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He219
08-12-2004, 08:16 AM
Rats! Bugs in the code. I've gotto go right now. Somebody figure out what's wrong. Thanks!
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http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=662688
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Afghan women clad in burqas choose clothes at a street stall as a French soldier from the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) patrols the market on the outskirts of Kabul, Afghanistan Thursday, Aug.12, 2004. The European Union's five-nation Eurocorps has taken over command from Canada of the NATO-led peacekeeping force in Afghanistan, ISAF, on Aug. 9. Its immediate task will be to boost security ahead of October's presidential election.
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Maj. Gen. Sriyanto Muntrasan, foreground, who currently commands the elite Indonesian special forces, salutes to journalists after the judges acquitted him during his trial at the central court in Jakarta, Indonesia, Thursday, Aug. 12, 2004. A special human rights court ruled Thursday that Indonesia's special forces chief was not guilty of ordering the killings of 23 anti-government demonstrators in a clash two decades ago.
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ATHENS, GREECE - AUGUST 11: Armed Greek police officers stand guard outside the Olympic Stadium two days before the start of the 2004 Olympic Games August 11, 2004 in Athens, Greece. The Olympic Games start August 13.
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SUNGNAM, SOUTH KOREA - AUGUST 12: U.S. soldiers stand behind the monument for two U.S. soldiers, Chief Warrant Officer David W. Snow and Capt. Kevin M. Norman, during a memorial ceremony at a U.S. Airbase on August 12, 2004 in Sungnam , South Korea. The ceremony is to commemorate the pilots who lost their own lives as they steered their stricken craft away from a populated area and into a field.
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BEERSHEVA, ISRAEL: An Israeli soldier is taken to hospital in the southern Israeli city of Beersheva 12 August 2004 after he was wounded by a Palestinian sniper fire at Philadelphi corridor on the Egyptian border in the southern Gaza Strip, according to security sources. Israeli army bulldozers demolished 15 houses in nearby Rafah early in the morning, Palestinian security sources said
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BAGHDAD, IRAQ: Iraqi Shiite Muslims carry a banner reading "Islam is the religion of peace" as several thousand people demonstrate in Baghdad's Shiite neighborhood of Kazemiya 12 August 2004 against the US-backed Iraqi offensive on militiamen loyal to radical Shiite cleric Moqtada Sadr in the holy city of Najaf. US warplanes led an assault on Shiite militia in the heart of Najaf after US troops and Iraqi forces sealed entrances to the Imam Ali mausoleum in the old city as hundreds of residents fled. At least five civilians were killed and six militiamen injured, according to Sadr spokesman Sheikh Ahmed al-Shaibani, who claimed that the cleric's Mehdi Army militia had destroyed at least two US armored vehicles and killed several soldiers in the fighting.
http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=662687
"Till your last drop of Blood"
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Shiite demonstrators hold banners bearing slogans against coalition troops and in support of Radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, as heavy gun battles resonated throughout the holy city of Najaf, at a protest in Basra, southern Iraq on Thursday, Aug. 12, 2004. U.S. forces launched a major offensive to crush a militia loyal to radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. The fighting between U.S. forces and al-Sadr's Mahdi Army militia began in Najaf a week ago and has spread to other Shiite areas of the country
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An American soldier frisks an Iraqi man at a security checkpoint set by American soldiers as the sound of heavy gun battles resonated throughout the holy city of Najaf in southern Iraq on Thursday, Aug. 12, 2004. U.S. forces launched a major offensive to crush a militia loyal to radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. The fighting between U.S. forces and al-Sadr's Mahdi Army militia began here a week ago and has spread to other Shiite areas of the country
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An American soldier stands guard next to detained Iraqi men as the sound of heavy gun battles resonated throughout the holy city of Najaf in southern Iraq on Thursday, Aug. 12, 2004.
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Iraqis pile up food and other goods on trailers carrying aid for citizens living in Najaf, as heavy gun battles resonated throughout the holy city, moments before the vehicles in the convoy left Baghdad and began their trip to the south, in Iraq Thursday, Aug. 12, 2004. U.S. forces launched a major offensive to crush a militia loyal to radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. The fighting between U.S. forces and al-Sadr's Mahdi Army militia began in Najaf a week ago and has spread to other Shiite areas of the country
http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=662695
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New Iraqi Police officers marches in front flags of the countrys taking part of training of the Iraqi police during a graduation ceremony at the Jordanian International Police Training Center in Muwaqqar 35 kilometers (22 miles) east of the capital Amman, Jordan, Thursday Aug. 12, 2004. A group of 668 Iraqi police recruits finished an eight-week training course in Jordan Thursday and prepared to return home to help restore law and order in postwar Iraq.
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TAIZHOU, CHINA: Chinese frontier defence officers and soldiers help with preparations for typhoon evecuation in Taizhou, 12 August 2004, along the Zhejiang province coast in southeast China. Nearly 300,000 people were evacuated from coastal areas as the strongest storm in seven years bore down on eastern China. Typhoon Rananim is expected to slam into Zhejiang province late Thursday or early Friday, meteorological officials said.

