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Camera
02-09-2013, 07:44 PM
True. I guess they sure have a role in intel gathering where sensor coverage may prove insufficient.

When a convoy leaves one Syrian city and takes the highway towards another, the spotter that passes a phone call to inform about its departure gives sufficient time to the squads along the road to ambush it with IEDs or to get ready to activate the IEDs that might have been planted long before. They control the country side… What sophisticated sensors could offer more?


If anything IMO the rebels are an equivalent of highly mobile light infantry in this conflict. Their advantages are in numbers, mobility and ability to overwhelm defenses through concentrated effort and multiple simultaneous assaults sneaking deep into SAA territory. Coordination is key

Their mobility is localized, because they are not mechanized.
In some places the attacks are not overwhelming, but long sieges by brigades that operate independently. In others, they manifest the ability to coordinate a concentrated attack like in Damascus where several brigades are involved. Their commanders have military experience, they had high ranks in the SAA.

AgentKoba37
02-09-2013, 08:11 PM
When a convoy leaves one Syrian city and takes the highway towards another, the spotter that passes a phone call to inform about its departure gives sufficient time to the squads along the road to ambush it with IEDs or to get ready to activate the IEDs that might have been planted long before. They control the country side… What sophisticated sensors could offer more?

Their mobility is localized, because they are not mechanized.
In some places the attacks are not overwhelming, but long sieges by brigades that operate independently. In others, they manifest the ability to coordinate a concentrated attack like in Damascus where several brigades are involved. Their commanders have military experience, they had high ranks in the SAA.

IMO your views on this are very simplistic when it comes to sensor coverage and its advantages over utilizing spotters. Might wanna look into this esp page 234

http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Syria-Military-Prospects-International/dp/0313355207/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1360454969&sr=1-1&keywords=0313355207

While I agree with some of your assessment your conclusions run counter to a whole stream of reports exposing the FSA as incapable of coordination among the various split groups and interests. Bottom line is your insistence of rebels being capable of conducting effective C2 that could hurt the SAA reeks of naïveté or even a conscious effort to hide the truth. In any case we have all expressed our opinions and can agree to disagree.

Btw the rebels have technicals . That's as mechanized as they need to be.

Camera
02-09-2013, 08:47 PM
IMO your views on this are very simplistic when it comes to sensor coverage and its advantages over utilizing spotters. Might wanna look into this esp page 234

http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Syria-Military-Prospects-International/dp/0313355207/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1360454969&sr=1-1&keywords=0313355207


We warfare that is conducted there is not more sophisticated than that.


While I agree with some of your assessment your conclusions run counter to a whole stream of reports exposing the FSA as incapable of coordination among the various split groups and interests.

Both cases should exist. It is not an homogenous force.


Bottom line is your insistence of rebels being capable of conducting effective C2 that could hurt the SAA reeks of naïveté or even a conscious effort to hide the truth. In any case we have all expressed our opinions and can agree to disagree.

I really don't see an American HQ commanding and controlling herds shouting 'Allahu Akhbar'. It can not work. They have their way to function and the cultural gaps are probably impossible to bridge.


Btw the rebels have technicals . That's as mechanized as they need to be.

These are just fire support weapons. The degree of mobility of the force is the one of the foot soldier.

AgentKoba37
02-09-2013, 08:57 PM
I really don't see an American HQ commanding and controlling herds shouting 'Allahu Akhbar'. It can not work. They have their way to function and the cultural gaps are probably impossible to bridge.


Worked in Afghanistan back in the 80s, no? If you discount the side effects it produced of course

Camera
02-09-2013, 09:03 PM
Worked in Afghanistan back in the 80s for the CIA no?

To my knowledge, C2 was Pakistani. But here the situation is different. Unlike Afghanistan where the Russians faced tribes and units of Mujahidin who volunteered for Jihad, here most FSA fighters are led by professional militaries that are SAA defectors.

AgentKoba37
02-09-2013, 09:07 PM
To my knowledge, C2 was Pakistani.

Pakistani really? Hmm. Must be just like Vietcong c2 was Vietnamese


But here the situation is different. Unlike Afghanistan where the Russians faced tribes and units of Mujahidin who volunteered for Jihad, here most FSA fighters are led by professional militaries that are SAA defectors.

