Texas Pledge of Allegiance? [Archive]

James

08-13-2003, 10:26 PM

Most of the Texans I knew while on active duty were very nationalistic. I found that curious. I wonder what will happen now if someone joins the Texas National Guard.

Chet Mystery

08-13-2003, 10:37 PM

I think, maybe, this "Texas" version is just the standard US pledge without the "under God" phrase.

Wasn't it Texas that was the state that ruled this part of the pledge unconstitutional earlier this year and it cause a big uproar in the media...

I dunno, could be wrong, but maybe thats what it means...

Vance

08-13-2003, 10:39 PM

Does anyone have a link confirming this?

budanski

08-13-2003, 10:44 PM

I remember reciting this in grade school.

"Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one and indivisible."

I've always seen myself Texan first. ;)

Ratamacue

08-13-2003, 11:00 PM

Well, I don't know what it's like in Colorado (where I live now), but when I lived in New York, we learned all about our state history in either 4th or 5th grade (I forget which). Later on when we were learning about the colonization of America, much if it was focused on Long Island, New Jersey, etc.

Light Fighter

08-13-2003, 11:26 PM

You want to look at blaming someone for killing indians, look at the Roman Catholic Church, biggest group of murderers since Hitler. Not Texans :bash:

---Disclaimer, I am in no way anti-catholic, attended catholic school from 1-8th grade-----

Ratamacue

08-13-2003, 11:35 PM

Thanks for the attempted thread hijack, Morty.

Mortimer

08-13-2003, 11:46 PM

mate i could hijack this thread before you could click off that **** site your looking at right now ;)

James

08-13-2003, 11:53 PM

mate i could hijack this thread before you could click off that **** site your looking at right now ;)

I DARE YOU!

Mortimer

08-13-2003, 11:54 PM

.......nar

James

08-13-2003, 11:55 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Seiyuuki

08-14-2003, 12:12 AM

So...U.S. killed Native Americans and Aussies killed Aborigines.

Merik

08-14-2003, 12:14 AM

Yeah it was 7th grade Budanski. I remember it quite well since it was a big relief from the crap that taught us in Tennessee. My mom and all of her family are from Ft. Hood, Texas so I am very proud to be a Texan.

The reason why we Texans take very serious pride and loyalty in our flag and our state is because you have to remember, we were an independent country before we joined the US. Not that Im saying its a bad thing or anything like that its just the point that as Americans we fought for our independence from the British, and as Texans we fought our independence from Mexico.

And Morty, you have a lot of **** to talk from someone being from Australia(no harm intended to other Aussies, just him). You have fellow countrymen fighting the same front as us for the same reasons, and yet you talk about how we are the bad guys. I guess that means you are a traitor to your country and mates.

Mortimer

08-14-2003, 12:22 AM

Aboriginies?

i grew up with a lot, i know everything about their history, i think our PM should acknowledge them better and that they should be given the right to self determination. like canada and the inuits...

I'll be the first to admit that the colonisation of Australia could have been done another way....could i have done anything about it?...no

lol In HS in Australia we learn so much about Aborignies it gets boring.

Mortimer

08-14-2003, 12:25 AM

as Texans we fought our independence from Mexico.

And Morty, you have a lot of **** to talk from someone being from Australia(no harm intended to other Aussies, just him). You have fellow countrymen fighting the same front as us for the same reasons, and yet you talk about how we are the bad guys. I guess that means you are a traitor to your country and mates.

And you know what else?

I am currently a serving member and have met people from 4RAR...hell in 24hours i am to go and support a FAC course with the SASR....and will meet members of that regiment, who have just got back from Iraq.

I am allowed to have my own beliefs.

Trigger

08-14-2003, 12:28 AM

I am allowed to have my own beliefs.
No matter how goofy they are! p-)

Thank God we've got you here to straighten out our school history issues.

Mortimer

08-14-2003, 12:30 AM

no worries ;)

Mortimer

08-14-2003, 12:32 AM

HAVING said that...if i was asked, and i wouldn't for a number of reasons, i WOULD go to Iraq not for Americas stupid cause but for my mates and thats what i signed up for....weird...but true.

