Question: Pointing gun up or down?

[xjym2002]

I found some old pics of London Police Officers in Heathrow Airport. They were pointing their guns up, while most military personnels always points gun to the ground -- for safety I think.

I wonder if either way is OK, or there exists written rules in Military regulations.

UP:
http://www.figuresmania.net/BBS/attachments/forumid_31/YWBU_000.jpg
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http://www.figuresmania.net/BBS/attachments/forumid_31/BqAO_000.jpg
http://www.figuresmania.net/BBS/attachments/forumid_31/0KhJ_000.jpg

DOWN:
http://www.figuresmania.net/BBS/attachments/forumid_31/HRcp_Chinese_iraq01_bignomark.jpg

[MEGR]

http://www.figuresmania.net/BBS/attachments/forumid_31/akqT_000.jpg


Be careful! Anyways, all of these guys look pretty professional with their fingers off the trigger (very important). Up or down, I gues as long as it is not pointed at a person (aside from tangos) than it is ok.

[ibstolidude]

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This is the typical way most real men are taught

[Beowulf]

love the new 'tar

[ibstolidude]

love the new 'tar
It was casual friday - what can I say?

[BadKarma26]

Military and TAC cops usually point the weapon downwards when they are room clearing so if they get shot the bullets will hit the floor rather than the ceiling and the guys behind him. When you are hunting, or not in a CQE its a good idea to point the weapon in the air because ricochets from the ground start becoming a factor.

[graphicsguy at PH]

Military and TAC cops usually point the weapon downwards when they are room clearing so if they get shot the bullets will hit the floor rather than the ceiling and the guys behind him. When you are hunting, or not in a CQE its a good idea to point the weapon in the air because ricochets from the ground start becoming a factor.

What the hell are you talking about???, pointing the gun in the air??? always and I say ALWAYS point your weapon straight to the front with your melon and eyes down the sights. That few seconds that you take to bring that weapon up and acuire your tgt could be a few seconds too slow when your clearing any sort of building.

[tenda]

weapon down.....finger far from the trigger...!!!!1 :D

[FozzieBear]

well british armed police get a **** load of training, so i would side with them because they know what they are doing

[brachialstun]

There are advantages to both. Most people perform the barrel down carry since it is easier to walk rounds up a target than trying to bring the barrel down on a threat.

However there are people that are highly skilled with the Satterwhite method of carry that can more than handle themselves.

[AVZ]

THey look a bit old for quick reaction purposes. And I don't think they are pros on this weapons. It's of course just a show of force, so that the tourists believe in "godd" security.

[Mur'al]

police being deployed with long arms are being trained to point them upwards, in this manner the public have less to bitch about as the weapons don't appear to be pointing at them

[Zenchan]

:fork: This is an age-old debate similar to the old revolver vs pistol argument.

There is a lot to be said for the old "barrel up", always depending where and whom you work/operate with. In a lot of places in the world, with a lot of troops I would feel very uncomfortable knowing that I have troops behind me with the barrel somewhere pointing down (between my legs?).

I have learned , trained , teached and shot a lot of rounds myself both ways and both systems have their pos and neg points.

Just one thing is sure "friendly fire - isn't!" p-)

[khukuri]

In my military we always point it down to fast reaction reasons. Other aspects dont count for us.

I dont know whats aspects make people point their weapon up.

I´ve seen several images of us vietnam soilders pointing their rifles up holding it in comfy right arm why. never understood why.

maybe someone can tell.

[joshuak5]

It all depends on the threat.

If there is very little immediate threat and you are standing guard, more there for a presence, than having the weapon pointed up is the safe way to go. There is less chance of hitting someone with a ricochet off the ground.

In the case of the last picture, those guys are on a protective detail. They must react quickly. For them it is better for the weapon to be pointing down. For them, if a threat appears a ricochet off the ground hitting someone is not always a bad thing. As long as it is not their principle.

[Stl. boy]

It all depends on the threat.

Exactly. I think what the thread starter ment was when they are standing guard, like above. I think the last pic was a bad one to use in this case because it didnt show this. Replace it with one of the many pics that have come out with NYC and D.C. SWAT standing around guarding. And i do agree that up would be better in this case.

[pretorian669]

I´ve seen several images of us vietnam soilders pointing their rifles up holding it in comfy right arm why. never understood why.

maybe someone can tell.

Not sure but maybe because they did not have slings on the M 16s?

[Poontang_Dan]

Pointing gun up in a ready mode is an accident waiting to happen. Only situation where I recall rifle pointing upwards is rigging it for a jump.

[Jack Mehoff]

Question: Pointing gun up or down?


Depends on how hot the girl i'm looking at.


oopppss!!wrong thread

[StukaJr]

What comes up - will come down...

[Gatling]

Well, you can't really tell with the brits, they drive on the wrong side of the road to begin with :lol:

[ArmyRanger]

because in vietnam humping a long time with an M-16 in ur hands it starts to get heavy and they put it in a relaxed position. they were not just guarding somthing they were on 15 mile humps through the jungle.

[SILENT SCOPE]

Its really a personally preference if you ask me. Most of the people I talk to say that they hold their weapons pointed up if there is a threat in the area so that gravity can do most of the work if they have to use their weapon. However for me, i can shoulder a weapon at about the same speed either way.

Unless I'm holding a 45 lb rifle in which case I pretty much have no choise but to point it down:

http://img20.exs.cx/img20/1636/DSCF3644.jpg

...then again who needs to shoulder a Barrett real fast anyways? Goddamn that rifle was bitch to pick up.

[Uncle Sam]

Down

[Chris196]

Half-sabrina position is about retarded...