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Filipino soldiers being trained by U.S. army experts simulate a combat live-fire maneuver during training in a remote village in the port city of Zamboanga in the southern Philippines, August 12, 2004. U.S. military experts are training Filipino soldiers on counter-terrorism warfare in different parts of the war-torn Mindanao island as part of a security assistance program of the U.S. government

mack pl
08-12-2004, 08:21 AM
http://www.irak.pap.pl/cgi-bin/obrazek.pl?ID=1351&typ=Zdjecie
http://www.irak.pap.pl/cgi-bin/obrazek.pl?ID=1350&typ=Zdjecie
http://www.irak.pap.pl/cgi-bin/obrazek.pl?ID=1349&typ=Zdjecie
An-Najaf

hmmm, ok check this link if you want to see pics above
http://www.irak.pap.pl/cgi-bin/irak.pl?grupa=1&dzien=0&ID=12147

Raistlin
08-12-2004, 09:20 AM
Did someone update the php code? It doesn't like ? and & in image tags anymore. And you can't use HTML code to put the images manually...

Herrmannek
08-12-2004, 09:58 AM
Mybe hood mad some software upgrades and didn't set everything yet. I think version of phpbb chabged from 2.0.6 to 2.0.10

aartamen
08-12-2004, 10:59 AM
Muktada is in the Ali mosque and surrounded.


12.08.04 Nadzaf (PAP) - Sily amerykanskie i irackie otoczyly w czwartek w Nadzafie radykalnego duchownego szyickiego Muktade al-Sadra i setki jego bojowników w meczecie imama Alego.
W promieniu 200 metrów od meczetu powstal hermetyczny pierscien z zapór betonowych i drutu kolczastego. Reporter niemieckiej agencji prasowej dpa, który jest wewnatrz tego kregu informuje, ze pierwsza linie na zewnatrz pierscienia tworza sily amerykanskie, a druga - irackie. Sadra widziano na terenie meczetu w otoczeniu bojowników jego milicji - Armii Mahdiego.

Poprzedniego dnia Sadr powiedzial swoim ludziom, ze maja kontynuowac walke, nawet gdyby on sam zostal pojmany lub zginal.

Reuter informuje, ze samoloty amerykanskie bombardowaly cele w poblizu domu Sadra w Nadzafie. W tej samej okolicy dochodzi do gwaltownych starc sadrystów z amerykanskimi marines (zolnierzami piechoty morskiej).

mack pl
08-12-2004, 11:08 AM
translate it now :lol:

aartamen
08-12-2004, 11:28 AM
My Polish is not as good as it's never been.

Old Hickory
08-12-2004, 11:29 AM
Here some pics from some International news sites, sorry no captions.
http://photo.worldnews.com/PhotoArchive//2004/08/10/0eb2915e99012c6de16b07af6b4cf5ad-large.jpg
VZ-58!
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FDF_Hemppis
08-12-2004, 11:31 AM
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New Iraqi Police officers marches in front flags of the countrys taking part of training of the Iraqi police during a graduation ceremony at the Jordanian International Police Training Center in Muwaqqar 35 kilometers (22 miles) east of the capital Amman, Jordan, Thursday Aug. 12, 2004. A group of 668 Iraqi police recruits finished an eight-week training course in Jordan Thursday and prepared to return home to help restore law and order in postwar Iraq.


Huh? It seems like a Finnish flag on the picture...

I had no idea that Finnish cops were there! :oops:

thatguy96
08-12-2004, 11:57 AM
http://photo.worldnews.com/PhotoArchive//2004/08/08/4c30fbf39ca78febec068db5432a802f-medium.jpg
M1919A6 without the stock? Man, if someone were to catalog the weapons used by insurgents the world over, it'd be simply amazing what would be on that list.

He219
08-12-2004, 12:18 PM
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An Iraqi pushes a Shiite woman in a wheel chair past American armoured vehicles lining up on the streets, while civilians flee amid heavy gun battles resonating throughout the holy city of Najaf in southern Iraq on Thursday, Aug. 12, 2004. U.S. forces launched a major offensive to crush a militia loyal to radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. The fighting between U.S. forces and al-Sadr's Mahdi Army militia began here a week ago and has spread to other Shiite areas of the country
http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=662824

Smoke billows over the the skyline as the sound of heavy gun battles resonates throughout the holy city of Najaf in southern Iraq Thursday, Aug. 12, 2004. U.S. forces launched a major offensive to crush a militia loyal to radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. The fighting between U.S. forces and al-Sadr's Mahdi Army militia began here a week ago and has spread to other Shiite areas of the country.
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NAJAF, IRAQ: An Iraqi looks at US tanks in position in the city of Najaf 12 August 2004. US warplanes led an assault on Moqtada Sadr's Shiite militia in the heart of the holy Shiite city after US troops and Iraqi forces sealed off the sacred Imam Ali mausoleum in the old city where fighters holding out vowed no letup. At least five civilians were killed and six militiamen injured, according to Sheikh Ahmed al-Shaibani, spokesman for Sadr, who claimed that the radical cleric's Mehdi Army militia had destroyed at least two US armored vehicles and killed several soldiers in the fighting.
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A militiaman loyal to radical Shiite Muslim cleric Moqtada Sadr mans an anti-aircraft gun in Najaf 12 August 2004. US warplanes led an assault on Moqtada Sadr's Shiite militia in the heart of Najaf after US troops and Iraqi forces sealed off the sacred Imam Ali mausoleum in the old city where fighters holding out vowed no letup.
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BAGHDAD, IRAQ: US military helicopters circle around smoke billowing from buildings in Baghdad's central Haifa street 12 August 2004 as the US military pounded what appeared to be insurgent positions in central Baghdad, as explosions rocked the capital and US warplanes flew overhead. US tanks had blocked off the entry to Haifa street on Baghdad's west side, as heavy gunfire echoed across the district and thick black smoke billowed into the air. At least three US helicopters were seen hovering overhead as US warplanes screeched through the sky.
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The day of memory of the "Kursk" submarine crew in Vidyaevo

