'Mercenaries' lose SA appeal

[Geezah]

South Africa's highest court has rejected an appeal for the extradition of 70 alleged South African mercenaries being tried in Zimbabwe.

The constitutional court upheld a June ruling against ordering the government to seek their extradition.

If extradited to Equatorial Guinea, where they are accused of plotting a coup in March, they could face the death penalty.

The men deny plotting a coup but admit weapons and immigration offences.

'Minor violations'

Families of the men, who all hold South African passports, wanted the men to stand trial in South Africa instead, where the constitution forbids the death penalty.

The Zimbabwe government recently signed an extradition deal with Equatorial Guinea, where other South Africans are being held on suspicion of being the advanced party in the alleged plot.

But Chief Justice Arthur Chaskalson dismissed the appeal.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39873000/gif/_39873766_africa_sa_zim_map203.gif

"All the judgements hold that the claim that steps be taken as a matter of urgency by the South African government to seek the extradition of the applicants from Zimbabwe must be dismissed," he said.

Last week during their trial in Zimbabwe, Simon Mann, the alleged leader of the men, pleaded guilty to security offences and all but three pleaded guilty to minor violations of aviation and immigration laws.

The group have maintained all along that they were going to the Democratic Republic of Congo to provide security for mining operations.

The governments of South Africa, Zimbabwe and Equatorial Guinea believe they were heading to the small, oil-rich country to overthrow the government.

The men, who have been held for four-and-a-half months in a high security prison with restricted access to lawyers and relatives, have complained about prison conditions.

Following their arrest in March, they had claimed they were tortured by Zimbabwean security agents.



BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3534732.stm)


The men behind the 'Guinean plot'


BBC News Online looks at what is known about the alleged mercenaries being held in Zimbabwe and Equatorial Guinea.

Zimbabwe's Home Affairs Minister Kembo Mohadi has said that all 64 men detained after their plane was impounded in Harare were African.

Zimbabwe state television described them as mostly white, "heavily-built males".


According to Mr Mohadi, Simon Witherspoon - referred to as a "known South African mercenary" - was the leader of the group.

He is reported to be a former member of the South African Defence Force, who joined the now defunct mercenary company Executive Outcomes (EO) in 1989.

The minister said that Mr Witherspoon had operated in various countries in Africa including the Ivory Coast.

Another EO member - former British SAS officer, Simon Mann - has been named as a "co-conspirator".


He is said to have met the plane at Harare International Airport.

'Buffalo Battalion'

Details about the rest of the group are sketchy.

Angolan and South African diplomatic sources have said the suspects in Harare could be former members of the disbanded South African army unit, the "32 Buffalo Battalion".

"All that we know is that these the Angolans among the alleged mercenaries belonged to the former Buffalo Battalion," Angolan Foreign Affairs Minister Joao Miranda said.

The "Buffalo Battalion" operated during the apartheid era and was made up of foreign soldiers, many of them from Portuguese-speaking countries.

The unit fought in Namibia and Angola in the 1970s and 1980s.

Executive links

Of the 15 suspected mercenaries held in Equatorial Guinea, Nick du Toit has been presented as the group's leader.

He appeared on Equatorial Guinea state television saying that the men had been part of a plot to remove President Teodoro Obiang Nguema and put an exiled opposition leader in power.

Mr Du Toit - identified on television as a 48-year-old South African - is reportedly a former member of a South African reconnaissance unit.

He is also said to have links with Executive Outcomes.

EO was initially based in South Africa. In the 1990s, it was paid by the Angolan state oil company, Sonangol, to assist the Angolan army in regaining control of the Soyo oilfields from Unita rebels.

It was later involved in supporting the Sierra Leone Government in its attempts to defeat rebels.

The company closed when South Africa introduced its Regulation of Foreign Military Assistance Act - which prohibits the involvement of South Africans in mercenary activities abroad without due authorisation - in 1999.

But a South African security analyst told The Star newspaper that the three former EO members working together suggests that the company could be operating again.

Embarrassment

Little is known about the rest of the group, other than South Africans are believed to be among them.


The incident has caused much embarrassment for the South African government.

The Foreign Ministry has said any of its citizens involved in mercenary activities are in "serious breach" of the Foreign Military Assistance Act.