Right but it is jihadists doing all the winning as always. Not FSA

Camera
02-09-2013, 09:10 PM
Pakistani really? Hmm. Must be just like Vietcong c2 was Vietnamese

As kong as I know, the CIA did not command and control the Mujahidin. It provided weapons and even those were distributed by the Pakistanis.
But there are American posters on the forum that could tell us better.


Right but it is jihadists doing all the winning as always. Not FSA

Their units may excel in the battles, they may have more funds and weapons, but they are not numerous enough. The command of the FSA is in the hands of the SAA defectors that command larger formations.

AgentKoba37
02-09-2013, 09:14 PM
As kong as I know, the CIA did not command and control the Mujahidin. It provided weapons and even those were distributed by the Pakistanis.
But there are American posters on the forum that could tell us better.

Here we go


While the actual document has not been declassified, National Security Decision Directive 166 of 27 March 1985, "US Policy, Programs and Strategy in Afghanistan" defined a US policy of using established the US goal of driving Soviet forces from Afghanistan "by all means available"...

Initially, this involved close cooperation with Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence to assist mujahideen groups and in planning operations inside Afghanistan. This cooperation was already in place in 1984, prior to NSDD-166. Indeed, it was evident to residents in Islamabad and Peshawar in the 1980s that large numbers of Americans were present

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Afghanistan

AgentKoba37
02-09-2013, 09:17 PM
Their units may excel in the battles, they may have more funds and weapons, but they are not numerous enough. The command of the FSA is in the hands of the SAA defectors that command larger formations.

~10,000 or more serving as force multipliers ? That' not numerous?

btw



“The purported F.S.A. leaders in Turkey have never exercised anything like full command and control over the rebellion,” said Michael Wahid Hanna, an analyst at The Century Foundation. “They have seen their role diminish as the center of gravity continues to shift to leaders and fighters inside Syria.”

An opposition fighter in Homs echoed that sentiment, saying that if Colonel Assad had returned to Syria sooner, “his situation would be better.” The fighter said the move would add to Colonel Assad’s “importance and value” as one of the first high-ranking officers to defect from Syria’s army — but his praise carried a whiff of disappointment.

“I actually fought on the ground more than him,” the fighter said, “and this is the case for most officers who remained inside Syria.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/world/middleeast/rebels-move-command-from-turkey-to-syria.html?_r=0

Camera
02-09-2013, 09:19 PM
You have on both sides men that were formed in the same manner within the SAA. If SAA commanders are capable to C2 without a Russian adviser to tell them what they should do, the FSA commanders should be able to do the same.

AgentKoba37
02-09-2013, 09:23 PM
You have on both sides men that were formed in the same manner within the SAA. If SAA commanders are capable to C2 without a Russian adviser to tell them what they should do, the FSA commanders should be able to do the same.

IMO SAA is utterly incapable of effective C2 without foreign advisers. Proxy aspect of this war mean anything to you? Foreign 'advice' is the reason Assad is still breathing

Camera
02-09-2013, 09:28 PM
IMO SAA is incapable of effective C2 without foreign advisers. Proxy aspect of this war mean anything to you?

Look, I don't know. The rebels are a collection of brigades and fractions of all kind. There are units that coordinate their offensive and this seems to be the case in the Damascus area at the moment. It was completely the contrary in the Aleppo area not long ago.
I don't believe anyone could C2 them, except their own leaders that do it in their way.

AgentKoba37
02-09-2013, 09:30 PM
Look, I don't know. The rebels are a collection of brigades and fractions of all kind. There are units that coordinate their offensive and this seems to be the case in the Damascus area at the moment. It was completely the contrary in the Aleppo area not long ago.
I don't believe anyone could C2 except their own leaders that do it in their way.

Hopefully time will tell but we may never know the true story

themacedonian
02-09-2013, 11:04 PM
One thing to consider is that the rebels can use their "non-lethal" funds for buying up to date imagery from companies like Digital Globe. I really don't think that actual governments are providing them military-grade imagery when they can just have civilian companies do it for them. I know that some groups of Syrian expat's raise money for that kind of stuff to help their operations.

Also, like Camera said, they have spotters everywhere. Sometimes they post footage of them spying on a base months before they attack it. Just look at Taftanaz.

What do you think those satellites phones are used for? The rebels are getting real time info on strength of bases and isolated units and traffic passing in between bases.

Once they get an estimate of base strength of regiment or battalion the rebels assemble larger force, block incoming roads, assault base.