Wilco
08-12-2004, 01:22 PM
It likes the tags, but it doesn't like it when what your trying to doesn't have .jpg/.bmp/.gif/.tga/.etc.....

Herrmannek
08-12-2004, 01:40 PM
It likes the tags, but it doesn't like it when what your trying to doesn't have .jpg/.bmp/.gif/.tga/.etc.....
it worked even without file extension at the end of link.. I'm sure those are temporal problems

Loco
08-12-2004, 01:45 PM
http://estaticos.elmundo.es/elmundo/fotosdeldia/2004/08/12/1092267999_extras_fotos_del_dia_0.jpg
The Kale Borroka(street fightings) it´s back in the beauty S.Sebastián, Spain(basque country). Organized group of masked youths attacked with molotov cocktail patrols of Ertzantza police during celebrations of Semana Grande(the fiestas of S.Sebastian). About ten injured people.

http://www.diario-elcorreo.es/vizcaya/interactivo/imagenes_del_dia/imagenes/madreiraquipena2004.jpg
An Iraqi woman mourns the dead of her son, killed in the middle of the fights between american forces and Al Sader supporters in Bagdad.

el_kab0ng
08-12-2004, 03:44 PM
http://www.diario-elcorreo.es/vizcaya/interactivo/imagenes_del_dia/imagenes/madreiraquipena2004.jpg
An Iraqi woman mourns the dead of her son, killed in the middle of the fights between american forces and Al Sader supporters in Bagdad.

Interesting way to mourn. ;)

He219
08-12-2004, 03:58 PM
Basrah policemen start defecting to Moqtada al Sadr.
No wonder Saddam murdered these guys wholesale ...

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040812/i/r3893203735.jpg

Iraqi police officers chant after joining the Mehdi army militia of radical Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al Sadr, in the southern city of Basra, August 12, 2004. U.S. Marines, backed by tanks and aircraft, seized the heart of the holy Iraqi city of Najaf on Thursday in a major assault on Shi'ite rebels, but they kept out of a site sacred to millions of Shi'ites around the world.
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http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040812/capt.bag12908121811.iraq_najaf_bag129.jpg
Anglo looking chap in there ...
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040812/capt.bag12408121807.iraq_najaf_bag124.jpg
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An Iraqi police officer chants after joining the Mehdi army militia of radical Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al Sadr, in the southern city of Basra, August 12, 2004. U.S. Marines, backed by tanks and aircraft, seized the heart of the holy Iraqi city of Najaf Thursday in a major assault on Shi'ite rebels, but they kept out of a site sacred to millions of Shi'ites around the world
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Iraqi police officers chant after joining the Mehdi army militia of radical Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al Sadr, in the southern city of Basra August 12, 2004.
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U.S. Army troops detain suspects after raiding the Iraqi city of Najaf, August 12, 2004. U.S. Marines backed by tanks and aircraft seized the heart of the holy Iraqi city of Najaf Thursday in a major assault on Shi'ite rebels, but they kept out of a site sacred to millions of Shi'ites around the world.


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A Georgian soldier accompanies local residents leaving their village for fear of being trapped in fighting between Georgian and separatist forces in Vanati, Georgia, 12 miles south of Tskhinvali, Thursday, Aug. 12, 2004. Georgian and separatist forces exchanged heavy fire for a second straight day in breakaway South Ossetia on Thursday, and Georgian officials said at least three Georgian members of a peacekeeping force in the region were killed.
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Russian peacekeepers stand on guard on a road near the Georgian village of Tkviavi, close to the South Ossetia region, August 12, 2004. Artillery fire killed three Georgians, and a hospital and villages in South Ossetia were damaged early on Thursday in a violent escalation of Georgia's dispute with its breakaway province
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mack pl
08-12-2004, 04:05 PM
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http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/2225/z2225065G.jpg
What type of mortars they are using-60mm :roll:
http://www.irak.pap.pl/cgi-bin/obrazek.pl?ID=1358&typ=Zdjecie

aartamen
08-12-2004, 04:05 PM
Not only they are traitorous, they are also dumb as goldfish. Excellent time they picked to switch sides.

el_kab0ng
08-12-2004, 04:08 PM
Basrah policemen start defecting to Moqtada al Sadr.
No wonder Saddam murdered these guys wholesale ...

Seems to be all they understand.

"We can't read, write or feed our families...but we can listen to the only guy who can and do what he tells us no matter what the consequences!" I honestly don't believe the Iraqi people can think for themselves..

Every day I have more and more respect for the Kurds and the Afghani's and less for the Iraqi people.