It is disturbing to hear that "every time" the world dealt with mercenaries, South Africans were among them, Foreign Minister Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma said.

"We definitely do not like the idea that SA is a pool for mercenaries."



BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3504748.stm)

[TriggerPuller]

I have met one of them men being held,good man!!! Many of the SA fellas(mostly RECCE's) that i worked with in Iraq are afraid that their country will envoke the Mercenary law on them once they get home. They are just security contractors like the rest of us but their countries history with mercenaries and them being white they dont have much chance once they get home if their GOV decides they are mercs!

TP

[Tom The Hunter]

South Africa's highest court has rejected an appeal for the extradition of 70 alleged South African mercenaries being tried in Zimbabwe.

The constitutional court upheld a June ruling against ordering the government to seek their extradition.

If extradited to Equatorial Guinea, where they are accused of plotting a coup in March, they could face the death penalty.

The men deny plotting a coup but admit weapons and immigration offences.

'Minor violations'

Families of the men, who all hold South African passports, wanted the men to stand trial in South Africa instead, where the constitution forbids the death penalty.

The Zimbabwe government recently signed an extradition deal with Equatorial Guinea, where other South Africans are being held on suspicion of being the advanced party in the alleged plot.

But Chief Justice Arthur Chaskalson dismissed the appeal.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39873000/gif/_39873766_africa_sa_zim_map203.gif

"All the judgements hold that the claim that steps be taken as a matter of urgency by the South African government to seek the extradition of the applicants from Zimbabwe must be dismissed," he said.

Last week during their trial in Zimbabwe, Simon Mann, the alleged leader of the men, pleaded guilty to security offences and all but three pleaded guilty to minor violations of aviation and immigration laws.

The group have maintained all along that they were going to the Democratic Republic of Congo to provide security for mining operations.

The governments of South Africa, Zimbabwe and Equatorial Guinea believe they were heading to the small, oil-rich country to overthrow the government.

The men, who have been held for four-and-a-half months in a high security prison with restricted access to lawyers and relatives, have complained about prison conditions.

Following their arrest in March, they had claimed they were tortured by Zimbabwean security agents.



BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3534732.stm)


The men behind the 'Guinean plot'


BBC News Online looks at what is known about the alleged mercenaries being held in Zimbabwe and Equatorial Guinea.

Zimbabwe's Home Affairs Minister Kembo Mohadi has said that all 64 men detained after their plane was impounded in Harare were African.

Zimbabwe state television described them as mostly white, "heavily-built males".


According to Mr Mohadi, Simon Witherspoon - referred to as a "known South African mercenary" - was the leader of the group.

He is reported to be a former member of the South African Defence Force, who joined the now defunct mercenary company Executive Outcomes (EO) in 1989.

The minister said that Mr Witherspoon had operated in various countries in Africa including the Ivory Coast.

Another EO member - former British SAS officer, Simon Mann - has been named as a "co-conspirator".


He is said to have met the plane at Harare International Airport.

'Buffalo Battalion'

Details about the rest of the group are sketchy.

Angolan and South African diplomatic sources have said the suspects in Harare could be former members of the disbanded South African army unit, the "32 Buffalo Battalion".

"All that we know is that these the Angolans among the alleged mercenaries belonged to the former Buffalo Battalion," Angolan Foreign Affairs Minister Joao Miranda said.

The "Buffalo Battalion" operated during the apartheid era and was made up of foreign soldiers, many of them from Portuguese-speaking countries.

The unit fought in Namibia and Angola in the 1970s and 1980s.

Executive links

Of the 15 suspected mercenaries held in Equatorial Guinea, Nick du Toit has been presented as the group's leader.

He appeared on Equatorial Guinea state television saying that the men had been part of a plot to remove President Teodoro Obiang Nguema and put an exiled opposition leader in power.

Mr Du Toit - identified on television as a 48-year-old South African - is reportedly a former member of a South African reconnaissance unit.

He is also said to have links with Executive Outcomes.

EO was initially based in South Africa. In the 1990s, it was paid by the Angolan state oil company, Sonangol, to assist the Angolan army in regaining control of the Soyo oilfields from Unita rebels.

