Airsoft

[TacoDelRio]

Does anyone here play airsoft? I run my own team in Southern California, and I wanted to know who else played it so we could discuss tactics, loadouts, weaponry, etc. I am setting up a new team under my original group, CTT, (Counter Terrorism Team) as sort of a MOUT related team, going more towards SWAT sorta scenarios. Seeing how lots of fighting has been done in built up areas in modern times, I'd like to be on the cutting edge.

I assume there should be alot of airsofters on this site, since its a good site to see how to set up equipment and stuff like that.

Hooah p-)

[rangerone]

Hey man I play. PM me. I play on a team called TAC and we are in the St. Louis/Metro area of Illinois. Check out www.metroeastairsoft.com
There is a big forum site there all about airsoft.

[Minjin]

I am a Canadian Airsofter here. We are starting up a team as we speak in Edmonton, Alberta.

[TacoDelRio]

Well, I'm glad to see you are on a professional team. I'll check out that site right away. I don't yet have a website up for my team. I'll soon have pictures of me in all my gear with my various weapons.


Oorah! p-)

[tciolk02]

Our Airsoft team is in MA, mostly into outdoor skirmishes. Check us out at www.shadowkings.net - links to photos and our emails there.

[Apogee]

of you airsofters, who is planning on joining the military, or who has prior service? Never played, but I'm interested in the demographics of the group. I know we had a bunch of ex-military and planning on joining type of guys when i used to play paint ball back in high school.

[rangerone]

I plan on going into the Army.

[David]

how much money does the average airsofter spend to get started playing? guns, vests, whatever else..?

[rangerone]

A weapon can cost from $150 to $1000 depending on what you get. All of my gear is military issue stuff and stuff from surplus stores. It cost me about $100.

[Ariete]

I play SoftAir here in italy

[Light Fighter]

I play airsoft. I started playing paintball, but always wanted more realistic weapons, so I discovered Airsoft. As far as a team, well airsoft isnt very big/popular in PA, so me and about 15 other guys casually get together at my house about once a month and play. I have about 20 acres of free land in my "back yard" including a running stream, a fairly good sized bridge across the river at the wider side, a small brick fence that strecthes for about an acre out and 2 run down farm houses. Gear wise, I have the normal BDU's including tiger stripe, woodland, OD, a russian pattern i am not sure of and an od flightsuit. I have an Eagle TAC-V3 Assault Vest (black) and am currently awaiting my Blackhawk ISSAK vest. (woodland) Weapons wise, I have a TOKYO MARUI MP5 RAS and a TK m4A1 (both electric). As far as military service, I can not join any branch of the Armed Services du to a spine injury I sustained during football in High School but 4 members of my "team" are retired vets, 1 is reserves and 1 is from the local police department. The rest are just guys like me that love collecting military equipment and such. As close to a firefight as I will ever get.

[TacoDelRio]

I am joining the military, talking to a recruiter tomorrow. I have lots of experience with weapons of all types, and how to use them to their fullest advantage. I am joining the US Army, to be more specific.

My current loadout for outdoor wars is:
Tokyo Marui M4A1 (Customized by me) woot
tiger stripe bdu's
web gear (russian and east german)
Ka-bar knife (7 inch) :bash:
patrol pack (customized by me)
etc

My "Counter Terrorism" loadout is:
Tokyo Marui M4A1 or Tokyo Marui MP5 (Full stock, can't remember exact variant name!)
West German Winter coat, lining removed (works great in urban environ's, holds about 30 MP5 magazines)
Etc....

Sniper gear
"Super 9" customized by me (2.5-10x 50mm scope, duplex reticle)
My own custom built ghillie suit, custom built by me (I custom make them for anyone who I approve of. They work VERY well!)
Etc...

Thats my basic loadout for my usual crap.
Send me an instant message for more information.


Hooah! p-)

[robwarrior]

i play too!! im currently playing here in the philippines been playing for 8 years already. so u guys gonna join the military huh!! i envy you i wish i could join up to.. always wanted to be a US seal. they get all the neat stuff... :(

[TacoDelRio]

Oh yeah, sorry. Yes, I am joining the US Army as a career. I have high goals in the army, if you get what im saying. woot

If you ever meet me, youll understand!
:P
Hooah! p-)

[GearGod]

Does anyones airsoft team have gear, fitness, and training standards?

[Minjin]

I read on airsoftzone.com that some guy wanted to have really strict standards for his team, and he basically just got ripped apart on the forums. The point is, airsoft is a game, so anyone who wants to play should be able to. Whether an airsofter can carry a week's gear through the mountains in the rain is irrelevant for the game. So alot of people found it disrespectful that he didn't want anyone who wasn't on par with real operators. Some of the "best" airsoft players out there are not quite real Specops material, we like a beer or six now and then. ;)

Some teams do have gear/weapon standards though. There is a German-inspired team in my town, which uses German BDUs and a lot of HK weapons, and the same group also has a US inspired team with Woodland BDUs and Colt series guns. These same guys have training days on a fairly regular basis, so other than fitness standards they seem to be what you mean.

[TacoDelRio]

We have fitness standards. Anyone who wishes to participate in special missions must be able to do 50 pushups in a row without much trouble, (under 2 minutes or so) without stalling or taking too long, etc. 50 situps in the same allotted amount of time, 20 pullups in the same, and a long run through a course. Rather basic, and loose. But many people cannot reach the requirements. :lol:

We basically have outings where we make sure everyone is in good shape, but we focus on tactics. :bash: :fork: We have gear standards, to the point that riflemen in the squad have automatic weapons, preferably rifle based. It is also usefull to have as many standard capacity magazines as possible, as the high caps rattle because the bb's are loose.

Thats pretty much a quick run through on standards on our group. Besides those, we have to wear camo, gear, etc. the usual.

Hooah! p-)

[GearGod]

I AM the person you speak of

"I read on airsoftzone.com that some guy wanted to have really strict standards for his team"

Standards I talked about were that they gotta pass APFT and/or March with Combat Gear excluding a rucksack because airsoft ops doesnt take place for several days.. More like several hours. But thats pretty much what they would have to work for. Gear would be issued to them and we would train to a standard in infantry tactics. I see nothing wrong with that. Which serious airsoft leader wouldn't want his team to be APFT-Qualified?

