Question about .22LR AR15 type rifles (newbie, suggestions)

[Super Sheep]

I finally decided to ditch my airsoft (that I don't think I played a real game even ONCE) for the real thing. My friend gots me hooked on shooting real steel. Las Vegas, NV has alot of areas in the desert to go to shoot and we went to one that I can confidently say is covered in acres of spent brass and shells.

Anyways I got to shoot a Beretta Cougar 9x19mm and a Glock 22 9x19mm. I noticed the compact glock had mildly more kick due to the shorter barrel. I have small hands and thin ass wrist so it actually hurt a little.

I lurk these forums alot and for a long long time.... and the years of reading all points to starter firearms best be a .22LRs. I will heed to that advice. Also that as .22 is also dirt cheap. And I just want to sit out in the desert in a lawn chair and practice my marksmenship. Handguns are temporary out of the picture as I am a few months off from the magic 21, and a handgun would be a defensive weapon, not something to pewpew 4 fun.

I checked out the S&W MP15-22 AR-15 style at a local gun store for around 450bucks. After seeing that I kinda of threw of out the idea of the .22 AK47 style or the .22 GSG-5 they also had. The MP15-22 is on sale for the new few days but before I go out and drop the cash on silly boy toy, I got a few questions.

First, I know you can swap AR15 upper receivers, barrel, magwell, etc etc and convert them into both 9mm or .22, is the MP15-22 one of those kind? If so, does that mean once I'm gain some experience, I can potential swap the upper, barrel, etc etc with 9mm or even 5.56Nato (.223?). Of course I'm only going to do that once.. I am comfortable enough with firearms and I build more wrist muscle so I don't end up snapping or spraining something.

Second, is there any other rifles like the MP15-22 that you can buy already fully built and ready to shoot like the MP15-22. I like the package deal thing as I am a student, not a gun smith. As much as I would love to be cranking out AK and AR builds, its just term papers for now.

Lastly, any good deals out there for the above suggested? Cheaper is usually better in my book.

Thanks for your time,

Sheep,

your long time lurker..


PS: 2 side questions. Are the rounds for say a K98 (whatever nationality) or a Mosin-Naget hard to find? What about a SKS? And what is the average cost? How is the recoil? I don't want to shoot 15yards and fly 20 back.

[Bro Jangles]

the pure .22 rifles are that, just .22LR, now you can make a AR15 a .22LR by puting in a adaptor like a CMMG adaptor, im looking at getting one personally.

i really dont like the cost o the .22 AR patern rifles, i say just get a 10/22.

you can get a real AR for 800ish, then get one o these.

http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/item/CMMG-.22-Conversion-Kit-with-Magazine-1343

[Super Sheep]

Any brands similar to a S&W MP15-22 AR-15 style?

[Bro Jangles]

Any brands similar to a S&W MP15-22 AR-15 style?
in .22LR? yes;
-Colt .22
-Sig 522(?)

in 5.56?

check out the M&P 15 Optic ready. good base gun on the cheap.

[Chiptox]

PS: 2 side questions. Are the rounds for say a K98 (whatever nationality) or a Mosin-Naget hard to find? What about a SKS? And what is the average cost? How is the recoil? I don't want to shoot 15yards and fly 20 back.
The rifle caliber stuff has decent recoil, but you're firing it from a rifle from the shoulder (unlike the dufus in my avatar) so recoil shouldn't be a problem. The calibers you mentioned are all cheap and plentiful, though not as cheap as 22lr.

http://www.ammoman.com/


i really dont like the cost o the .22 AR patern rifles, i say just get a 10/22.
For real. Don't go wasting money on an over-priced first gun. Buy a nice cheap 22 and have some fun. If you like it a lot and most importantly shoot often enough to justify spending the money, buy something bigger and better.

[Super Sheep]

Oh trust me I lurk the "Show me your firearms collection" thread alot and I am so envious of some of the rifles and handguns, but I'm being honest and sincere than to fool myself that I am ready n competent for full size assault-rifle rounds.