It was later involved in supporting the Sierra Leone Government in its attempts to defeat rebels.

The company closed when South Africa introduced its Regulation of Foreign Military Assistance Act - which prohibits the involvement of South Africans in mercenary activities abroad without due authorisation - in 1999.

But a South African security analyst told The Star newspaper that the three former EO members working together suggests that the company could be operating again.

Embarrassment

Little is known about the rest of the group, other than South Africans are believed to be among them.


The incident has caused much embarrassment for the South African government.

The Foreign Ministry has said any of its citizens involved in mercenary activities are in "serious breach" of the Foreign Military Assistance Act.

It is disturbing to hear that "every time" the world dealt with mercenaries, South Africans were among them, Foreign Minister Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma said.

"We definitely do not like the idea that SA is a pool for mercenaries."



BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3504748.stm)


It seems that being a brittish terrorist, is permited!
HIPOCRITES!

[EvanL]

South Africa's highest court has rejected an appeal for the extradition of 70 alleged South African mercenaries being tried in Zimbabwe.

The constitutional court upheld a June ruling against ordering the government to seek their extradition.

If extradited to Equatorial Guinea, where they are accused of plotting a coup in March, they could face the death penalty.

The men deny plotting a coup but admit weapons and immigration offences.

'Minor violations'

Families of the men, who all hold South African passports, wanted the men to stand trial in South Africa instead, where the constitution forbids the death penalty.

The Zimbabwe government recently signed an extradition deal with Equatorial Guinea, where other South Africans are being held on suspicion of being the advanced party in the alleged plot.

But Chief Justice Arthur Chaskalson dismissed the appeal.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39873000/gif/_39873766_africa_sa_zim_map203.gif

"All the judgements hold that the claim that steps be taken as a matter of urgency by the South African government to seek the extradition of the applicants from Zimbabwe must be dismissed," he said.

Last week during their trial in Zimbabwe, Simon Mann, the alleged leader of the men, pleaded guilty to security offences and all but three pleaded guilty to minor violations of aviation and immigration laws.

The group have maintained all along that they were going to the Democratic Republic of Congo to provide security for mining operations.

The governments of South Africa, Zimbabwe and Equatorial Guinea believe they were heading to the small, oil-rich country to overthrow the government.

The men, who have been held for four-and-a-half months in a high security prison with restricted access to lawyers and relatives, have complained about prison conditions.

Following their arrest in March, they had claimed they were tortured by Zimbabwean security agents.



BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3534732.stm)


The men behind the 'Guinean plot'


BBC News Online looks at what is known about the alleged mercenaries being held in Zimbabwe and Equatorial Guinea.

Zimbabwe's Home Affairs Minister Kembo Mohadi has said that all 64 men detained after their plane was impounded in Harare were African.

Zimbabwe state television described them as mostly white, "heavily-built males".


According to Mr Mohadi, Simon Witherspoon - referred to as a "known South African mercenary" - was the leader of the group.

He is reported to be a former member of the South African Defence Force, who joined the now defunct mercenary company Executive Outcomes (EO) in 1989.

The minister said that Mr Witherspoon had operated in various countries in Africa including the Ivory Coast.

Another EO member - former British SAS officer, Simon Mann - has been named as a "co-conspirator".


He is said to have met the plane at Harare International Airport.

'Buffalo Battalion'

Details about the rest of the group are sketchy.

Angolan and South African diplomatic sources have said the suspects in Harare could be former members of the disbanded South African army unit, the "32 Buffalo Battalion".

"All that we know is that these the Angolans among the alleged mercenaries belonged to the former Buffalo Battalion," Angolan Foreign Affairs Minister Joao Miranda said.

The "Buffalo Battalion" operated during the apartheid era and was made up of foreign soldiers, many of them from Portuguese-speaking countries.

The unit fought in Namibia and Angola in the 1970s and 1980s.

Executive links

Of the 15 suspected mercenaries held in Equatorial Guinea, Nick du Toit has been presented as the group's leader.

He appeared on Equatorial Guinea state television saying that the men had been part of a plot to remove President Teodoro Obiang Nguema and put an exiled opposition leader in power.

Mr Du Toit - identified on television as a 48-year-old South African - is reportedly a former member of a South African reconnaissance unit.