[memphiz]

Id point it right at any Mofo's face who looked at me, then Id go "Wat de Fack you lookin' at BEEAT-CH!!"...that'd show 'em whos boss

[gruntsuck]

in regards to having weapon up or down i can think of no reason why they would have it up except for friendly stance when in the eye of public. most military have it down for 1. easier to patrol
2. easier to aquire targets
3. vertical tracking... due to the rapid nature of instinctive shooting one can fire a series of 3 to 5 rounds starting low and tracking up towards head this also goes with the natural jump of the weapon

[gruntsuck]

because in vietnam humping a long time with an M-16 in ur hands it starts to get heavy and they put it in a relaxed position. they were not just guarding somthing they were on 15 mile humps through the jungle.

mate your joking arent you that is probanly why you yanks got the **** kicked out you over there you have to stay alert no matter what state your in and that includes bringing your weapons to bear quickly

[MáximoPoder]

Down

[Mongrel]

In the CF it is called the 'high port' position.

Best used for urban, and built up areas, and close combat.
My recently downloaded C7 handbook is from 94 so things might be diffrent now.

Don't forget you are also prob' wearing a bulky vest.
Personaly I like the idea of the 'cradle position' for long periods of time.

I'm pretty sure the British Armed Police know what they are doing.
I also think I see the 'safety on' one of those pics also, but I could be wrong as I'm not too famil' with those weapons.

Not many pretty women in the British Armed Police eh? :P

Cheers!
M.

[Poontang_Dan]

http://img20.exs.cx/img20/1636/DSCF3644.jpg

...then again who needs to shoulder a Barrett real fast anyways? Goddamn that rifle was bitch to pick up.[/quote]

airsoft Barrett weighs that much?? What's the point? :lol:

[Raistlin]

What comes up - will come down...
Unless you get an escape velocity. Or aiming for an orbit. Or having some sort of a propulsion engine. :]

[Mongrel]

I tell yah the USA has some cool things..like being able to walk into a Gun store and by a sniper rifle like that.

You wouldn't believe the BS Canadians have to go through to buy the few cool firearms that are not prohibited.

Cheers!
M.

[SILENT SCOPE]

]airsoft Barrett weighs that much?? What's the point? :lol:

That rifle is real bro. I'd prove it to you, but unfortunately .50 BMG is like $200 a pop here in New York. Now they're trying to ban the M82A1 in NY cause they think a terrorist could buy one and shoot aircraft down with it rofl so you got me in a tight spot

I know the guy who owns the rifle, Mongrel so if you're looking to try one without the hassle of going all the way to Texas be my guest. I dont think its worth it tho cause everyone I talk to tells me its like shooting a .30 in terms of recoil. Not to mention we dont have any ranges big enough to use the thing to half its potentional so a Barrett in NY is like a really really heavy paperweight.

...what were we talking about again?

[AVZ]

Its really a personally preference if you ask me. Most of the people I talk to say that they hold their weapons pointed up if there is a threat in the area so that gravity can do most of the work if they have to use their weapon. However for me, i can shoulder a weapon at about the same speed either way.


Up or down????

1 question: Where do you have your hands normally??? DOWN!!
Where do you point your weapon for fast reaction??? DOWN!!!


You can put it faster into your shoulder, and your sightline is not interrupted by your weapon.
It's just that easy ;)

[gruntsuck]

Totally agree with Avz and why would you ever shoulder a barret in an unsupported position its an anti material rifle prodominantly used by snipers so you would be shooting it in some type of supported position not patrolling and bringing it to bear rapidly

[GazB]

I personally prefer pointing my rifles or guns up when out shooting.

The risk of pointing my weapon down is that if I slip my muzzle gets filled with dirt and ****.

Obviously if I was ever to carry a rifle in an urban environment whether I pointed up or down largely depends upon where I am. In a multi story building if i am on the ground floor and there are no basement floors then down is best... if I am on the roof of a building then up is better.

Pointing the rifle up is not that much less safe than pointing it down as the terminal velocity of most 30 cal bullets is about 300fps.

[ctcboy]

You can buy .50 cal rifles in Canada. You just need to have your firearms possesion / aqcuisition license. That barret would probabably be restricted but if you have no criminal record a restricted license really isnt any harder to get.

[Rakki]

Isn't it easier on the arms to have it cradled pointing up instead of pointing down and hanging off your arms? And when you are walking around, pointing it down would probably bang into things...

[Mongrel]

Yup looks Prohibited in Canada.

The sad list...
http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/en/owners_users/fact_sheets/r&p.asp
(I still don't know way the Dragonov is on the prohibited list.) :cantbeli:

Not that I would like to own a M82 Barreta one anyway...I'd have to go deep into the woods to use it, and also as mentioned the Ammo can't be cheap..not to mention the cost of the site.

Better to joint the Army, and let them pay for the Ammo. :P

A musket would prob' be more fun to shoot.

Anyway..blah blah.

Cheers!
M.

[FDF_Hemppis]

Up or down? Depends... When i.e. when preparing to clear a room, the gun is pointed upwards, like in this (http://russianarms.info/rost2004/images/6/photo%20289.jpg) picture. Basically anywhere else it's downwards.

This is how I was trained, at least :)

[mattnwnc03]

when going to a rifle range in the army we pointed our rifles up and down range.so many different ways

[xjym2002]

...Unless I'm holding a 45 lb rifle in which case I pretty much have no choise but to point it down:

http://img20.exs.cx/img20/1636/DSCF3644.jpg

...then again who needs to shoulder a Barrett real fast anyways? Goddamn that rifle was bitch to pick up...

UP :lol:
http://russianarms.info/roma/osv96-2.jpg