The 8 most over-rated people in history

[black mamba]

interesting article

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-juddery/overrated-people_b_688237.html#s129489

[Robert.V]

I'm surprised Duke of Wellington is missing from that list.

[Zoomie]

HuffPo lecturing about history? Pass.

[gustav]

There are people in this list I never heard of. (Lady Godiva and Machine gun kelly?)

[DaveDash]

I'm surprised Duke of Wellington is missing from that list.

err???

The guy actually had an extremely solid career and didn't succumb to arrogence and under-estimate his opponents unlike someone else.

[SoftLion]

The author appears to have been infected with a serious case of dumb****.

[Octavariable]

#9, Barak Hussein Obama.

[futurepilot2004]

Well that was a waste of 5 minutes.

[Russianlynxy]

Ronnie Reagan... lol

where is Lady Gaga?

[Corrupt]

I'm surprised Duke of Wellington is missing from that list.

You are aware that he won at more battles than Waterloo right? He was effectively the Nelson of the army. He won a series of incredibly important battle. I suggest you check out the column listing his victories(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellington's_Column)

Look up say Assaye or Busaco

[GB_FXST]

Silvio Dante is gonna be pissed ....

[futurepilot2004]

You are aware that he won at more battles than Waterloo right? He was effectively the Nelson of the army. He won a series of incredibly important battle. I suggest you check out the column listing his victories(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellington's_Column)

Look up say Assaye or Busaco

x2,
as an aside the Wellington monument in Dublin is the second largest obelisk in the world apparently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellington_Monument,_Dublin

[Player]

My list:

1. Justin Bieber
2. Justin Bieber
3. Justin Bieber
4. Justin Bieber
5. Justin Bieber
6. Justin Bieber
7. Justin Bieber
8. Rest of the celebs

[Victor1]

#9, Barak Hussein Obama.

You telling me Hussein OBama isn't on that list? Major disapoint, also, Luis Inácio Lula da Silva.

PS: too much liberal bias in that article
PS2: they forgot about Che Guevara. Nothing more than a spoiled brat with a craving for shooting peope in the face.

[T-5 Killer]

You telling me Hussein OBama isn't on that list? Major disapoint, also, Luis Inácio Lula da Silva.

PS: too much liberal bias in that article
PS2: they forgot about Che Guevara. Nothing more than a spoiled brat with a craving for shooting peope in the face.

+1 on Che......

[Ataman]

Dalai Lama anyone? Most overrated living person.

[Octavariable]

PS2: they forgot about Che Guevara. Nothing more than a spoiled brat with a craving for shooting peope in the face.

Oh come on, you're just jealous it's Ernesto, and not you, that has his face on red shirts in one of the world's most ironic Communism V Capitalism bout ;)

[sgt_G]

#10 macs p-)

[LineDoggie]

Mark Juddery: Overrated: The 50 Most Overhyped Things in History
sales rank: 566,322

He seriously brings up Bose over Gandhi as someone who would have liberated India?

Guess he forgot WWII when Bose became a tool for Japan, the INA never won a single battle for Japan

[LineDoggie]

Dalai Lama anyone? Most overrated living person.
Well we must get him into a raft to shoot darts at whales then ;)

[gazell]

The top guys are:

Marx, Engels, Lenin, Dzsugasvili, Polpot, etc.

They are not over-rated.

[artjomh]

OK, so 5 out of 8 people on that list are from the XX century.

Anyone who makes a "Top X in History" lists where a majority of people are from the most current age is a phony pop-culture "historian" not worthy of a name.

[FlintHillBilly]

#9, Barak Hussein Obama.

Meh, I beg to differ. You only put him at 9? Thats off the list which could be a good thing. Lets move him into the top 3..thats more fitting for him if you ask me...

[JCR]

Overrated doesn't mean "you don't like them", but people who had less impact than assumed.
But there's only one website that can publish such lists and be cool and that is cracked.com :)

And who are Machine Gun Kelly and Lady Godiva?