He is also said to have links with Executive Outcomes.

EO was initially based in South Africa. In the 1990s, it was paid by the Angolan state oil company, Sonangol, to assist the Angolan army in regaining control of the Soyo oilfields from Unita rebels.

It was later involved in supporting the Sierra Leone Government in its attempts to defeat rebels.

The company closed when South Africa introduced its Regulation of Foreign Military Assistance Act - which prohibits the involvement of South Africans in mercenary activities abroad without due authorisation - in 1999.

But a South African security analyst told The Star newspaper that the three former EO members working together suggests that the company could be operating again.

Embarrassment

Little is known about the rest of the group, other than South Africans are believed to be among them.


The incident has caused much embarrassment for the South African government.

The Foreign Ministry has said any of its citizens involved in mercenary activities are in "serious breach" of the Foreign Military Assistance Act.

It is disturbing to hear that "every time" the world dealt with mercenaries, South Africans were among them, Foreign Minister Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma said.

"We definitely do not like the idea that SA is a pool for mercenaries."



BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3504748.stm)


It seems that being a brittish terrorist, is permited!
HIPOCRITES!
South Africans arent British. Lots of dutch down there ya know? See what happens if you call one of em British.

[EvanL]

South Africa's highest court has rejected an appeal for the extradition of 70 alleged South African mercenaries being tried in Zimbabwe.

The constitutional court upheld a June ruling against ordering the government to seek their extradition.

If extradited to Equatorial Guinea, where they are accused of plotting a coup in March, they could face the death penalty.

The men deny plotting a coup but admit weapons and immigration offences.

'Minor violations'

Families of the men, who all hold South African passports, wanted the men to stand trial in South Africa instead, where the constitution forbids the death penalty.

The Zimbabwe government recently signed an extradition deal with Equatorial Guinea, where other South Africans are being held on suspicion of being the advanced party in the alleged plot.

But Chief Justice Arthur Chaskalson dismissed the appeal.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39873000/gif/_39873766_africa_sa_zim_map203.gif

"All the judgements hold that the claim that steps be taken as a matter of urgency by the South African government to seek the extradition of the applicants from Zimbabwe must be dismissed," he said.

Last week during their trial in Zimbabwe, Simon Mann, the alleged leader of the men, pleaded guilty to security offences and all but three pleaded guilty to minor violations of aviation and immigration laws.

The group have maintained all along that they were going to the Democratic Republic of Congo to provide security for mining operations.

The governments of South Africa, Zimbabwe and Equatorial Guinea believe they were heading to the small, oil-rich country to overthrow the government.

The men, who have been held for four-and-a-half months in a high security prison with restricted access to lawyers and relatives, have complained about prison conditions.

Following their arrest in March, they had claimed they were tortured by Zimbabwean security agents.



BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3534732.stm)


The men behind the 'Guinean plot'


BBC News Online looks at what is known about the alleged mercenaries being held in Zimbabwe and Equatorial Guinea.

Zimbabwe's Home Affairs Minister Kembo Mohadi has said that all 64 men detained after their plane was impounded in Harare were African.

Zimbabwe state television described them as mostly white, "heavily-built males".


According to Mr Mohadi, Simon Witherspoon - referred to as a "known South African mercenary" - was the leader of the group.

He is reported to be a former member of the South African Defence Force, who joined the now defunct mercenary company Executive Outcomes (EO) in 1989.

The minister said that Mr Witherspoon had operated in various countries in Africa including the Ivory Coast.

Another EO member - former British SAS officer, Simon Mann - has been named as a "co-conspirator".


He is said to have met the plane at Harare International Airport.

'Buffalo Battalion'

Details about the rest of the group are sketchy.

Angolan and South African diplomatic sources have said the suspects in Harare could be former members of the disbanded South African army unit, the "32 Buffalo Battalion".

"All that we know is that these the Angolans among the alleged mercenaries belonged to the former Buffalo Battalion," Angolan Foreign Affairs Minister Joao Miranda said.

The "Buffalo Battalion" operated during the apartheid era and was made up of foreign soldiers, many of them from Portuguese-speaking countries.