He219
08-12-2004, 04:09 PM
^ Not Iraqis in general, but the Shi'ite followers of Moqtada. That's why the Sunnis were in charge before. Moqtada answers to Iran.

A little Close Air Support on that Basrah al Sadr rally seems in order ...

bssr107
08-12-2004, 04:12 PM
http://www.diario-elcorreo.es/vizcaya/interactivo/imagenes_del_dia/imagenes/madreiraquipena2004.jpg
An Iraqi woman mourns the dead of her son, killed in the middle of the fights between american forces and Al Sader supporters in Bagdad.

Interesting way to mourn. ;)

Are ya mocking a mother's grief? Regardless of whatever craps that inspire you to put out that one liner, she is really suffering, can't you see?

Fee Fi Fo Fum
08-12-2004, 04:13 PM
wow i dont believe they have changed sides! the traitorous scum bags! it makes you think how many of them we can trust! they will pay.......!

He219
08-12-2004, 04:19 PM
wow i dont believe they have changed sides! the traitorous scum bags! it makes you think how many of them we can trust! they will pay.......!
No just that we can trust, but more importantly that any new Iraqi regieme in Baghdad can trust.

Many did the same in April. I believe the ING has better allegance to the new government. The police were prolly hired with little oversight just to get beat cops out on the street. Obviously it didn't work - again.

The ING and Police need to be loyal to any regieme in Baghdad, whichever is ELECTED, and not to their local hotheaded cleric.

Show no quarter with these opportunists.

Siddar
08-12-2004, 04:40 PM
In a way its a good thing they defected its better to get rid of those people then to leave them in police. Better to have 50 cops you can trust then have 100 you cant.

Pille1234
08-12-2004, 04:41 PM
The ING and Police need to be loyal to any regieme in Baghdad, whichever is ELECTED, and not to their local hotheaded cleric.

Show no quarter with these opportunists.
Welcome to the middle east! Don't believe you change 1000 years of tradition that easy.
Btw we see the same in Afghanistan, but we accept it at the moment because the kabul government is too weak to challange the warlords. Just don't expect the afghan army to be loyal to kabul when it comes to a battle between Karzai and the soldier's lords.

He219
08-12-2004, 05:00 PM
Welcome to the middle east! Don't believe you change 1000 years of tradition that easy.
Actually, the majority of Shias follow Sistani. Moqtada is just a hothead, his followers need to be weeded out. They are destroying the infrastructure that was just being rebuilt. Iran is behind Moatada. What 'traditions' were you referring to?

The ANA seems to be quite professional. Last I heard, Abdul Rashid Dostum and Ismail Khan were unwilling to contribute their 'own' malitiamen. Cite me an example of how 'we are seeing the same in Afghanistan'.
:D

Bulkowski
08-12-2004, 05:43 PM
Iraqi police officers chant after joining the Mehdi army militia of radical Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al Sadr, in the southern city of Basra, August 12, 2004. U.S. Marines, backed by tanks and aircraft, seized the heart of the holy Iraqi city of Najaf on Thursday in a major assault on Shi'ite rebels, but they kept out of a site sacred to millions of Shi'ites around the world.
:o... :roll:

wulfstan
08-12-2004, 06:06 PM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040812/capt.bag12908121811.iraq_najaf_bag129.jpg

You think that guy looks Anglo, have you ever seen a Northern European person?

Double Tap
08-12-2004, 06:23 PM
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He219
08-12-2004, 06:41 PM
Excellent job, DT!
:D

wulfstan
08-12-2004, 06:48 PM
http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/08/11/international/11cnd-najaf.1.650.jpg

That is definitely a woman, look how slender her hands are on that rifle, imagine how a militiaman would feel if he knew he'd been slotted by an American woman?

uTu
08-12-2004, 06:49 PM
WOW, yeah great pics Double Tap.
Can't find My Crackistan anywhere on any map :)

As for those traitorous Policemen, Go USA GO! and all the loyal Iraqis fighting for freedom/democracy. I feel so lame sitting at my desk while these guys/girls are fighting it out. :oops:

el_kab0ng
08-12-2004, 07:01 PM
http://www.diario-elcorreo.es/vizcaya/interactivo/imagenes_del_dia/imagenes/madreiraquipena2004.jpg
An Iraqi woman mourns the dead of her son, killed in the middle of the fights between american forces and Al Sader supporters in Bagdad.

Interesting way to mourn. ;)

Are ya mocking a mother's grief? Regardless of whatever craps that inspire you to put out that one liner, she is really suffering, can't you see?

She is suffering because her son was a moron to take on the US. They have a choice in the matter and that choice is clear. If you fight the US, you will die a violent death. I don't have any sympathy for misguided aggression that will inevitably result in the loss of life.

Now if she plans to show her ****ies as an act of mourning, that's just plain weird and deserved my comment.

"We mock what we do not understand!" - Spies Like Us

bloddyaxe
08-12-2004, 07:05 PM
She is suffering because her son was a moron to take on the US. They have a choice in the matter and that choice is clear. If you fight the US, you will die a violent death. I don't have any sympathy for misguided aggression that will inevitably result in the loss of life.

Now if she plans to show her ****ies as an act of mourning, that's just plain weird and deserved my comment.


Not that it matters much, since these people are filthy arabic infidels, but that guy might have been collateral damage and not intending at all to slaugter a couple'a'dozen americans...