Call me a commie but the only decent AR shooting experience was with PLA issued Type 56s and Type 81s. Even from a supported position, the recoil was unpleasant. I don't know what a 5.56 or a .233 feels like but I doubt I would like it until I build up a little more muscle.

Besides .22 is the main selling point is cheap which means I can shoot alot, and a AR15 style rifle, I can get familiar with the American layout. A AR15 has alot more buttons, levers and things to push n pull than a AK, which I like alot.

I'm already set on a .22LR caliber, pretty sure I want a AR15 styled one....eyeing the S&W MP15-22 in .22LR. I am not looking to buy a full AR15 and convert it into a .223/5.56. I like the "ready to shoot" package of MP15-22. I'm just wondering if there is any other packages like the MP15-22. I'm pretty sure I'm going to get that but I'm just trying to enlarge my options.

[Bro Jangles]

Oh trust me I lurk the "Show me your firearms collection" thread alot and I am so envious of some of the rifles and handguns, but I'm being honest and sincere than to fool myself that I am ready n competent for full size assault-rifle rounds.

Call me a commie but the only decent AR shooting experience was with PLA issued Type 56s and Type 81s. Even from a supported position, the recoil was unpleasant. I don't know what a 5.56 or a .233 feels like but I doubt I would like it until I build up a little more muscle. 5.56 has less felt recoil than a 7.62x39. Recoil never bothered me but it is noticibly less than a AK. .22LR is non existent


Besides .22 is the main selling point is cheap which means I can shoot alot, and a AR15 style rifle, I can get familiar with the American layout. A AR15 has alot more buttons, levers and things to push n pull than a AK, which I like alot. AK actually has more stuff stuf to fool with than an ar. AR is just trigger, safety, mag realease, and push pins to split it.

I'm already set on a .22LR caliber, pretty sure I want a AR15 styled one....eyeing the S&W MP15-22 in .22LR. I am not looking to buy a full AR15 and convert it into a .223/5.56. I like the "ready to shoot" package of MP15-22. I'm just wondering if there is any other packages like the MP15-22. I'm pretty sure I'm going to get that but I'm just trying to enlarge my options. check out the mossberg, remmington 22LR, like the VTR.

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/rimfire/model-597/model-597-vtr.aspx
http://www.colt22rimfire.com/index.php?page=colt-m4-carbine
http://www.sigsauer.com/products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=66&productid=249
http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/item/.22-Evolution-Quebec-A-Rifle-w-Low-Profile-FSB-1503

[Mr11b]

Do not buy the Smith and Wesson M&P! Go with the SIG or a Umarex colt or hk. The smith and wesson has horrible reliability issues with their extractors getting blown out. Happened to me with my friends rifle. He had it fixed by smith and wesson and happened to him after that. Check their own forums and there is tons of complaints about that rifle. I have a SIG 522 and have 0 issues with over 3K rounds through it. I'm not being bias, the M&P is known to have issues, as well as smith and wessons horrible customer service in dealing with them. Either way best of luck, you have plenty of options. If you want the AR platform definitely look into Umarex they contract for colt and hk.

http://www.colt22rimfire.com/

http://www.hk22rimfire.com/index.php?page=416-d145rs

Good luck!

[Super Sheep]

Actually the SIG552 looks real nice. I need to find a gunstore in the Las Vegas Area. How much was your SIG552?


My budget is 400, can go up to 600 if its really worth it. But thanks to this forum, I guess I'm not gonna take the risk of my first .22 blowing shrapnel in my face and not get the S&M MP15-22.

All my more firearms knowledgable friends tell me to go to Discount Firearms, which I will be hitting up in the morning.

The Sig 552 and HK22 caught my eye... but how much is it?


AK actually has more stuff stuf to fool with than an ar. AR is just trigger, safety, mag realease, and push pins to split it.
Oh really? All I was instructed with the Type56 and 81s was, rock in magazine, unsafetly, semi/auto, pull back the bolt. Squeeze trigger. Disasemmbly was take off top cover, pull back bolt and get it off the spring.

