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ss-zari
08-15-2004, 08:49 PM
NAJAF, Iraq, Aug. 14 -- Ahmed Eisa sent his wife and two young children out of Najaf "to make sure there is someone to remember me after I die" and took up his post near the shrine of Ali, he said, with an old AK-47 rifle to shoot at U.S. soldiers.

He says he is willing to die -- he insists he wants to die -- with the Mahdi Army, a militia loyal to a young Shiite cleric, because he is convinced that the United States intends to stay in Iraq and oppress Shiite Muslims.

As negotiations to end fighting in Najaf broke down Saturday, U.S. and Iraqi soldiers again prepared for an assault on the followers of the cleric, Moqtada Sadr. And on the other side of the sprawling cemetery that surrounds the shrine, Sadr's followers also prepared for battle.

Eisa, 34, who usually works in a graphics shop designing business cards and stationery, is a gunman for the Mahdi Army. He prefers the title sniper, but in fact, his ancient Kalashnikov is not very accurate, and the bullets often jam in the mechanism.

His job does not require accuracy, though.

"I am supposed to shoot at the American tanks to harass them, to draw their attention, to give my colleague some time to fire at them with an RPG" -- a rocket-propelled grenade, he said.

Eisa performed that duty five times during the recent fighting, darting from his position in the second line of Mahdi Army fighters. The first line hides behind a wall next to the cemetery, and the second line is poised in the warren of century-old brown brick houses that abuts the cemetery.

The Americans are on the other side. In between, among tombs as old as 1,300 years, are the contested killing grounds.

"I know the Americans have better weapons. They have better plans. They have uniforms that cost $3,000, and we have only our clothes," Eisa said. "But I have principles. I have holy land to defend. I have family to protect, so I feel stronger than them. The occupation forces are nothing but mercenaries who fight for money, so I feel stronger."

Eisa's fervor is shared by his fellow fighters in the Mahdi Army, though his background is not. Sadr has grown his militia -- their self-adopted name of army is somewhat grandiose -- from poor and young Shiites drawn to his revolutionary rhetoric. Eisa, however, is a graduate of a computer vocational college, an educated man who could be called middle-class and middle-aged.

A lean man at 5-foot-7 and 150 pounds, his pale face, glasses and uncalloused hands suggest a life spent indoors more than out. A full beard indicates his faith.

Eisa -- whose name means Jesus, considered a prophet in Islam -- explained in a lengthy telephone interview and further conversations in Najaf how he arrived at this point. For Iraq's Shiites, a sense of oppression comes legitimately. Shiites suffered under former president Saddam Hussein, and Eisa said he counts 27 relatives who were executed during that three-decade era.

"We don't even know where they were buried," he said.

After high school, Eisa fulfilled his compulsory military duty in the Republican Guard. He deserted three times, he said, which was not unusual for men living in the harsh conditions of the military. Each time, he returned under an amnesty.

He finished his service in 1993, then attended computer classes at a technological institute. He finished, got married and in 1998 began working in a graphics shop. Eisa said he welcomed the fall of Hussein, but not the U.S. occupation.

"I am old enough now to differentiate between occupation and freedom," he said. "It's not true that the Americans came to get rid of Saddam. It was only a trick to occupy the country."

"We all know that Bush announced twice that this is a crusade. So we know they are targeting a certain group," the Shiites, he said. "We know the strategic importance of Iraq in the region and the wealth of our country. They want to control it. They want to control our oil, our wealth and the world."

"There is something called patriotism," he added. "I like my country, and I saw the U.S. forces did not come to protect us. So I wanted to follow the leader who can demand my rights and defeat the occupation. The U.S. forces are occupiers, so we have to resist them."

Eisa fought in what he calls "the first uprising" against the Americans, fierce street fighting in Najaf between U.S. forces and insurgents in April that left hundreds of Iraqis dead. The Iraqi government that officially took power June 28 is nothing but a puppet of the Americans, he said, and Eisa willingly answered the call to arms nine days ago when fighting broke out again.