GrimmyRX
08-12-2004, 07:06 PM
http://www.diario-elcorreo.es/vizcaya/interactivo/imagenes_del_dia/imagenes/madreiraquipena2004.jpg
An Iraqi woman mourns the dead of her son, killed in the middle of the fights between american forces and Al Sader supporters in Bagdad.

Interesting way to mourn. ;)

Are ya mocking a mother's grief? Regardless of whatever craps that inspire you to put out that one liner, she is really suffering, can't you see?

She is suffering because her son was a moron to take on the US. They have a choice in the matter and that choice is clear. If you fight the US, you will die a violent death. I don't have any sympathy for misguided aggression that will inevitably result in the loss of life.

Now if she plans to show her ****ies as an act of mourning, that's just plain weird and deserved my comment.

"We mock what we do not understand!" - Spies Like Us

Yeah, and if a mother's son decided to go, get drunk, then crash his car into a tree, killing himself, should the mother's grief be laughable just because of her son's stupitity?

Hell the caption reads "Killed IN THE MIDDLE OF FIGHTS" He might not have even BEEN fighting.

el_kab0ng
08-12-2004, 07:09 PM
Yeah, and if a mother's son decided to go, get drunk, then crash his car into a tree, killing himself, should the mother's grief be laughable just because of her son's stupitity?

In a sense, yes. Removal from the gene pool due to stupidity is what keeps balance in the force. Being responsible for one's actions is a fact of life, and if you choose to be stupid, you won't last long. (Especially in a contested area)

GrimmyRX
08-12-2004, 07:12 PM
Yeah, and if a mother's son decided to go, get drunk, then crash his car into a tree, killing himself, should the mother's grief be laughable just because of her son's stupitity?

In a sense, yes. Removal from the gene pool due to stupidity is what keeps balance in the force. Being responsible for one's actions is a fact of life, and if you choose to be stupid, you won't last long. (Especially in a contested area)

*cough* in a sense eh? So, would this Sense alow you to go up to that mother and say: "Lady, the death of your son removes a gene too stupid to live from the gene pool, never mind that everyone makes mistakes, and that he could have been the best guy most people have ever met. And thus, your grief is laughable. Your son deserved to die."

catchv22
08-12-2004, 07:26 PM
All humans are equal, we just choose not to view some as humans anymore...

Regardless of their choices, they are still people and the son's death may have been necessary, but to poke fun at a serious thing as death isn't funny.

bssr107
08-12-2004, 07:38 PM
http://www.diario-elcorreo.es/vizcaya/interactivo/imagenes_del_dia/imagenes/madreiraquipena2004.jpg
An Iraqi woman mourns the dead of her son, killed in the middle of the fights between american forces and Al Sader supporters in Bagdad.

Interesting way to mourn. ;)

Are ya mocking a mother's grief? Regardless of whatever craps that inspire you to put out that one liner, she is really suffering, can't you see?

She is suffering because her son was a moron to take on the US. They have a choice in the matter and that choice is clear. If you fight the US, you will die a violent death. I don't have any sympathy for misguided aggression that will inevitably result in the loss of life.

Now if she plans to show her ****ies as an act of mourning, that's just plain weird and deserved my comment.

"We mock what we do not understand!" - Spies Like Us


She is suffering because her son was a moron to take on the US. They have a choice in the matter and that choice is clear. If you fight the US, you will die a violent death.
That's exactly how a bully would justify his case. So much for your "Iraqi freedom".


I don't have any sympathy for misguided aggression that will inevitably result in the loss of life.

Who's the aggressor here?

Now if she plans to show her ****ies as an act of mourning, that's just plain weird and deserved my comment.

Your mother would hardly know if she is smiling or crying or whatever way she is behaving, if she see your bloodied body ,shredded in peices and lying in a pool of blood.

"We mock what we do not understand!" - Spies Like Us
That's exactly what an idiot would, no suprise.

seruriermarshal
08-12-2004, 07:39 PM
http://www.diario-elcorreo.es/vizcaya/interactivo/imagenes_del_dia/imagenes/madreiraquipena2004.jpg
An Iraqi woman mourns the dead of her son, killed in the middle of the fights between american forces and Al Sader supporters in Bagdad.

Interesting way to mourn. ;)

Are ya mocking a mother's grief? Regardless of whatever craps that inspire you to put out that one liner, she is really suffering, can't you see?

She is suffering because her son was a moron to take on the US. They have a choice in the matter and that choice is clear. If you fight the US, you will die a violent death. I don't have any sympathy for misguided aggression that will inevitably result in the loss of life.

Now if she plans to show her ****ies as an act of mourning, that's just plain weird and deserved my comment.

"We mock what we do not understand!" - Spies Like Us


She is suffering because her son was a moron to take on the US. They have a choice in the matter and that choice is clear. If you fight the US, you will die a violent death.
That's exactly how a bully would justify his case. So much for your "Iraqi freedom".


I don't have any sympathy for misguided aggression that will inevitably result in the loss of life.

Who's the aggressor here?

Now if she plans to show her ****ies as an act of mourning, that's just plain weird and deserved my comment.

Your mother would hardly know if she is smiling or crying or whatever way she is behaving, if she see your bloodied body ,shredded in peices and lying in a pool of blood.