AR has bolt catch, forward assist, interestingly designed charging handle. Not to mention, disassemblely videos on youtube looks almost fun as building legos.

[Bro Jangles]

ind a Sig dealer, and they can order it or you. dont relay on prices on the selfs

[Super Sheep]

Yeah I guess I'll just have to go to a few shops and look around. Hopefully something will catch my eye and be within budget. Better to save a few bucks and buy a few millions rounds of .22LR then have a fancy grip or something shiny.

Well, I'll see tommorrow what I discover, thanks for the help and the warning on the S&Ms. Big 5 sporting always sold ****ty airsoft items.. not a surprise to be selling ****ty firearms either. The guy manning the counter didn't know anything about the stuff he was selling. Could have sweared he said .22LR stands for "large round".. lol.

Pics coming soon. :) back to lurking.

[Death.]

A 10/22 is going to out perform a .22LR AR every time. 8mm Mauser is easy to find and something like $100 for 340 rounds. The nagant's 7.62x54r is also very easy to find, and about $80 for 440 rounds. 7.62x39 is retarded easy to find and you can buy a pack of 1,000 rounds for $200. Recoil is manageable on all of them, a bit rougher with the Nagants since they are lighter.


www.aimsurplus.com
www.budsgunshop.com
www.jgsales.com
www.midwayusa.com

How old are you/how much do you weigh? You've gotta be a real small frame person to be uncomfortable with the recoil from an SKS.

[Chulo]

First, I know you can swap AR15 upper receivers, barrel, magwell, etc etc and convert them into both 9mm or .22, is the MP15-22 one of those kind? If so, does that mean once I'm gain some experience, I can potential swap the upper, barrel, etc etc with 9mm or even 5.56Nato (.223?). Of course I'm only going to do that once.. I am comfortable enough with firearms and I build more wrist muscle so I don't end up snapping or spraining something.


your long time lurker..


PS: 2 side questions. Are the rounds for say a K98 (whatever nationality) or a Mosin-Naget hard to find? What about a SKS? And what is the average cost? How is the recoil? I don't want to shoot 15yards and fly 20 back.
1) You can NOT change out the .22 into a 5.56 - S&W designed the M&P15-22 that way
2) Mosins and SKS are starting to be hard to find, 3 years ago you could get one for about $150 now its no less than $300, the SKS and Mosin shoots the 7.62 - so the ammo is not that hard to find, but not as cheap as the .22

Have you considered a Remington 597 VTR http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/rimfire/model-597/model-597-vtr.aspx

The wife firing our new 597 VTR

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?31887-Lets-see-the-firearm-collection...../page1858


However I can not recommend the 10/22 enough, it is a great .22 right out of the box.

[Clear_blues]

I recomend a Remington 597, feels more like a "big game" rifle then the 10/22 does. Mine was $160 for a brand new model. Either then 597 or the 10/22 are good bets, it just depends on how much stuff you want to slap on.

[Death.]

May I introduce to you the 10/22 Tacticool
http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt103/kevinv6/1230.jpg


http://www.ruger.com/products/1022Tactical/models.html

[marko16]

I have the Sig 522, very accurate and fun. Cheap ammo is guilt free range time.

[Clear_blues]

May I introduce to you the 10/22 Tacticool
http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt103/kevinv6/1230.jpg


http://www.ruger.com/products/1022Tactical/models.html
sorry, a little bit of vomit just came up

[Death.]

sorry, a little bit of vomit just came up

You srs? Certainly looks more refined and definitely more accurate than any .22lr AR-lite.

[Chiptox]

You srs? Certainly looks more refined and definitely more accurate than any .22lr AR-lite.
very true. accuracy will probably be dependent on ammo with something like that.

mount a cheapo 4x power scope on it and you have a pretty damn good varmit gun.


i'd also suggest looking at marlin 795s.

