Riots in Greece - out of control

[Extobulite]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuJZdWTiaJM

[Tango-1]

Early New Year for the greeks I guess..

[G3SG1]

a general strike was on today and during the protests the known leftist anarchists took the opportunity to attack the security forces.

[MadOnionSix]

Time to start cracking some heads !!!

[Ulytau]

As i read they beaten one of ex minister pretty bad at ouside of parliament

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[v-twin]

Why aren't the cops using rubber bullets and/or water cannons? Or a phalanx formation, bet the hippies would get a kick out of that.

[Extobulite]

Minister of Transportation

seems like they broke his nose

[Smok]

They can't protest forever. They must pay their debts. I know, that it is difficult, but it was their choice, to live that way and to make such a politic. Greek people are responsible for that. Huge public sector, high pensions, low retirement age, 14 or even 15 salaries per year, many privileges, low productivity (AFAIK Greeks were the least productive in whole EU), huge corruption (so called fakelaki and grigorosimo)... Transparency International believes, that around 25-30% of Greek economy is underground economy! Greece is more corrupted (71th place in the World) than Ghana (69th place), or Cuba (61th place) Now it is the time to face consequences.

[Noons86]

Shouldn't they have some kind of vertical water cannon or rain machine to preemptively extinguish molotovs?

[Stormz_STA]

What is democracy without a few little riots?

Have fun, Greeks.

[Ulytau]

Minister of Transportation

seems like they broke his nose

Well at last picture,easy to see he is in shock

[D-Mitch]

Minister of Transportation

seems like they broke his nose
Ex-minister.

[Lawndart]

They should be shooting the people throwing the Molotovs. With Full Metal Jacket rounds, not rubber baton rounds just to be clear.

[v-twin]

Well if you hadn't, **** would've been worse. For everybody. And without the bailout terms, Greek politicians probably wouldn't have moved off their asses to do what had to be done.

[Steak-Sauce]

Just sick. Hopefully no LEO was hurt by these lunatics.
I don't even want to know what the damage will cost..

Why are they protesting this time?

[flanker7]

shoud never have bailed the ungratefull bastards out.

Relax! And mind your language.

[80 EAN]

shoud never have bailed the ungratefull bastards out.

Reported,,

[Stormz_STA]

Reported,,

For what?

Being a dumbass?

[C.Puffs]

"Coming to a California city near you!"

[Dispatcher]

Reported,,


For what? For stating what every taxpayer in the EU thinks??

Get your priorities sorted.

[Navigator]

Relax! And mind your language.

Oh.. no don't do that , let them say what they feel

[flanker7]

You do realize that european taxpayer haven't excactly given any money to Greece. It's a loan, at a very high interest rate!

I should have bought a japaneese car, stupid me!

[misool]

Time to step up to the plate Greece!

[80 EAN]

For what?

Being a dumbass?

For the conversation following his stupid post ..(off-topic, flamebait etc)

I understand how eastern european (former communist) countries feel about Greece, your people weren't treaded with the best way when arrived for labor in Greece in early 90s.

[80 EAN]

For what? For stating what every taxpayer in the EU thinks??

Get your priorities sorted.

Thanks for the lesson, not.

[Dispatcher]

You do realize that european taxpayer haven't excactly given any money to Greece. It's a loan, at a very high interest rate!

I should have bought a japaneese car, stupid me!


And just how high do you think our confidence is in ever seeing a penny back of that loan?

Right.

[Navigator]

For what? For stating what every taxpayer in the EU thinks??

Get your priorities sorted.

Well .. mister i pay my taxes and they want to pay more and more to save those F.... who is responsible for this , you shound ask your goverment where your money of your taxes goes and everyone of you , i dont think they end up in my pocket , im working and paying my taxes too in working contitions an cost of live maybe worst than many of you , so give me a break ...

[flanker7]

I believe as high confidence as the bling that reflects in your politicians eyes

[Flagg]

It's not the end of the world, but there's going to be a fair bit more of this kind of stuff in the west....hitting closer to home for more and more on this forum, until it's not so funny anymore....but yeah...not the end of the world.

[Stormz_STA]

I understand how eastern european (former communist) countries feel about Greece, your people weren't treaded with the best way when arrived for labor in Greece in early 90s.

????????????

[80 EAN]

????????????

You are not aware of economical migration from Poland, Romania, Albania, to Greece in the 90s?

Employees, rarely love their employers....

[v-twin]

I understand how eastern european (former communist) countries feel about Greece, your people weren't treaded with the best way when arrived for labor in Greece in early 90s.

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[Stormz_STA]

You are not aware of economical migration from Poland, Romania, Albania, to Greece in the 90s?

Employees, rarely love their employers....

What the hell are you talking about ? What does it have to do with this topic? What is wrong with you? Are you on drugs or just drunk?

[Dispatcher]

Well .. mister i pay my taxes and they want to pay more and more to save those F.... who is responsible for this , you shound ask your goverment where your money of your taxes goes and everyone of you , i dont think they end up in my pocket , im working and paying my taxes too in working contitions an cost of live maybe worst than many of you , so give me a break ...

I dont have a clue what your point is, besides the fact that you seem angry at me.

