Chechnya: Forced Dress Code for Women in Chechnya

[MGL:s Reconstructors]

i think local men need a Dress Code more then women...

http://foto.lib.ru/img/w/wishnewec_j_l/alb_0630/img_8382.jpg


Since the start of Ramadan in mid-August, Human Rights Watch has received numerous reports from Chechnya about women being harassed in the streets of Grozny, the republic's capital, for not covering their hair and/or wearing clothes deemed too revealing. ....
In the first days of Ramadan, groups of men in traditional Islamic dress (loose pants and tunic) claiming to represent the republic's Islamic High Council (muftiat) started approaching women in the center of Grozny, publicly shaming them for violating modesty laws and handing out leaflets with detailed description of appropriate Islamic dress for females. They instructed women to wear headscarves and to have their skirts well below the knees and sleeves well below the elbow.
The alleged envoys from the Islamic High Council were soon joined by aggressive young men who pulled on the women's sleeves, skirts, and hair, touched the bare skin on their arms, accused them of being dressed like harlots, and made other humiliating remarks and gestures. In two cases reported to Human Rights Watch, members of the Chechen law enforcement were among the attackers. For several years, women in Chechnya have been the target of a quasi-official virtue campaign. The Chechen authorities have banned women who refuse to wear headscarves from working in the public sector. Female students are also required to wear headscarves in schools and universities. Though these measures have not been codified into law, they are strictly enforced and publicly supported by the republic's president, Ramzan Kadyrov. In June 2010, Human Rights Watch received credible reports of individuals, including law enforcement agents, pelting uncovered women on the streets with paintball guns. At least one of the women had to be hospitalized as a result. In an interview with the television station "Grozny" on July 3, 2010, Kadyrov expressed unambiguous approval of this lawless practice by professing his readiness to "award a commendation" to the men engaged in these activities. He also stated that the targeted women's behavior deserved this treatment and that they should be ashamed to the point of "disappearing from the face of the earth."
"When a public official like Ramzan Kadyrov praises this cruel violence, he is openly encouraging physical assault and public humiliation of women," said Lokshina. "It's time the federal government stood up for the rights of Chechen women."
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,HRW,COUNTRYNEWS,RUS,,4c762dbb1a,0.html



The Russian Orthodox Church floats the idea of a national dress code against sleazy women, and gains only one supporter: Chechen President Kadyrov. Public opinion criticises the Church for interfering in people’s private life.



http://www.speroforum.com/a/47231/Russia---Chechen-president-backs-dress-code-proposed-by-Moscow-Patriarchate

[Arbody]

Only for Chechen women , I give fak what those savages do with their womens

[80 EAN]

let aside the people in this photo, the whole backround is depressing....what a ****hole to live in....

[Zeev]

only for chechen women , i give fak what those savages do with their womens
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[Ataman]

let aside the people in this photo, the whole backround is depressing....what a ****hole to live in....

True, reminds me of our students' hostel... *g*

[doll4rs]

let aside the people in this photo, the whole backround is depressing....what a ****hole to live in....
Any Russian city has its share of buildings like that, any single one.

Actually, i'm pretty sure any city of any country has some buildings like that.

And we are talking about a place that had war going on couple of times last 20 years.

[Derbedeu]

Only for Chechen women , I give fak what those savages do with their womens

Aren't those women your fellow citizens?

[doll4rs]

Aren't those women your fellow citizens?
Naaah, according to some people "Russian is a state of soul" or something, thus they are not Russians at all, who cares what passports they have.

Derp.

[Az_esm]

Hmm, i remembered old interview with chechen woman and her words about why she is fighitnig(she was a sniper of russian forces) with her own people. There were definatly some words like "those fanatics attitudes to women like they are untermenschen".

Our government should be less tolerant in questions of the providing same laws and culture for all nations. Or we'll have another big bunch of problems in some years later.

[intelligenzija]

Any Russian city has its share of buildings like that, any single one.

Actually, i'm pretty sure any city of any country has some buildings like that.

And we are talking about a place that had war going on couple of times last 20 years.

+ this picture is quite old... it was before federal money was pumped into the republic

[Stormz_STA]

Only for Chechen women , I give fak what those savages do with their womens

First in Grozny, then in Moscow.
Sharia Law for all Russians!

[Philareth]

Isn't it a bit anti-constitutional? I mean the 14th and 15th articles of the Russian Constitution? Or am I mistaken?