"Some of the "best" airsoft players out there are not quite real Specops material"

Define specops material

"the same group also has a US inspired team with Woodland BDUs and Colt series guns"

Do they have a website? BTW be sure to check out specwargear's "collector corner" http://specwargear.com/collectorcorner.html which features lots of airsofters and their gear.. Heres some examples:

http://specwargear.com/images/collector%2064-2.jpg
http://specwargear.com/images/collector%2064-3.jpg
http://specwargear.com/images/collector4-1.jpg

Another team:

http://militarymorons.com/cqb/cqb.html

[GearGod]

MrSkorotsnoy: What are your gear/weapon standards? Do all your riflemen all wear the same vests? If so, which one? ALICE LC-2? LBV? ELBV? MOLLEII FLC? SPEAR ELCS? Do you have SAW gunners and Grenadiers? Did you guys write an official manual about tactics based off of the following US Army manuals?

http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/21-75/toc.htm

http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/7-8/toc.htm

http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/3-06.11/toc.htm

[a. enders]

I don't currently play,but have been looking into for a while.Looks like crazy fun.About the fitness inssue,its a game.If someone can walk to their car or up a flight of stairs without a cardiac arrest,then they could almost certainly play.Tell someone in a pick-up game of basketball there are fitness requirements,do you? ;)
How's about twelve-hours of snow shoveling?Fit enough? :|
I am basing this on paintball (used to play,got boring) and the stuff my bro and I still do (chase eachother with metal rods/kitchen knives/y'know the usual).

[TacoDelRio]

Haha! We have requirements for gear ONLY ON weaponry and clothing. Persons playing must wear camoflauge, and have an automatic rifle. That's it. I do not get much money, so I don't go and waste it on expensive gear that I can just make myself by sewing together various materials, etc. I make most of my stuff!

Like my white ass I can afford ALICE stuff! I don't get much money from my parents, as I am not spoiled, like a few of the people I play againts, whose parents bought their AEG's (I had to sell my guitar, and a few computers to raise money) till i get a job, at least.

As soon as I join the Army, I'll have more spendng money. I'll probably buy real guns, though, as I can actually hit distant things with those!


Send me a private message!
Hooah! p-)

[GearGod]

"About the fitness inssue,its a game"

Theres a difference between the player who just plays with his friends and/or his mediocre organization and serious professional players who travels the USA to national level events such as http://operationironangel.com/ and events hosted by combatenterprises.com I dont know about you guys but I would want my team to have an "edge" over every one else and to set good examples i.e. gear fitness training standards. Whats funny is that I calculated how much it would cost to get all the gear I'd need and it came up to $10,000 or less per person depending on if we used helmet mounted night vision monoculars

[Minjin]

Adam, a link to that group is: http://airsoftedmonton.netfirms.com/ It is still a relatively new site, so bear with them.

And all I meant is that airsoft is a game, and as such it is kinda extreme to expect your team to have the strict physical qualifications of a real SOF group. I believe someone posted in your ASZ thread that some of the best players they have would not come close to qualifying for your physical standards, yet they are extremely gifted airsofters because airsoft doesn't involve humping alot of gear around.

Second, I have never heard of professional airsofters. Everyone I have talked to plays it as recreation. Even the guys that went to Iron Angel. They went for fun.

And Third, I know very few people who would be willing to spend $10,000 USD per person on gear for airsoft. That seems rather excessive. Why do you need that much gear to win a game?

[Minjin]

Adam, a link to that group is: http://airsoftedmonton.netfirms.com/ It is still a relatively new site, so bear with them.

And all I meant is that airsoft is a game, and as such it is kinda extreme to expect your team to have the strict physical qualifications of a real SOF group. I believe someone posted in your ASZ thread that some of the best players they have would not come close to qualifying for your physical standards, yet they are extremely gifted airsofters because airsoft doesn't involve humping alot of gear around.

Second, I have never heard of professional airsofters. Everyone I have talked to plays it as recreation. Even the guys that went to Iron Angel. They went for fun.

And Third, I know very few people who would be willing to spend $10,000 USD per person on gear for airsoft. That seems rather excessive. Why do you need that much gear to win a game?

[GearGod]

ahh yes, impressive photos. Looks like everyone pretty much just wears what they wants and show up. Very stereotypical(not a bad thing)

"it is kinda extreme"

LOL like I said its a nice "edge" to have over other players. Im sure that there are a "percentage" of airsofters who beleive in military PT, I'd just have to find those individuals.

"they are extremely gifted airsofters because airsoft doesn't involve humping alot of gear around"

Perhaps, but it does involve cardio stuff i.e. patrols, 3-5 second rushes, sprints, etc. All this with full combat gear exluding a ruck. I believe that the person who is APFT qualified will do better "physically" than the person who isnt APFT qualified.

"never heard of professional airsofters. Everyone I have talked to plays it as recreation"

Well to me professional means having fitness/gear/training standards and participating in every major national level airsoft event. I would play it as recreation also, 2 to 4 times a month.

"I know very few people who would be willing to spend $10,000 USD per person on gear for airsoft"

Like I said, I will issue them the gear. Money will not be a factor for them. Its also an incentive for them to at least try out.

"Why do you need that much gear to win a game"

Most would admit that the gear I like is too much, going overboard, excessive, unnecessary, etc. Some of it is for style, some of it is for function. Some of the most expensive items are the $5000 night vision monocular or the $1000 M4A1 weapon system. What about the desert/woodland BDUs, vests, helmet covers, gloves, boots, pads, electronic devices such as radios, binoculars...etc. Check out specwargear.com theres LOTS of gear to have fun with.

[Apogee]

If you ask me "APFT qualified" means very little. It is in no way a measure of your combat effectiveness. Unless you have to pushups your way to victory. I mean the minimum standard for 'passing' the APFT for the 17-21 bracket is 42 pushups, 53 situps, and a 15:54 twomile time. Believe me, I have FM 21-20 sitting in front of me. Those standards are #1 very low and #2 not a measure of the physical attributes of an effective war fighter. As usual, thats just me giving my humble opinion.

[GearGod]

USMA_SCUBA: I agree with you 100%. I read this exellent article about how APFT doesnt train you to fight. Whats better is speed marches and sprints in full combat gear. Read this:

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/2116/apft.htm

QUOTE=====>>>>>"COMBAT PT TRAINING

Instead of running around in shorts we could do PT in the actual BDU uniform and LBE that we will use in combat. While ruck marching for time:

*Carry a stretcher with a designated Soldier on it and rotate during the march use rigid and non-rigid litters
*Carry 5 gallon water cans
*Push a HMMWV simulating a disabled vehicle
*Sandbag vehicles for technical skill/upper body strength
*Tow a 120mm Heavy Mortar a distance (U.S. Army Ranger 3-man squad towed a 716 pound mortar for 30 miles re: The Discovery Channel documentary "American Commandos" 1-800-765-0066 $19.95)
*Carry weapons at the ready during a speed march, stop and engage targets with MILES and silhouettes or live fire
*Obstacle courses *Assembly-Disassembly of weapons EIB-style after a speed march or "Battle run"
*Battle runs with LBE (LC-2, ETLBV, TLBV etc), weapon, helmet

The point of all of this is to get better Soldier performance while in combat fighting order" <<<<<======END QUOTE

Thats why I said "APFT and/or forced march/sprints in full combat gear

[TacoDelRio]

How much money do you have? Am I right in saying that you said that you would buy all the gear for all the members of your team?