I cant believe that you, a taxpaying, hardworking person from Greece, arent every bit as outraged as many people in the EU are at the people who want to continue the old way of making it easy for yourselves, and letting other people pay for you.

Thats not just bankrupt, thats morally bankrupt.

[GGRAMM]

Well .... who is responsible for this , you shound ask your goverment...


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I believe that's what they're trying to do......

[cmc]

You are not aware of economical migration from Poland, Romania, Albania, to Greece in the 90s?

Employees, rarely love their employers....

:lol: I see somebody suffers from a superiority complex

[Smok]

Why are they protesting this time?

They are angry, beacuse world has told them "start working, start paying taxes and pay your debts".

[flanker7]

and you think that a stupider comment cannot be made

[Stormz_STA]

and you think that a stupider comment cannot be made

I'm sorry, I didn't know Cyprus was a part of Greece. Why do you care what they say about Greece? You people are totally different.
;)

[flanker7]

Proving my earlier post!

Edit: spoting the irony now...

[Stormz_STA]

Proving my earlier post!

Yeah, you also missed the smiley, you bastard.

[Munifex]

What is the salary of a Greek police base? Are they well paid compared with what they earn the rest of the workers? Is it a profession in demand by young people?. Thanks in advance

[Mr.K]

They are angry, beacuse world has told them "start working, start paying taxes and pay your debts".

If your employer gives you 13 paychecks instead of 12, will you say: "No sir, i cannot take this money , this will destroy the company/state and put out of business."
In other words, should you be responsible if your boss entriely screws up and as a solution worsens your working conditions?
I have yet to see a citizen enthousiastically screaming "HORRAY MORE TAXES! LESS DISPOSABLE INCOME! GLORY TO THE GOVERNMENT"

[Stormz_STA]

Edit: spoting the irony now...

Too late.
Hit the deck and gimme twenty internet push-ups.

[flanker7]

I can only take 10, I'm not that "internet-strong"

[Greek soldier]

Yeah, start working with 20% unemployment and companies closing.

Ordinary people do pay their taxes (they cannot hide it), while rich one and many companies don't.

Pay our debt... This I guess applies to the whole of the Western world, not just Greece. Details...

[Greek soldier]

What is the salary of a Greek police base? Are they well paid compared with what they earn the rest of the workers? Is it a profession in demand by young people?. Thanks in advance

No they're not well paid, unless you go to the higher rankings. It's ca. 800 Euros per month.

Young people show huge interest because, unlike the private sector, it is a permanent job

[v-twin]

Acquiring debt to bailout your banks (Ireland) is a wee bit different than acquiring debt because everybody gets free **** from the Government. And you lie to the EU.

The cuts (the 14th salary is a bit much don't you think?) are necessary.

[Smok]

If your employer gives you 13 paychecks instead of 12, will you say: "No sir, i cannot take this money , this will destroy the company/state and put out of business."
In other words, should you be responsible if your boss entriely screws up and as a solution worsens your working conditions?
I have yet to see a citizen enthousiastically screaming "HORRAY MORE TAXES! LESS DISPOSABLE INCOME! GLORY TO THE GOVERNMENT"

It is not only 13, 14 or 15 salaries in public sector. It is also huge corruption, huge underworld economy (see my post at first page). It is also voting for responsible politicians during elections and understanding, that sometimes you must tighten your belt (people in Poland know what that means - see Balcerowicz's plan). Greece is democracy, isn't it? So... They have elected, they have effects.

[dragon2w]

My friend, your time will come. Don’t worry. What happens to Greece today will happen to your country tomorrow or the day after. Economic recession will hit all countries in Europe. It is inevitable.

[Navigator]

I dont have a clue what your point is, besides the fact that you seem angry at me.

I cant believe that you, a taxpaying, hardworking person from Greece, arent every bit as outraged as many people in the EU are at the people who want to continue the old way of making it easy for yourselves, and letting other people pay for you.

Thats not just bankrupt, thats morally bankrupt.

I'm not agry at you , and i'm not support those who want to continie the " old way " as you say , never been in there and a lot of people here never have it easy , but we all get the **** , we are the ones who want to change thinks and not the polititians here , how can we pay depts when there is no meusures of devolepment but only taxpaiment and cuts ? thats what going on, we are going deep in that mud that way.

[Mr.K]

It is not only 13, 14 or 15 salaries in public sector. It is also huge corruption, huge underworld economy (see my post at first page). It is also voting for responsible politicians during elections and understanding, that sometimes you must tighten your belt (people in Poland know what that means - see Balcerowicz's plan). Greece is democracy, isn't it? So... They have elected, they have effects.
Are you saying that greeks benefited from corruption and underworld economy.
Responsibile poltiicians , you made me spit my tea. You know what's the 1st thing on a politicians mind after being elected? The next election.
Balcerowicz plan was approved by (some guy named) Jaruzelski , not exactly voted in democratically.
What do people vote for, generally? Lower taxes , bigger benefits. Don't tell me you wouldn't.

[Steak-Sauce]

Seriously, what's going on in Greece?

I read that ten thousands of people went to the streets to protest against the government's savings program. Furthermore, it is said that air traffic controllers, teachers, doctors, journalists, etc. are all stopped working. What role do the labor unions play?