He kissed his daughter, 3-year-old Um Albanin, and his 6-month-old son, Mohammed Ali, and sent them with his wife to the safer outskirts of Najaf. He then joined his unit, the 315th Battalion.

The worst fighting was Thursday, he said.

"I smelled the weapons, and the blood of dead people," Eisa said, recounting the pitched battle in the graveyard that resulted in scores of casualties. "I don't know how many were killed. I heard the bullets and even felt the heat of the bullets, but God protects me.

"Sometimes we had wounded people, and we couldn't evacuate them because I didn't want to leave my post. I just wanted to die for my cause. So I stayed in my place, hoping to become a martyr.

"I saw one of my colleagues try to attack a tank with his RPG. The U.S. soldier shot him in the head, about 25 meters from me. His head was destroyed. It was a terrible scene."

As the fighting stopped Saturday while negotiators tried to work out a cease-fire, Eisa mixed in a throng of thousands of supporters who came from inside and outside Najaf to show their support for the Mahdi Army. They milled about outside the shrine. When he found a colleague he had not seen since the battle, the two hugged.

Eisa has an identity card -- "Sadr's Martyr Division," it says -- but like the others in the militia, he doesn't have a uniform. He wears loose fitting black pants, a casual shirt and a green cloth around his wrist to signify closeness to Allah.

As Sadr passed the crowd, Eisa joined in chants, thrusting his fist in the air and stamping his feet. "Long live Sadr! Allawi and the government are blasphemous," he shouted, referring to Prime Minister Ayad Allawi.

The temporary lull in fighting during the negotiations boosted the spirits of the men. "This is a great victory for the Iraqis and the Mahdi Army," Eisa said. "This is evidence that we defeated the occupation forces and we are a legitimate resistance demanding the Iraqi's rights. This is victory."

But if so, it was short-lived. The negotiations faltered late in the day. Eisa and the other militiamen slipped back to their posts at the edge of the cemetery, waiting for night. Waiting for the Americans.

Kilgor
08-15-2004, 09:01 PM
Strange, how these guys never stood up to Saddam with the same vigor :roll:

chauncy republicans
08-15-2004, 09:03 PM
Strange, how these guys never stood up to Saddam with the same vigor :roll:
LOL What a dumb thing to say! :cantbeli:

LordHalbert
08-15-2004, 09:28 PM
They tried and were slaughtered without mercy.

The ****es feared Saddam more than the current coalition.

You can control a population through fear.

Kilgor
08-15-2004, 10:01 PM
Strange, how these guys never stood up to Saddam with the same vigor :roll:
LOL What a dumb thing to say! :cantbeli:

why ?

Kilgor
08-15-2004, 10:07 PM
no.. maybe I will

Cause saddam was such a bad bad man who immediately put to death any uprising or religious trouble, and with anyone against his rule was immediately put to death.

On the other hand, some people who claim the americans are not much better, but clearly this isnt so.

They consider themselves lucky they can even think about armed struggle now without being rounded up and put to death.

Give them a inch and they will take a mile . :roll:

My opinion of saddam has changed somewhat over this conflict. He was and always will be, a savage butcher of men, women and children but it was the only way to keep Islamic extremism, fighting, and trouble fully undercontrol and in check. Its either a strongman that doesnt take any religious bull**** (though claims to be one) or a middle east country that turns into a Iranian style fundamentalist ****hole.

Now that the Americans take away all the dictatorship style rule, the religious nuts think they can have a free ride in the place.

Now the big cats away, the little mice begin to play.

One?
08-15-2004, 10:41 PM
300,000 shia were killed in the uprising. Most of southern iraq was under their control (Sadr to be more exact) until the US allowed saddam to suppress the uprising buy letting him use the airspace. :bash:

khukuri
08-15-2004, 11:19 PM
300,000 shia were killed in the uprising. Most of southern iraq was under their control (Sadr to be more exact) until the US allowed saddam to suppress the uprising buy letting him use the airspace. :bash:

yup!