At the same time they get advance notice on reinforcements. Big brother is helping more than you think.

yves
02-10-2013, 02:42 AM
http://m.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/syrias-druze-minority-is-shifting-its-support-to-the-opposition/2013/02/07/9e3f52c6-6d5d-11e2-ada0-5ca5fa7ebe79_story.html
Syria’s Druze minority is shifting its support to the opposition
BEIRUT — Members of Syria’s Druze community, a small but significant religious minority, are joining the opposition in bigger numbers, ramping up pressure on the beleaguered government of President Bashar al-Assad, according to opposition activists and rebel military commanders.


As the Syrian conflict has devolved into a bloody sectarian war, with many Sunni Muslims backing the opposition, some of the country’s minorities, including the Druze and Christians, have largely sat on the sidelines.

geolocator
02-10-2013, 03:08 AM
according to opposition activists and rebel military commanders.
How it is in reality?

yves
02-10-2013, 03:20 AM
How it is in reality?
Walid joumblat support the revolution and he has the support of the majority of the druze

ImpNavigator
02-10-2013, 04:14 AM
Walid joumblat support the revolution and he has the support of the majority of the druze

In Lebanon..

yves
02-10-2013, 04:19 AM
In Lebanon..
The druze community is united under the leadership of the jumblat family since the 19 century when his grandmother started doing politics and this leadership dates back to the times when lebanon and syria did not exist even on paper his family fought for druze rights everywhere in the ME so definitly he is very influent in the druze community (maybe not alot in Israel)

ImpNavigator
02-10-2013, 04:24 AM
Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki said he believes the fall of the Syrian regime is unlikely and stressed that embattled President Bashar al-Assad is “smarter” than Saddam Hussein.

In an interview in Cairo with the Saudi-owned, London-based Asharq al-Awsat, Maliki said: “I know Syria very well,” adding that Assad’s Alawite supporters are becoming increasingly courageous as they grow more desperate.

“The Alawites will fight with other minorities against militants like Sunni extremists,” he said. “That is why they are fighting with their men and women in order to survive,” added the Shiite Maliki, himself facing a Sunni uprising against his rule in several provinces across Iraq.

Maliki said Assad is currently fighting a sectarian war in Syria and unlike Saddam, the Syrian president “has a much deeper political vision.”

Maliki said U.S. Vice President Joe Biden and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had told him in Washington that Assad was bound to fall “within two months.”

“I told them that this wouldn’t even happen in years,” Maliki said.
Meanwhile, Maliki accused Turkey of attempting to control Syria, Iraq and other regional powers, including Egypt.

“In Iraq, Turkey depends on the sectarian factor and extremists, and opposition figures usually meet in Ankara,” he said.
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2013/02/09/265360.html

yves
02-10-2013, 05:07 AM
لجان التنسيق المحلية في سوريا=local coordination commitees


الرقة : الطبقة : الجيش الحر يحرر كتيبة المدفعية المتمركزة بجانب مبنى الإذاعة والتلفزيون بالكامل ويتمكن من السيطرة على كافة الأسلحة المتواجدة من مدافع ورشاشات ثقيلة
Raqqah: Tabqa: The FSA liberates the Artillery Battalion that is stationed next to the Radio and Television building and were successfully able to seize all existing cannons and heavy machine guns
http://m.facebook.com/LCCSy?id=217848338242310&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FLCCSy&_rdr#!/photo.php?fbid=607706875923119&id=217848338242310&set=a.221856221174855.74557.217848338242310&refid=17

Camera
02-10-2013, 05:56 AM
The druze community is united under the leadership of the jumblat family since the 19 century when his grandmother started doing politics and this leadership dates back to the times when lebanon and syria did not exist even on paper his family fought for druze rights everywhere in the ME so definitly he is very influent in the druze community (maybe not alot in Israel)

This is another sign of the weakening of Assad. The Druzes have a traditional policy (that preserves their communities) to be loyal to the regime in the countries they live. They would not have openly joined the rebels if Assad had any chance to win.

prince99x
02-10-2013, 06:00 AM
Oh, OK. So what you are saying is that Russia failed to prevent the conflicts from happening or at least getting at the heart of the beast first before the **** hit the fan where they had no choice but to go in (and subsiquently enough, get more people killed)? If so, then I see what you are saying and I agree. The Russian government can be very spineless it seems.
This is another sign of the weakening of Assad. The Druzes have a traditional policy (that preserves their communities) to be loyal to the regime in the countries they live. They would not have openly joined the rebels if Assad had any chance to win.No chance at all right !!!!!.However how can u trust those sources.The Druz community in Syria is different.

