Desert Camo in Woodland Enviroment

[Mr Fischer]

On some pictures, you see soldiers wearing - for example - 3col Desert oder Desert DPM in the woods. Sometimes Snipers wearing desert camo under the ghillie.

Why is that? Does it make sence?

[Corrupt]

Well I know when playing enemy/opfor we often wear Desert DPM so we have a recognisable but different uniform to the Bluefor

[Ohtar1985]

Sometimes it would be useful to wear woodland top with desert pants because color of vegetation varies between levels on some parts of the year(dried grass is kinda yellowish).

[deagle]

they enemy is expecting and looking for suspicious jungle camo

if you wear desert camo, they won't be looking for you

lol

[Trouble]

Yes at times it can make sense. If not it would not be done...... unless you take the POV that no Government operation makes sense which in that case no it does not makes sense, except that if that were true we all would wear desert pattern in the jungle..... ;-)

[KillerBD]

The enemy has a tendency to look for soldiers wearing camouflage... That's why I propose we dress up like clowns instead ;)

[Bro Jangles]

With ACU it doesnt matter anyways....

[Zarak]

I can see how desert camos would be as useful as woodland camos in many places here in Colorado. Even in heavily wooded areas there are a lot of open fields with yellowish grass.

[dangerdan87]

We used desert digi camies for our ghillie suits because they are a lighter color. You can always make a lighter color darker, but you cannot always make a dark color lighter.
Plus, the darker uniform can outline a sniper.

[SineJustitia]

If you're in an environment were part of the landscape is desert, and part is the green banks of a river (where most of the people live) it makes sense to choose either desert or woodland, or you'll be changing kit several times during a patroll... which is simply a nuisance.

Dutchies in Uruzgan:

Army in desert in the woods:

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/9300/desertinwoodland.jpg (http://img709.imageshack.us/i/desertinwoodland.jpg/)

Marines in woodlands in a desert town:

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/7053/105656.jpg (http://img535.imageshack.us/i/105656.jpg/)
(and yes, they're Dutch so they ride bikes).

BTW: They're is no strict distinction of Dutch marines wearing woodland and Dutch army wearing desert. But in general, in comined OPS with the ANA, woodlands is preferred, because that's what's the ANA is wearing.

[Mr Fischer]

Nice Pics!

Got more Pics from desert camos in Woodland?

[Special-K]

I have heard that the older 6-color 'Chocolate Chip' desert pattern works fairly well in woodland type environments. From what I have seen in my area this is true, depending on the time of year, but I haven't really tested the theory all that much.




-K

[SineJustitia]

Got more Pics from desert camos in Woodland?

Tons :D

But I'll restrain my self to these two:

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/2937/chora.jpg (http://img826.imageshack.us/i/chora.jpg/)

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/6012/poppiesy.jpg (http://img28.imageshack.us/i/poppiesy.jpg/)
(yes. those pretty flowers to the right are what you think they are ;) )

[Mr Fischer]

Nice! Thanks.

[Mr Fischer]

When I started this Thread, I was thinking of this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCOZBr7pSAQ

[Mr Fischer]

And this mixture of camos by british soldiers.

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[Hyde]

Look at your last picture and then look at the ground. No grass. As in most woods, there is only earth/dirt but no grass, so it makes sense to use a brownish uniform when you're not hiding in bushes or green fields, but in the forrest or in yellow dry summer fields.

[Mr Fischer]

Mmh... okay.

But I think its more relative for, when your in constant moving!?!?

[Mr Fischer]

Is this combination in this Thread meant as a "Standard-Combination"?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?190210-REGOC-concept-WTF

[Catch22]

Ah, now I get what you've meant. Desert camouflage BDU is considered a better base for a ghillie suit adaptation since its easier to eventually darken it with paints and background matching burlap. With dark BDU based ghillie it's much much harder to lighten the colours and decrease the unwanted contrast. Mind that in most cases (except maybe for tropical green vegetation) you'd find yourself lying among dead leaves, dry grass and branches and generally light-coloured background.

[Mr Fischer]

Thanks for your answer. Is it also good and usefull without a ghillie?

[Catch22]

Nope, but that's one of the reasons why Multicam suceeded - its a light coloured camouflage, that can be almost considered desert yet it retains it's versatility replacing both classic woodland and desert camouflages in certain theaters.

[Mr Fischer]

So I´ve to be a Multicam-Freak to be true ;-)
I like the combination nevertheless ;-)

Thank you very much for your answers!!!

[Mr Fischer]

Desert Camo seems to be effective in Woodland...


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[Cpt.Comatose]

cuuuuute!:grin:

But a uniform made of fawn fur might be a little bit too warm

[Mr Fischer]

And cruel... ;-)

Stay with 100& cotton 3 col desert and feed the little...

[marko16]

I'm in a perfect woodland area, until fall winter and half of spring. So we go from green to light tan and brown in a hurry, just like the forest floor with that little venison stick pictured above. All the wheat and corn fields turn light tan as well, but the evergreens stay green, so it would be tought to camo around here.

[CDALY05]

I use both patterns simultaneously when playing paintball. It seems to work better than all of one pattern.

[Papah]

Interesting topic to discuss, as probably this idea came directly from the field experience of soldiers when having to manage with the items they have at their disposal. I think that the most important point of this combination woodland jacket + desert trousers is to make silouette identification not so easy: the eye looks for humanoid shapes in the environment being analized.

Using complete camo pattern, you can fade yourself with the environment in the shadows but the regular daylight probably reveals your shape clearly, as it reflects differently in your uniform and in the environment your are in.

Using combo techniques is no diferent to light issues, BUT the eye will maybe recognize the trousers part or the jacket part (depending on the environment you are in at the moment), making a lot more difficult to our subconscious to operate atomatically and spot it at first. It would require to send and work the info at the brain, when complete camo is a matter of daily trained impuse. That diference can mean a critical second in the moment of truth.

[Bisley_Bob]

When I started this Thread, I was thinking of this.



The leaves he's crawling through are light brown so a desert uniform is closer to what he needs.


And this mixture of camos by british soldiers.



I can make a good guess as to why they are wearing mixed uniforms. This was in 2001 when the Royal Marines first arrived in Afghanistan. Back then we probably didn't have many Desert DPM smocks and any we did have would have been Gulf War 1 vintage and thus pretty crap. Instead they've opted for their lightweight arctic smocks which are bloody good in hot weather.

[flanker7]

Mixed cammo works well in some enviroments like, for excample, there are trees but the ground is relativelly dry and without low vegetation, like here in Cyprus, so, if you are walking among trees you need your upper body to be green and your lower to be brown :-)

Also, same thing in snow which doesn't completelly covers the vegetation but completelly covers the ground

[2/1kiwi]

I wore a DPM smock when i was in Afghan for no other reason than our DDPM smock was arse lol