[Zandt]

Mandela deserves a spot on that list as well.

[muttbutt]

Churchill perhap's?, *cat has been thrown to the pidgeon's*

And I'm serious.

[TheEvian100]

Mandela deserves a spot on that list as well.

You mean Mantiba!! Saw it in Invictus :)

[doll4rs]

Solzgenicin, Shevchuk, Makarevich, Mikhalkov, Gorbachev, Putin, Politkovskaya, Gaydar

west and whole other world is irrelevant compared to those monsters

[ammo can]

WTF? That was a waste of time. The author had an acorn in his ass.

[I can't think of a name]

All the other people were fluff for him to slip Reagan in there at the end.

The whole point of his poor article was to call Reagan overrated.

[Mein Teil]

Meh, huffpoo stinks.

[budgie]

#9, Barak Hussein Obama.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=94522

[budgie]

All the other people were fluff for him to slip Reagan in there at the end.

The whole point of his poor article was to call Reagan overrated.

Probably yes. The writer should have just manned up and wrote a story on why or in what areas Reagan was overrated rather than hide behind Lady Godiva.

[Soldat_Américain]

So much hate on the King of the Britons.

[custodes]

So much hate on the King of the Britons.

Pick up an British/English history book and look for Arthur. It's Alfred The Great who was the most important King. :-)


Oh yeah.....Huff Po= Poo Poo.

[Soldat_Américain]

Alfred was a king of Saxons...not British. Arthur...whatever his real name was existed and he fought the Saxons.

[I can't think of a name]

Alfred was a king of Saxons...not British. Arthur...whatever his real name was existed and he fought the Saxons.

Some theory has Arthur as a Roman Briton who held off the Angles and the Saxons from taking what is now Wales.

[budgie]

Some theory has Arthur as a Roman Briton who held off the Angles and the Saxons from taking what is now Wales.

That's just a theory - the man is a semi-legendary chief. Since the Arthur legend is billed a singularly English one, it's interesting to note that in the conquests of the area now knopwn as England it was the invaders (Angles, Jutes and Saxons) who won. The idea of an actual England however came almost 500 years later with King Alfred of Wessex, who was real, was an Anglo-Saxon (not a Briton as Arthur is purported to be) and sought to unite all Saxon lands under one rule.

[ex1cdo]

I'm surprised Duke of Wellington is missing from that list.

Sure. Let's put William of Orange in his place.

Bloody foreigners, we win their wars for them, then they dump on us. :roll:

[loganinkosovo]

You telling me Hussein OBama isn't on that list? Major disapoint, also, Luis Inácio Lula da Silva.

PS: too much liberal bias in that article
PS2: they forgot about Che Guevara. Nothing more than a spoiled brat with a craving for shooting peope in the face.

Come on Dude. You know everyone at HufPuf masturbates to a photo of Che every morning. It's their pledge of allegiance!

[Soldat_Américain]

Some theory has Arthur as a Roman Briton who held off the Angles and the Saxons from taking what is now Wales.

That's pretty much the basis of the Pendragon's Banner Trilogy I'm reading by Helen Hollick.

[MGL:s Reconstructors]

My list:

1. Justin Bieber
2. Justin Bieber
3. Justin Bieber
4. Justin Bieber
5. Justin Bieber
6. Justin Bieber
7. Justin Bieber
8. Rest of the celebs

+1, good choice

[Russianlynxy]

If we were serious though, add Napoleon Bonaparte to the list..

[I can't think of a name]

Why? Napoleon never lost when the numbers where anywhere close to parity. It took a lot of nations and a cold winter to defeat him.

[Mein Teil]

I wonder how Areola Huffington didn't make the list herself?

[Sandgroper]

Lady Godiva #3... I'll take his word for it.
And he wanted to put an Australian on the list, so I give him Lewis Hubert Lasseter. He's over-rated because nobody's heard of him but he still has stuff named after him, he was full of sh!t, and he can fill in the numbers before Ronald Reagan, which is all the author wanted. Or Kevin Rudd.