Camera
02-10-2013, 06:00 AM
Pakistani really? Hmm. Must be just like Vietcong c2 was Vietnamese

Right but it is jihadists doing all the winning as always. Not FSA

Another reason to believe the Americans are not in charge of the c2, especially not for the Islamists, is the fact that al-Nusra was listed as terror group; nothing similar to Afghanistan where the US administration referred to the Mujahidins as freedom fighters.

Camera
02-10-2013, 06:05 AM
No chance at all right !!!!!.However how can u trust those sources.The Druz community in Syria is different.

The Washington Post is a reliable newspaper.
The loyalty of the Druzes to Assad was strong, even among the majority of the Druzes of the Golan after 45 years of Israeli occupation.

AgentKoba37
02-10-2013, 06:53 AM
The Israeli Army has warned current general calm along the borders with Syria "is deceptive" and internal escalating violence in the neighboring country might eventually spill over to the region and threaten Israel's security This calmness might rapidly change, due to the current civil war the country is witnessing, while it has always been tranquil during Bashar Al-Assad's ruling, the Yediot Ahronot daily quoted military sources as saying on Sunday.The sources indicated that despite (the Israeli) air strike on a Syrian Army convoy on Syrian territories some 10 ago, which foreign media sources affirmed was carried out by the Israeli Air Force, the Israel-Syria border is actually the quietest among the Jewish state's borders. But IDF (Israel Defence Forces) officers fear that may soon change, Yediot Ahronot quoted the same sources as saying.
The border stretches some 80 kilometers from Mount Hermon in the north to the border junction with Jordan in the south.
The frontier lush region was recently disturbed by echoes of the bloody civil war ripping through Syria, and while the sounds of war have somewhat "faded in the area," the IDF knows that the calm will not last for much longer, the newspaper said.
"Growing unrest in Damascus and President Bashar Assad's continuous attempts to blame the West in general and Israel in particular for the violence plaguing the country, has translated into growing agitation; and the volatile climate means one thing - a terror attack against Israeli targets in the area is only a matter of time," the daily added.
The immediate area adjacent to the Syrian side of the border is home to villages that have become "brimming with terror activity over the past two years," it said.
Assad's loose grip on the area has made it safe for terror operatives to seek refuge there; and thousands of them from Islamic and Jihad-affiliated groups are believed to be on the ground, it said. (end) mzt.lb KUNA 101310 Feb 13NNNN

http://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=2292069&language=en

So seems like islamist terror spillover is also quite a concern

themacedonian
02-10-2013, 07:07 AM
http://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=2292069&language=en

So seems like islamist terror spillover is also quite a concern

Israel: Fighting along the border is a problem
Israel: Lack of fighting along the border is a problem.
Israel: Calm along the border is an indication of a potential problem.

Camera
02-10-2013, 07:11 AM
Israel: Fighting along the border is a problem
Israel: Lack of fighting along the border is a problem.
Israel: Calm along the border is an indication of a potential problem.

With such neighbors all you can have are problems.

kalerab
02-10-2013, 09:47 AM
Christian hamlet alls prey to Syrian looters


AFP - The bibles lie untouched on the carved wooden stands but the chandeliers have been dumped upside down on the altar; the Christian village of Al-Yakubiye may have escaped the full ravages of Syria's civil war but it could not avoid the plundering of the fighters.

Along the main road of this agricultural village in Syria's northwestern province of Idlib, an old cemetery with stone crosses adjoins an Apostolic Orthodox Armenian church whose door lies open, buffeted by the winds.

Those who swept through here seized anything of value, plundering even the chancel and the sacristy. Under a portrait of a benevolent Virgin Mary, a thief stole the chalice from the tabernacle.

Al-Yakubiye, nestled in a lush mountain overlooking the Orontes valley, fell to the rebels two weeks ago after fighting that lasted for several days.

The bulk of the clashes were around a fortified army post at the entrance to the village, until the troops pulled out hastily and headed to Jisr al-Shugur, further south.

President Bashar al-Assad's soldiers spared the village, which boasts one Catholic and two Armenian churches, from street battles that would have inevitably turned it into ruins.