[Stormz_STA]

You know what's the 1st thing on a politicians mind after being elected? The next election.
Yes, for some politicians that's a priority. For others it is not. Don't generalize.

[Stormz_STA]

Balcerowicz plan was approved by (some guy named) Jaruzelski , not exactly voted in democratically.


Jaruzelski at that time was chosen by a democratically elected parliament to be the president of Poland.
Get your facts straight.

[beNder]

Yeah, start working with 20% unemployment and companies closing.

Ordinary people do pay their taxes (they cannot hide it), while rich one and many companies don't.

Pay our debt... This I guess applies to the whole of the Western world, not just Greece. Details...

No sir! It's the rich that pay all the taxes and us middle class worker bees live off the rich in the land of socialist utopia.

[Victis Honor]

and removed it seems, how lame. It does not take away that the greek population brought this ontop of themselves and shoud not be moaning about the severe cuts they are facing now.

[Kiiski]

Yes, the Greeks are ***ked for good

Yes, it's their own fault

Yes, there are millions of hard-working Greeks who pay their taxes

No, you really can't blame the Turks for this one

Yes, the interest rates in the bailout are high. They are high, because there is a real risk that some of it will never be repaid.

Yes, the rates are very low compared to what Greece is getting anywhere else

And finally, think carefully before bashing the Greeks for their present state of affairs. Many Western countries are going down that lane. Some can still rescue themselves (if there is a political will to do so), some are already doomed.

Party is over. Most European (and many other) countries are going to have painful years ahead. Some will have the discipline to raise taxes and cut public (including defence) spending. The ones who won't, will eventually be in real world of sh** for many reasons.

[Korath]

[ / cut politics & crap]

I'm really surprised to see such disorganized police force. They actually invite violence by failing to impose their presence. Policemen running in twos or threes into the crowd? They sure have guts, but... they are lucky to face anarchists or smth. If they were football hooligans, they would end up with bloody noses... Where was their support? Not necessarily rubber bullets, but water canons, dogs, mounted police... I'm sure Greece must have something...

[Greek soldier]

and removed it seems, how lame. It does not take away that the greek population brought this ontop of themselves and shoud not be moaning about the severe cuts they are facing now.

If these cuts were also on parallel with severe cuts in the prices of goods and services then, trust me, we wouldn't be moaning. Instead they increase taxation to everything which make matters even worse. After some 40+ years we see again people searching the garbage for food.


Yes, the Greeks are ***ked for good

Yes, it's their own fault

Yes, there are millions of hard-working Greeks who pay their taxes

No, you really can't blame the Turks for this one

Yes, the interest rates in the bailout are high. They are high, because there is a real risk that some of it will never be repaid.

Yes, the rates are very low compared to what Greece is getting anywhere else

And finally, think carefully before bashing the Greeks for their present state of affairs. Many Western countries are going down that lane. Some can still rescue themselves (if there is a political will to do so), some are already doomed.

Party is over. Most European (and many other) countries are going to have painful years ahead. Some will have the discipline to raise taxes and cut public (including defence) spending. The ones who won't, will eventually be in real world of sh** for many reasons.

Amen.

Yes, we Greeks are going to pay the price big time 'cos of our immaturity. But, please, don't blame us for the huge private and public debt the Western world has, or for the financial problems the world has. We're not the centre of the world.

[v-twin]

Nobody's pinning this on Greece. It's just disconcerting to see such mass protests from the Greek people who still don't understand that what has been going on is not the healthiest way to run a country/an economy.

[Diogenis]

Strange that there are still so many people out there talking about as if the people of greece,ireland or portugal (you name it) are the criminals and not the bankers and politicians of the EU and the USA.Something similiar started after the last worlds economic crisis and we all know how it ended.So instead letting "them" make us "small people" fighting each other again "we" should maybe turn our eyes to those ones who should be held responsible for the whole mess.Greek people,irsh people,british students,italians and all the other people HAVE the democratic right to protest.The few "anarchists" should not be the news but the hundreds of thousands of normal people all over europe who protests in a peacefull way should be the news.Strange that we never hear about them as much allthough they consist to 95% of the protestors.

[Diogenis]

Nobody's pinning this on Greece. It's just disconcerting to see such mass protests from the Greek people who still don't understand that what has been going on is not the healthiest way to run a country/an economy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

[Mordoror]

Nobody's pinning this on Greece. It's just disconcerting to see such mass protests from the Greek people who still don't understand that what has been going on is not the healthiest way to run a country/an economy.

it was said by (i don't remember who) before
this is a natural reaction

take a crowd (with obvioulsy an IQ<<< to the sum of all the individual IQ of the personns present in the crowd.....basically this is the definition of a crown anywhere around the world)
warm it up with salary decrease
ad a pince of anger with increase of taxes
mix all that with high unemployement
heat that with political lack of credibility of the former and/or actual gov
bake it with some youngblood ****heads (anarchists, hooligans, casual rampagers)

and you have a nice recipt for a protest at least and a riot at most for any country
look at what happens in Italy actually
what happened in France some weeks ago
what happened even in England (which is not known for violent protests)

average joe/jack/giovani/julien or whoever are fed up to be the milked cow or to feel as such (in order to fill the wallets of politicians, bankers and some big company CEO)
as i said basic natural reaction of a crowd
i don't know a country around the world that such kind of reaction (justified or not) is not expectable from the crowd (hell even in Island where people have the reputation of behing shy, you had some violent protests some months ago)

[Mr.K]

[ / cut politics & crap]

I'm really surprised to see such disorganized police force. They actually invite violence by failing to impose their presence. Policemen running in twos or threes into the crowd? They sure have guts, but... they are lucky to face anarchists or smth. If they were football hooligans, they would end up with bloody noses... Where was their support? Not necessarily rubber bullets, but water canons, dogs, mounted police... I'm sure Greece must have something...

