'New ways to harm our country and our people'

[Secret Squirrel]

Bush misspeaks during signing ceremony
'New ways to harm our country and our people'

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush offered up a new entry for his catalog of "Bushisms" on Thursday, declaring that his administration will "never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people."

Bush misspoke as he delivered a speech at the signing ceremony for a $417 billion defense spending bill.

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we," Bush said.

"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

No one in Bush's audience of military brass or Pentagon chiefs reacted.

[American Patriot]

Flame bait

[Sayeret]

That is flame bait but if it really happened like Secret Squirrel said than thats pretty embarrassing but a lot of politicians make mistakes, so I wouldn't make a big deal out of Bush making one.

Btw Secret Squirrel if you going to post this, post it under Off Topic because this is militaryphotos.net
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[Trigger]

Bush misspeaks during signing ceremony
'New ways to harm our country and our people'

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush offered up a new entry for his catalog of "Bushisms" on Thursday, declaring that his administration will "never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people."

Bush misspoke as he delivered a speech at the signing ceremony for a $417 billion defense spending bill.

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we," Bush said.

"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we".

No one in Bush's audience of military brass or Pentagon chiefs reacted.
Our enemies = They
He was obviously referring to our people planning for contingencies and evaluating our own weaknesses.

[achilles]

"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

Perhaps we should aknowledge the possibility that he had a severe honesty crisis, which is good... :P

Now seriously speaking...Bush has been accussed of not being eloquent or sharp or you name it. Although i dont like him personally, neither his political choices i am sure about one thing: he is much more clever and potent than he seems to be...

PS: i dont think this thread is taking us anywhere ;)

[Romulus]

Who cares? I F'd up alot of my public speeches too. Bush is a human like the rest of us.

[He219]

There goes the Tabloid Editor again ...
;)

[Secret Squirrel]

There goes the Tabloid Editor again ...
;)

;) Should I dig up the video footage?

[Moledet]

They just laughed about it in the radio :lol:
They said that after the elections Mcdonalds promised him to be a manager of a Mcdonlads restaurant, if he promises to stay away from the micropohon.

[Tane Angle]

Poor guy. :| :lol:

[2Sheds_Jackson]

I find it rather hard to belive that Bush would say something that dumb, when there's ample evidence to the contrary;


BATAVIA, IL--President Bush met with members of the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory research team Monday to discuss a mathematical error he recently discovered in the famed laboratory's "Improved Determination Of Tau Lepton Paths From Inclusive Semileptonic B-Meson Decays" report.

http://www.lns.cornell.edu/~neubert/bush_finds_error.jpg
Above: Bush shows Fermilab scientists where they went wrong in their calculations.

"I'm somewhat out of my depth here," said Bush, a longtime Fermilab follower who describes himself as "something of an armchair physicist." "But it seems to me that, when reducing the perturbative uncertainty in the determination of Vub from semileptonic Beta decays, one must calculate the rate of Beta events with a standard dilepton invariant mass at a subleading order in the hybrid expansion. The Fermilab folks' error, as I see it, was omitting that easily overlooked mathematical transformation and, therefore, acquiring incorrectly re-summed logarithmic corrections for the b-quark mass. Obviously, such a miscalculation will result in a precision of less than 25 percent in predicting the resulting path of the tau lepton once the value for any given decaying tau neutrino is determined."

The Bush correction makes it possible for scientists to further study the tau lepton, a subatomic particle formed by the collision of a tau neutrino and an atomic nucleus.

Bush resisted criticizing the Fermilab scientists responsible for the error, saying it was "actually quite small" and that "anyone could have made the mistake."

"High-energy physics is a complex and demanding field, and even top scientists drop a decimal point or two every now and then," Bush said. "Also, I might hasten to add that what I pointed out was more a correction of method than of mathematics. Experimental results on the Tevatron accelerator would have exposed the error in time, anyway."

Fermilab director Michael Witherell said the president was being too modest "by an order of magnitude."

http://www.lns.cornell.edu/~neubert/bush_finds_error_jump.jpg
Above: Bush circles the crucial misstep.

"In addition to gently reminding us that even the best minds in the country are occasionally fallible, President Bush has saved his nation a few million dollars," Witherell said. "We would have made four or five runs on the particle accelerator with faulty data before figuring out what was wrong. But, thanks to Mr. Bush, we're back on track."

"It's true, I dabbled in the higher maths during my Yale days," said Bush, who spent three semesters as an assistant to Drs. Kahsa and Slaughter at Yale's renowned Sloane High-Energy Physics Lab. "But I didn't have the true gift for what Gauss called 'the musical language in which is spoken the very universe.' If I have any gift at all, it's my instinct for process and order."

Continued Bush: "As much as I enjoyed studying physics at Yale, by my junior year it became apparent that I could far better serve humanity through a career in statecraft."

While he says he is "flattered and honored" by the tau-neutrino research team's request that he review all subsequent Fermilab publications on lepton-path determination, Bush graciously declined the "signal honor."

