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The recent conflict has indeed made a come back for the M14:
http://m14.freeservers.com/images/m14_iraq.jpg
http://m14.freeservers.com/images/1apr0382nd4.jpg
http://m14.freeservers.com/images/1apr0382nd6.jpg
http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data/500/2297M14_in_Ghan-med.jpg
http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data/500/2297mystery.jpg
http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data/500/2297afghanm14.jpg
http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data/500/2297fc24f666.jpg
http://www.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Ekie12091941/dac7c584.jpg
Also again popular in sniper role:
http://www.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Ekie12091941/ab090413.jpg
http://www.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Ekie12091941/64fe6c3f.jpg
http://www.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Ekie12091941/60f10bcb.jpg
http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data/500/2297ussf3434.jpg
http://www.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Ekie12091941/f3f86882.jpg
Have not found a picture of one of these in service yet:
http://www.troyind.com/images/SOPMOD%20cqb.jpg
HumanShield
08-11-2003, 01:49 PM
Those are some great pics of the m14 in action. I have to say that is probably one of my favorite rifles that can be used as well as it is as a sniper rifle.
What is that last rifle that you posted? I see that is it some kind of shortened m14. So does that make it like a M14c or what?
kutter
08-11-2003, 02:39 PM
Its the Rock SOPMOD M-14. Heres the manufacturer's website:
http://www.troyind.com/
James
08-11-2003, 03:21 PM
Many surface ships in the U.S. Navy have kept M-14s since the 1960s - I think only carriers and subs use the M-16. The M-14 is a great rifle.
Apogee
08-11-2003, 03:25 PM
Here are some really high speed pics of the M-14 in action.
http://www.usma.edu/Class/2007/CBT07/images/usmaCBT082.jpg
http://www.usma.edu/Class/2007/CBT07/images/usmaCBT079.jpg
http://www.usma.edu/Class/2007/CBT07/images/usmaCBT070.jpg
Apogee
08-11-2003, 09:09 PM
That SOPMOD kit is pretty sweet. I would take that baby to combat any day. USMA isn't too bad. I'm done with my Combatives detail, so its back to the grind for me. Have a good one.
springwheat
08-11-2003, 09:30 PM
You call that high speed? At USNA we were issued rusted out M1 Garands :p
papabear
08-11-2003, 09:43 PM
thanks
do guys with the m14s (combat pics) have any particular designation? are they called designated sharpshooters? if so, do they receive any particular training?
Piccolo
08-12-2003, 01:25 AM
I'm not sure on all units, but I recall reading that 82nd troops were sent through SOTIC (Special Operations Target Interdiction Course - Army SF Sniper School) for qualifying with the M14 to become a designated marksmen.
Rush_die
08-13-2003, 03:05 AM
this one is from the Philippines:
http://www.angelfire.com/ga/batwentyone/images/CDTS.JPG
http://www.angelfire.com/ga/batwentyone/images/SRPAT.JPG
http://www.angelfire.com/ga/batwentyone/images/WAC.JPG
http://www.angelfire.com/ga/batwentyone/images/SFPARADE.JPG
Saranof
08-13-2003, 05:17 AM
I dunno, but the way the guy on the last photo holds his m60 makes me scared
Ah yes, the Philippines:
http://www.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Ekie12091941/fe7b4c81.jpg
http://www.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Ekie12091941/700449c4.jpg
http://www.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Ekie12091941/dbdd40e4.jpg
http://www.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Ekie12091941/8ee72e29.jpg
wulfstan
08-13-2003, 08:40 AM
This weapon looks like the old BAR (Baring Automatic Rifle i think) the US used in ww2. Is this a derivitive?
This weapon looks like the old BAR (Baring Automatic Rifle i think) the US used in ww2. Is this a derivitive?