Maybe a part of policemen are on strike too? (Remeber in 1993 in Moscow only 4 tanks showed up to shell the white house, and Vympel refused to storm the building, same thing in Serbia where policemen stopped following Milosevic's orders) As for equipment maybe the ministry of interior ran out of supplies considering the number of violent protests.

[G3SG1]

They can't protest forever. They must pay their debts. I know, that it is difficult, but it was their choice, to live that way and to make such a politic. Greek people are responsible for that. Huge public sector, high pensions, low retirement age, 14 or even 15 salaries per year, many privileges, low productivity (AFAIK Greeks were the least productive in whole EU), huge corruption (so called fakelaki and grigorosimo)... Transparency International believes, that around 25-30% of Greek economy is underground economy! Greece is more corrupted (71th place in the World) than Ghana (69th place), or Cuba (61th place) Now it is the time to face consequences.

It would be interesting to discuss some facts about how Greek companies are asked to pay fakelakia and grigorosima the former Communist nomenclatures in countries like Poland when their CEOs are negotiating relocation there.

In the house of the hanged man you don't talk about the rope

[G3SG1]

Well at last picture,easy to see he is in shock

As one Greek said it to a Greek forum:


The guy is so stupid that he walks through the crazed crowd not having a clue how to protect himself as a natural survival instinct.

This guy will handle political matters?

[cmc]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

The external debt means nothing... is the trade balance that's important... check the bottom of this list (bottom 20 or so)... we'll find all the countries that are f***ed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_current_account_balance

Some are too important to collapse but most of the smaller countries.... truly are f***ed.... :-(

[Smok]

It would be interesting to discuss some facts about how Greek companies are asked to pay fakelakia and grigorosima the former Communist nomenclatures in countries like Poland when their CEOs are negotiating relocation there.

In the house of the hanged man you don't talk about the rope

Yes - corruption is still a problem in Poland, but we made really huge progress in last 10 years. In 2006 we were at position 82 in the world, in 2009 - 49 in 2010 - 41! We are doing something with our country. We are working hard, while you are burning cars and throwing stones at Police.

Believe me - throwing Molotov cocktails at Police won't reduce debt. It will raise it!

[Stormz_STA]

Yes - corruption is still a problem in Poland, but we made really huge progress in last 10 years. In 2006 we were at position 82 in the world, in 2009 - 49 in 2010 - 41! We are doing something with our country. We are working hard, while you are burning cars and throwing stones at Police.

Believe me - throwing Molotov cocktails at Police won't reduce debt. It will raise it!

Well said, my young padawan.

[nubface]

So when do I start shopping for real estate in Greece on the cheap?

Can non-Greek citizens, in particular a US citizen, own land in Greece?

[omis]

They should be shooting the people throwing the Molotovs. With Full Metal Jacket rounds, not rubber baton rounds just to be clear.
I agree, a few dead scum would do the trick

[Diogenis]

The external debt means nothing... is the trade balance that's important... check the bottom of this list (bottom 20 or so)... we'll find all the countries that are f***ed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_current_account_balance

Some are too important to collapse but most of the smaller countries.... truly are f***ed.... :-(


Exports are important for huge export oriented economies like china,germany,USA etc..other (smaller) economies depend much more on service(like greece with shipping,trourism,banking etc).I read somewhere an article from some nobel price economists saying that "each country with more than 250% external debt is not saveable".Well,looking into latest lists this is the case (by far) for most developed countries.Funny that two of the PIIGS (greece & italy) have less than these 250% benchmark.

[D-Mitch]

They are angry, beacuse world has told them "start working, start paying taxes and pay your debts".


So when do I start shopping for real estate in Greece on the cheap?

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[Navigator]

it was said by (i don't remember who) before
this is a natural reaction

take a crowd (with obvioulsy an IQ<<< to the sum of all the individual IQ of the personns present in the crowd.....basically this is the definition of a crown anywhere around the world)
warm it up with salary decrease
ad a pince of anger with increase of taxes
mix all that with high unemployement
heat that with political lack of credibility of the former and/or actual gov
bake it with some youngblood ****heads (anarchists, hooligans, casual rampagers)

and you have a nice recipt for a protest at least and a riot at most for any country
look at what happens in Italy actually
what happened in France some weeks ago
what happened even in England (which is not known for violent protests)

average joe/jack/giovani/julien or whoever are fed up to be the milked cow or to feel as such (in order to fill the wallets of politicians, bankers and some big company CEO)
as i said basic natural reaction of a crowd
i don't know a country around the world that such kind of reaction (justified or not) is not expectable from the crowd (hell even in Island where people have the reputation of behing shy, you had some violent protests some months ago)

Nice , and how do you stop people from protesting .... bake it with some youngblood ****heads (anarchists ( or "anarhists" or " leftists" " ) , hooligans, casual rampagers)
make the job for you , let them burn and find excuse to hit the protestors , never those guys , i've seen that every time , and i've seen a lot in my life living in the centre of this city.