Ratamacue

08-14-2003, 01:02 AM

What about Australia's "stupid cause?" No one forced the Australian government to help us out. Your country has a "stupid cause" too. Not just the US.

James

08-14-2003, 01:06 AM

HAVING said that...if i was asked, and i wouldn't for a number of reasons, i WOULD go to Iraq not for Americas stupid cause but for my mates and thats what i signed up for....weird...but true.

Mates... good to go. That is not weird at all. While I was on active duty, I gave two sh&$s about politics. I was concerned that I would be in a situation where someone was shooting at my buddies. Ah, such is the life of a young grunt...

Mortimer

08-14-2003, 01:41 AM

What about Australia's "stupid cause?" No one forced the Australian government to help us out. Your country has a "stupid cause" too. Not just the US.

You should have seen the protests....many many people didn't want us to support the war because of its underlying motives.

Our PM is a right wing conservative ass licker....nuff said.

Ratamacue

08-14-2003, 01:43 AM

Last time I checked, there were major protests in the United States as well. Seems that both our countries have alot in common :P

Kriz

08-14-2003, 05:54 AM

I find this very funny, being so nationalistic and forcing kids to salute the flag and such. I don't even know our national anthem and I never salute the flag because in the end being so nationalistic never leads to anything good. We all know what extreme nationalism caused in Europe twice.

And don't get me wrong though I don't mind people being pride on their nation and identity but forcing kids to saluting flags and stuf I just find taht a little over the top.

Best regards, Kriz

Rantanplan

08-14-2003, 08:37 AM

Hell, I think as an German I souldn't join this Discussion. So go on Guys, Its realy funny to read this.

God save the Queen!

And God bless Texas!

budanski

08-14-2003, 11:31 AM

Yeah. It sure is funny from where we're looking from up here too. ;)

atnadastra

08-14-2003, 03:10 PM

Speaking of Texas pride...

When I was young, I had heard that if you go up to a Texan and ask him if he's an American, he'd invariably say, "No, I'm from Texas." I never believed it until I tried it, and it's true! rofl

Texans are Texans first--then Americans! It's good, too, because we need to be reminded that we are a union of independent states--not just one homogenous country called America.

Ratamacue

08-14-2003, 03:52 PM

Kriz, no one is forced in school to recite the pledge or salute or even stand up while they read the Pledge of Allegiance. Most kids in my classes don't (not because they believe it's wrong, but mostly because they don't feel like standing up early in the morning ;) )

SABER 2-3

08-15-2003, 08:42 AM

usa320

08-15-2003, 11:13 AM

I think its a good idea.

Hopefully it wont be a crime by next year to say the Pledge of Allegiance.

:roll:

usa320

08-15-2003, 11:14 AM

Sorry Mortimer, your hijacking attempt was foiled

http://www.avweb.com/graphics/gov/tsa.jpg

Kriz

08-15-2003, 11:55 AM

Well Teacher TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR CLASS, stand them up, place their little hands over their heart and recite the short but sweet words that show (openly) your loyalty. Refusal to do so allows for faster ID of those who would do harm to the country that so many have sacrificed to protect.

rofl ahahha man your so funny rofl

This reminds me of nazi germany or the USSR, those who were opposed to the "beloved" nation were also treated as ennemies and bad people

HumanShield

08-15-2003, 12:42 PM

Now are the kids that are reciting this...are they saying this and the pledge. Or just this instead of the pledge?

Because if they are doing both...i dont see anything wrong with it. I mean there is no problem with having a little state pride. Especially when you come from one with such a rich history.

budanski

08-15-2003, 01:05 PM

The pledge of allegence is recited first then the Texas pledge.

Kriz

08-15-2003, 01:30 PM

when you come from one with such a rich history.

You got to be kidding ? The state doesn't even excist 500 years, the only ones with a rich history in the USA are the remaining Indians.

Trigger

08-15-2003, 02:49 PM

So tell us Krizpy Kreme, at what point do past events change from being plain 'history' to 'rich history'. 100 years? 200 years?
Nevermind
Just STFU if you have nothing worthwhile to contribute. :bash:

HumanShield

08-15-2003, 02:53 PM

The pledge of allegence is recited first then the Texas pledge.

Well then i dont see any problem with that then...
Who cares if you pledge to ur state as long as you still pledge your country.