"We mock what we do not understand!" - Spies Like Us
That's exactly what an idiot would, no suprise.

Perhaps Sadr can give you an answer .

kinghk
08-12-2004, 07:42 PM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040812/capt.bag12908121811.iraq_najaf_bag129.jpg[img]

You think [i]that guy looks Anglo, have you ever seen a Northern European person?

WTF is Anglo?

I'm Northern European. Do I look like one?

One?
08-12-2004, 07:50 PM
Mocking the dead again eh?

I want to see your face when your brother is blown to pieces because he happened to be at the wrong place and at the wrong time. Then we would all laugh our asses off and point at you. Where you laughing and pointing when civilians where jumping out of the 60th floor?



If you ever wonder why there are terrorists out there, its because of people like you!

Catch22
08-12-2004, 07:55 PM
el_kab0ng, I think your comment was simply inapropriate - I'm not trying to be offensive but anyways you seem to don't understand the situation, the cultural diffrences and so. I've met before with numerous pictures and examples of such mourning rites. Arabic culture and its expressions are diffrent from our western heritage - there's certain exageration in them we usually find strange, confusing or least - annoying. Tearing their clotes, pulling out their hair, openly cry and lament is a common way for a women way to mourn in this culture - and this photo shows it straight. No comments needed - funny or else :|

Sadly you seem to percieve only a big breasted elder woman next to some bag which probably contains what's left of her beloved son... well I dont have much pity to spare on every dead Iraqi - Sadrist or not - but I'd abstand form making questionable comments about human suffering anyway. There are simply things we shouldn't laugh at - use your common sense next time.

It's the metaphisics you know - in a certain sense you are this dead boy on the photo. :roll:

Undo
08-12-2004, 07:55 PM
If you ever wonder why there are terrorists out there, its because of people like you!

Dumbest thing I have ever read.

"This one western guy I ran into on the internet was an insensetive jerk. I should strap a bunch of tnt to myself and kill some civilians. Allahu Ackbar!"


Truly a watershed moment in internet history.

bssr107
08-12-2004, 07:57 PM
Mocking the dead again eh?

I want to see your face when your brother is blown to pieces because he happened to be at the wrong place and at the wrong time. Then we would all laugh our asses off and point at you. Where you laughing and pointing when civilians where jumping out of the 60th floor?



If you ever wonder why there are terrorists out there, its because of people like you!
Yes, 9/11 was one of the saddest moment in human history.

Not a SINGLE Iraqi was on any of those planes. Perhaps marines landed on the wrong side of the border, I guess.

pfclee
08-12-2004, 07:58 PM
http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/08/11/international/11cnd-najaf.1.650.jpg

That is definitely a woman, look how slender her hands are on that rifle, imagine how a militiaman would feel if he knew he'd been slotted by an American woman?

Don't think so.

US armed forces are not allowing any woman on the combat-related jobs yet... i could be wrong but im almost positive...

Plus that... that's the calvary unit... and a scoped sniper rifle... Haven't seen any woman with a scoped sniper rifle in the US military pictures ever in my life yet.

ROY H
08-12-2004, 08:21 PM
He just looks like a small guy , plus as the person above me stated women are not ALLOWED in combat areas the only way a women can get around this is to become a MP (Military Police).

Thucydides
08-12-2004, 08:23 PM
http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/08/11/international/11cnd-najaf.1.650.jpg

That is definitely a woman, look how slender her hands are on that rifle, imagine how a militiaman would feel if he knew he'd been slotted by an American woman?

Don't think so.

US armed forces are not allowing any woman on the combat-related jobs yet... i could be wrong but im almost positive...

Plus that... that's the calvary unit... and a scoped sniper rifle... Haven't seen any woman with a scoped sniper rifle in the US military pictures ever in my life yet.

There are some women who are seeing plenty of combat in Iraq. The are called Team Lioness. They are female army MPs that escort Marines and army soldiers on patrols. They are primarily used to deal with and search female Iraqi's because it is not allowed in Iraqi law for a male to touch a female unless he is her husband. Unfortunately, I have no link to this information, but there was a great article on Team Lioness in last week's issue of Marine Corps Times.

In the picture, however, the soldier is using an M-14 with scope, indicating he's a sniper. There are no female snipers. He's probably just 18 or 19, scared as hell and doesn't shave but 2 times a week.

el_kab0ng
08-12-2004, 08:25 PM
I can see I've inadvertantly hijacked this thread, which was not my intention. I'll return you to your regularly scheduled program of sweet picts of blowing **** up. woot

bssr107
08-12-2004, 08:42 PM
I can see I've inadvertantly hijacked this thread, which was not my intention. I'll return you to your regularly scheduled program of sweet picts of blowing **** up. woot

You're not only stupid, also sick, kid. No real soldier who had seen action would have said "sweet picts of blowing **** up". You think they're having fun blowing ****s up? They are the last ones who want a war.