[G3SG1]

Can non-Greek citizens, in particular a US citizen, own land in Greece?

Of course they can.

The only limitation is that in several prefectures of Northern Greece you can buy after you file a request to the ministry of Defense. It takes some documentation but you get it.

[cmc]

Exports are important for huge export oriented economies like china,germany,USA etc..other (smaller) economies depend much more on service(like greece with shipping,trourism,banking etc).I read somewhere an article from some nobel price economists saying that "each country with more than 250% external debt is not saveable".Well,looking into latest lists this is the case (by far) for most developed countries.Funny that two of the PIIGS (greece & italy) have less than these 250% benchmark.

I think I have given you the wrong link... I meant to give you the relative to their GDP one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_current_account_balance_as_a_percentage_of_GDP not the absolute values one...

Anyway, as I was saying, the external debt is not everything. Take for example the Netherlands. It has a HUGE external debt (as listed), but it also has an even larger amount incoming... so much so, that it has a great trade balance (around a +6% of their GDP). If, however, we correlate the two charts, and we compare the list of countries that have larger balance deficit than (let's say) 3% and the list of countries that have more than 150% GDP debt, we'll come up with an interesting (and exact) 4 countries list: Irland, Portugal, Greece and Spain... rather familiar list, isn't it?

We can further play with those numbers (3% and 150%) and we can see who else is in for a ride: France, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Italy, etc...

[nubface]

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Huh? I dont get it.


@G3SG1 - Thanks mate!

[G3SG1]

Huh? I dont get it.


@G3SG1 - Thanks mate!


Welcome. I helped a foreign friend recently to fill the related documents. Send me a PM if you decide it.:)

btw EU citizens don't need a permit of the above procedure.

[Diogenis]

Guys,get over it.According to latest news the unions who organized the protests say that 40.000-50.000 people took part in these demonstrations..all over greece.Most of them the "usuall suspects" (unionists,leftists,anarchists etc).This number is so small,no need to talk about it.Who knows about greek mentality knows that during the "hot political times" in greece during the eighties millions of greeks gathered only to listen to A.Papandreou during his election campaigns.Not to mention the countless protests of many thousands of greeks against "this and that" from NATO till the war in lebanon to education reforms.

[lolcats]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuJZdWTiaJM

How else are they going to take back control of the government? The current gov in Greece has ceded its sovereignty to a bunch of foreign bankers. The US is maybe 4 or 5 years away from the same thing. Which side are you going to be on when they take away your social security, your income and your savings evaporate through massive inflation?

[Diogenis]

How else are they going to take back control of the government? The current gov in Greece has ceded its sovereignty to a bunch of foreign bankers. The US is maybe 4 or 5 years away from the same thing. Which side are you going to be on when they take away your social security, your income and your savings evaporate through massive inflation?


You nailed it.Protests did not even started yet.This is just the beginning.All over the developed nations.No father will accept that his son or his daughter will have no chances in the future education system because he is not a millionaire or working 12-14h every day just for being a slave to the monopolist-giant he is "working" for just to get nada in the end while the bankers get more rich for being criminals stealing the houses of old and poor people.

[TheEvian100]

Nothing was out of control. With over 20.000 people on the sreets, idiots were bound to appear. They got what they deserved from the Police, riot's over.

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[Flavius22]

Gerald Celente:"When people loose everything, they loose it".

[GottLuft]

It's sad to see when police beat their own people,their own blood who finance the state's budget and feed them just to protect stupid corrupted politicians....

[GREEK71AIRBORNE]

Great photos @enallos! Hellenic Police did a great job after all!
@GottLuft those people in the photos are not peacefull workers protesting.
They are professionals protesters, who beats and destroy whatever they find in every oporttunity.
They get what they deserve. But i agree with you, it is really sad.

[TheEvian100]

It's sad to see when police beat their own people,their own blood who finance the state's budget and feed them just to protect stupid corrupted politicians....

I know it seems sad. But the vast majority of people pillaging and burning shops are wealthy, upper class kids (even relatives of politicians) who join lefty-anarchist sects.

You see in Greece, the communist party secretary (KKE with 8-9% in elections) send's her daughter to the most expensive, private American College of Athens (Pierce College iirc). Poeple who are poor or with difficulty to work in a secured job, do not have even 10minutes to strike cause they work 3 and 4 jobs.

[G3SG1]

I know it seems sad. But the vast majority of people pillaging and burning shops are wealthy, upper class kids (even relatives of politicians) who join lefty-anarchist sects.

You see in Greece, the communist party secretary (KKE with 8-9% in elections) send's her daughter to the most expensive, private American College of Athens (Pierce College iirc). Poeple who are poor or with difficulty to work in a secured job, do not have even 10minutes to strike cause they work 3 and 4 jobs.

The communist party through proxies owns several big companies-capitalism at its best while they underpay their workers. :)

The funny thing that they are propagating against police and security forces while they publish the Greek police's official magazine in their ultra modern publishing company.

