in the Middle East, would not be threatened.

The State Department declined to comment on the status of the potential sale of the AMRAAM system to Jordan, saying the issue could not be discussed until the US Congress was notified but praised close US-Jordanian ties and gave no indication that Israel's objection would prevail.

"We have a strong relationship with Jordan," deputy spokesman Adam Ereli said.

"We certainly appreciate all that Jordan has done to contribute to regional stability, including its support for a stable, secure and democratic Iraq, as well as its efforts to foster peace between Palestinians and Israelis," he told reporters.

At the same time, Ereli added: "We remain committed to Israel's qualitative military edge and will do nothing to degrade it."

Earlier Monday, Jordan rejected Israel's reported opposition to the deal, which was revealed in weekend media reports in Israel.

"Jordan is sticking to its right in possessing all weapons it deems necessary to arm its forces to guarantee Jordan's security and stability against any aggression," government spokeswoman Asma Khodr told reporters.

On Sunday, reports in Israel said the government, fearing that Jordan could eventually sell the AMRAAM system to Egypt, had written to members of the US Congress in an attempt to torpedo the sale.

Opposition to the deal is being led by Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz and Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom who are both concerned about the idea of Israel's large southern neighbor Egypt possessing such advanced weaponry, according to the reports.

Israel concluded a peace treaty with Jordan in 1994, while Egypt in 1979 became the first Arab country to make peace with the Jewish state.

[UoUo]

What can i say...

At least when one day the arabs will attack us with US made weopns..

We could say "we told you"...

[Moledet]

Well the US can do as it wish, but than don't complain when we sell weapons to countries that we consider friendly (i.e. China).

[Kampfbaer]

If the US refuses to sell advanced weapons to Jordan, wouldn't Jordan turn to Russia or France to get the weapons they want?

[gilgoul]

If the US refuses to sell advanced weapons to Jordan, wouldn't Jordan turn to Russia or France to get the weapons they want?

You made a point here, and Jordan haing those missiles is not like Syria having them, Jordan prooved to be stable in the last 40 years.

Our official outcry is a thing, it could even help the status in jordan in the arab world, but, like for egypt and it`s <1A1 tanks (without chobam), I`m sure that Jordan will et some AA missiles and we`ll get the countermesures, even if I setill think we havee nothing to fear from Jordan right now.
If, on the other hand, they were equiped with french or British AA missiles, we should start to feel a little more crap about those deals.

[UoUo]

If the US refuses to sell advanced weapons to Jordan, wouldn't Jordan turn to Russia or France to get the weapons they want?

You made a point here, and Jordan haing those missiles is not like Syria having them, Jordan prooved to be stable in the last 40 years.

Our official outcry is a thing, it could even help the status in jordan in the arab world, but, like for egypt and it`s <1A1 tanks (without chobam), I`m sure that Jordan will et some AA missiles and we`ll get the countermesures, even if I setill think we havee nothing to fear from Jordan right now.
If, on the other hand, they were equiped with french or British AA missiles, we should start to feel a little more crap about those deals.

You sure that egypt didn't get the chobam armor?

[SpikeATGM]

Selling arms is a typical american ways of gaining some politcal control over others. look at the states Iranian F14 and u will know.

Lets be pragmatic and realistic, in any case if US don't sell them, they would get it from others. Would Israeli rather their ally US sell weapons to the arab and have a leverage over the arab or let some hostile countries in EU or Russian sell arms to them?

[oldsoak]

Selling arms is a typical american ways of gaining some politcal control over others. look at the states Iranian F14 and u will know.

Lets be pragmatic and realistic, in any case if US don't sell them, they would get it from others. Would Israeli rather their ally US sell weapons to the arab and have a leverage over the arab or let some hostile countries in EU or Russian sell arms to them?

- a very Sing. way of looking at things ! :)
...besides are the weapons the real deal or something de-tuned ? They surely would not do that, would they ?

[FDF_Hemppis]

hostile countries in EU or Russian sell arms to them?

You're kidding, right? :roll:

[UoUo]

hostile countries in EU or Russian sell arms to them?

You're kidding, right? :roll:

Hostile countries to Israel i think he meant...anyway..if they won't buy the weopns from US they will buy it from Russia or the Eu..i don't know what is worst..

And maybe there are + cuz jordan become depends in US if they buy from them wopns.

