who is the best spec ops in asia based on their past ops??

[pokel]

who is the best spec ops pls give me info................

[hist2004]

who is the best spec ops pls give me info................

I know that “best of” questions generate a lot of dialogue that usually ends in a locked topic-
With that, I would say the ROK (Republic of Korea) Marines, 9th Division & their Capital
Division (with limited Korean SF) had the best combat record in Southeast Asia. These
units don’t necessarily fit the classic definition of “spec ops” but they have my vote.

Regards,
Hist2004

[Aussie E]

The Gurhka's of Nepal aren't really spec-ops. But they have a great histroy of service and I wouldn't want to piss them off.

[TriggerPuller]

ROK Marines are damn good men!!

TP

[Uncle Sam]

ROK Marines are damn good men!!

TP

My Brother is stationed in Korea now with 160th SOAR, and he works with the ROK Rangers and ROK SF, he says they are tough little bastards!

[DarkAngel]

You cant really judge "the best" spec ops unit even by looking at their past operations, whether successful or not...

Singapore's SOF successfully stormed a passenger plane, and killed all the tangos inside, with NO loss of friendlies. How many other Asian spec ops units can claim the same?

But I would hesitate to say this proves they are "the best"... Look at the fiasco of Desert One... Definitely does not prove that Delta is no good...

[mikec62001]

I haven't seen that much information compared to the more "popular" western SF groups. I have only a pretty basic overview of asian SF units.

www.specialoperations.com does provide some background info to several units including Indonesian Kopsusas, and Singapore SF etc.

On a thread on this website someone posted a link to a Korean website where there was a short movie about ROKN SEALs. I thought it was pretty interesting and one this I noticed is they were exceptionally diciplined....maybe more so than western SF groups. (I think the link to the ROKN SEAL movie has been terminated)

In the book "One Perfect Op" by Master Chief Dennis Chalker he mentions he went on deployment to South Korea and trained with the ROK SEALs...he mentions thier very high discipline and extreme toughness....In one part of the book he said the US SEALs and ROK SEALs were doing a basic dive with Open Circuit breathing apparatus and one ROK SEAL made a mistake and he actually physically got beaten with a wooden Orr from one of the rubber boats by one of the ROK SEAL instructors ...which Dennis Chalker and myself thought was pretty harsh because it was only a very minor mistake to make.

It is hard to make a correct judgement on who is possibly the best..and again we come across this word. How do you determine "The Best"...what do you base it on etc and is it a fair judgement to make.

I would say there are some units that stand out from others...but to say one unit is the best is something I could not do with any SF unit...it seems an impossible judgement to make espcially when you haven't served or trained with those SF units you are judging.

[duck]

I have Korean friends who did their conscript time in one of the SF brigades. One thing they seem to teach is holding your liquor. ;)

[Pep's Bandit]

Phillipino Marine Force Recon and Army Rangers (best jungle fighters in asia)

[mikec62001]

What are your reasons for your answer....have you ever worked with the two units??

Saying someone is the best and not saying why isn't a good reason

[garoco]

Pep's Bandit Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:14 am Post subject:

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Phillipino Marine Force Recon and Army Rangers (best jungle fighters in asia)


Ever checked out the Gurkha's mate? Or Malaysian Scouts like the Iban trackers? I've worked with 'em both and they are superb.

[sheroo]

Why not compile a list of operations of different SF units in Asia and compare. I have high respect for every SF unit around the world. If they have been designated as SF then it pretty much means that their training and ability to complete the training course makes them among the best. here is a link to Special forces from India.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/Special-Forces/ :petting:

[sunnysandy]

Why not compile a list of operations of different SF units in Asia and compare. I have high respect for every SF unit around the world. If they have been designated as SF then it pretty much means that their training and ability to complete the training course makes them among the best. here is a link to Special forces from India.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/Special-Forces/




I agree with you.Long time back there was a series on Discovery called World of Valor.I remmember episodes about the Koreans and Phillipines SF ,their training was pretty tough and hardcore.
Gurkhas are also a very tough lot.Majority of Indian SF comprises of Gurkhas ,Tibeteans and other people from Hilly Regions in India.

[sunnysandy]

When the going gets tough, India tops
MANOJ JOSHI

TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ SATURDAY, JUNE 15, 2002 12:00:02 AM ]

NEW DELHI: Mention ‘Special Forces’ and the intrepid Israelis, the gung-ho Americans or the secretive British come to mind. But, it appears that it is the Indians who are the toughest of them all. This is what a gruelling contest determined last week.


The Israelis were not there, but a team of India’s 10 Special Forces (SF), led by Captain Krishnadas, outshone their counterparts from the US, South Africa, U.K., France, hosts Botswana and a clutch of African nations in the Kalahari desert.


The second Indian team came fifteenth, out of the 28 that participated in the annual event that took place between 8-10 June. In addition, the two teams won a number of individual prizes.


A proud Special Forces officer says this is all the more creditable since the teams, each comprising of an officer, a non-commissioned officer and three paratroopers “were pulled out of active duty and given just two months to prepare.” This is the first time India has been invited to participate in the event. Last year’s competition was won by the South African Special Forces.


The event required a trek of 87 kms over three days with full combat load of 50 kg, all the activity being conducted under the desert sun during the day. The contest was kicked off on June 8 by a paradrop of the teams close to the border with Namibia. The events then progressively moved them east towards the Okavango Delta.