It is true that many of the kids who are out there destroying properties are kids of judges, politicians ( two arrests of children with a politician father this year)and other high profile citizens.

[Mein Teil]

So when does America start so we can show them how it's done?

[Extobulite]

Well said, my young padawan.

..... they are not throwing it at the Police but at those who are protecting the government. Police has no ideological opinion here. So essentially it is a war between people and their government, while police is doing its job and paying for it.

[Extobulite]

So when does America start so we can show them how it's done?

it wouldve started a while ago, but crumbling system has huge support in US and will be the last one to fall, thats when the sh1t will hit the fan. That is of course only speculation on my part judging by how progressive all these riots and revolts are.

[TheEvian100]

..... they are not throwing it at the Police but at those who are protecting the government. Police has no ideological opinion here. So essentially it is a war between people and their government, while police is its job and paying for it.

These are not "the people" because most of them are lefties or gov-paid public servants. Police's job is to defend the people (proper), order and Democracy.

[Mr.K]

These are not "the people" because most of them are lefties or gov-paid public servants. Police's job is to defend the people (proper), order and Democracy.
Right, so police , firefighters, nurses , doctors ,air traffic controllers , train conductors are all not "the people". I guess people are lawyers, bankers and social media consultants.

[GottLuft]

Great photos @enallos! Hellenic Police did a great job after all!
@GottLuft those people in the photos are not peacefull workers protesting.
They are professionals protesters, who beats and destroy whatever they find in every oporttunity.
They get what they deserve. But i agree with you, it is really sad.

Yea I understand what you mean,and actually I agree there is no doubt that there are always "bad guys" who just want to make troubles,but on this protests you can find old women and men and I think it's hard possible that they're "bad guys" and hooligans.There is also many fair and honest people of all ages who just fight for their rights and then they got beaten by police.

[vesthepes]

Why aren't the cops using rubber bullets and/or water cannons? Or a phalanx formation, bet the hippies would get a kick out of that.

Hippies?
Stop flaming and posting stupid comments like that..
Everybody who is protesting and takes it on the street is a hippie?
I'm not saying it's ok to be violent but people are on the streets because their corrupt gov ripped them off, at least they got the right to say it..

[Blutarsky]

I am so glad Helenic Army bought F16s and AH64s among other US weapon systems...

[v-twin]

So when does America start so we can show them how it's done?
May I lol? Seriously. All the Gwhatever summits that were held in North America got the police pwnd, hardcore, with the latest example being Toronto. If you want real crowd control take a trip in a former communist country. They may be violent but they're very professional and effective (NATO summit in Bucharest was the quietest damned meeting of this sort ever).


Hippies?
Stop flaming and posting stupid comments like that..
Everybody who is protesting and takes it on the street is a hippie?
I'm not saying it's ok to be violent but people are on the streets because their corrupt gov ripped them off, at least they got the right to say it.
The ****ups throwing molotov cocktails, setting **** on fire and attacking the cops are scum and they deserve to be treated that way. Ordinary citizens would not attack people that are in the same boat as them. Protests happened in Romania too where the gov't took the hardest and the most retarded (not the place to detail here why, take my word for it) austerity measures on the continent (+5 VAT, -25% all state employee salary) and there were protests too but nobody charged the cops and the cops didn't bash anyones' head in because they were all suffering). So yeah, every dumb **** attacking a policeman with a firebomb is a hippie who should be dealt with accordingly.

[limbic]

What are the rules of engagement in Greece? When can cops use live rounds in public order circumstances? I have repeatedly seen footage where small, isolated groups of police have been attacked by anarchists in coordinated Molotov strikes (where several bombs are thrown simultaneously). This is designed to set officers of fire and burn them to death, as it overwhelmed their trained response to stamp the petrol off their riot uniforms and have colleagues use their fire extinguishers on them. I am sure some Greek police have already been maimed if not killed by these fire-bombs. So there must be some circumstance under which they can open fire? What are they? Would the use of rooftop snipers be an option? I have heard that in some countries, police snipers do just that - pick off Molotov armed rioters.

[vesthepes]

May I lol? Seriously. All the Gwhatever summits that were held in North America got the police pwnd, hardcore, with the latest example being Toronto. If you want real crowd control take a trip in a former communist country. They may be violent but they're very professional and effective (NATO summit in Bucharest was the quietest damned meeting of this sort ever).


The ****ups throwing molotov cocktails, setting **** on fire and attacking the cops are scum and they deserve to be treated that way. Ordinary citizens would not attack people that are in the same boat as them. Protests happened in Romania too where the gov't took the hardest and the most retarded (not the place to detail here why, take my word for it) austerity measures on the continent (+5 VAT, -25% all state employee salary) and there were protests too but nobody charged the cops and the cops didn't bash anyones' head in because they were all suffering). So yeah, every dumb **** attacking a policeman with a firebomb is a hippie who should be dealt with accordingly.



