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Seraphim
08-13-2003, 01:28 PM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=574&ncid=574&e=6&u=/nm/20030813/wl_nm/security_iran_qaeda_dc


TEHRAN (*******) - Iran's president said on Wednesday Tehran had no intention of allowing U.S. officials to interrogate any al Qaeda members it has arrested but would hand over any Saudi al Qaeda members it has to Riyadh.



Asked by reporters after a weekly cabinet meeting whether Iran would let U.S. officials question al Qaeda members detained in Iran, President Mohammad Khatami (news - web sites) responded with a firm "No."


U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage Tuesday told reporters in Canberra Washington wanted access to high-level members of Osama bin Laden (news - web sites)'s network held in Iran so that it can interrogate them on any future attacks al Qaeda may be planning.


Iran has refused to identify which al Qaeda members it has caught and has already ruled out handing them over to the United States.


Tehran says it will extradite some al Qaeda suspects to unspecified "friendly countries" and try those whose citizenship has been revoked and cannot be extradited.


A Saudi official told reporters in Washington Tuesday Iran was holding some key al Qaeda members, including the network's security chief and a son of bin Laden.


But he said Iran had not responded to requests for Saudi citizens among them to be extradited.


Asked about the issue Wednesday, Khatami told reporters: "We have always cooperated with Saudi Arabia...and we have no problem to hand them (Saudi al Qaeda members) over to Saudi Arabia."


The Saudi official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said around a dozen senior al Qaeda figures, as well as other al Qaeda members, were being held in "safe houses" in Iran.


He said that Iranian authorities had "total control" over the al Qaeda members but, "we don't know if they can still engage in terrorist activities."


Asked whether the al Qaeda members it has detained were being held in safe houses or in prison, Khatami said: "They are under arrest."


Iran says it has arrested and deported around 500 al Qaeda members in the last year who crossed into Iran from Afghanistan (news - web sites) and Pakistan. Many of them were sent to Saudi Arabia.


The Saudi official said those al Qaeda members being held in Iran included: Saad bin Laden, an older son of the Saudi-born al Qaeda leader; Egyptian Saif al Adel, believed to be the network's security chief; Kuwait-born Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, al Qaeda's spokesman; and Jordanian Abu Musab Zarqawi who has suspected al Qaeda ties and is accused of plotting the murder of a U.S. diplomat in Amman last year.

budanski
08-13-2003, 01:45 PM
"...and there shall be no distinction made between terrorists and the regimes that harbor them..."


Their attitude reminds me of the defiant tone of the Taliban... Let's see: They'll have nukes within 18 months or so...they won't give us the bad guys we're after... they don't like us...

Well? Isn't it time for some colorful saber-rattling yet?

Not a smart move when you're already on the 'Axis of Evil' list and given our troops are just over the border....

martinexsquaddie
08-13-2003, 01:52 PM
hah no chance not even Tony will follow you on that one :lol:
Iran would'nt hand over spitballs to the US.
Now asking the Saudi's for transcripts of Irans interrogation of al qaidia bet you if the mullas don't like you make camp X-ray look like a holiday camp :lol:.
The British have been supplying Military training and night vision equipment to Iranian Border guards for some time as they have been fighting a small bloody war against heroin smugglers from afganistan and where does afgan heroin get when it leaves iran Europe. so its in uk interest to stop it as close to source as possible. So possibly leave the big stick at home and try dipolomacy might work ;)

Midtown
08-13-2003, 02:19 PM
diplomawhat?

usa320
08-13-2003, 03:04 PM
I think the saudis are starting to get pissed off as well...

I heard the goons werent even jailed, but in "Safe houses".... Probably with phone and internet service and a courier to relay their information to afghanstian... :roll:

Iran is surrounded by democracy and hundreds of thousands of US and allied soldiers... Not to mention the people in their own country who would love to see the Mullah hanging in the street... I think they need to think again.

budanski
08-13-2003, 04:14 PM
http://www.noisedesignlab.com/buddy/pershing.jpg

Rantanplan
08-13-2003, 05:03 PM
Thats Sick!!! :|

garyfanclub
08-13-2003, 08:51 PM
Thats Sick!!! :|

Yeah but those ****ing apes need a lesson on "Who not to **** with". How about General "Black Jack" Franks?

Mortimer
08-13-2003, 09:37 PM
Yeah there are calls for the bali bombers to be executed like that, good idea if you ask me.

wipe the smile right off that faggots face :)

budanski
08-13-2003, 09:46 PM
Yeah there are calls for the bali bombers to be executed like that, good idea if you ask me.

wipe the smile right off that faggots face :)

What??!!! are we in agreement?