[Arbody]

Isn't it a bit anti-constitutional? I mean the 14th and 15th articles of the Russian Constitution? Or am I mistaken?
Yep but instead of it we can torture them legally ;) and remembr that Burkas and Tortures are Chechen culture heritage

[MGL:s Reconstructors]

Only for Chechen women , I give fak what those savages do with their womens

whats about the Russian women who live in Chechnya?


First in Grozny, then in Moscow.
Sharia Law for all Russians!

x2


Isn't it a bit anti-constitutional? I mean the 14th and 15th articles of the Russian Constitution? Or am I mistaken?

do you think tribe leaderKadyr cares about the Russian Constitution?

[Az_esm]

Naaah, according to some people "Russian is a state of soul" or something, thus they are not Russians at all, who cares what passports they have.

Derp.
Try to find some chechens which speak about themselves primary as about Russians and not as "i'm citizen of Russia but the main thing that i'm nocho and i'm proud of it".

[Russianlynxy]

LOL. on picture there is a sign that says "CHECHEN LOTO/BINGO"

can only wonder what that is...

analog of "Russian Roulette"?

[Cyborn]

LOL. on picture there is a sign that says "CHECHEN LOTO/BINGO"

can only wonder what that is...

analog of "Russian Roulette"?
x2 My thoughts exactly! :)

[AvdH]

It's a tragedy that most Russians and othe nationalities has left Chechnya for good due to the warand violence. Now the Chechen Republik is ethnically clean and turns into a islamistic state.
Imho this autonomy goes too far.

[sepheronx]

Naaah, according to some people "Russian is a state of soul" or something, thus they are not Russians at all, who cares what passports they have.

Derp.

so now, you are blowing Medvedev's speech out of context?

Go figure.

[Mousepad]

Good move from Ramzy, they'r quite fugly other there

[Yustas-Alex]

whats about the Russian women who live in Chechnya?
Almost all Russians were ethnically cleansed from Chechnya during 90s. It's almost monoethnic region today.

[Uncle_Vanya]

I can't believe what I am reading here. So not only is it okay for Kadyrov to kill Russian soldiers and then get the title of Hero of Russia, but its also okay for him to buy cars and build himself palaces with Federal funding and then blatantly violate the Constitution of the Federation? Does that not seem like a spit in the face to all of us who hold the Russian passport? And I am not a big fan of Chechens as a whole, but to advocate that its okay for them to harass their own women, that's just going a bit too far no? Would it also be okay if they start setting their toddlers on fire? Maybe its just my personal upbringing, but I always considered landing a hand to the weak a trait of my Russian culture.

[The Left Hand of God]

This islamization of Chechnya is a disrespect to all the russian soldiers who gave their lives to fight terrorism over there.

[MGL:s Reconstructors]

Almost all Russians were ethnically cleansed from Chechnya during 90s. It's almost monoethnic region today.

whats about families of the military men?

[Gunbird]

As much as Russians don't like Chechens, god knows why you guys are trying to hold onto that land.

[Az_esm]

As much as Russians don't like Chechens, god knows why you guys are trying to hold onto that land.
We remember 1991-94. If gave them freedom-we'll have second Afghanistan near our borders.
Besides, as for me, i don't hate them all.

[Yustas-Alex]

whats about families of the military men?

What military guy with a sane mind would bring family with him to this sh!thole? Do the Poles who serve in Afganistan or Iraq bring families with them there?


As much as Russians don't like Chechens, god knows why you guys are trying to hold onto that land.

We don't need it at all. But we gave them de-facto idependence once in 1996 and what they did? Established Sharia rule, started to take Russians from nearby regions as hostages (for ramsom or slavery) and finally attacked nearby Republic of Dagestan to annex it and turn to another Sharia sh!thole. If we would let them go now it all will repeat and I'm afraid in a far large scale.

[MGL:s Reconstructors]

What military guy with a sane mind would bring family with him to this sh!thole? Do the Poles who serve in Afganistan or Iraq bring families with them there?


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the officers who stay there for years?

[Yustas-Alex]

the officers who stay there for years?

As far as I know they are staying there only for several months. My cousin told me that staff is rotated periodically even on permanent bases (he is a military electronic engineer and frequently goes there for short equipment maintance missions).

[Sashko]

the officers who stay there for years?