I think if someone wants to make extreme things for airsoft, that's cool. If someone just does it for recreation, that's cool. I don't need to make my airsoft stuff extreme, as it is recreational. I'm joining the US Army real damn soon, and I'm sure I'll experience enough realism there.

[GearGod]

Yes I would issue them gear. I plan on aquiring the money in the future. If I dont by the time Im 33-34(army enlistment age limit) I may get ticked off and try out for the 75th Ranger Regiment!! Best conventional unit in the Army

[TacoDelRio]

Are you sure? You sound like one of those guys with tons of money, and no, you know.....

Are you sure you can be a Ranger at age 36? :|

[Alleycat]

What are u guys talking about. My cousin is under 30 and hes a Ranger. Or are u guys saying that 36 is too old.

[GearGod]

MrSkorotsnoy: 36? More like 34.. 34 is the age limit. Heres a quote from the PT Manual:

"Men tend to maintain their peak levels of muscular strength and endurance and CR fitness until age 30. After 30 there is a gradual decline throughout their lives. Although a decline in performance normally occurs with aging, those who stay physically active do not have the same rate of decline as those who do not. Decreases in muscular strength and endurance, CR endurance, and flexibility occur to a lesser extent in those who regularly train these fitness components. Soldiers who are fit at age 40 and continue to exercise show a lesser decrease in many of the physiological functions related to fitness than do those who seldom exercise. A trained 60-year-old, for example, may have the same level of CR fitness as a sedentary 20-year-old. In short, regular exercise can help add life to your years and years to your life"

And no Im not rich, but its a long term goal of mine.

Alleycat: I was saying that if all my plans to be a rich CEO company owner fails by the time I am 34 years old I may consider joining the Army, hopefully the 75th Ranger Regiment or an airborne unit such the 101st/82nd

[Trigger]

I bet they can't wait... :roll:

[a. enders]

Hope you will all join me in a round of applause for our big toe,Sergeant Hulka. ;)

(Forgive the bad spelling/grammar/what have you,I'm sick)

[Ichhabe]

That was actually a funny movie until they went in to Czechoslovakia...

[Merik]

Sounds to me like all Adam does in his spare time,if he has any because of Airsoft,is he flat-out makes Air soft his life.No offense man but not even paintball people take it that seriously.

"Its Czechoslovakia!!!!!!Its like Wisconsin,we get in we get out" lol

[Minjin]

no offense, but if you plan to issue ten grand (USD) of gear to people just to play airsoft, you are insane. That alone will keep you out of the Rangers. rofl

[GearGod]

"Sounds to me like all Adam does in his spare time,if he has any because of Airsoft,is he flat-out makes Air soft his life"

Right now Im a 17 year old high school kid with almost 0 income and im poor and broke and so are my parents so I dont play airsoft as much as you may think. But what Im saying is that one day when perhaps I get rich I will issue gear to my team.. Now the entire 10,000 thing may be more or less; I have not fully researched every aspect of it. Make it my life? Well not just airsoft, its military simulations in general. Id like to start a company marketing military simulation products i.e. airsoft/paintball stuff, video games, movies. etc.

"No offense man but not even paintball people take it that seriously"

I think its cool to take it seriously, and its not like its a bad thing.

"no offense, but if you plan to issue ten grand (USD) of gear to people just to play airsoft, you are insane"

Gear costs money. Again, that was a rough estimate I did a year back, perhaps I will create a new list and post it here for all to see. I may start now hehehe.

"That alone will keep you out of the Rangers"

How will it keep me out of rangers?

[Ratamacue]

...you are insane

[Apogee]

As a private in the Rangers you are not going to be making all that much money. Granted you get jump pay, but it still doesn't amount to much. Not enough to buy all kinds of crazy airsoft gear anyways.

[GearGod]

I have been misinterpreted. I said in the event I DONT get rich before 34 I may attempt to join the 75th Ranger Regiment or some Airborne Infantry Unit and do it FOR REAL instead of working my @$$ off just to make the money for simulating something I can get for free and get paid for. Its my Plan B, Backup Plan if you will. You said one doesnt get paid that much... Money would not be important to me then, because what would matter is that I get the combat fun that Ive always wanted and live life on the edge heh

[Ratamacue]

Combat? Fun? What frickin' planet are you from?

[Minjin]

Well since this is an airsoft topic, I will say this: Ten grand US is insanity. Airsoft is not the real deal. I have spent about $1200 CANADIAN and I have pretty much all the gear I need, with a few small exceptions. I fail to see where the remaining ridiculous amount comes into play.

and Ratmacue is right in clearing up what I meant. $10,000 USD in airsoft gear for each member of your team = insanity = not likely to get into Rangers. :bash:

[GearGod]

"Combat? Fun? What frickin' planet are you from?"

I was including war games and training into that statement i.e. training is fun. Shooting real steel weapons is fun. Playing war games with MILES/Simunitions is fun. Combat however, I hope to never participate.. And if I do, it would be one hell of an experience

"$10,000 USD in airsoft gear for each member of your team = insanity = not likely to get into Rangers"

How much money I "would" spend if I had the money doesnt dictate what mental disorder I could possibly have. You say 10k is alot. Think about how much gear costs. A PVS-14 Night Vision Monocular for example costs $3,950.00. You guys want a list? I may be able to compile such a list for you

[GearGod]

I typed up a short price list of the HEADGEAR. Note: When I say desert Im talking about the current issue 3 Colour Desert, not the OBSOLETE 6 Colour desert. I have also not included in this a custom fit mouthguard from a dentist which prevents chipped teeth from Airsoft BB hits. This is the HEADGEAR, I have yet to type up the Upper Body, Lower Body, and Weapons/Electronics List.