The unit fought in Namibia and Angola in the 1970s and 1980s.

Executive links

Of the 15 suspected mercenaries held in Equatorial Guinea, Nick du Toit has been presented as the group's leader.

He appeared on Equatorial Guinea state television saying that the men had been part of a plot to remove President Teodoro Obiang Nguema and put an exiled opposition leader in power.

Mr Du Toit - identified on television as a 48-year-old South African - is reportedly a former member of a South African reconnaissance unit.

He is also said to have links with Executive Outcomes.

EO was initially based in South Africa. In the 1990s, it was paid by the Angolan state oil company, Sonangol, to assist the Angolan army in regaining control of the Soyo oilfields from Unita rebels.

It was later involved in supporting the Sierra Leone Government in its attempts to defeat rebels.

The company closed when South Africa introduced its Regulation of Foreign Military Assistance Act - which prohibits the involvement of South Africans in mercenary activities abroad without due authorisation - in 1999.

But a South African security analyst told The Star newspaper that the three former EO members working together suggests that the company could be operating again.

Embarrassment

Little is known about the rest of the group, other than South Africans are believed to be among them.


The incident has caused much embarrassment for the South African government.

The Foreign Ministry has said any of its citizens involved in mercenary activities are in "serious breach" of the Foreign Military Assistance Act.

It is disturbing to hear that "every time" the world dealt with mercenaries, South Africans were among them, Foreign Minister Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma said.

"We definitely do not like the idea that SA is a pool for mercenaries."



BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3504748.stm)


It seems that being a brittish terrorist, is permited!
HIPOCRITES!
South Africans arent British. Lots of dutch down there ya know? See what happens if you call one of em British.

[Roger Rabbit]

Another EO member - former British SAS officer, Simon Mann - has been named as a "co-conspirator".

I think thats whom Tom The Hunter is refering to.

[Tom The Hunter]

There were ex-SAS officers with the SA boys!

[Tom The Hunter]

Another EO member - former British SAS officer, Simon Mann - has been named as a "co-conspirator".

I think thats whom Tom The Hunter is refering to.

Right!

[Geezah]

There were ex-SAS officers with the SA boys!

If you check the link you will find it's 1 read 1 Ex SAS member not plural :cantbeli:

You never answered my question about the Gurkhas?

[Tom The Hunter]

There were ex-SAS officers with the SA boys!

If you check the link you will find it's 1 read 1 Ex SAS member not plural :cantbeli:

You never answered my question about the Gurkhas?

They are payed, so they are mercenaries!
That fight for a country that repressed them for centuries.

[Geezah]

There were ex-SAS officers with the SA boys!

If you check the link you will find it's 1 read 1 Ex SAS member not plural :cantbeli:

You never answered my question about the Gurkhas?

They are payed, so they are mercenaries!
That fight for a country that repressed them for centuries.

Tom The Hunter....you've just proved how clueless you really are :cantbeli: if you PM me your address I'll send you a quarter so you can go out and buy yourself one!
We fought against the people of Nepal a number of times and at no point did we defeat them and then they were not repressed by the British.
Both parties during these encounters were so impressed at how well they fought that the British asked the Gurhkas if they would fight along side the British and they came to an agreement(shortened version)!

Maybe if you pulled your head out of you @r$e you would see the World how it really is!

I have another question, what do you think about the copuis amounts of illegal arms that are flooding Britain from the Balkans?

[RFSU]

I have met one of them men being held,good man!!! Many of the SA fellas(mostly RECCE's) that i worked with in Iraq are afraid that their country will envoke the Mercenary law on them once they get home. They are just security contractors like the rest of us but their countries history with mercenaries and them being white they dont have much chance once they get home if their GOV decides they are mercs!

TP

I dont know any of the guys being held but I do know some blokes that do. And "TriggerPuller" is right! This is a messy deal! These boys were doing what they thought was right(yes I know they were getting paid).
If you know anything about the situation over there you can plainly see that these boys were on the right side. My fear is that they might not make it home.

[Gatling]

Doing what they thought was right , is not enough man. These guys are mercs , trying to overthrow foreign regimes for money. As far as i know that's illegal.Plus the fact that they are white has nothing to do with it.They are mainly from former units of the Apartheid regime, that have been dismantled, and these guys won't serve in the new SA that they beleive is ruled by their former ennemies.{ANC}

[Tom The Hunter]

There were ex-SAS officers with the SA boys!