What year is it? Need to go rest, not feeling good, getting dizzy.....

usa320
08-13-2003, 09:47 PM
For once in my life i agree with mortimer- the bastages need to be tought a hard lesson. :bash:

Mortimer
08-13-2003, 11:38 PM
Yeah well there is a line.....and Amrozi and all his other bumb-chums crossed it.

James
08-14-2003, 12:00 AM
Yeah there are calls for the bali bombers to be executed like that, good idea if you ask me.

wipe the smile right off that faggots face :)

I am shocked to hear this from you, Mortimer. What happened to your liberal compassion? :P

Seiyuuki
08-14-2003, 12:10 AM
Why don't the coalition just hex "RPG Alley" with pigs blood??? p-) :D

Mortimer
08-14-2003, 12:12 AM
Yeah there are calls for the bali bombers to be executed like that, good idea if you ask me.

wipe the smile right off that faggots face :)

I am shocked to hear this from you, Mortimer. What happened to your liberal compassion? :P
it went when he killed 80 Australians? don't get me wrong though....i am still the same its just then Amrozi has never been disscussed before...

I still hold the same beliefs as before this is just one isolated case.

James
08-14-2003, 12:46 AM
I was being a smartass - my apologies. I understand where you are coming from.

GazB
08-14-2003, 02:43 AM
Hahahahahaha... not a single muslim extremist attack for 42 years my ass. There were probably thousands, not to mention thousands of catholic, and protestant etc etc attacks.

The most dangerous of course are the Buddists. Not that they are more depraved... they believe in reincarnation so they have suicide bombers with experience... :P :P :P

If you want to get in to the sewer with the vermin you are fighting that is fine. Just don't expect to be looked upon any different than those you went in after when you get out... you will certainly smell and look the same.

If such tactics are now OK then al qaeda has already won.

Royal
08-14-2003, 03:48 AM
Never thought I'd say this, but Gaz, I'm 100% with you on that.

If we do not reisist our visceral urges we are no better than those we are fighting.

Execution is only a deterrent (if at all, but that's another question) against someone who doesn't want to die. Amrozi does - kill him and you fulfill his wishes. Let the bastard rot in some helhole of an Indonesian prison for the next 30 or 40 years until he dies of disease...

Smintjes
08-14-2003, 04:11 AM
Hahahahahaha... not a single muslim extremist attack for 42 years my ass. There were probably thousands, not to mention thousands of catholic, and protestant etc etc attacks.

The most dangerous of course are the Buddists. Not that they are more depraved... they believe in reincarnation so they have suicide bombers with experience... :P :P :P

If you want to get in to the sewer with the vermin you are fighting that is fine. Just don't expect to be looked upon any different than those you went in after when you get out... you will certainly smell and look the same.

If such tactics are now OK then al qaeda has already won.

Couldn't agree more.

Mortimer
08-14-2003, 04:17 AM
Never thought I'd say this, but Gaz, I'm 100% with you on that.

If we do not reisist our visceral urges we are no better than those we are fighting.

Execution is only a deterrent (if at all, but that's another question) against someone who doesn't want to die. Amrozi does - kill him and you fulfill his wishes. Let the bastard rot in some helhole of an Indonesian prison for the next 30 or 40 years until he dies of disease...

Indeed, but from his cell he can:get media attention, incite violence, learn things, write books has a 'chance' to be released etc etc.....
which do you prefer?

Royal
08-14-2003, 04:30 AM
From an Aussie, Brit or US prison, maybe. From an Indonesian prison, I doubt it without some serious regime and cultural changes...

Just my opinion - you're entitled to yours. I know I feel the same way as you about the IRA (and all the other similar groups) in Northern Ireland. I have a detached view about Bali, as you probably do about Northern Ireland - sometimes that's no bad thing...

ibstolidude
08-14-2003, 10:48 AM
amazing how the rhetoric changes when your own are attacked....suddenly human rights be damned.

GazB
08-18-2003, 05:03 AM
"Execution is only a deterrent (if at all, but that's another question) against someone who doesn't want to die."

That is very true, but I think punnishment should not just be about deterrent. I don't think the death penalty would stop anyone for doing something they are determined to do. What the DP IS good for is another aspect of justice that is often forgotten. Justice is societies way of removing you from that society so you can't do any more damage for a while. The DP won't stop offending... but is 100% effective in stopping re-offending.

budanski
08-18-2003, 09:56 AM
Agreed. Just what you'd expect to do with a rabid dog.

Fargin
08-18-2003, 10:44 AM
Couldn't agree more.

Roger, which axis is which?