:bash:

seruriermarshal
08-16-2004, 12:32 AM
300,000 shia were killed in the uprising. Most of southern iraq was under their control (Sadr to be more exact) until the US allowed saddam to suppress the uprising buy letting him use the airspace. :bash:

What's your idea ?

:bash:

One?
08-16-2004, 12:47 AM
Strange, how these guys never stood up to Saddam with the same vigor :roll:



300,000 shia were killed in the uprising. Most of southern iraq was under their control (Sadr to be more exact) until the US allowed saddam to suppress the uprising buy letting him use the airspace. :bash:

What's your idea ?

:bash:


there's my idea!

usa320
08-16-2004, 01:02 AM
300,000 shia were killed in the uprising. Most of southern iraq was under their control (Sadr to be more exact) until the US allowed saddam to suppress the uprising buy letting him use the airspace

But our president was busy doing other "duties" of his to care...

:cantbeli:

One?
08-16-2004, 01:06 AM
Actualy the US realised that the uprising was going to turn iraq into a shia state, therefore losing the potential oil fields. So they allowed saddam to supress them instead of having a second iran.

seruriermarshal
08-16-2004, 01:10 AM
Actualy the US realised that the uprising was going to turn iraq into a shia state, therefore losing the potential oil fields. So they allowed saddam to supress them instead of having a second iran.

Just a guess by you .

One?
08-16-2004, 01:33 AM
Actualy the US realised that the uprising was going to turn iraq into a shia state, therefore losing the potential oil fields. So they allowed saddam to supress them instead of having a second iran.

Just a guess by you .

is it? Would the US want Iraq to turn into a muslim state?

seruriermarshal
08-16-2004, 01:41 AM
Actualy the US realised that the uprising was going to turn iraq into a shia state, therefore losing the potential oil fields. So they allowed saddam to supress them instead of having a second iran.

Just a guess by you .

is it? Would the US want Iraq to turn into a muslim state?

Stop talk about it ! U.S. isn't anti-muslim , An example is Kuwait .

OB Kenobi
08-16-2004, 01:43 AM
Actualy the US realised that the uprising was going to turn iraq into a shia state, therefore losing the potential oil fields.

It will be ironic if after all this the people America winds up having to protect are the Baathists/Sunnis.

One?
08-16-2004, 01:52 AM
Actualy the US realised that the uprising was going to turn iraq into a shia state, therefore losing the potential oil fields. So they allowed saddam to supress them instead of having a second iran.

Just a guess by you .

is it? Would the US want Iraq to turn into a muslim state?

Stop talk about it ! U.S. isn't anti-muslim , An example is Kuwait .


I'm not saying the US is anti-muslim. But if the uprising continued, the clerics would have taken over, and it would have been like Iran. Would the US have a problem with it then?

Kilgor
08-16-2004, 02:03 AM
yes. because they want to build a democratic iraq, not a theocratic ****hole full of human rights abuses and oppression.

Foreigner
08-16-2004, 02:26 AM
It's real sad to see young men die in hundreds, believing they are doing best for their country.


Strange, how these guys never stood up to Saddam with the same vigor

They tried...


is it? Would the US want Iraq to turn into a muslim state?

Isn't it iraqi business what kind of state they want to live in? Since you hold 'freedom' and 'democracy' so dear...


Stop talk about it ! U.S. isn't anti-muslim , An example is Kuwait .

US is not anti-muslim or anti-christian or whatever. But they are defending their interests and since the muslim way of life contradicts to the US one it will be kinda hard to become good allies. Especially when the 'muslims' control the blood that needs to keep our society going.


yes. because they want to build a democratic iraq, not a theocratic ****hole full of human rights abuses and oppression.

Why is it our duty to build a democartic Iraq? Why do we need to sacrifice our men and our money for the sake of people that do not want to be 'rescued'. If they want to live in an opression then let them.


It's ironic that Saddam would be the man that the USA needs right now. A strong and a secular man that doesn't take **** from anybody.