HEADGEAR

$10 Woodland Boonie Hat(For recon ops)
$10 Desert Boonie Hat(For recon ops)
$425 CGF Gallet TC-2000 Combat Helmet
$10 Woodland Cover
$10 Desert Cover
$8 Cateye Helmet Band/Turtle Straps
$3 Rank Patch
$50 Night Vision Helmet Adaptor Adaptor
$3,950 PVS-14 Night Vision Monocular
$74 Bolle T800 Goggles
$74 Bolle T800 Goggles(For backup)
$10 OD Name Tapes(For Front/Back of helmet, back of Woodland Jacket BDU collar, front of woodland bdu jacket, on back of woodland bdu pants, on nomex gloves, packs, gear, etc.)
$4 Face Paint
$10 OD Balaclava(For cold weather/cqb ops)
$10 Tan Balaclava(for cold weather/cqb ops)
$20 Arctic Fleece Balaclava
$10 Camo Scarf(For hot weather/style)
$10 Helmet Team Patch on sides
$50 Motorola FRS Radio Headset

Headgear Total: $4748


Some may ask.. Why a 400 dollar helmet? Until a low cost replica MICH helmet with 3 point suspension and padding comes out, there is no other option

What about a 4000 dollar night vision monocular? Military uses it. And people play airsoft in the dark.

[Apogee]

Good call on the gear for both woodland and desert. Just incase your airsoft unit gets deployed to somewhere crazy. You might also want to get drysuits and scuba tanks so you can infil by water. What about promasks? Just in case the other team starts deploying airsoft CS or serin. Right..........................

"What about a 4000 dollar night vision monocular? Military uses it. And people play airsoft in the dark."

Yeah, the military also uses tanks, but I doubt you need an M1A2SEP to play a game. Good luck with you little fantasy world....

[Ratamacue]

Purely pathetic. Maybe you want to spend that $10,000 on something more important, like your bills or (gasp) charity!

You really want a nightvision monocular that bad?

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd/product.asp?sku=50032&mscssid=UGMA4DQSHTXK8PU2D7PMQJUWLM293EAC

Rig up a simple headset and you have yourself a fully functional NV monocular. Oh wait, it must suck if it's only $250, and after all, you really need the high-quality Generation III stuff for airsoft.

[GearGod]

"Yeah, the military also uses tanks"

I was referring to ground infantry/sf small unit combat. A tank however I think would be great to play with.. If you've ever played Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon you'll know what I mean. You'd get the opportunity to shoot them with AT4s etc.

"Purely pathetic. Maybe you want to spend that $10,000 on something more important, like your bills or (gasp) charity"

Pathetic? What you consider nonimportant to you is what I consider important to me. Everyone has a passion/vocation/obsession/calling for something in their life. Mine is MILITARY SIMULATIONS. Charity you say? I did say the guys would be issued gear. I wish I could join a team right now where they'd issue gear to me.

Ratamacue: Roger that... I'd rather use what the military uses. I look down on non-military stuff. Promask? Are you talking about the GI Gasmask? http://www.rangerjoes.com/catalog/selection.cfm?category=main&id=2955 I forgot to add that to the list incase we deploy smoke grenades in CQB. Raise the price tag to $5000. I have yet to complete the upper/lower body and weapons lists. I also forgot to say that I wanted the name tapes, helmet band, rank, and team patch in TAN colour for the desert helmet

[FallenAngel]

here;s a list for you a la Mastercard.

Headgear for stupid game...$5,000.00

Gun for stupid game...$3,000.00

Wages lost because of time off from work to play stupid game... $10,000.00

watching adambalhetchet make an ass of himself...priceless

:bash: :D

[GearGod]

Fallen: Becuase of your criticism I have decided to STOP HERE and not mention such "future plans" again nor will I post addditional information about price lists to prove my point. This will result in nothing but further criticism. It is in my experience that it is better to respond to the "SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!" requests by actually already achieving the wealth and telling people about the opportunity to join a military simulations unit

Cheers

[Ratamacue]

Smoke grenades in close quarters? You really are insane. Not even the military or Law Enforcement does that. That's just plain old dangerous. You've obvious taken airsoft way to far. Don't get me wrong, I'm an avid airsoft fan myself. But I don't find it necessary at all to wear more than a pair of cammies, boots, boonie, ALICE LBE, and my rifle.

Ever heard of "Keep it simple, stupid?" I think you're a classic example of who that applies to.

The reason we're criticizing you is because your plans are absolutely ridiculous. You're taking a fun game way too far. I know some people who wear some pretty hardcore gear to airsoft events (Blackhawk/Eagle/London Bridge/SOE/etc. gear), but none of them spend $10,000. Any airsofter in their right mind will laugh in your face if you tell this to them.

And if you think I meant issuing gear to your men when I said charity, you're a f*cking moron.

In addition, you say that you look down on non-Military stuff. That's funny, because there's quite a few weapons/gear out there that aren't issued to the US Military, yet are of vastly higher quality.

[Tulisan]

yo guys, airsoft is a big thing here in the philippines! we do competitions, out of town skirmish and 80-100+ players at a time is common. check out my site, www.aglrangers.org, lots of pictures and several videos.

[David]

adam, why would the army want a 34 year old as a ranger? don't you think that's kinda of old? ranger contracts are 5 years, you'd be damn near 40 by the end of it, and plus everyone would make fun of you and call you grandpa, etc.

[Minjin]

"nor will I post addditional information about price lists to prove my point"
Actually, you posting information is just proving everyone else's point. You really need backup goggles and nightvision to play airsoft? What are you compensating for? What's next, trying to rent a Blackhawk for airsoft events?

I'm with Ratmacue again here...simplicity is an art, it seems. Cammies and essential gear, that's all I want. That's all I need. And I haven't wasted ten grand multiple times over to accomplish my mission of fun. My team buys their own gear, and we are all hugely successful at what counts in airsoft. FUN.

[Merik]

For a 17 year old take my advice and GET A LIFE!Sorry dude but thats just the way it goes.Until then, go to your nearest recruiter and instead of wasting money, do the real thing bubba!

[GearGod]

"That's just plain old dangerous. You've obvious taken airsoft way to far"

Not if you wear a gasmask. Way to far? More like, MORE FUN. You have your belief and I have mine.

"I don't find it necessary at all to wear more than a pair of cammies, boots, boonie, ALICE LBE, and my rifle"

The only reason you are speaking like this is because of your LACK of money. IF you had the money you may do bigger and better things. I plan to do just that. I dont find it necessary to buy thousands of dollars worth of gear either, but with the potential money at my disposal why not simulate the military at its peak? ITS MORE FUN that way

"You're taking a fun game way too far"

Your socalled definition of "too far" isnt necesarrily a bad thing. More stuff = more fun. If you were given a choice of wearing what your cheap average income budget allows you to wear or the "expensive gear" that the Army wears, why woudlnt you choose the expensive gear? The only reason you think this "idea" is ridiculous is because you guys have the "poverty" mentality

"but none of them spend $10,000"

Perhaps, like I said I havent calculated and made my final decision on what I would choose to wear so it may be more or less than 10k. Just because no one else spends that much on airsoft does not mean it should be a factor in stopping me from wearing or issuing such gear. By the way, have you seen militarymorons.com? What about specwargear.com? Although they havent said they have 10k on the gear they have, they have certainly collected ALOT of gear. Im no different than these guys, who also care about the "gear" aspect of airsoft as well. I hate the fact how some people care more about the guns and just the guns instead of the military tactical aspect and/or the gearing up in military gear.