[mick86w]

I ran a .22lr stainless steel CMMG conversion in my 1/9 16" AR

Its a lot of plinking fun. The only problem is the 1/9 twist ratio of the barrel is not optimal for the commonly available 38 grain .22lr rounds. I believe 1/16 is the standard for those projectile weights.

However there is the option to use the 60 grain Aguila subsonic munition which is suited for that particular twist rate.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/lgprod/AMM-057.jpg

Cheaperthandirt sells these at $38.59 for 500 rounds.

[Solomin]

May I introduce to you the 10/22 Tacticool
http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt103/kevinv6/1230.jpg


http://www.ruger.com/products/1022Tactical/models.html

Hmmm, I bought a very similar Ruger model about 2-3 years ago, sans the bipod, and it wasn't called tactical anything.

1.) I have no idea why they are saying the MSRP is $555 when I bought mine for around 250.
2.) What's really nice about this Ruger is it comes with a "Heavy Forged Barrel", which is suppose to give you match grade accuracy. Not sure if it's true as your only shooting a .22LR anyways, but probably not worth $555. For the price I paid it was a moot point. However, it's rather obnoxious to hunt with as it's very, very front heavy.

[HK in AK]

If it is just a plinker, buy a 10/22...........they cost about $220 new in the box. Plus mags are pretty cheap at about $25.00..........Unless you have a full auto lower for an M16, it is better to save the extra money and buy extra .22 ammo. Just some thoughts!

[HK in AK]

Hmmm, I bought a very similar Ruger model about 2-3 years ago, sans the bipod, and it wasn't called tactical anything.

1.) I have no idea why they are saying the MSRP is $555 when I bought mine for around 250.
2.) What's really nice about this Ruger is it comes with a "Heavy Forged Barrel", which is suppose to give you match grade accuracy. Not sure if it's true as your only shooting a .22LR anyways, but probably not worth $555. For the price I paid it was a moot point. However, it's rather obnoxious to hunt with as it's very, very front heavy.

That is probably and intergrated suppressed 10/22. The barrel looks like the suppressor is sleeved inside.

[Clear_blues]

If it is just a plinker, buy a 10/22...........they cost about $220 new in the box. Plus mags are pretty cheap at about $25.00..........Unless you have a full auto lower for an M16, it is better to save the extra money and buy extra .22 ammo. Just some thoughts!
A regular R597 set me back $160 for the rifle with iron sights. Gander MT sells one with no iron sights and a x4 scope for about $240. The 10 round magazines range from $14-20, the 20 being of course Gander MT. The 30 round mags are anywhere from $16-25, again the 25 doller one being Gander Mt.
In no way, shape or form am I telling you that you must buy one or the other, Mr.OP, I'm simply giving you a cost estimate. As for a conversion kit to make it look like an AR, I've seen some on Ebay going for $180.

[Death.]

Hmmm, I bought a very similar Ruger model about 2-3 years ago, sans the bipod, and it wasn't called tactical anything.

1.) I have no idea why they are saying the MSRP is $555 when I bought mine for around 250.
2.) What's really nice about this Ruger is it comes with a "Heavy Forged Barrel", which is suppose to give you match grade accuracy. Not sure if it's true as your only shooting a .22LR anyways, but probably not worth $555. For the price I paid it was a moot point. However, it's rather obnoxious to hunt with as it's very, very front heavy.


I'm sure you have a different model, that rifle is definitely worth the $500 price tag (it's cheaper at other vendors compared to Ruger). Hogue overmolded stocks are $70, that barrel most closely resembles the Tactical solutions 16" barrel which is around $180, probably $60-70 for a Harris style bipod, $14 extended magazine release and a $10 rail mount. Then add on the $200 price of a base 10/22. Not a bad deal.

[Migs]

Remington makes a AR-ish looking model of the 597.
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/2263/597vtrquadrail80901prod.jpg (http://img685.imageshack.us/i/597vtrquadrail80901prod.jpg/)
I've been shooting for about 4 years now, still love shooting those .22's.
*plink plink plink plink!*