Midtown
08-16-2004, 02:29 AM
im so sick of all this Anti US ****, I cant wait till china or russia ****s up and we get to hear ppl bitch about them for a while. (no offense to russia, china can kiss my ass tho)

Kilgor
08-16-2004, 02:45 AM
Why is it our duty to build a democartic Iraq? Why do we need to sacrifice our men and our money for the sake of people that do not want to be 'rescued'. If they want to live in an opression then let them.


It's ironic that Saddam would be the man that the USA needs right now. A strong and a secular man that doesn't take **** from anybody.

Its a domino effect, though this time there are very severe troubles ahead if there is more stability in the middle east for the entire world. Having more and more countries fall into a theocratic fascist order is not a good thing. Especially when they desire to have nukes. Id say one of the main goals of the islamofascists is the overthrow of the saudi royal family, which would really hurt the US and world economy.

Like I said, in a post above Saddam was a bad man, but there was methods to his cruelty and madness. To keep the religious idiots from fighting each other and taking over the government.

Foreigner
08-16-2004, 03:01 AM
Its a domino effect,

Just like Vietnam?


though this time there are very severe troubles ahead if there is more stability in the middle east for the entire world.

S. American countries aren't stable at all, why does the ME needs to be stable? Because we have economic interests over there....


Having more and more countries fall into a theocratic fascist order is not a good thing.

If that's their wish..


Especially when they desire to have nukes.

Now that's a bad thing. I don't care if they wanna opress eachother, as long as they leave the developed world alone.


Id say one of the main goals of the islamofascists is the overthrow of the saudi royal family, which would really hurt the US and world economy.

So where is the democracy in SA? People are unsatisfied about the authocratic rule of the royal family so they will uprise. Same goes for Pakistan and dictator Musharaf.


Like I said, in a post above Saddam was a bad man, but there was methods to his cruelty and madness. To keep the religious idiots from fighting each other and taking over the government.

Yep, a strong and a secular man.

Foreigner
08-16-2004, 03:05 AM
Kilgor, just out of curiousity, where are you from?

Kilgor
08-16-2004, 03:10 AM
australia

stephane from Paris
08-16-2004, 03:40 AM
My opinion of saddam has changed somewhat over this conflict. He was and always will be, a savage butcher of men, women and children but it was the only way to keep Islamic extremism, fighting, and trouble fully undercontrol and in check. Its either a strongman that doesnt take any religious bull**** (though claims to be one) or a middle east country that turns into a Iranian style fundamentalist ****hole.


Nice Kilgor! It's what i said many time last year! It's sad to says that but removing this tyran wasn't the interrest of West!!! Having a new 70's Lebanon or a new Iran was a major problem!
Again neocons had a very very wrong idea of ME situation!

One_A
08-16-2004, 08:37 AM
...He says he is willing to die -- he insists he wants to die -- with the Mahdi Army, a militia loyal to a young Shiite cleric, because he is convinced that the United States intends to stay in Iraq and oppress Shiite Muslims.

"I am old enough now to differentiate between occupation and freedom," he said. "It's not true that the Americans came to get rid of Saddam. It was only a trick to occupy the country."

"We all know that Bush announced twice that this is a crusade. So we know they are targeting a certain group," the Shiites, he said. "We know the strategic importance of Iraq in the region and the wealth of our country. They want to control it. They want to control our oil, our wealth and the world."...

What I want to know is why they believe this? I'm sure they have reasons to back their arguements. The U.S. work harder to make them understand, that yes, oil interests are important to us, but occupation is not our objective.

ss-zari
08-16-2004, 09:41 AM
From London to Iraq - the latest recruits to the Mahdi army

'It is dangerous, but we have our belief.' Rory McCarthy in Najaf talks to the first Britons known to join the Shia rebels

Wednesday August 11, 2004
The Guardian

The two young men sitting cross-legged in a small room off the courtyard of the Imam Ali shrine looked like any of the fighters around them.

Their beards were short and neat, their feet bare and their dress the simple dishdasha, the Arab robe. They were deferential to their militia commander and spoke idealistically of defeating the military might of America in Iraq's holy city of Najaf.