Typical deployment for contracted personnel is 3 months at a time I believe.

[Arctic Leopard]

Aren't those women your fellow citizens?


No.

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[Yustas-Alex]

No.
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[AvdH]

Ts, ts. 20 years ago all have been brothers and sisters or at least comrades. ;)
In the 19th century nationalism unified the people. Today it seems only to create tensions. Especially of course in (former) multi-national or -ethnical countries. And in some states islamism has to be additionally mentioned. And that doesn't serve anyone well.

[Sashko]

Ts, ts. 20 years ago all have been brothers and sisters or at least comrades. ;)
In the 19th century nationalism unified the people. Today it seems only to create tensions. Especially of course in (former) multi-national or -ethnical countries. And in some states islamism has to be additionally mentioned. And that doesn't serve anyone well.



In case of Russia and then SU it wasn't nationalism but communism that put everyone into the melting pot.

Problems with representatives of certain mountain republics existed long before 1992, however they weren't as ****ounced.

[doll4rs]

No

x2..............
GTFO Russia.

Right now.

The hell are you going to say next - that Tatars are not your fellow citizens?

Or Bashkirs?

OR OHMYGOD - JEWS IN ALL CAPS

[doll4rs]

In case of Russia and then SU it wasn't nationalism but communism that put everyone into the melting pot.
Internationalism.

[Sashko]

GTFO Russia.

Right now.

The hell are you going to say next - that Tatars are not your fellow citizens?

Or Bashkirs?

OR OHMYGOD - JEWS IN ALL CAPS



Tatars and Bashkirs are. The proud highlander types might as well be from Mars - personally I feel no relation to the culture that sustained itself by stealing livestock and terrorizing their neighbors for the last 1000 years and has claims to innate genetic superiority.

Noxcha is a wolf and Russkiy is a swine - that is the Chechen outlook on being part of Russian Federation.

[doll4rs]

Tatars and Bashkirs are.

Were they always like this?

[MGL:s Reconstructors]

Ts, ts. 20 years ago all have been brothers and sisters or at least comrades. ;)
In the 19th century nationalism unified the people. Today it seems only to create tensions. Especially of course in (former) multi-national or -ethnical countries. And in some states islamism has to be additionally mentioned. And that doesn't serve anyone well.

nationalism(national-romanticism) never unified the people


Tatars and Bashkirs are. The proud highlander types might as well be from Mars - personally I feel no relation to the culture that sustained itself by stealing livestock and terrorizing their neighbors for the last 1000 years and has claims to innate genetic superiority.

Noxcha is a wolf and Russkiy is a swine - that is the Chechen outlook on being part of Russian Federation.

Noxcha?

[Arbody]

Noxcha?
Chichis call theirself's Nohchi

[Russianlynxy]

yeah they call themselves Nohchi Borz (chechen wolf)... more like jackals to me...

[Sashko]

Were they always like this?



Kind of irrelevant. We live in the now.

[harryc]

Tatars and Bashkirs are. The proud highlander types might as well be from Mars - personally I feel no relation to the culture that sustained itself by stealing livestock and terrorizing their neighbors for the last 1000 years and has claims to innate genetic superiority.

...snip...

As a descendant of Scottish Highlanders I take exception to this. Stealing livestock and terrorizing your neighbors for 1000yrs gives you that innate genetic superiority. And prepares you for the sudden, involuntary, relocation that follows.

[MGL:s Reconstructors]

Typical deployment for contracted personnel is 3 months at a time I believe.


As far as I know they are staying there only for several months. My cousin told me that staff is rotated periodically even on permanent bases (he is a military electronic engineer and frequently goes there for short equipment maintance missions).

so you have a spacial regulation for Chechnya? usually the officers stay for years

[AvdH]

nationalism(national-romanticism) never unified the people

E.g. Italy, Germany, Spain and others I was thinking of.

[Az_esm]

so you have a spacial regulation for Chechnya?
Yes. For example ministry of defence don't sends conscripts there, only contractors.

[Scythian]

If the Chechens want it who really cares? It is Chechen territory.

[Laworkerbee]

I'm so tired of reading about women getting ****ed over by pigs such as these all over the world.

[Az_esm]

If the Chechens want it who really cares? It is Chechen territory.
Soo fat 123

[Philareth]

do you think tribe leader Kadyr cares about the Russian Constitution?
I'm pretty sure he only cares about himself, but is Kadyrov the only one Chechen President of all the time? I doubt it.