"This sort of thing is best left to the likes of [Thomas] Becher and [Matthias] Neubert, not a dilettante such as myself," Bush said. "I just happened to have some time on the plane coming back from the European G8 summit, decided to catch up on some reading, and spotted one rather small logarithmic branching-ratio misstep in an otherwise flawless piece of scientific scholarship. Anyone could have done the same."

[5jumpchump]

That is flame bait but if it really happened like Secret Squirrel said than thats pretty embarrassing but a lot of politicians make mistakes, so I wouldn't make a big deal out of Bush making one.

Btw Secret Squirrel if you going to post this, post it under Off Topic because this is militaryphotos.net
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IF it happened ? Are you kidding me ? Although i like his "gloves are off" policy and after ten years of not responding to terroism we finally have a president that is willing to take risk and control of defending out country he is also the worst speaking president we will ever , ever have .

[budanski]

LOST FUMBLER
Spectator (http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=6920)

If John Kerry loses Michigan, he will probably blame it on his joke writers, then Woody Hayes and the mighty Ohio State Buckeyes. But he only has himself to blame. He should have used that several-decade gap between his job in Vietnam and his job of running for president boning up on his knowledge of sports. The Prowler has documented several examples thus far, and over weekend Kerry really goofed up.

To get his Ohio rallies up and rolling, Kerry used a set of jokes to open his events. In Bowling Green, his shtick went something like this:

"If you elect me and my running mate, John Edwards, we are going to give you the courageous leadership you need. We'll take the tough positions, the courageous positions, the tough stands. But there's one tough position I will not take: I am not going to choose between the Falcons and the Rockets" -- this is a local reference to the well-known rivalry between Bowling Green University and the University of Toledo.

"I will say this," he added. "There is nothing better than Buckeye football, period!"

Kerry used this set piece several times in Ohio, to great effect, never mind the waffling with the generality of "Buckeye" football. Was he talking Ohio State University specifically? Or just football in the state in general? Only Kerry knows.

But then Kerry dug a huge hole for himself. On Sunday and into Monday, Kerry hit Michigan, where he attempted to use the same Ohio jokes. Clearly, the sports humor has to be taken out of his hands before he really embarrasses himself.

"I just came here from Bowling Green," Kerry told the crowd to subdued applause. "I was smart enough not to pick a choice between the Falcons and the, well, you know, all those other teams out there. I just go for Buckeye football, that's where I'm coming from."

At that point, before all the boos began raining down upon him, Kerry seemed to realize his error. In an attempt to silent the angry crowd of University of Michigan supporters, Kerry said, "But that was while I was in Ohio. I know I'm in the state of Michigan and you got a great big M and a powerhouse of a team." Then his face, presumably, the Botox permitting, turned Big Blue.

[Tane Angle]

rofl Thanks budanski, that was great! As soon as I read the word Michigan, I figured what he'd said. rofl

[achilles]

Just watched the swiftvets video about Kerry and his service in Vietnam.
Without knowing practically anything about the subject, i still have some questions regarding the credibility of that video.
1) Is it not equally easy to find people who were there and can claim on camera that Kerry is honest and deserved every single one of his medals?
2) Is it credible to ask veterans about the subject, given that Kerry deadly opposed the war after he came back? I believe that for most veterans, and people around here can easily confirm or refute that, Kerry cannot represent anything that they stood for...hence their claims on Kerry's dishonesty.

I am not suggesting that Kerry is right or wrong...all i am trying to say is that its easy for both sides to film a small clip and present the whole story in the most convenient way. Maybe such videos are not the most appropriate to draw any conclusions from

[Roger Rabbit]

"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

This will be taken out of context and its something that will be embaressing i think because of the way those who dislike Bush will use it.

[He219]

Just watched the swiftvets video about Kerry and his service in Vietnam.
Without knowing practically anything about the subject, i still have some questions regarding the credibility of that video.
1) Is it not equally easy to find people who were there and can claim on camera that Kerry is honest and deserved every single one of his medals?
2) Is it credible to ask veterans about the subject, given that Kerry deadly opposed the war after he came back? I believe that for most veterans, and people around here can easily confirm or refute that, Kerry cannot represent anything that they stood for...hence their claims on Kerry's dishonesty.

I am not suggesting that Kerry is right or wrong...all i am trying to say is that its easy for both sides to film a small clip and present the whole story in the most convenient way. Maybe such videos are not the most appropriate to draw any conclusions from
That's exactly right, achilles.

The way I see it is that Kerry has used the issue as the centerpiece to boost his image as a Veteran who can be an effective leader with our national defense in light of President Bush's overwhealming popular opinion in that category.

However, he squarely put himself into the ring for such rebuttals in doing so.

Just my $0.02
:D

[budanski]

Not only that, he's set himself up to be a war hero from the vietnam war. both taboos in the democrat party ;)

[achilles]

Not only that, he's set himself up to be a war hero from the vietnam war. both taboos in the democrat party ;)

I suppose taboos can be easily forgotten when theres a story that can be exploited politically...makes sense in politics.

I dont know if i m making you repeat yourself but, eventually, HOW did he get his medals? Assuming that he is fake....is it possible to bypass the 'system' like that and be awarded with medals that he didnt deserve in the first place? We are talking about medals of honour here....