Not a BAR, but a updated M1 Garand variant.
hmm. i'm curious to know what this is a picture of.. who, where etc.
http://www.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Ekie12091941/f3f86882.jpg
Royal
08-13-2003, 12:06 PM
hmm. i'm curious to know what this is a picture of.. who, where etc.
http://www.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Ekie12091941/f3f86882.jpg
Rings bells and I can't think why. The wall looks european - PIFWiC lift in the Balkans?
to answer an old post: in army infantry, each squad has a man whos' job is to be the designated marksman for that squad. he's still a good ol' 11B or 11M, no change in official designator. usually this guy carries the same rifle as everyone else (m16/m4 depending on unit) but with a 4x scope mounted on top. In afganistan, the mountain environment creates opportunities for shots out to ranges that the 5.56 can't handle, hence the issuing of the M14. There are also specialized versions of the M14 (M21 for example) that are more accurate, and commonly used by SOF troops
Trigger
08-13-2003, 01:06 PM
Regarding the above pic. For some reason it reminds me of the SF pictures from Afghanistan. Style of dress, etc. I'm probably wrong. ;)
Seraphim
08-13-2003, 01:18 PM
I thought BAR was Browning Automatic Rifle.
Vance
08-13-2003, 01:41 PM
It is....
Hood
Not real sure about that picture, I saved it on 03-05-03 as "Salahuddin Iraq".
usa320
08-13-2003, 09:54 PM
well the guy on the left has old navy utility pants...
:lol:
Herrmannek
08-14-2003, 04:07 AM
Is there any reason to attach one ammo round under barrel of your gun with (I think) disintegrating belt link ?
http://www.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Ekie12091941/dbdd40e4.jpg
Rush_die
08-14-2003, 04:17 AM
http://www.angelfire.com/ga/batwentyone/images/INF1.JPG
http://www.roughstreet.com/alphasector/scoutrangers/images/training/training4.jpg
http://www.philippinemarinecorps.mil.ph/images/FRBN%20frogmen.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/commande1/marines.jpg
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/Philippine_National_Police_Special_Forces/Musangs.jpg
Royal
08-14-2003, 04:56 AM
Is there any reason to attach one ammo round under barrel of your gun with (I think) disintegrating belt link ?
http://www.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Ekie12091941/dbdd40e4.jpg
I don't know about the M14 (I've never used it) but you adjust the gas settings with the L85A1/2 (SA80) with a combination tool (from the cleaning kit) or a round (never seen it carried like that though).
Steve Andrews
08-14-2003, 05:14 AM
Where's his front sight??
I own a Winchester M14. The gas is only adjustable on or off, and this is done with a flat-head screwdriver or the combination tool.
I would not keep a live round there, it gets too hot in that area - especially when I'm using the M14!!
Sharky79
08-14-2003, 10:36 AM
The guy does not have a patch I am guessing he is a CAFGU (regional local militia). Army soldiers get in touch with CAFGU units in the area they are to operate and use them as guides, very similar with the partnership of American Soldiers and Montagnards. These guys get some training, a weapon, some uniforms and allowance and guard their remote villages. Mostly armed with older rifles from M1's to M14's sometimes with M16's.
That bullet I think is just "anting-anting", a goodluck charm.
volfram
08-15-2003, 08:24 AM
M14 replaced kalaschnikows/i dont know ak47 or 74/in Lithuanian Army.Althought M14 is a good weapon but not as a standart asault rifle,so i think they made step back.
I am not sure that a M14 is a good replacement for an assault rifle, but the 82nd, and the 101st have found them to be effective in supplementing the assault rifle.
James
08-16-2003, 01:31 AM
The M-14 is not a good replacement for an assault rifle - it is heavier than most and it is basically useless on full auto if the selector is installed. It is a good rifle for a designated marksman - semiautomatic w/ 20 rds of 7.62 NATO, able to reach out to 500 meters and beyond w/ some serious knockdown power. I'd compare it w/ the FAL as far as performance goes.
As stated earlier by Steve Andrews, the gas regulator is not adjustable - it can be turned either on or off. The M-14 dates from the days of muzzle launched rifle grenades, hence this function. They do also heat up pretty quickly - another strike against using them as automatic rifles.
Not as recent as those 82nd, and 101st pictures, but here are some more M14 pictures:
http://www.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Ekie12091941/1dd07e40.jpg
http://www.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Ekie12091941/d1c24ed7.jpg
http://www.militaryphoto.com/sealbeach/4214seal.jpg
http://www.militaryphoto.com/sealbeach/4243seal.jpg
http://www.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Ekie12091941/3ba51479.jpg
also i hear its a all round better reliable weather gun over your m16, light versions with fiberglass bodies ala the m21a have been in use with seals and other spec ops. nowdays its actually not overly heavy compared to the m16 thanks to its moder update to weight and delivers one hell of a punch and is compatible with "enemy" ammo generally. sure it sucks on full auto but who the hell sprays and prays like the spetnaz or mother russia in ww2?