If you check the link you will find it's 1 read 1 Ex SAS member not plural :cantbeli:

You never answered my question about the Gurkhas?

They are payed, so they are mercenaries!
That fight for a country that repressed them for centuries.

Tom The Hunter....you've just proved how clueless you really are :cantbeli: if you PM me your address I'll send you a quarter so you can go out and buy yourself one!
We fought against the people of Nepal a number of times and at no point did we defeat them and then they were not repressed by the British.
Both parties during these encounters were so impressed at how well they fought that the British asked the Gurhkas if they would fight along side the British and they came to an agreement(shortened version)!

Maybe if you pulled your head out of you @r$e you would see the world how it really is!

I have another question, what do you think about the copuis amounts of illegal arms that are flooding Britian from the Balkans?

Boy!
All your wars were INVADER'S WARS!
THAT'S ENOUGH FOR ME!

[mocking_loudly_died]

Boy!
All your wars were INVADER'S WARS!
THAT'S ENOUGH FOR ME!

That’s right Britain f*cking owned the world at one point; we make tossers like you speak our language because we were so f*cking bad ass.
Now whatever piss ant country you might hail from we must have laid a massive **** on your doorstep thus resulting in these boring tirades towards the UK.

This gives me a much joy.

Now f*ck off and die.

[Tom The Hunter]

Boy!
All your wars were INVADER'S WARS!
THAT'S ENOUGH FOR ME!

That’s right Britain f*cking owned the world at one point; we make tossers like you speak our language because we were so f*cking bad ass.
Now whatever piss ant country you might hail from we must have laid a massive **** on your doorstep thus resulting in these boring tirades towards the UK.

This gives me a much joy.

Now f*ck off and die.

So Hitler's war was right? They wanted to invade you.
And you were defended by these men that you exterminated, theifted and raped for centuries. And they now turn in your country as emmigrants and **** you women and your so calkled effeminated men!

[mocking_loudly_died]

Boy!
All your wars were INVADER'S WARS!
THAT'S ENOUGH FOR ME!

That’s right Britain f*cking owned the world at one point; we make tossers like you speak our language because we were so f*cking bad ass.
Now whatever piss ant country you might hail from we must have laid a massive **** on your doorstep thus resulting in these boring tirades towards the UK.

This gives me a much joy.

Now f*ck off and die.

So Hitler's war was right? They wanted to invade you.
And you were defended by these men that you exterminated, theifted and raped for centuries. And they now turn in your country as emmigrants and f*** you women and your so calkled effeminated men!

Your Mamma so fat she is Estonian - word.
Dude you smell like an animal molestor.

[Geezah]

There were ex-SAS officers with the SA boys!

If you check the link you will find it's 1 read 1 Ex SAS member not plural :cantbeli:

You never answered my question about the Gurkhas?

They are payed, so they are mercenaries!
That fight for a country that repressed them for centuries.

Tom The Hunter....you've just proved how clueless you really are :cantbeli: if you PM me your address I'll send you a quarter so you can go out and buy yourself one!
We fought against the people of Nepal a number of times and at no point did we defeat them and then they were not repressed by the British.
Both parties during these encounters were so impressed at how well they fought that the British asked the Gurhkas if they would fight along side the British and they came to an agreement(shortened version)!

Maybe if you pulled your head out of you @r$e you would see the world how it really is!

I have another question, what do you think about the copuis amounts of illegal arms that are flooding Britian from the Balkans?

Boy!
All your wars were INVADER'S WARS!
THAT'S ENOUGH FOR ME!

You really are confused aren't you........next you're going to tell us that you're part of the Aryan Nation rofl

[Royal]

Your Mamma so fat she is Estonian - word.
Dude you smell like an animal molestor.

Mocking either he's getting to you or you're slipping. Estonian chicks are hot.

[Shake n Bake]

no good can come of this..

[Tom The Hunter]

Your Mamma so fat she is Estonian - word.
Dude you smell like an animal molestor.

Mocking either he's getting to you or you're slipping. Estonian chicks are hot.