[Robert.V]

Sure. Let's put William of Orange in his place.

Bloody foreigners, we win their wars for them, then they dump on us. :roll:

Let me guesse you learned your history from Sharpe ?

But for the heroic determination of the Prince of Orange,who, with a handful of men dared to stand firm at Quatre Bras. I would have taken the English army in flagrante delicto and would have conquered as (the Russians) at Friedland.

- Napoleon to de Montholon on St. Helen.


If you know you're history you would know Wellington and English writers played down the role of any troops except their own. If it wasn't for those "Bloody foreigners" you would have lost battle of waterloo. Not like that battle was really all that important to begin with.

And comparing Wellington to the likes of Nelson ? Oh, please. :roll:

[Skukuza]

Paris Hilton
Bear Grylls
Nelson Mandella
Robert Mugabe
Gordon Brown
Tony Blair
Barrak Obama
Hillary Clinton.................................

[Corrupt]

Let me guesse you learned your history from Sharpe ?

But for the heroic determination of the Prince of Orange,who, with a handful of men dared to stand firm at Quatre Bras. I would have taken the English army in flagrante delicto and would have conquered as (the Russians) at Friedland.

- Napoleon to de Montholon on St. Helen.

If you know you're history you would know Wellington and English writers played down the role of any troops except their own. If it wasn't for those "Bloody foreigners" you would have lost battle of waterloo. Not like that battle was really all that important to begin with.

And comparing Wellington to the likes of Nelson ? Oh, please. :roll:


In 1815, William became crown prince and he took service in the army when Napoleon I of France escaped from Elba. He fought as commander of 1st English Corps at the Battle of Quatre Bras (16 June 1815) and the Battle of Waterloo (18 June 1815), where he was wounded. He showed personal courage and energy, but frequently displayed atrocious military judgment, leading to many heavy casualties. The Duke of Wellington attributed this to his lack of command experience, however, rather than to his being a bad leader.

I didnt play down the efforts of any of our allies, be the German, Dutch, Spanish or Portugese. I know they were hugely important in winning the peninsular war. Neither did ex1cdo. He simply suggested we put William of Orange on the list (childishly) after you (childishly) suggested Wellington. Orange was undeniably brave, but apparantly not that brilliant due to a lack of experience. We may have lost at Waterloo without those "bloody foreigners" but if it wasnt for Britain then most likely, Spain, Portugal and Holland would all have been paying taxes to Napoleon and we would never have had Waterloo in the first place.

How is Wellington not like Nelson? Simply from the viewpoint that they were both excellent leaders and won a series of battles and thus the war at sea/on land.

[ex1cdo]

Let me guesse you learned your history from Sharpe ?

No, I've actually read some real history of the Peninsular Wars and Waterloo.

Christ, the next thing you're going to tell me is the French won....

[gilgoul]

#9, Barak Hussein Obama.

lol,

he should be #1 on a hierarchical list IMHO

[kamaz]

top 3

Barry Obama, the Palestinians, Mother Teresa.

[Stormz_STA]

top 3

Barry Obama, the Palestinians, Mother Teresa.

Racist.
Reported.
You should be ashamed of yourself.

[khalifah]

John Smith (the whole Jamestown thing...)
Douglas MacArthur (while he's more modern history, and therefore debatable, his claiming of victories others made as well as his own self promotion is why he was 'successful' stateside)
Kim Song Il(Well, in NK thinking for sure, and his son)
Lewis and Clark( there were numerous other land survaiors during and after them that had done the same work, most in the Army)
the Mayans (great tech and the sciences and all, but if they couldnt predict their own demise, how could they predict the fate of humanity?)
Nelson Mandella (as previously stated)
...............
thats all i can think of now.