"Any airsofter in their right mind will laugh in your face if you tell this to them"

But if they were given the choice between wearing their cheap gear and my standard issue gear, which one do you think they would select? It is the sheer LACK of money-once again that is stopping them thinking it is too "ridiculous" to wear the gear theyve always dreamed about. These are the people whos passion isnt primarily airsoft and are not as obsesesed as I am and dont have high goals and dreams to accomplish

"And if you think I meant issuing gear to your men when I said charity, you're a moron"

First of all, I dont appreaciate the profanity. Its indecent. But I dont blame you, its your parents fault for allowing the corruption of society to corrupt you. Anyway, I saw it as "service to the people" i.e. issuing them gear, building places to play in etc.

"there's quite a few weapons/gear out there that aren't issued to the US Military, yet are of vastly higher quality"

When I said NON-MILITARY, I meant stuff that isnt primarily used by the Military such as those monoculars. They use HELMET MOUNTED PVS-7/14 Goggles/Monoculars and not that handheld monocular. Yes I do know that some GOV'T Issue stuff is crapp compared to some other gear companies such as BHI/SOE/EAGLE etc.

"You really need backup goggles and nightvision to play airsoft?"

Cimmerians recommend bakcup goggles if your primary fogs up. Night vision has been used in airsoft games before and will continue to be used in the future. Those are the facts. Would you rather depend on one goggle? Would you rather not see in the dark and "own the night". Would you rather perhaps attempt to see with your flashlight? Flashlights are for the balance between night and day in CQB ops. When theres less light but not dark enough to use your NODs

"What's next, trying to rent a Blackhawk for airsoft events"

Rent? I like the idea of owning one

"Cammies and essential gear, that's all I want. That's all I need. And I haven't wasted ten grand multiple times over to accomplish my mission of fun. My team buys their own gear, and we are all hugely successful at what counts in airsoft. FUN"

I didnt say there was anything wrong with the current state of airsoft. Im sure everyones having alot of fun. But what I want is a standard of elitism that would be EXTREMELY professional, overwhelming, and intimidating-Not to mention KICK@$$

"For a 17 year old take my advice and GET A LIFE!"

So thou art saying that I have no life? You are correct. When I aquire the money, I will play airsoft, then have THE LIFE. I'll start with the KISS basic ALICE gear and as my income increases I shall increase the gear I own. I'll start like everone else and be a stereotypical airsofter.

"instead of wasting money, do the real thing"

Wasting money? I also plan on building fields, starting a corporation of military simulations. I call it an investment. The whole issuing gear thing is more like a sponsorship type thing. I want to raise military simulations to a commercialized major extreme sport. You guys have to understand, that my PASSION in life, my PASSION is MILITARY SIMULATIONS. Im OBSESSED with it.

[Minjin]

You say you are offended at being called Moron, well then you really shouldn't speculate on other people's "poverty" and such. Claiming that I and other airsofters have a "poverty mentality" is just ignorant and rude. THAT is what is indecent. And grow up, don't bring someone's parenting into this. Again, you have no idea as to the facts, so zip it in that regard.

I in fact would rather stay light and unencumbered with the gear/cam that I have, than to have a full set of kit like a real soldier. If I had ten grand just laying around, with no other purpose, I still wouldn't buy all that gear. So don't say the rest of us are too poor to do what you want. We are what I like to call "grounded in reality."

And you ARE different from the militarymorons guys...They aren't spouting off about how they are going to give ten grand (+/-) in gear to their teammates. That is a big difference.

"what I want is a standard of elitism that would be EXTREMELY professional, overwhelming, and intimidating-Not to mention KICK@$$" No offense, kid, but I would not be overwhelmed or intimidated by you if you showed up to play in all that gear. I would laugh. Loudly. A good belly-shaking laugh.

"You guys have to understand, that my PASSION in life, my PASSION is MILITARY SIMULATIONS. Im OBSESSED with it." We hadn't noticed. :roll: I think you need to branch out your hobbies a bit. :bash:

[GearGod]

"than to have a full set of kit like a real soldier"

Yes, I do also take into consideration to be as light as possible and only to take MISSION-ESSENTIAL gear into combat. For example, if we were to play a 3 hour game I wouldnt take a Ruck full of Ammo, Water, and MREs

"If I had ten grand just laying around, with no other purpose, I still wouldn't buy all that gear"

Donot get me wrong. I wouldnt save up my last 10,000 just to buy airsoft stuff. I said that if I become rich enough I would pay that much to issue it to people after the entire company has been established etc. Similar to how JT sponsors and arms thier paintballers with free stuff

"And you ARE different from the militarymorons guys"

I did not say that ALL our beliefs are common, just certain aspects of it such as the passion for gear. That is all

"I would laugh. Loudly. A good belly-shaking laugh"

Still gotta admit that we would look better than the average low budgeted airsofter and more like a real soldier"

"I think you need to branch out your hobbies a bit"

It is my MAIN passion. If you were to say "other hobbies" it would be MILITARY movies, MILITARY video games, MILITARY books, MILITARY information, MILITARY EVERYTHING!

[Ratamacue]

He wasn't offended by me calling him a moron so much as saying f*ck. Heavens no. I can't do that. I just cursed! Save me! Oh, save me, my prince!


If you were given a choice of wearing what your cheap average income budget allows you to wear or the "expensive gear" that the Army wears, why woudlnt you choose the expensive gear?Of course I would take the nice gear for use. But that's not the situation here. If I had the option of using $10,000 to buy excess military equipment for a game, or maybe using it to pay my bills or giving it to charity (go ahead, call me overly idealistic), I think I'd choose the latter option.


"That's just plain old dangerous. You've obvious taken airsoft way to far"

Not if you wear a gasmask. Way to far? More like, MORE FUN. You have your belief and I have mine.
What happens if your gas mask fails? You didn't tighten it properly? Your filter dies? What, you gonna drop to the ground and think you're not going to get smoke inhalation poisoning? If you think that, I don't know if you realize how much smoke those things really put out, not to mention that in a CQB environment, the initial deployment of the smoke could very well light something on fire.