WHAT!!!!
You are interssed on women????!!!!
OMG! This is a very new, and seems very untrue!

[Roger Rabbit]

Your Mamma so fat she is Estonian - word.
Dude you smell like an animal molestor.

Mocking either he's getting to you or you're slipping. Estonian chicks are hot.

WHAT!!!!
You are interssed on women????!!!!
OMG! This is a very new, and seems very untrue!
:lol: This guy reminds me of a small annoying cousin who won't shut up.

[Gringo]

Your Mamma so fat she is Estonian - word.
Dude you smell like an animal molestor.

Mocking either he's getting to you or you're slipping. Estonian chicks are hot.

WHAT!!!!
You are interssed on women????!!!!
OMG! This is a very new, and seems very untrue!
:lol: This guy reminds me of a small annoying cousin who won't shut up.

People like that are very annoying. I have a step brother like that, good thing I haven't seen him for 6 months.

[mocking_loudly_died]

Your Mamma so fat she is Estonian - word.
Dude you smell like an animal molestor.

Mocking either he's getting to you or you're slipping. Estonian chicks are hot.

Well, his hardly worth my usual bile is he.
I just made up something retarded on the spot because of this inane crap i'm forced to wade through.

[Ayura]

lol

Maybe he just likes to insult Britain because it makes him think that he looks good.

Looooser rofl

[Gatling]

Time is GMT + 8 hours
Posted: 24 August 2004 0321 hrs Death demanded for South African 'mercenary' in E Guinea coup bid MALABO : The prosecutor in the case of South African alleged mercenary leader Nick du Toit, who has admitted a limited role in a coup bid in Equatorial Guinea, called for him to be sentenced to death.

Du Toit told the court in Malabo that he had taken charge of logistics for an attempted putsch.
The admission came on the first day of his trial in the capital of the small central African state with 17 other alleged putschists, who have been charged with plotting to oust President Teodoro Obiang Nguema.

"I wasn't part of the operational group because my task was logistics, that's to say getting vehicles" to the airport, Du Toit, who runs a number of businesses in the country, said when he was returned to the courtroom on his own after an adjournment.

Questioned by Attorney General Jose Olo Obono, the South African said he had accepted the job at the request of Simon Mann, the alleged leader of 70 other suspected mercenaries arrested in Zimbabwe He said Mann had promised him a million dollars and the right to pursue his business activities.

The mercenaries held in Zimbabwe were allegedly due to join others in Equatorial Guinea to carry out the coup against the man who has run the country with his family and close aides since 1979.

Du Toit, who served with the South African special forces in the apartheid era, was evasive when questioned about his exact role, in particular whether he was involved in the planned attack on a police barracks. "It was more than six months ago," he said. "I don't remember any more but I think so." He said his co-accused were not aware of what was being planned and that he had just asked them to meet people at the airport.

The state prosecutor announced that besides the death penalty for Du Toit he wanted prison terms ranging from 26 years to 86 years for the South African's co-defendants.

Du Toit appeared along with seven other South Africans, six Armenians and four Equatorial Guineans, including former deputy economic planning minister Antonio Javier Nguema Nchama, on charges ranging from "crimes against the head of state" to treason and terrorism. Du Toit implicated exiled opposition leader Severo Moto, head of a "government in exile" in Madrid and accused of masterminding the coup attempt.

"I was told he was in a country very nearby... and that he would be there 30 minutes after the coup."

Three days after his arrest du Toit "confessed" on television that Moto had told him to kidnap Obiang.

Obono cited the names of Moto, accused of masterminding the coup, and British businessmen Elie Khalil, Greg Wales and David Hurt, alleged paymasters of the would-be putschists, but did not say what sentences they faced if found guilty.

Spain refused to extradite Moto, leading Malabo to recall its ambassador to Madrid in July and threaten to break off diplomatic relations. The envoy returned to his post on August 14 after a Spanish parliamentary delegation visited Malabo.Du Toit's lawyer, Fernando Mico, called for a seven-year prison term for his client, saying: "There was no conspiracy given that no weapons were found in their possession."

Lawyer Polciano Mbomio, pleading on behalf of the six Armenian defendants, asked for charges against them to be dropped, and called Obono's summary "narrative fiction."