If the Chechens want it who really cares? It is Chechen territory.
Sorry, Sir, but it is Russian Federation territory, in the first place.

[Arctic Leopard]

GTFO Russia.

Right now.

The hell are you going to say next - that Tatars are not your fellow citizens?


Or Bashkirs?

OR OHMYGOD - JEWS IN ALL CAPS

Tatars and Bashkirs don't run around talking about how different they are from Russians, and talking crap about how they are superior to Russians and disrespecting the Russian land.

I don't know what you've seen. But the things I've seen was the reason that I said what I said. Maybe you didn't see the things I saw, hence why you feel that way.

If they were good citizens who said they were our brothers/sisters, trust me, I'd have said "yes" instead of "no".

[MGL:s Reconstructors]

If the Chechens want it who really cares? It is Chechen territory.

you wrong its a RF territory


I'm so tired of reading about women getting ****ed over by pigs such as these all over the world.
+1

maybe its better to let mountain Chechnya go (or give it to Georgia as exchange for...) rest of it integrate into Stavropol Krai?

[sepheronx]

you wrong its a RF territory


+1

maybe its better to let mountain Chechnya go (or give it to Georgia as exchange for...) rest of it integrate into Stavropol Krai?

They tried that. We have gone over this. Are you daft?

Chechnya pulled some ****, and now it belongs to the RF again.

This **** needs to stop, and they need to put their foot down. Cause it is getting quite tiring (like Laworkerbee said) that they are mistreating women. The worst part is, a lot of these women fall for this ****. Black Widows anybody?

[Az_esm]

give it to Georgia as exchange for...
Lol, it would be Chechen empire then, not Georgia.)

[MGL:s Reconstructors]

Lol, it would be Chechen empire then, not Georgia.) not sure, but you will be happy with this;)

[The Left Hand of God]

If the Chechens want it who really cares? It is Chechen territory.

No, it's Russian Federation's territory.

[Akril]

maybe its better to let mountain Chechnya go (or give it to Georgia as exchange for...) rest of it integrate into Stavropol Krai?

Like it will change anything. They still will move to the Russian proper despite all this genetic superiority thing, stirring up ****s from Murmansk to Vladivostok. Especially when they lose access to federal money and install their vision of law, which will turn this place into giant ****hole. Not even reverse of Berlin Wall will stop them then.

You gotta keep this place under control regardless of complexity, otherwise the problems will only multiply.

[sepheronx]

Like it will change anything. They still will move to the Russian proper despite all this genetic superiority thing, stirring up ****s from Murmansk to Vladivostok. Especially when they lose access to federal money and install their vision of law, which will turn this place into giant ****hole. Not even reverse of Berlin Wall will stop them then.

You gotta keep this place under control regardless of complexity, otherwise the problems will only multiply.

You are giving them far too much credit. They don't have the numbers, support nor the power to do such a thing. The only thing they can do, is cause a lot of ****.

[Russianlynxy]

You are giving them far too much credit. They don't have the numbers, support nor the power to do such a thing.

wrong. Those 3-4 million people have more national spirit than us put together. If Russians care as much about preserving their own nationality and culture, and national idea, we would have a lot less problems... in almost every aspect of our society. Regarding numbers - they breed like crazy! People seem to forget that at the end of Second Chechen war demographics in Chechnya were horrid, something like 20 females/1 male. (on account of the war itself). In a few years they bounced right back and are probably the most fertile region in the whole country (being one of the poorest, if not THE poorest). Really is sad that 3-4 million people are able to make so much noise and have the other 137+ million grabbing their heads (people AND government) not knowing what to do with them.

btw interesting statistic... around 75% of today's Russia are ethnic Russians and various other Slavs. The rest are dominated by Tatars (~ 8 million) and other ethic sub-groups. So how much are Kavkaz?? 1-2%?

1-2% harassing the other 98% is what this all looks like.
Only can feel for the Ossetians who live in the midst of this sh*thole.

[sepheronx]

wrong. Those 3-4 million people have more national spirit than us put together. If Russians care as much about preserving their own nationality and culture, and national idea, we would have a lot less problems... in almost every aspect of our society. Regarding numbers - they breed like crazy! People seem to forget that at the end of Second Chechen war demographics in Chechnya were horrid, something like 20 females/1 male. (on account of the war itself). In a few years they bounced right back and are probably the most fertile region in the whole country. Really is sad that 3-4 million people are able to make so much noise and have the other 137+ million grabbing their heads (people AND government) not knowing what to do with them.