Here the team led by Major Animish Ranade suffered a mishap at the outset when Commando Mool Singh’s parachute did not open and his emergency parachute landed him so hard that he fractured his ankle. Despite the mishap that cost the team points, it won the individual prize in the 35 kms endurance march that followed.


On June 9, Capt Krishandas’s team, scored with the individual prize for the navigation segment where the commandos have to move through 20 kms of trackless desert with just a compass, Ranade’s team stood second. This was topped by a casualty evacuation exercise that required them to carry a 50 kg deadweight, simulating a casualty, for 10 kms. Krishandas’ team stood first and Ranade’s second. On the last day the teams did a 17 kms speed march and Krishandas’ team again scored a first.


The Indians performed well in the other elements of the competition as well. These included a rifle and pistol firing competition, a 400 metre an observation lane exercise requiring them to spot seven targets and a final 5 kms home run that makes the grand finale of the gathering.


A senior officer told TNN that such competitions “which deal with our core business,” are a great boost for the professional elan of the force. India currently has four SF units that have traditionally been asked to do the toughest jobs in the battlefield.


Currently they specialise in counter-terrorist work where using their own intelligence, they operate independently against terrorist concentrations in remote mountain and jungle regions in Kashmir and the Northeast.

[mikec62001]

Quot: The Illustrated Guide to the World's Top Naval Special Warfare Units - by Samuel M Katz

Like Indonesia, the Thai Armed Forces are considered the elite of Southeast Asia, not only for their skills, training and equipment, but also for the Thai’s military decision to invest so heavily in its Special Forces. The naval special warfare units under the command and control of the Royal Thai Special Warfare Command are the Royal Thai Marine Recon Battalion’s Amphibious Reconnaissance Company is considered among the elite in the Thai Special Forces community because it is tasked with reconnaissance and assault in both an amphibious and underwater role

[Half Pint]

The Koreans are very tough. I know the Philippines' Army Scout Rangers, Phil Marines Force Recon and Navy SWAG (Special Warfare Group, same as with the US Navy SEALs) are superb too. US Army Special Forces learns alot in the Scout Rangers. BTW, the Filipino troops who were with the Americans & Polish soldiers who got ambushed & pinned down a few months back were all Scout Rangers...There were 4 or 5 of them i think and they charged out of their position, the ONLY troops who went out and charged the Iraqis.

I know that Singaporean SOFs took down a jetliner back then (it's posted here right?) Along also with the Thai SOF who took the down the hospital...I think in every SOF of every unit (Army, Navy, whatever..) of every country, there will always be a bunch of people who really knows what they're doing, and there will be some, who, for some reason we don't know..were not that good. :)

[n4292936]

Here's a pic of Aussie TAG with Thai CT forces for those who are interested

http://www.defence.gov.au/news/armynews/editions/1103/images/6wyvnaug12.jpg
Kopassus may be well trained but many of them are also murderous pieces of **** who were complicit in the violence in East Timor in 99. Malaysia has naval combat divers ala SBS who have performed some maritime security work in the straights (counter piracy and narcotics) and the Singaporeans are likewise experienced in those sorts of operations. The Philippines, as has been mentioned, have some excellent SF forces, and as was recently posted Brunei has some quality teams as well.
There is no best, its an entirely subjective judgement and there just has't been enough ops for these guys to compare them side by side (a good thing given that it would mean war on Oz's doorstep)

[Auzzzie]

We haven't had to defend our borders since WWII, but if we have to again, then I think you will see what we are capable of. :)

[Warlord]

I don't want to sound biased just because I myself come from the Philippines. But we are the only country now Asia with a continuos low-to-mid-level guerrila conflict in the past 30 years. Most of our spec-ops units people have to be feilded and encounter at least one combat situation before they actually graduate from whatever spec ops unit they are in i.e. Scout Rangers, Special Action Force (Police Paramilitary), SWAG, SFG......

Despite our country being backward/poor the rest of Asia might still be able to learn something from us.

When I was 14 there was an outpost (a tiny cement house actually|)manned by six soldiers just a few kilometers from my village. It was raided and an all out firefight ensued. In the morning when militia was able to get through the outposts perimeter was red with blood but no enemy bodies were found except some body parts. 3 of the six soldiers died. The survivors, one lost his right eye, the other an arm the other had 4 bullets in his body. . One of those killed jumped over a grenade.

Another one that happened just last year when 70 or so muslim rebels appeared in a feild in one of the hristian villages in the south. They were fought of by militia killin 35 of them. Our militia is armed with M14's and jungle bolos. The militia consisted of a village cheif, 3 farmer brothers, other farmers and storeowners.....


Imagine that.

[n4292936]

Like the US, Australian Special Forces are currently in the Philippines to help train your SF groups, and of course to cross train :D

[digrar]

Indonesia would have been in a constant conflict within their borders since the late fifties early 60s, up in Borneo, Timor, Irian Jaya, Ambon ect.

[n4292936]

DigRAR, the Defence white paper in 2000 finally got around to recognising that Aus faces little risk of attack on our mainland by conventional forces in the current set of circumstances. Someone finally came around to the understanding that the TNI is used principally for domestic security and will be for the foreseeable future. The Mollucus and Aceh are the biggest problems at the moment. Of the 3 million people on Irian Jaya only about 1 million are indigenous, and the only unifying language among them is indonesian ironically enough - little chance of an effective succesionist movement developing there, especially after Koppassus murdered their leader.

[digrar]

I think our friend Eurico Guterres from East Timor had a bit to do with the Irain Jaya developments, not bad for a bloke on bail while his appeal for Timor related attrocities goes through.