All 18 suspects are charged with "crimes against the head of state, against the form of government... crimes which compromise peace and independence of the state, treason, illegal possession of arms and ammunition, terrorism and possessing explosives."

Handcuffed and in leg-irons, the accused were brought by military vehicles to the international conference hall in Banapa, a suburb of Malabo, which has been transformed into a makeshift courtroom for the trial.The South African and Armenian suspects have been held at Malabo's notorious Black Beach prison since March. Their arrests coincided almost to the day with that of the alleged mercenaries detained at Harare airport following a tip-off from the South African government.

Family members of the men held in Equatorial Guinea say the suspects have been tortured.

Fifteen foreign suspects were arrested on March 6 in Malabo, but one, German Eugen Nershz, died on March 17, with the Equato-Guinean authorities saying the cause of death was cerebral malaria.But Amnesty International has said Nershz "died... apparently as a result of torture".

A verdict is expected next week, a lawyer at the court said.

- AFP

[Gatling]

FROM ******* last update.:Mark Thatcher arrested in coup probe
Wed 25 August, 2004 14:10 By Gordon Bell

CAPE TOWN (*******) - South African police have arrested the son of former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher on suspicion of involvement in a mercenary plot to topple the government of oil-rich Equatorial Guinea.

Thatcher was taken to a Cape Town court to face charges in connection with the alleged coup plot after police searched his home in an upscale suburb at the foot of Table Mountain.

"This man has a very serious case to answer in court," said Makhosini Nkosi, a spokesman for the FBI-style Scorpions unit as police arrived to arrest Thatcher. "The Scorpions unit does not just arrest people unless there is a very strong case."

The 51-year-old Thatcher, dressed in a dark suit, blue shirt and blue tie, did not speak to reporters outside his house as he was led to a black police sedan to be taken to the courthouse.

Nkosi said his unit went into action following cooperation with their Equatorial Guinea counterparts. He suggested Thatcher could be granted bail, under the condition he did not leave South Africa. Thatcher, a businessman, moved to Cape Town from the United States in 1996, and lived in the same street as Simon Mann, a former British special forces officer on trial in Zimbabwe where he is accused of being the ringleader of the alleged plot.

Armed guards kept watch outside Thatcher's high-walled, thatched-roof house and police escorted men, believed to be his lawyers, inside before he was taken to court.

Thatcher, whose mother was premier from 1979-90, became Sir Mark when he inherited a baronetcy upon the death of his father Denis last year.

MERCENARY TRIALS

Police are investigating Thatcher on suspicion of violating South Africa's tough anti-mercenary law in connection with what officials have called a plot to overthrow President Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo of Equatorial Guinea, sub-Saharan Africa's third largest oil producer.

"We have alleged that he (Thatcher) is a financier in that particular coup attempt ... we are looking for documents that are going to assist us in our investigation. We take this very seriously," said another Scorpian spokesman, Sipho Ngwema.

Eighty four foreigners, mostly South Africans, have been put on trial simultaneously in Zimbabwe and Equatorial Guinea in one of Africa's most spectacular mercenary cases for decades.

A South African among the group on trial in Equatorial Guinea was recalled by judges on Wednesday and said he had discussed a business deal with Thatcher. Nick du Toit told the court he had been introduced to the British businessman by Mann. South African media said Thatcher is a friend of Mann, seized with more than 60 others in March when their plane landed in Harare. Officials said they were on their way to join co-conspirators in Equatorial Guinea.

Du Toit told the court on Tuesday the plotters hoped to install an exiled opposition politician as head of state.

Scorpian spokesman Nkosi said he did not expect Thatcher to be extradited to Equatorial Guinea. "South Africa is opposed to the death penalty and we wouldn't extradite someone to a country where he would face the danger of the death penalty," he said.

Thatcher was privately educated at the elite Harrow School but with little academic success. He failed his accountancy examinations three times.

Dubbed "The Boy Mark" by British media, he was worshipped by his mother. He tried a number of jobs including car rally driver.

When her son got lost in the Sahara desert during a car rally in 1982, the "Iron Lady" broke down and wept in public. She only shed public tears again when she quit the premiership.