Told you in the previous post I am against burning and lootin/attackinkg policemen..
They should be put to justice
Have you seen the pictures???
To me, it seems that police is the one beating on old people who are just there to support..
"Ordinary people" wouldn't beat anyone who is having their own opinnion about the situation, which is seriously f'ed up..
"attacking old people with bats and teargas is a ?? who should be dealt with accordingly"

[Diogenis]

What are the rules of engagement in Greece? When can cops use live rounds in public order circumstances? I have repeatedly seen footage where small, isolated groups of police have been attacked by anarchists in coordinated Molotov strikes (where several bombs are thrown simultaneously). This is designed to set officers of fire and burn them to death, as it overwhelmed their trained response to stamp the petrol off their riot uniforms and have colleagues use their fire extinguishers on them. I am sure some Greek police have already been maimed if not killed by these fire-bombs. So there must be some circumstance under which they can open fire? What are they? Would the use of rooftop snipers be an option? I have heard that in some countries, police snipers do just that - pick off Molotov armed rioters.

Hold your horses.Since the end of the dictatorship (1974) this whole thing has become a well orchestrated opera.As long as no insane policeman shoots any of those "anarchist" students in the exarchia ( the anarchist-students district in athens) everything will remain the same.The students will throw their molotov-cocktails and stones,the policemen will shoot their tear-gas,beating up few sons and daughters of leftist politicians (plus some unionists who get in their way "mistakenly").
:lol:

Most of the times nobody gets hurt.It is a game.Who knows that our current prime minister and our current opposition leader studied together and lived together in the same room..plus they were caught togeter throwing molotov-coktails and stones against policeman in new york during some anti-war protest.This is our current "political leadership";

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoniL3Uig5Y&feature=related

The guy (you all know him from TV) sitting on the left is Papandreou.Samaras is the guy standing on the right.
:roll:

[Diogenis]

Oh..I forget the line-up,sorry.
:oops:

Papandreou;Guitars & vocals.
Samaras;Drums & backing voacls.
The other two guys are unknown.But afaik they were not rich greeks in america.
:lol:

[v-twin]

Lol, Papandreou could be some sort of Greek Dubya.

[Diogenis]

@V-Twin

Tell you something..lots of greeks believe that Papandreou is not only greek but the next "european Dubya".Mark my words.

[Navigator]

I am so glad Helenic Army bought F16s and AH64s among other US weapon systems...

wootwoot Finally , yep !!! p-) we use US weapons since...... '50's being a NATO member , and F16 too yeah !!! really , since hmmm ... 80's p-)

:roll: WTF ??

[b0sco]

On the topic of budget cut riots, saw these earlier today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21GZTFRLvyk

Check the guy at 04:15, lol.

[Munifex]

Only in Spain and Portugal are permitted as pitchers shotguns. Other European countries choose to heavily protected by riot police and tear gas defenses .-

[m.i.t]

IMHO those scenes will be very common in Greece in long long time .

[TheEvian100]

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[iloxos]

IMHO those scenes will be very common in Greece in long long time .

It a 37 year old democratic tradition under the constitution. People can protest for anything-anywhere-as long as they want. Police is there to hit vandals.

Mass vandalism is a new trend as seen in rome and london earlier this month. Leftists probably wrote a new bible over their use of urban "warfare"

[Diogenis]

IMHO those scenes will be very common in Greece in long long time .

Well ofcourse.And ofcourse not only in greece but all over the developed world.There will be a lot of demonstrations and protests.This is how it works in developed countries.Still better than to have real civil war like some of our neighbours have in big areas of their country.Far better if you ask me.

[Extobulite]

It a 37 year old democratic tradition under the constitution. People can protest for anything-anywhere-as long as they want. Police is there to hit vandals.

Mass vandalism is a new trend as seen in rome and london earlier this month. Leftists probably wrote a new bible over their use of urban "warfare"


"yea its a tradition, yea it will phase out"....... Its a tradition in South Korea more than anywhere else, what is happening in Greece and whole of Europe is just gonna get bigger.

I am really surprised that all the Greek members here dismiss this as a minor thing and brand all activists as anarchists and rich kids with too much time on their hands - pathetic. You really expect this to phase out in Greece? there is also whole of EU that is going through samething, and do you really think somehow things will improve or police will somehow end the riots? What gives you that idea?

[Extobulite]

Well ofcourse.And ofcourse not only in greece but all over the developed world.There will be a lot of demonstrations and protests.This is how it works in developed countries.Still better than to have real civil war like some of our neighbours have in big areas of their country.Far better if you ask me.

what civil war in neighboring countries?

[Diogenis]

what civil war in neighboring countries?

Well.Google does a good job.Just try.
;-)

[Extobulite]

Well.Google does a good job.Just try.
;-)

thank you for a r3tarded answer ;)

[Diogenis]

thank you for a r3tarded answer ;)

One more off topic post and I will report it.

[Extobulite]

One more off topic post and I will report it.

you seriously have some issues, should check urself out at doctor, cuz ive never heard of any civil wars happening in Europe, unless youre secretly leading one. So without giving me rational reply about civil wars in europe i can easily diagnose you as retarded. Next time you mention a civil war find an appropriate topic for it, nutcase.

[Aor]

"yea its a tradition, yea it will phase out"....... Its a tradition in South Korea more than anywhere else, what is happening in Greece and whole of Europe is just gonna get bigger.

I am really surprised that all the Greek members here dismiss this as a minor thing and brand all activists as anarchists and rich kids with too much time on their hands - pathetic. You really expect this to phase out in Greece? there is also whole of EU that is going through samething, and do you really think somehow things will improve or police will somehow end the riots? What gives you that idea?