[Secret Squirrel]

Not only that, he's set himself up to be a war hero from the vietnam war. both taboos in the democrat party ;)

I suppose taboos can be easily forgotten when theres a story that can be exploited politically...makes sense in politics.

I dont know if i m making you repeat yourself but, eventually, HOW did he get his medals? Assuming that he is fake....is it possible to bypass the 'system' like that and be awarded with medals that he didnt deserve in the first place? We are talking about medals of honour here....

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp

[He219]

Not only that, he's set himself up to be a war hero from the vietnam war. both taboos in the democrat party ;)
True, budanski. By setting himself as a hero and contrasting his actions 30 years ago during his tour in Vietnam with GW in the National Guard, Kerry is attempting to state that he is a 'qualified' leader with National Security related issues like those in Afghanistan, The Philippines, Liberia, Haiti, Iraq, Lybia, North Korea, Iran, Pakistan and the entire conduct of our response in the war on terror.

How did Clinton ever get elected?
;)

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040427/040427_vietnam_hlg_1p.hlarge.jpg

Why Vietnam remains a campaign issue (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4845873/)

By Tom Curry
National affairs writer
MSNBC

Updated: 5:53 p.m. ET April 27, 2004WASHINGTON - Nearly 30 years after the last United States soldier left Vietnam, the question of whether that war was worth fighting and which American men had the courage to fight there continues to roil American elections.

As Democrats question the service record of President Bush and Republicans wonder aloud about Sen. John Kerry's medals, does it matter to voters on Election Day if a man who seeks to be president served or didn’t serve in Vietnam?

There is persuasive evidence that voters have already settled the question with a decisive “no.”

In 1992, and again in 1996, voters elected a man who, as a 23 year-old in 1969, had reneged on his promise to join the University of Arkansas ROTC program.

“I want to thank you,” wrote Bill Clinton to ROTC commander Col. Eugene Holmes on Dec. 3, 1969, “for saving me from the draft.”

Clinton successfully “gamed the system” to avoid going to Vietnam. By the time he submitted to the draft, Congress had instituted a lottery system and Clinton luckily drew a high number, 311, which put him safely out of reach of going to war.

And as a young Clinton himself admitted to Holmes, “I decided to accept the draft in spite of my beliefs for one reason: to maintain my political viability within the system. For years I have worked to prepare myself for a political life characterized by both practical political ability and concern for rapid social progress.”

In the decades after writing those sentences, Clinton surely proved that he had “practical political ability,” enough of it in 1992 to weather the media firestorm over how and why he avoided serving in Vietnam.

Defending Clinton in February of 1992, Sen. John Kerry said, “We do not need to divide America over who served and how. I have personally always believed that many served in many different ways. Someone who was deeply against the war in 1969 or 1970 may well have served their country with equal passion and patriotism by opposing the war as by fighting in it.”

A plurality of voters decided to follow Kerry’s advice in 1992, accepting Clinton’s draft avoidance, and even disregarding his statement to Holmes that he found himself “loathing the military.”

Clinton’s 1969 phrase, “For years I have worked to prepare myself for a political life” might apply equally as well to Kerry, who after he left the Navy, quickly launched a career as anti-war advocate and aspiring politician, appearing on national television programs such as the "**** Cavett Show" and "Meet the Press."

It was on NBC's "Meet the Press" on April 18, 1971, that Kerry, then 27 years old, said, “I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free-fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. … I took part in search-and-destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare.”

He added that, “All of this (was) ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down,” an indictment of Presidents Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon and even perhaps of John F. Kennedy, who ordered U.S. military advisers to Vietnam.

Until he appeared on "Meet the Press" on April 18 of this year, Kerry had successfully combined the roles of war hero and anti-war leader.

Emphasis on heroism
The emphasis of his campaign during the primary season was almost entirely on his war service in Vietnam, not on his leadership of Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

As he told a Vietnam veterans caucus in California in March 2003, "I am the only the person running for president of the United States on either side who has actually fought in a war and served four years of active duty."

In Iowa, the first contest back in January, Kerry’s Iowa supporters said in one interview after another with MSNBC.com that his Vietnam combat experience convinced them of his decency and courage.

“I have two nephews who served in the Army in the Vietnam War,” Lois Dencklau, a Kerry supporter in Fort Dodge, Iowa, said in January. “I felt exactly the way Kerry did: It was a terrible war. But that didn’t stop him from being there and serving his country.”

And when Sen. Ted Kennedy introduced Kerry at a tumultuous rally in Waterloo, Iowa, on the Saturday before the caucuses, the lines that got the loudest applause were Kennedy’s recital of Kerry’s heroism under fire.

If there was one thing and only one thing that voters knew, it was that Kerry was a Vietnam War hero.

Three months later, with the Democratic presidential nomination in the bag for Kerry, some Americans may not yet know that he opposed the Vietnam war after he returned from fighting in it.


Yet Kerry makes his Vietnam service the central part of his campaign. Can you say 'Flip-flopper'?
;)