Double Tap
08-12-2004, 08:49 PM
couple more
http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/08/09/international/iraq.large3.jpg
http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/08/06/international/07iraq.l.jpg
http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/Lookup/20048121258/$file/040811-M-7371B-001lores.jpg
hi res (http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/ae82f18a8e1b160b852568ba007e7e5e/2928b50403b436cf85256eee001bbcca/$FILE/040811-M-7371B-001.jpg)

left to right) Army Sgt. Domenic Lombardi, Army Pfc. Chris Connerley, Spec. Kenneth Griffin and Army Staff Sgt. Adam Shaw were part of the team of Army military policemen under the command of the 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit that captured three suspected insurgents and 11 weapons with ammunition in the early morning of Aug. 11.
Lombardi, 22, is a Torrington, Ct., native, Connerley, 18, is a Sarasot, Fla., native, Griffin, 21, is an Orlando, Fla., native and Shaw, 27, is a Bangor, Maine, native. All four are with the 118th Military Police Company, from Fort Bragg, N.C.
The 24th MEU is currently conducting security and stability operations in the Northern Babil province of Iraq.

http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/Lookup/200481205459/$file/Release0393-2004-05low.jpg
hi res (http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/ae82f18a8e1b160b852568ba007e7e5e/74d4dbadbd55ea4885256eee001b01c4/$FILE/Release0393-2004-05.jpg)

CAMP FUJI, Japan – Marines with Company G, 2nd Battalion, 23rd Marine Regiment, burst out of a CH-53D Sea Stallion during an assault in the training area here July 29. The Marines arrived here July 19 to participate in Fuji Integrated Training Program 2004
http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/Lookup/200481205320/$file/Release0393-2004-11low.jpg
hi res (http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/ae82f18a8e1b160b852568ba007e7e5e/82ddfcbd9239307285256eee001adb15/$FILE/Release0393-2004-11.jpg)
http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/Lookup/20048120923/$file/Release0390-2004-09low.jpg
hi res (http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/ae82f18a8e1b160b852568ba007e7e5e/7c85072534a1995285256eee0016d531/$FILE/Release0390-2004-09.jpg)

KIN, OKINAWA, Japan – Scout swimmer Lance Cpl. Nathan H. Natting crawls behind a berm of sand for cover, Aug. 2, during a simulated amphibious raid here. 96 Marines with 1st Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment, from Kaneohe Bay, Hawaii, are here on a Unit Deployment Program tour as the battalion landing team for the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit. They participated in clandestine, amphibious raid training taught by the III Marine Expeditionary Force Special Operations Training Group here from July 26 to Aug. 4.
http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/Lookup/20048120751/$file/Release0390-2004-08low.jpg
hi res (http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/ae82f18a8e1b160b852568ba007e7e5e/02ced48a11df447685256eee0016b15a/$FILE/Release0390-2004-08.jpg)
http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/Lookup/20048120620/$file/Release0390-2004-12low.jpg
hi res (http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/ae82f18a8e1b160b852568ba007e7e5e/feb2c56d2734834585256eee00168da0/$FILE/Release0390-2004-12.jpg)
http://www.af.mil/media/photodb/web/040801-F-5789F-009.jpg
hi res (http://www.af.mil/media/photodb/photos/040801-F-5789F-009.jpg)

He219
08-12-2004, 08:58 PM
My favorites of the day:

http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/08/06/international/07iraq.l.jpg
http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/08/12/international/HICKS.184.1.650.jpg
http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/05/07/international/Karbala.slide.3.jpg
http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/05/07/international/Karbala.slide.5.jpg


woot

ßĺ$tĮТHĎżđ
08-12-2004, 09:07 PM
Agreed..Considering the distance between the explosion on the building and themselves...whatevern blew it up would normally cause most people to duck or flintch...not those two apparently. Very brave

Fee Fi Fo Fum
08-12-2004, 09:25 PM
And my fav.....

http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/08/12/international/HICKS.184.1.650.jpg

pictures can tell 1000 words..... this says more, truly amazing i must say!

GrimmyRX
08-12-2004, 09:26 PM
And my fav.....

http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/08/12/international/HICKS.184.1.650.jpg

pictures can tell 1000 words..... this says more, truly amazing i must say!

Wow, they must be using nuclear bullets to make those buildings explode that much, :lol:

Catch22
08-12-2004, 09:34 PM
Great photos - but these are not "buildings" they're tombs and graves - the fiercest clashes wit Sadrist are taking place on biggest muslim cementery which surrounds Imam Ali's mosque in Najaf.

This enormous cementery seems to ba nasty place for a gunbattle - and just imagine how it is after sunset... h:roll:

One?
08-12-2004, 09:35 PM
http://www.af.mil/media/photodb/web/040801-F-5789F-009.jpg


OMH THIS GUY IS SPECIAL FORCES! :roll:


anyways about my earlier comment, it doesnt have to be on the internet. There are hundreds and thousands of people who are like that in real life. There are politicians who are like that...

pfclee
08-12-2004, 09:45 PM
http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/08/11/international/11cnd-najaf.1.650.jpg

That is definitely a woman, look how slender her hands are on that rifle, imagine how a militiaman would feel if he knew he'd been slotted by an American woman?

Don't think so.

US armed forces are not allowing any woman on the combat-related jobs yet... i could be wrong but im almost positive...

Plus that... that's the calvary unit... and a scoped sniper rifle... Haven't seen any woman with a scoped sniper rifle in the US military pictures ever in my life yet.