[valtrex]

Foock, I did not know who she is, I just googled her name and it appears that this Arianna Huffington is Greek, born and raised here as Arianna Stassinopoulos...
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Spicerack1/blank_facepalm_224.gif
...guys Greeks are not like that, I assure you

[TheEvian100]

Foock, I did not know who she is, I just googled her name and it appears that this Arianna Huffington is Greek, born and raised here as Arianna Stassinopoulos...
...guys Greeks are not like that, I assure you

I saw her about 3 years ago in Bill Maher's show, her distinctive greek accent -in english- made me realise that too. We aint like that. :(

[I can't think of a name]

She was married to a Republican Businessman who made his (and her) money on oil. He decided he was Gay and dumped her. Then she became a big leftist.

[TheEvian100]

She was married to a Republican Businessman who made his (and her) money on oil. He decided he was Gay and dumped her. Then she became a big leftist.

Ok... that's just a huge blow for all sides of US politics, no exceptions LOL

[Vibroblade]

Anyone from Hollywood. Any TV or movie star or publicity slut. Anyone on a reality show or in a gossip rag because they want it. Pick 8. It doesn't really matter who. Does it?

[Victor1]

Clint Eastwood, was awesomele badass in movies, then I found out he's as liberal wimp. But, as a certain user here, he prefers to be described as libertarian.

[armored_diplomacy]

I don´t know the order, but the list should include:

- Dalai Lama
- Mother Teresa
- Che Guevara
- Fidel Castro
- Eva Perón (aka "Evita")

in doubt:
- Mrs. Thatcher

[LineDoggie]

Why Mother Teresa?

[LineDoggie]

Lewis and Clark( there were numerous other land survaiors during and after them that had done the same work, most in the Army)
Captain Meriwether Lewis and Lieutenant William Clark were in the Army. The Corps of Discovery was mostly Soldiers

NON-COMS
Sergeant Charles Floyd
Sergeant Patrick Gass
Sergeant John Ordway
Sergeant Nathaniel Pryor
Corporal Richard Warfington

Snuffies
Private John Boley
Private William Bratton
Private John Collins
Private John Colter
Private Pierre Cruzatte
Private John Dame
Private Joseph Field
Private Reubin Field (Brothers)
Private Robert Frazer
Private George Gibson
Private Silas Goodrich
Private Hugh Hall
Private Thomas Howard
Private François Labiche
Private John Baptiste Lepage
Private Hugh McNeal
Private John Newman
Private John Potts
Private Moses Reed
Private John Robertson
Private George Shannon
Private John Shields
Private John Thompson
Private Ebenezer Tuttle
Private Peter Weiser
Private William Werner
Private Isaac White
Private Joseph Whitehouse
Private Alexander Willard
Private Richard Windsor

Civvies
The Charbonneau Family
Interpreter George Drouillard
York
E. Cann
Charles Caugee
Joseph Collin
Jean Baptiste Deschamps
Charles Herbert
Jean Baptiste La Jeunesse
Joseph Barter , Pvt.(Deserted)
Etienne Malboeuf
Peter Pinaut
Paul Primeau
François Rivet
Peter Roi

[Russianlynxy]

Historical, albeit random

1. Charles XII of Sweden
2. Napoleon III
3. William Cromwell
4. Che Guevara
5. Saddam Hussein
6. Eli Whitney (cotton gin)
7. Sir Francis Drake

[Cpl Kat]

You mean Mantiba!! Saw it in Invictus :)

It's Madiba actually, but yes, Mandela should definitely be on the list .... near the top.

[Mackie]

Add Alan Greenspan to that list.

[Arnie100]

Arnold Schwarzenegger, Joe Biden, Yasser Arafat, Hugo Chavez...

[Kilgor]

Kurt Cobain.

Ok, threads done.

[Sandgroper]

Michael Jackson.

[LuKaZz]

The author appears to have been infected with a serious case of dumb****.

Nah he's just a writer for Huffington, he can't help it. I met one of their "journalists" in Beirut, probably one of the dumbest individuals I ever had the misfortune of meeting.