The only reason you are speaking like this is because of your LACK of money. IF you had the money you may do bigger and better things. I plan to do just that. I dont find it necessary to buy thousands of dollars worth of gear either, but with the potential money at my disposal why not simulate the military at its peak? ITS MORE FUN that way
I'm 14 years old. I have $1200 of money and will probably be getting a job soon. That's more than enough money for airsoft, especially when I don't have to pay bills (yet) or sustain a family. And don't you say anything about my goddamn parents raising me poorly: I obviously turned out better than you.

In any case, I COULD buy $1200 worth of airsoft gear, but I'm not. Why? It's not necessary.


But what I want is a standard of elitism that would be EXTREMELY professional, overwhelming, and intimidating-Not to mention KICK@$$
I'm with Minjin on this one. I would simply laugh until I pass out. Sure, having high-speed gear is cool and all, but when it's $10,000 worth? Overkill. Obsession. Ridiculousness.


But if they were given the choice between wearing their cheap gear and my standard issue gear, which one do you think they would select? It is the sheer LACK of money-once again that is stopping them thinking it is too "ridiculous" to wear the gear theyve always dreamed about. These are the people whos passion isnt primarily airsoft and are not as obsesesed as I am and dont have high goals and dreams to accomplish.
Wow. You just completely lost all respect that I had for you with that statement.

[GearGod]

"But that's not the situation here. If I had the option of using $10,000 to buy excess military equipment for a game, or maybe using it to pay my bills or giving it to charity (go ahead, call me overly idealistic), I think I'd choose the latter option"

But thats not the situation I plan to be in. I plan to have SO MUCH MONEY I would spend it on what you would spend it on and then the leftover money on airsoft gear. I dindt say hey im only going to save up 10k just for airsoft

"you gonna drop to the ground and think you're not going to get smoke inhalation poisoning"

Thanks for increasing my awareness on the subject

"I'm 14 years old. I have $1200 of money and will probably be getting a job soon. That's more than enough money for airsoft, especially when I don't have to pay bills (yet) or sustain a family And don't you say anything about my goddamn parents raising me poorly: I obviously turned out better than you"

Yes I have my faults too. Yes I am corrupted. Becuase of them. And the reason you are is becuase of them also. I, as a religious person, considers profanity unacceptable. There are so many kids I see that lack ethics and morals which are mainly the PARENTS fault

"In any case, I COULD buy $1200 worth of airsoft gear, but I'm not. Why? It's not necessary"

I would say the same exact thing if I had that income. I have other things to do, and spend a minimum amount of money only necessary to play airsoft

"I'm with Minjin on this one. I would simply laugh until I pass out. Sure, having high-speed gear is cool and all, but when it's $10,000 worth? Overkill. Obsession. Ridiculousness"

You have your beliefs, and I have mine

"Wow. You just completely lost all respect that I had for you with that statement"

Oh no what am I going to do

[Minjin]

"It is the sheer LACK of money-once again that is stopping them thinking it is too "ridiculous" to wear the gear theyve always dreamed about. These are the people whos passion isnt primarily airsoft and are not as obsesesed as I am and dont have high goals and dreams to accomplish"
You should have really quit while you may have been close to being ahead. Instead you choose to insult the populace of the boards with that.
All your goals revolve around airsoft? Then you are sadder than I thought. I have real goals, and am actually working toward achieving them. I understand that airsoft is a game, not life, and have a very fulfilling life outside of airsoft.

And I like all things military too, but you sound like you take it to the extent of mountain-man-in-the-hills or sniper-in-a-churchtower proportions.


And if you were to read, you would notice I said HOBBIES, not HOBBY. i.e. I was talking about numerous hobbies, or activities in addition to airsoft.

[GearGod]

"and dont have high goals and dreams to accomplish"

High AIROSFT MILITARY ORIENTED goals and dreams.. If they had other dreams such as being some NFL sports star thats fine.. Im talking about military oriented stuff

"All your goals revolve around airsoft? Then you are sadder than I thought"

Thats my one goal... another is a future family. Am I sad now? Is the CEO of Tokyo Marui sad? What about the CEO of JT Usa #1 paintball company? Thats what I want to do. Whats mainly important to me is 1)Future Family 2)Future Corporation/Friendships thru Airsoft. Mainly the harmony of relashionships with family and friends.

"I have real goals"

So my passion to succeed in the business world is fake goal?

"I understand that airsoft is a game, not life, and have a very fulfilling life outside of airsoft"

But I can make money off of it. Not just airsoft, MILITARY SIMULATIONS whether its making movies/video games... Similar to that of what Tom Clancy does

"you sound like you take it to the extent of mountain-man-in-the-hills or sniper-in-a-churchtower proportions"

Hell Yea

"I was talking about numerous hobbies, or activities in addition to airsoft"

Perhaps skydiving, flying in combat fighter planes, playing my favorite songs on electric guitar, etc. But nothing comes close to MILITARY SIMULATIONS

[Ratamacue]

You can keep your religion to yourself. I'll curse all I want: no one's forcing you to read it. I honestly don't give a rat's ass if I'm "corrupted." This is how I choose to live my life.

And I do have goals, much more realistic ones than yours. Instead of basing my entire life on airsoft, planning on having "SO MUCH MONEY I would spend it on what you would spend it on and then the leftover money on airsoft gear," I want to give back to others. I don't care about having "SO MUCH MONEY." I want to defend your sorry ass so you can have "SO MUCH MONEY I would spend it on what you would spend it on and then the leftover money on airsoft gear" and run your giant airsoft franchise.

I want to do the real thing. I want to protect people. I want to be a US Marine.

You can have your $10,000 worth of gear and guns. You can have your amazingly elite kickass airsoft team of physically fit pseudo-warriors. Go ahead. I'd love to see when you turn 34 and you don't have your amazing fortune, so you join the Army and the Rangers don't accept you. I'd love to see the look on your face. Talk about a Kodak moment.

[David]

adam, why would tokyo marui make you their ceo? it's a japanese company, you're an idiot. what makes you think that you could become ceo of jtusa? you're obviously not that smart and plus it takes time to become a ceo of anything, ever heard of the corporate ladder? you're way too materialistic, you think that having money and tons of toys to play with will bring you happiness but it won't.