James
08-16-2003, 02:32 AM
I don't know about "enemy ammo" - the M-14 is chambered for 7.62 x 51 mm NATO.
In my experience, the M-14 can go without the same maintenance as teh M-16 and still work pretty well. The biggest problem I've seen with dirty M-14s is the failure to extract an empty cartridge. This can cause a problem for users who have received limited training, as the bolt recoils and returns forward, trying to feed a new round into a chamber already filled.
HumanShield
08-16-2003, 02:59 AM
[quote="James"]The M-14 is not a good replacement for an assault rifle - it is heavier than most and it is basically useless on full auto if the selector is installed. It is a good rifle for a designated marksman - semiautomatic w/ 20 rds of 7.62 NATO, able to reach out to 500 meters and beyond w/ some serious knockdown power. I'd compare it w/ the FAL as far as performance goes.
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500 meters and beyond? What is the beyond....because i checked the Colt website and they are claiming that the m4 shoots 600 meters. Shouldnt the m14 shoot farther haveing the bigger round, and being a longer rifle?
I don't know about "enemy ammo" - the M-14 is chambered for 7.62 x 52 mm NATO.
sorry bout that, i was referring to the m21a, ala the updated m14 in which i have heard it can receive a swap to the chamber/barrel? i forget which. ive also heard of other sniper use weapons being able to do this transformation also. maybe ive been reading to many edge of the sword volumes.
The M-14 is chambered in the standard NATO 7.62x51mm. It's a great rifle but you have to use military brass with it. For some reason it doesn't want to feed civilian brass. Military brass has a thick case, especially at the base and I understand that it is this way so it can operate in a machinegun.
There have been a few bullpup versions of the rifle, one made by AWC and another called the TCM89.
FallenAngel
08-16-2003, 01:47 PM
500 meters and beyond? What is the beyond....because i checked the Colt website and they are claiming that the m4 shoots 600 meters. Shouldnt the m14 shoot farther haveing the bigger round, and being a longer rifle?
I think you're talking about max. range instead of effective range. The whole M16 series was designed because it was found in the '50s that most fire-fights in WWII, Korea and early Vietnam took place at less than 300 *yards* (i think thats like 250 meters? Something like that), so it's effective range isn't going to be too much further than that.
The 7.62 NATO round though has been around since the turn of the century (last century) and it can "reach out and touch someone" easily at 1/2-2/3 of a mile.
The DoD is right, most combat nowadays is confined pretty tight/urban. Afghanistan was the exception though and thats why the 82nd bought Springfield M1As one to a squad for that long-reaching power.
James
08-16-2003, 03:00 PM
While I was on active duty, we were instructed that the maximum effective range of an M-16A2 against a point target (an individual) was 500 meters, and 800 meters against an area target ( a building or a squad). WHen we went to the rifle range every year, we fired out to 500m with iron sights. If Colt claims that the M-4 can reach out to 600m, well, uh, yeah, okay. In all honesty, a man standing 500m away is about half as wide as the front sight post on the M-16.
When I was speaking of using the M-14 at 500m and beyond, it was with iron sights. Put some optics on and you can reach out a lot farther.
Phil_EFMB
08-24-2003, 02:05 PM
sorry bout that, i was referring to the m21a, ala the updated m14 in which i have heard it can receive a swap to the chamber/barrel? i forget which. ive also heard of other sniper use weapons being able to do this transformation also. maybe ive been reading to many edge of the sword volumes.
I have never heard nor seen any conversion for the M14 or M21 to any other caliber than the standard 7.62 x 51mm for which it is already chambered. As the 7.62 x 51mm is a standardized NATO round, supply is not usually a problem, even if you had to delink some MG ammo.
It's a great rifle but you have to use military brass with it. For some reason it doesn't want to feed civilian brass. Military brass has a thick case, especially at the base and I understand that it is this way so it can operate in a machinegun.
Never had any problem with "civilian" brass. What you have to watch for is that the ammo you're using has the harder military primers. This is because of the non-captive firing pin of the M14. Softer, "civilian" primers can be set off during the chambering of a round causing the round to fire while the bolt is still out of battery.
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