But both were from London, the first Britons known to have joined the Mahdi army, one of the most prominent fighting groups in the Islamic insurgency that has gripped Iraq in the year since the invasion.

Though the two men were born in Iraq - one in Najaf, the other in Baghdad - their families took them to England as children. They went to school and college in the capital, picked up strong London accents and British passports and finally returned to the country of their birth for the first time on Monday.

Their sole aim: to fight a "jihad" with a ragtag Shia militia loyal to the young cleric Moqtada al-Sadr. The Mahdi army and its allies have staged violent uprisings across south ern Iraq and are now battling the US and British armies and the Baghdad government.

Neither would give his name, but the elder, a confident 23-year-old, used the nomme de guerre Abu Haqid (father of fury). He said he had studied English and worked in a supermarket. The younger, quieter man - his 21-year-old nephew -called himself Abu Turab (father of dust, the connotation of death). He had been studying to be a computer teacher.

The pair had travelled secretly into Iraq in the past few days, via a "not legit" route, according to Abu Haqid.

They had talked to others in London about coming out to fight. "Some said they would wait and see what happens to us," he said. "We told them 'our brothers are fighting down there, they are not eating well, they are not sleeping well, we have to be in the same place as them, the same position as them'."

They had the support of their families, Abu Haqid added: "It is our religion and our families can't stop this thing. We all have a belief, me and my family, when it comes to jihad. We asked our families and they said yes. It is good to protect your country and be there with your brothers."

For the first two days the pair were to be trained to use the Kalashnikov AK-47 assault rifles that most carry, as well as BKC machine guns, mortars and rocket-propelled grenades.

"They are training us how to use the weapons and how to move quickly when we move," said Abu Turab. "We are going to complete our training and soon we will start fighting."

On their first night they were handed a BKC machine gun and sent out into the Valley of Peace, the vast, ancient graveyard to the north of the old city of Najaf that has become the frontline of the latest six-day uprising.

"They taught us how to use the gun - it's simple at the end of the day. I didn't see any Americans. They were very far away," said Abu Haqid. "It was good fun actually. It was dangerous but we have our belief."

Mr Sadr's militiamen are mainly fighting from the alleyways of the old city, using old weapons and no body armour. They face a force of thousands of US marines, backed up by tanks, armoured personnel carriers and attack helicopters.

Asked where they slept at night, Abu Haqid said: "We believe Najaf is a holy city, so wherever you are in it you will just chill out and sleep."

"There is no salary," said Abu Turab. "The food is simple, no barbecues or anything. Just a simple sandwich of bread and nothing else. But we believe that if you see your brothers ... and someone is killing them and it is not fair then you have to stand with them and support them, in Palestine or any place."

The pair said they wanted to come to Iraq to fight as soon as the US invaded last year. "They were wrong to come to our country. They said they came for chemical weapons and they didn't get permission from the UN, so they attacked Iraq for no reason," said Abu Turab.

"It's pride, my friend. It is pride," said the other. "If someone wants to step on your head I don't know if it would be accepted in Europe or England."

They planned their trip for months and when Mr Sadr emerged as a powerful leader after organising a series of uprisings in April, they de cided to volunteer to join his force. "Bush said 'you are either with us or against us'," Abu Haqid added. "We had to decide either to be with him or against him, and we are against him definitely."

Both were at pains to point out their disapproval of Osama bin Laden and the al-Qaida network and insisted their presence in Mr Sadr's militia did not amount to terrorism, because they were fighting against uniformed soldiers.

"Bin Laden and his group are totally against our belief, killing innocent civilians," said Abu Haqid. "Killing innocent people we cannot do. That is terrorism, this is defending your country."

Foreigner
08-16-2004, 09:47 AM
Though the two men were born in Iraq - one in Najaf, the other in Baghdad - their families took them to England as children. They went to school and college in the capital, picked up strong London accents and British passports and finally returned to the country of their birth for the first time on Monday.

Good work Europe.