[a. enders]

Talk about entertainment! rofl
Get over yourself."poverty mentality" and "lack of money" are just straight up asshole things to say.And I don't give a **** if I get booted for language.Wise up,son.Don't judge til you've walked in anothers shoes.And yes,I realize I'm judging you,but I'm a confirmed atheist and jerk with a bad attitude who accepts his hypocricy.
Obviously your folks did a bang up job.Made you obsessed with wanting to take a game waaaaaaay too serious,a game that simulates KILLING PEOPLE for christs sake.(Nothing against Airsoft,but come on....)
I've tallied up all the high-speed slick badass gear I'd want for Airsoft AND MilSim and it barely breaks two grand.You delude yourelf into thinking having all that "military" crap will make you better.
Bet you bought some Nike's cuz you thought you'd be a better baseball player too......Folks like you made paintball an over bloated game of highspeed paint slinging and bright neon team colors.

[a. enders]

Right.I'll apologize to all the decent thinking common-sense having folks on the board for my rant.Slightly unwieldy and out of hand.But gimme a break,I'm on medication. :|

[GearGod]

"much more realistic ones than yours"

Define realistic

"adam, why would tokyo marui make you their ceo? it's a japanese company, you're an idiot. what makes you think that you could become ceo of jtusa?"

I did not say I wanted to be CEO of those companies. I said I wanted to be CEO of my own military simulations company similar to that.

"and plus it takes time to become a ceo of anything, ever heard of the corporate ladder?"

Masters in Business Administration, and alot of money for a company startup. I wouldnt want to climb a corporate ladder. I would want to start a company as a founder.

"you're way too materialistic, you think that having money and tons of toys to play with will bring you happiness but it won't"

Did you miss my point when I said MAINLY HORMONY IN RELASHIONSHIPS FROM FAMILY AND FRIENDS. YOU OBVIOUSLY DID. Materialistic is an understatement. Tons of toys to play with? More like people to play with. Its all about the people.

"are just straight up asshole things to say"

that is an @hole thing to say. read think and grow rich

"Made you obsessed with wanting to take a game waaaaaaay too serious"

I have a vision for airsoft. What about Football? Its very commercialized and people get paid to play. After all, its only "a game" isnt it?

"You delude yourelf into thinking having all that "military" crap will make you better"

Better in "looks" but not skill

"Bet you bought some Nike's cuz you thought you'd be a better baseball player too"

Looks doesnt dictate skill

"Folks like you made paintball an over bloated game of highspeed paint slinging and bright neon team colors"

I dont believe in that. I believe in MILITARY SIMULATION. You cant say the commercialism of paintball simulates anything military, well exept the fact that they shoot projectiles and use cover

[Hooligan]

Guys, this will never get anywhere, there's nothing anyone can say that will get through to this kid. He is infamous in the airsoft community (as AirSoft Dude) for his deluded fantasy, his general need to get a life and his endless cut-and-paste replies. Responding to him only prolongs the issue as this may well be the only social contact he has. Despite all his talk and big plans there was/is some question as to whether he even plays airsoft. How sad is that - an airsoft poser.

My suggestion would be to just drop it at this point, arguing with him is a waste of time. Now if he starts to hijack other threads, that's another matter which, in my opinion, should be dealt with.

[Trigger]

adam, you're really twisted. You say you're religious, but you worship MONEY, MONEY, MONEY. You have these grand 'goals' but I don't think you have a clue about how to achieve them or about how to interact socially with people in the real world. And last but not least, I'm really tired of reading about how much you think you know about THE MILITARY. STFU, get down to the recruiter's office, sign on the dotted line, and get your REAL GEAR courtesy of Uncle Sam. Put your money where your mouth is and put your ass on the line like many of us here have done, or were willing to do but were medically unable. Until you do, you're nothing but a 'Walt'. What you do with 'real gear' is akin to buying real lingere and flowers, and giving them to a rubber blow up doll. Make it real, keep it real.
Out.

[Trigger]

Hooligan, I agree. You beat me to the post.

[Apogee]

Hey Hood, can we close this string? Kinda seems like a waste to me?

[Minjin]

Hell, now that I know it is the infamous AirsoftDude, lets delete this thread and never speak of it again. If I had known it was that wonderful personality that was typing, I would have ignored him. Honestly I am surprised he puts up with as much flaming as he does.

[GearGod]

"you worship MONEY, MONEY, MONEY"

People means much more to me than money. The entire so-called airsoft fantasy revolves around people and cant be done without other people. Money just enables me to do bigger and better things with other people, such as playing EXTREME airsoft

"I don't think you have a clue about how to achieve them"

How would I acquire money to start a company/business/corporation? By Income Producing Assets i.e. Small non-military business ventures, Investing, Real Estate, Stock Market, etc. RichDad.com for more info. Where would I get the knowledge to run such a business? 1)Consultants 2)Masters in Business Administration.

Although I havent fully figured everything out, I know that setting up airsoft/paintball fields like challegepark.com isnt impossible, making movies like tom clancy isnt impossible, making airsoft guns like tokyo marui isnt impossible, and making video games like tom clancy isnt impossible. It can be done. It has been done. My so-called fantasy is already a reality in some peoples lives. I just want to combine those elements and be an authority on Military Simulations.

"or about how to interact socially with people in the real world"

My active status on the internet doesnt determine/dictate if I'm socially active in the real world.

"And last but not least, I'm really tired of reading about how much you think you know about THE MILITARY"

Did I say something wrong? If I did say something wrong, perhaps you should have taken the time to correct my mistakes so I shall learn from them. Someone changed my perspective on the smoke grenade in CQB issue.

"STFU"

Once again, I dont appreaciate such language

"get down to the recruiter's office, sign on the dotted line, and get yourEAL GEAR courtesy of Uncle Sam"

I woudl then have the potential of getting in a real firefight and possibly get injured. The injury potential for the rest of my life, to me, isnt worth it. Thats why my passion is SIMULATIONS

"you're nothing but a 'Walt"

Cool

"What you do with 'real gear' is akin to buying real lingere and flowers, and giving them to a rubber blow up doll. Make it real, keep it real.
Out"

I like Military Simulations. Put it this way, even if I do join the US Army and NOT participate in a real firefight, we would do SIMULATIONS i.e. Simunitions/MILES/Live Fire. Thats all we would do, SIMULATIONS. Yes, we would also do live fire exercises, but they arent against real humans and real bullets arent being shot at you. US MIlitary is Simulating, and so are airsofters. If one wanted to do live fire exercises, the only thing stopping him is having a full automatic capability but thats about it. And its sure as heck NOT impossible to play with MILES/Simunitions in the civilian world-IF you had the money

"there's nothing anyone can say that will get through to this kid"

What are you trying to "get through me"? The only thing you are doing is discouraging me.