There are some women who are seeing plenty of combat in Iraq. The are called Team Lioness. They are female army MPs that escort Marines and army soldiers on patrols. They are primarily used to deal with and search female Iraqi's because it is not allowed in Iraqi law for a male to touch a female unless he is her husband. Unfortunately, I have no link to this information, but there was a great article on Team Lioness in last week's issue of Marine Corps Times.

In the picture, however, the soldier is using an M-14 with scope, indicating he's a sniper. There are no female snipers. He's probably just 18 or 19, scared as hell and doesn't shave but 2 times a week.

That's a great info to know. Thank you for telling me that.

However, I meant combat-oriented unit which was built for the combat. I understand MPs are experiencing combats in Iraq but you know, I just meant the original combatants.

Ria
08-12-2004, 10:02 PM
Phew...great pics He and others...very intense...thank you yet again :hug:

GrimmyRX
08-12-2004, 10:11 PM
Great photos - but these are not "buildings" they're tombs and graves - the fiercest clashes wit Sadrist are taking place on biggest muslim cementery which surrounds Imam Ali's mosque in Najaf.

This enormous cementery seems to ba nasty place for a gunbattle - and just imagine how it is after sunset... h:roll:

Whoops, :oops: Didn't really look too carefully I guess, ^^;; Thanks for the correction.

goldman
08-12-2004, 10:25 PM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040812/capt.bag12908121811.iraq_najaf_bag129.jpg

**** Vietnam all over again!

guitarwolf
08-12-2004, 10:53 PM
Great photos - but these are not "buildings" they're tombs and graves - the fiercest clashes wit Sadrist are taking place on biggest muslim cementery which surrounds Imam Ali's mosque in Najaf.


I heard one news analyst liken it to having a gunbattle in the middle of Arlington National Cemetery. It's a tricky place for the U.S. to fight
because of it's significance. There's no doubt they can win, but they
may end up making Sadr a matyr and stoking more anger if they damage the mosque.

AFG
08-12-2004, 10:55 PM
double tap those were some awesome photos

Undo
08-13-2004, 12:20 AM
anyways about my earlier comment, it doesnt have to be on the internet. There are hundreds and thousands of people who are like that in real life. There are politicians who are like that...

I want to make a couple of things clear:

there is NO EXCUSE FOR TERRORISM. If you try to explain that there is some justification for terrorism you are a lowlife. Period. Full-stop. I don't care if someone comes to your house and rapes your dog and kicks your wife, that is not justification for killing innocent people and if you think it is I hope you live the miserable existance you deserve. Terrorism is about murder, cowardice and lunacy.

Having said that, this "mahdi militia" are not terrorists, they are a guerrilla force who fortunately (or unfortunately, if you are them) will not be around much longer. I certainly extend to them the sympathy they deserve, as from what I understand they tend to be largely illiterate slumdwellers, the kind easily prayed upon by "religious" people everywhere. Their blood is on Sadr's hands and by extension Iran's.

GrimmyRX
08-13-2004, 01:51 AM
anyways about my earlier comment, it doesnt have to be on the internet. There are hundreds and thousands of people who are like that in real life. There are politicians who are like that...

I want to make a couple of things clear:

there is NO EXCUSE FOR TERRORISM.

I just wish that there was a concret, all around good defenition of Terrorism.

OB Kenobi
08-13-2004, 04:02 AM
Not only they are traitorous, they are also dumb as goldfish. Excellent time they picked to switch sides.

So dumb that they used US funds to equip themselves THEN switched? Take a look at all those weapons they got from the CPA. Nice uniforms too, great for sneaking up on people and assassinating them, or robbing the civilians.

Won't be easy getting rid of these guys, especially when the Pentagon PR department portrays them as "merely" Al Sadr's gangsters, the way they've portrayed the entire Iraqi resistance as "merely" Saddam loyalists. See my post in the General section about the Shiites seeking independence from Baghdad and answer there if you have anything to say about this.

Wilco
08-13-2004, 04:21 AM
Not only they are traitorous, they are also dumb as goldfish. Excellent time they picked to switch sides.

So dumb that they used US funds to equip themselves THEN switched? Take a look at all those weapons they got from the CPA. Nice uniforms too, great for sneaking up on people and assassinating them, or robbing the civilians.



And they're "freeing" Iraq, Al-Sadr needs to save his breathe.

HumanShield
08-13-2004, 05:18 AM
My favorites of the day:

http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/08/06/international/07iraq.l.jpg
http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/08/12/international/HICKS.184.1.650.jpg
http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/05/07/international/Karbala.slide.3.jpg
http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/05/07/international/Karbala.slide.5.jpg


woot

Any one find a HIGH RES version of these yet?

Loco
08-13-2004, 05:41 AM
Just saying these all are great battle photos. About some other photo I pasted before, perhaps I didn´t expalined it well, but it shows a woman crying the dead of his son killed accidentally in the middle of the fights between shiis and americans, he wasn´t a fighter, some jerks should remember these fights happen in populated areas before opening the mouth and should use the brain in the place of the as#, and I´d advise to this same people who surely hate everything remotely looking like arabian/islamic to read at least once the Bible, in that book you´ll read many scenes of women mourning their dead sons in the same way the iraqi woman of the photo did, and even wearing the same clothes, in fact I think Abraham was born not far from there, but you´re sick people, only a good dosis of reality could cure you.