[FDF_Hemppis]

hostile countries in EU or Russian sell arms to them?

You're kidding, right? :roll:

Hostile countries to Israel i think he meant...

Funny, I didn't know there are countries hostile towards Israel in the EU :roll:
Maybe they don't approve some actions taken by Israel, but to say hostile is a bit exaggerated to me...

[UoUo]

hostile countries in EU or Russian sell arms to them?

You're kidding, right? :roll:

Hostile countries to Israel i think he meant...

Funny, I didn't know there are countries hostile towards Israel in the EU :roll:
Maybe they don't approve some actions taken by Israel, but to say hostile is a bit exaggerated to me...

Yeah right...condem every act of Israel...in hypocrisy...i think that hostile....

exsmple...condem the killing of Ahmed yassin....but if the US will kill Osama they won't condem....

[FDF_Hemppis]

hostile countries in EU or Russian sell arms to them?

You're kidding, right? :roll:

Hostile countries to Israel i think he meant...

Funny, I didn't know there are countries hostile towards Israel in the EU :roll:
Maybe they don't approve some actions taken by Israel, but to say hostile is a bit exaggerated to me...

Yeah right...condem every act of Israel...in hypocrisy...i think that hostile....

exsmple...condem the killing of Ahmed yassin....but if the US will kill Osama they won't condem....

No. They don't condemn all of Israel’s actions, just the ones which are shall we say "dubious".

Sooo...you think blowing people up with missiles is okay then? By your own logic it would be fine for the Palestinians to blow up i.e. an IDF jeep in the street or an outpost... The difference is, of course, that IDF tries to avoid civilian casualties, when the terrorists downright wish for them. Result: people killing people. Sad.

And before you go all Jihad on my ass, I'm NOT defending any terrorist killing innocent people. I'm merely questioning whether not some of the methods used (also) by Israel are really necessary or legal. And yes, the US, among many other countries also bends the law, when it's convenient for them.

[Ichhabe]

So Norway is a hostile country towards Israel? You who think that need to get medication for your paranoia. I'm out of words, actually...

[UoUo]

Maybe "hostile is not the right word...but soory...can exsplain myself...no dout that uerope acting in double standart..and most of the countries there are propalstinain.

[Moledet]

hostile countries in EU or Russian sell arms to them?

You're kidding, right? :roll:

Hostile countries to Israel i think he meant...

Funny, I didn't know there are countries hostile towards Israel in the EU :roll:
Maybe they don't approve some actions taken by Israel, but to say hostile is a bit exaggerated to me...

Yeah right...condem every act of Israel...in hypocrisy...i think that hostile....

exsmple...condem the killing of Ahmed yassin....but if the US will kill Osama they won't condem....

No. They don't condemn all of Israel’s actions, just the ones which are shall we say "dubious".

Sooo...you think blowing people up with missiles is okay then? By your own logic it would be fine for the Palestinians to blow up i.e. an IDF jeep in the street or an outpost... The difference is, of course, that IDF tries to avoid civilian casualties, when the terrorists downright wish for them. Result: people killing people. Sad.

And before you go all Jihad on my ass, I'm NOT defending any terrorist killing innocent people. I'm merely questioning whether not some of the methods used (also) by Israel are really necessary or legal. And yes, the US, among many other countries also bends the law, when it's convenient for them.
Well it works, so you were all wrong.
Killing a man that ordered that killing of over 350 people is legal (but ofcourse the EU and it's hypocrisy claimed that it's not legal). Another example for the hypocrisy of Europe was not long ago. Before the trial in Huge most of the Europeans country sent letters that say that they do not believe that this court should discuss this subject, after the court rulled all the European countries voted for the decision in the general assembly.

BTW, yes it will be legal for Palestinians to blow up an Israeli outpost or to attack military targets.

[Nizark]

Jordan is as trustworthy country as anyone can ask for regarding arab states. They have a peace peace treaty with israel, jordanian border troops actually do help israel and stop **** from happening, unlike syria, and hell, they can have these missiles, but israeli and american pilots are so better equipped and trained that these missile would crash down to the ground still on their rails if hostilities were to break out between Jordan and an US ally.

[One?]

riiight jordan trying to help arabs. Weren't they the same people that warned israel about the invasion. Weren't they also the same people who gave arabs f**ked up weapons? Yup they will invade israel for sure.