Spoke the expert on Greek society.

[Henry's Fork]

So when does America start so we can show them how it's done?

Oooooo open season on anarchists and "usefuls"...????

Where do i get my tags?

[beNder]

So when does America start so we can show them how it's done?

The bug out bag thread will be a very useful resource by 2012.

[Diogenis]

you seriously have some issues, should check urself out at doctor, cuz ive never heard of any civil wars happening in Europe, unless youre secretly leading one. So without giving me rational reply about civil wars in europe i can easily diagnose you as retarded. Next time you mention a civil war find an appropriate topic for it, nutcase.


No there was/is no civil war in europe in the last years.There are no UN-troops in countries of ex-yugoslavia keeping the peace.There is no civil war in FYROM between albanians & slavs.There is no civil war in SE anatolia with ten thousands of deaths and many destryoyed villages...honestly dude.I desperatly tried to keep this on topic.But you are reported.No education is no excuse to let you troll.

[Henry's Fork]

The bug out bag thread will be a very useful resource by 2012.

Fukin Mayans.

Think we would still be able to have web access, cell phone service, etc. if the SHTF in the US?

Better write or print that thread out to be safe.

[beNder]

Fukin Mayans.

Think we would still be able to have web access, cell phone service, etc. if the SHTF in the US?

Better write or print that thread out to be safe.

I live in hurricane ally. I have most of the thing I need. Except large containers of water.

[Henry's Fork]

I live in hurricane ally. I have most of the thing I need. Except large containers of water.

Heh, earthquake ally here. Water is one of my main worries. Until i get a couple of food grade 55 gal drums, i have about 25-30 old gal milk/green tea jugs filled with water in the basement that i refill/replace every year. That and a half dozen packs of katadyn micro pur tabs.

[Nightsky]

These are not "the people" because most of them are lefties or gov-paid public servants. Police's job is to defend the people (proper), order and Democracy.

You hit the nail here. I am against police beating their citizens and thus my opinion is in stark contrast to the majority of the posters here. however, democracy means, that the people can vote someone else in, even some socialist party or right wing populists. Fact is, they don't. So they shouldn't complain when things are just following the usual agenda. The people get what they deserve (i.e. vote for). So .... I can't see any wrongdoings of the police either, especially since I can't see any excess violence.

[Nightsky]

I am so glad Helenic Army bought F16s and AH64s among other US weapon systems...

Quoted for the dumbest post of the week - F16 against demonstrating citizens? Too bad your role models have died away, Stalin, Mao, Hitler would be proud of you ...
And if it's not meant this way, you somehow entirely missed the topic ...

[Snoshi]

Quoted for the dumbest post of the week - F16 against demonstrating citizens? Too bad your role models have died away, Stalin, Mao, Hitler would be proud of you ...
And if it's not meant this way, you somehow entirely missed the topic ...

I think he meant it a way how most Europeans are pissed at Greece.

[Diogenis]

I think he meant it a way how most Europeans are pissed at Greece.

Well,I am greek and during last months I visit many european countries.Most "europeans" are "pissed" far more at bankers and politicians than at greeks or irish people.
:roll:

I guess no one in the USA knows that greeks (the "normal ones") are the less indebted private households in whole europe.

[Geo4K]

My daughter is there right now... she is in the CYA program - College Year in Athens. With the ATC strike on and off, the riots, etc, I just want her home. She's safer going to school in New Orleans. Had a pretty good time, but it's really F'ed up there.

[iloxos]

My daughter is there right now... she is in the CYA program - College Year in Athens. With the ATC strike on and off, the riots, etc, I just want her home. She's safer going to school in New Orleans. Had a pretty good time, but it's really F'ed up there.

Greece is one of the safest places in europe. Your daughter could walk through the riot and none would hurt her.

I work with americans and europeans and we book rooms for them in the center of athens. Not even one has ever been stolen or threaten.

He have problems with our thief politicians not with tourists or students.

We are not criminals sir.

[Nightsky]

I think he meant it a way how most Europeans are pissed at Greece.

Oh, got it - didn't get this spin - my apologies to Blutarsky and thanks for clarification, Snoshi.

[Diogenis]

My daughter is there right now... she is in the CYA program - College Year in Athens. With the ATC strike on and off, the riots, etc, I just want her home. She's safer going to school in New Orleans. Had a pretty good time, but it's really F'ed up there.

Seriously.Do you know how many million tourists visit athens only this year in 2010?
:roll:

[Yu1980]

Again..

ATHENS, Greece — Young demonstrators hurled rocks and fire bombs at riot police as clashes broke out Wednesday in Athens during a mass rally against austerity measures, part of a general strike that crippled services and public transportation around the country.
Police fired tear gas and flash grenades at protesters, blanketing parts of the city center in choking smoke. Thousands of peaceful demonstrators ran to side streets to take cover. A police officer was attacked and his uniform caught fire in the city's main Syntagma Square, and his motorcycle was burned.
At least two people were injured and another three arrested. One group of rioting youths smashed paving stones in front of the central Bank of Greece, but there were no immediate reports of any serious damage.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/greek_riot_police_protesters_clash_pyep3g26ObCH9DGspf7eDM


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