"his general need to get a life"

The day I consider myself having a life is when I play airsoft. I need to make some money in order to do that. Some may call me lazy? Ever heard of the DEPRESSION factor? Apparently not

"as this may well be the only social contact he has"

Im a high school student. The only social contact? I think otherwise

"there was/is some question as to whether he even plays airsoft. How sad is that - an airsoft poser"

Right now Im waiting for the snow to melt. I will then go play w/ airsoftohio.com. Airsoft poser? I have an M4A1 and MP5KPDW

[Merik]

Dude,just join the army and do the real thing.Alot better. ;)

[GearGod]

You know what, I need to quit wasting my time on stuff thats not going to make me any money

[Ratamacue]

People means much more to me than money...


You know what, I need to quit wasting my time on stuff thats not going to make me any money

I love hypocrites.

All your amazing knowledge about the Military means nothing unless you're willing to actually get in the thick of it and give something back to your country, rather than making silly lists of all the amazing gear you're going to get when you're a rich 35 year old CEO of an airsoft monopoly.

Ooorah. Get real.

[Jedi]

FYI, as I remember correctly, he can't join the military, he isn't even a US Citizen.

[GearGod]

"I love hypocrites"

Incorrect. Which is more fun? Chatting on a board or actually going out there and playing with real people? If I made money instead of wasting my time on a board I will come in CONTACT with those people faster. What this translates to is that I'd spend my time playing airsoft with real people than posting messages on a board. Either way, if I stay here chatting or making money... Its still about the people.. Look BEYOND money

"All your amazing knowledge about the Military means nothing unless you're willing to actually get in the thick of it and give something back to your country, rather than making silly lists of all the amazing gear you're going to get when you're a rich 35 year old CEO of an airsoft monopoly"

I like that idea of being a rich CEO of an airsoft monopoly than doing the real thing. I guess its pretty much about personal preference is it not?

"Get real"

But even if I do, what if I dont goto combat? That would be almost on the same level as simulating i.e. not getting in harms way, just training and playing war games WITHOUT any real danger

"he isn't even a US Citizen"

Correct. I am an alien from Malaysia. Listen guys I have learned, theres not going to be any offensive stuff from me anymore.. If theres ever going to be any offensive stuff its not going to come from me

[Ratamacue]

So basically what you're saying is that having money will get you friends? Oooookay.

Basically what you're saying is that if you're not owning your amazing airsoft monopoly by the time you're 35, you're going to join the Army so that you can play wargames?

You're going to join the Army so you can play wargames? You're fvcking pathetic. The reason you join the Army is either to straighten yourself up or to serve your country, not so you can be a parasite using MILES gear to play wargames.

You really need to get your priorities straight. You seem to be living in your own little fantasy world, from what I can tell.

[GearGod]

"So basically what you're saying is that having money will get you friends? Oooookay"

Whats wrong with that?

"Basically what you're saying is that if you're not owning your amazing airsoft monopoly by the time you're 35, you're going to join the Army so that you can play wargames"

Perhaps, but I were to get into real combat it would be kick@$$ experiece if I dont get permanently injured/killed

"You're going to join the Army so you can play wargames?"

Yes and do all that fun stuff with military weapons and gear

"You're fvcking pathetic"

First of all I dont appreaicate the language, Ive said this before. I dont like being reminded of the corruption of society. Second, you couldve been more "nicer" in saying that i.e. you couldve said "Well Adam, I understand that people join the army for different reasons. Some for fun, some for help with college, some to serve their country, some to take revenge on Osama for killing their family/friend(s) in 9/11, etc. I guess what you would join the Army for is fun, which is a fun job by the way to be in infantry" But you had to use profanity and say "pathetic". Ask people who joined up in the infantry if its fun, if they tell you no.. In my honest opinion they SHOULD be doing something fun to get paid

"The reason you join the Army is either to straighten yourself up or to serve your country"

Different people have different beleifs and opinions. Thats what makes everyone special. Yes, that is ONE OF the reasons one would join the Army, but everyone has their own reasons. So what if I wanted to join for fun? I would still be AUTOMATICALLY serving my country and straighten myeslf up anyway. Once again, I dont appreaicate such negative and offensive language just for my reason/beleif.

"not so you can be a parasite using MILES gear to play wargames"

So what if you think Im a parasite? Would I refuse to engage in real combat? In my honest opinion I dont think it would make a difference.

"You really need to get your priorities straight"

My priority is enjoying life

"You seem to be living in your own little fantasy world, from what I can tell"

I like to enjoy life. Do you like to enjoy life? From what I can tell you seem more patriotic than fun, which isnt necessarily a bad thing considering that whats important to one individual isnt the same as everyone else. Conclusion: Dont use such language, I havent. Why should you?

[...]

You are in for a mighty big surprise if you ever join the military. You keep mentioning profanity yet I have not seen any. You want to hear and see people acting in a real profane manor join the military. They do not call it swearing like a sailor for nothing.

[Ratamacue]

Why should I? Because I'm not a religious man, and I don't like being told that I'm not allowed to speak as I wish. I don't say you have to use profanity. I would appreciate that you don't tell me to stop using it. When you go to basic, what are you going to do? Politely ask your senior drill instructor to stop cursing because you find it offensive? Good luck.

As for what's wrong with money buying friends, it's just plain not true. Anyone who is friends with you because you have money is extremely shallow and is a complete idiot.'

Yeah, combat would be a grand experience if you didn't get wounded. Instead your buddy gets his foot blown off by a mine, your squad leader is shot in the chest by a sniper, and an artillery barrage wipes out half your platoon. Grand ol' time.

[David]

foreigners get to america and want to live the american dream, which in his case he believes would be getting rich and buying tons of **** and perhaps serving the u.s. like a real american. i've seen it first hand and it gets really annoying after a while, i don't understand it, i'm a real american and i don't want the american dream, i just wanna destroy everything.
i hope he does join the infantry, we always need more bullet sponges.

[GearGod]

"You keep mentioning profanity yet I have not seen any"

Look harder

"As for what's wrong with money buying friends, it's just plain not true. Anyone who is friends with you because you have money is extremely shallow and is a complete idiot"

No but to join/start an airsoft club you would need some airsoft equipment would you not? I think the best thing to do with friends is something we'd all enjoy. A "common interest" if you will, and I beleive Ive found that in airsoft. Just becuase the sport is a little pricey, doesnt mean your buying friends. Wouldnt high school football players have to pay for their own equipment if they werent "issued" it by the school? For those who dont have such a priveledge, they must use their own money to pay for the equipment

"i'm a real american and i don't want the american dream, i just wanna destroy everything"

I think the so-called american dream means different things to different people.. I think as long as you are 100% satisfied and happy with your life you ARE living the american dream. I have yet to see such a day.