Barnes Varmint Grenade

[The Dane]

Pretty cool.. :p poor ground squirrels :lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=sYigC49tnh8&feature=related

[FlintHillBilly]

You mean poor ground hogs. I have always wanted to go out West and shoot some ground hogs. Looks soo much fun.

[The Dane]

Oh.. ground hogs then.. we don't have either here in Denmark :)

[kutter]

Does laughing at seeing those prairie dogs getting vapourized make you a bad person :lol:

[FlintHillBilly]

Oh.. ground hogs then.. we don't have either here in Denmark :)

I ment Prairie dog. Ground hog is completely different...lol

[The Dane]

Does laughing at seeing those prairie dogs getting vapourized make you a bad person :lol:

Don't know.. but i'm guilty as well! :)

[Snapdad]

at least they didnt suffer, lol.

[Snapdad]

Oh.. ground hogs then.. we don't have either here in Denmark :)

No squirrels, ground hogs or prairie dogs (prairie dogs I can see though)? Huh, that's different.

[Migs]

We got ground hogs here, got one living under our house right now. One of these days.... *shakes fist*

[The Dane]

No squirrels, ground hogs or prairie dogs (prairie dogs I can see though)? Huh, that's different.

We got squirrels living in trees :-) but that's it.

[Snapdad]

We got squirrels living in trees :-) but that's it.

I see. Ground hogs cause damage anyway so you probably dont want them.

[JCR]

Dis jus dem raat ammonition to dew aways wit dem grawnd hawgs.

[Hollis]

A mystifying experience.

[Enduring Freedom]

Beautiful!

[MN_Air]

I'm buying these for my .22! How awesome.

[3rdMillhouse]

Does laughing at seeing those prairie dogs getting vapourized make you a bad person :lol:

Ifso, we're going to hell togheter. Cause I've laughed my ass off.

[armored_diplomacy]

:-|..........

[LineDoggie]

Dis jus dem raat ammonition to dew aways wit dem grawnd hawgs.
US Ground Hog> German Boar/thread

[stuntman]

I thought maybe they weren't real but, on second review, they totally destroyed those poor bastards.

I also thought it was hilarious.

[Clear_blues]

coyote+those rounds=less of a headache

[Sir Zach of R.]

Either I've lost my touch at the computer or something's wrong with the link, I can't view the video. :-(

[The Dane]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYigC49tnh8

[NeoConPatriot]

I had a chance to use these in .223 out in west texas. It truly does blow the ground squril open, slinging entrails everywhere. Head shots will pop the head right off. Does anyone know exactly how these work. Our best guess, after using them, was that the hollow cavity allows masive pressure build up when the round strikes, blowing the bullet into pieces. A friend also brought "explosive" shotgun slugs that were just hollow 12ga slugs with very thin walls. These seemed to work the same way.

[James]

I'm curious about how these would work on mammals 150 lbs +.

[Lasse]

Oh god this was hilarious. It was like watching a videogame with ****ed physics.

[FunYun]

I'm curious about how these would work on mammals 150 lbs +.


Not very well.

Varmit bullets are light and have thin walls which allow them to fragment easily. Works great when your just shooting little animals and don't want a round going through them and ricocheting, but you will not get the penetration you need for larger animals.

[trunk_munkey28]

Not very well.

Varmit bullets are light and have thin walls which allow them to fragment easily. Works great when your just shooting little animals and don't want a round going through them and ricocheting, but you will not get the penetration you need for larger animals.
Kinda missed James' point there. I beleive he's talking about mammals that move about on two legs and have the capability of returning fire. For opponents not wearing body armour you're looking for massive fragmentation inside the body, creating lots of small individual wound channels, rather than one largeish one.
I'd be curious too.

[Bacon]

IRC FBI recommends a minimum of 12" of penetration in ballistics gelatin to be able to reach the vital organs of a human. I dont think those Barnes varmint grenades will penetrate that far.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Nosler offered a similar bullet around 25 years ago called the Expander, it offered very similar results but only in .224 calibre. They dropped it from their line in the early 1980s. I had spectacular results on vermin and foxes with it.

[brainplay]

Kinda missed James' point there. I beleive he's talking about mammals that move about on two legs and have the capability of returning fire. For opponents not wearing body armour you're looking for massive fragmentation inside the body, creating lots of small individual wound channels, rather than one largeish one.
I'd be curious too.

Light rounds were experimented on years back. Same problem. Gel tests deemed fragmentation way before reaching vital organs. Fragments themselves were unreliable at reaching vitals if passing through large amount of muscle or fat.

Here's a pdf with various grains tested. Notice the 40gr rounds disintegrate within 4 inches. Note that gel is a test medium. Rounds may fragment more violently through muscle than organ tissue. Gel is just a uniform media hence why there are penetration requirements.

http://le.atk.com/pdf/223RifleDataBook.pdf

[kramer]

Do want for my .22. Crowpopulation etc... mhh pulverisation.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Great for small vermin up to fox/coyote/jackal size - forget it for anything larger. Crows/Magpies literally vapourise, foxes are devastated, but on larger quarry the buller fragments on the surface leaving a horrific but not immediately fatal wound.

I was with a friend when he accidentally used a Nosler Expander in his .223 on a Roe deer. There was a horrific superficial wound which would have killed the buck eventually, but not quickly. Luckily his error was quickly corrected with a 150gr.Ballistic tip from my .308 Sauer.

[James]

I was with a friend when he accidentally used a Nosler Expander in his .223 on a Roe deer. There was a horrific superficial wound which would have killed the buck eventually, but not quickly. Luckily his error was quickly corrected with a 150gr.Ballistic tip from my .308 Sauer.

That's kind of what I was expecting to hear - nasty flesh and surface wound that doesn't really incapacitate the animal for some time.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Exactly - the deer in question stayed on it's feet and would have died a horrible death slowly. I neck-shot it with my .308 and thus we were able to carry out a PM. The bullet had exploded on the surface leaving a horrible wound but not damaging any major blood vessels in the process.

[James]

It's good you were able to take care of the deer. Having a wounded animal run off is bad business.