Well, time will tell. But I doubt that they have the power that you think they do. They may be louder, but does not mean that they have more national unity than the rest of Russia. There are of course a lot of people who will be critical of what their government does, and of course there are people who just hate themselves and their own people. But Russia has a lot of people and I doubt the 137+ million will simply just stay quiet.

The 3-4 million Chechens, may be fertile, but have a long way to go until they have the significant numbers. Not to mention, they live in tribal concept, and that they are squabbling for power (hence why they are killing each other).

[Russianlynxy]

The 3-4 million Chechens, may be fertile, but have a long way to go until they have the significant numbers. Not to mention, they live in tribal concept, and that they are squabbling for power (hence why they are killing each other).

Exactly. I am just saying the most dangerous aspect of all of this is ethnic conflict spilling in to other regions who have nothing whatsoever to do with any of this. But I dont think (and hope) sh*t doesn't hit the fan that bad.

[sepheronx]

Exactly. I am just saying the most dangerous aspect of all of this is ethnic conflict spilling in to other regions who have nothing whatsoever to do with any of this. But I dont think (and hope) sh*t doesn't hit the fan that bad.

If it does, then the Chechens are only making it harder on themselves. I was starting to think that in my country, that the liberals have gotten to everybody, and that the Muslims where going to continue to walk all over us. But it appears that even the average person here is becoming quite agitated about these extremists (they live here BTW) whom are constantly trying to change our way of life so it fits theirs.

Same thing is happening in plenty other countries, Russia non excluded.

[Russianlynxy]

If it does, then the Chechens are only making it harder on themselves. I was starting to think that in my country, that the liberals have gotten to everybody, and that the Muslims where going to continue to walk all over us. But it appears that even the average person here is becoming quite agitated about these extremists (they live here BTW) whom are constantly trying to change our way of life so it fits theirs.

Same thing is happening in plenty other countries, Russia non excluded.

That is true. The thing is, there are at least 15+ million other Muslims in Russia which have nothing to do with this and have lived in peace and commonality with Russians/Slavs for centuries (mainly Central Russia - Tatarstan, Bashkiriya, etc...). Nothing PC about it, just that cultural-warfare policy is also unhealthy method.

Look at Kazan and Tatarstan for example... today one of the leaders in Russian industry growth. From Kamaz trucks, to Mil-8MTV helicopters, to agricultural progress in recent years. Hardworking and talented region for sure, not just now, for many years.

Look at Chechnya - unemployment, corruption, and siphoning of investments. What to do with all this, no one has clear answer. Most of these people have never worked in their lifetime, and more importantly do not want to. (again, far not everybody, but most)

but North Caucasus could be a booming region indeed...It is a beautiful region. From world-class ski resorts to mineral rehabilitation and health centers - all ideas for entrepreneurship with high demand! Too bad no one wants to work. What they are fighting over over there is still a mystery to me.

[Az_esm]

wrong. Those 3-4 million people have more national spirit than us put together.
There were ~1,4mln chechens in Russia in 2002


What they are fighting over over there is still a mystery to me.
http://kubanezz.livejournal.com/14355.html

And not all the russians have less spirit. There are too much of such people, but, again, not all.
http://cupol.livejournal.com/375986.html

[Scythian]

The Chechens are very hardened fighters.They do need to stop infiltrating into Afghanistan they are only making the situation worse.Why do the Chechens go to wage jihad in Afghanistan? Are the Russians no longer a threat to them?

[kalerab]

The Chechens are very hardened fighters.They do need to stop infiltrating into Afghanistan they are only making the situation worse.Why do the Chechens go to wage jihad in Afghanistan? Are the Russians no longer a threat to them?

Who said that jihadists aren´t active in north Caucasus region anymore?

[MGL:s Reconstructors]

The Chechens are very hardened fighters.They do need to stop infiltrating into Afghanistan they are only making the situation worse.Why do the Chechens go to wage jihad in Afghanistan? Are the Russians no longer a threat to them?

no a-stan is a less dangerous place for them, and gives more $, European convents are far much harder they are the motor of Chechen resistance