Of a population of around 600 during the winter, only a few men, a handful of elderly and a Catholic priest, stayed back during the fighting.



http://www.france24.com/en/20130209-christian-hamlet-alls-prey-syrian-looters

Hisroyalhighness
02-10-2013, 10:31 AM
Russian Returns Home after 54 Days in Captivity in Syria (http://en.rian.ru/russia/20130210/179323105.html)
KEMEROVO, February 10 (RIA Novosti) - A Russian man, who was kidnapped in Syria last December and released earlier this week, returned home on Sunday, a district administration official told RIA Novosti.

Viktor Gorelov, 66, arrived to Moscow from the Lebanese capital of Beirut on Saturday. He arrived to his home city of Novokuznetsk in Siberia on Sunday morning after being held by Syrian rebels for 54 days.

Gorelov was abducted (http://en.rian.ru/russia/20121217/178225396.html) in Syria on December 17, along Abdessattar Khassun, who has double Russian-Syrian citizenship, and Italian national Mario Belluomo. The three men were taken hostage on December 12 by Syrian rebels while on their way from Homs to Tartus, the home of a Russian naval base.

Russian Foreign Ministry said (http://en.rian.ru/russia/20130204/179219127.html) on Monday that the three hostages were released in exchange for captured rebel fighters.

AgentKoba37
02-10-2013, 10:44 AM
Jihadi warriors are fuelling the violent rebellion in Syria. Some fear their successes are reviving wider regional ambitions


On Tuesday evening, seven days after Israel reportedly struck a biological weapons development center in Damascus, Islamist fighters in Syria released another of their videos.

No longer standing on the horizontal tips of newly acquired Scud missiles, as they were seen doing last month, a group of four Jabhat al-Nusra fighters, their faces cloaked by kaffiyas, read from a statement. “We will put our hands on those weapons,” the man in the middle shouted of Assad’s biological and chemical arsenal. “We will attack and take over those sites and then use them against the Zionists, from Syrian territory, until we reach Jerusalem.”


http://www.timesofisrael.com/will-the-al-qaeda-affiliates-ousting-assad-turn-to-israel-next/

Camera
02-10-2013, 11:39 AM
Jihadi warriors are fuelling the violent rebellion in Syria. Some fear their successes are reviving wider regional ambitions

http://www.timesofisrael.com/will-the-al-qaeda-affiliates-ousting-assad-turn-to-israel-next/

Someone will have to bomb the center itself as soon as Assad loses control over the area.

kalerab
02-10-2013, 12:38 PM
Villagers confront jihadist rebels in northern Syria


Several tense confrontations have broken out in the past week between residents of largely rebel-held northwestern Syria and hardline Islamist insurgents, witnesses said on Sunday.

A number of such altercations took place around Atme in Idlib province, where the residents generally support the hardline Al-Nusra Front group, who are spearheading attacks against forces of President Bashar al-Assad.

Al-Nusra, which is believed to be closely linked to Al-Qaeda in Iraq and which has a number of foreign fighters, has been blacklisted by Washington as a terrorist organization.

There was almost an armed clash between Al-Nusra and local rebel fighters near Atme when the group attempted to try a man in an Islamic court for swearing, witnesses told AFP.

Locals then kidnapped an Al-Nusra leader, put a grenade in his mouth and cut off his beard, before releasing him a few days later, the witnesses said.


https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/nowsyrialatestnews/villagers-confront-jihadist-rebels-in-northern-syria

Surenas
02-10-2013, 05:15 PM
Iran and Hezbollah build militia networks in Syria in event that Assad falls, officials say


Iran and Hezbollah, its Lebanese proxy, are building a network of militias inside Syria to preserve and protect their interests in the event that President Bashar al-Assad’s government falls or is forced to retreat from Damascus, according to U.S. and Middle Eastern officials.

The militias are fighting alongside Syrian government forces to keep Assad in power. But officials believe Iran’s long-term goal is to have reliable operatives in place in the event that Syria fractures into separate ethnic and sectarian enclaves.

A senior Obama administration official cited Iranian claims that Tehran was backing as many as 50,000 militiamen in Syria. “It’s a big operation,” the official said. “The immediate intention seems to be to support the Syrian regime. But it’s important for Iran to have a force in Syria that is reliable and can be counted on.”

Iran’s strategy, a senior Arab official agreed, has two tracks. “One is to support Assad to the hilt, the other is to set the stage for major mischief if he collapses.”

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters.

(...)

Despite U.S. efforts to convince members of Assad’s Alawite sect, itself a minority within Islam’s Shiite branch, that their interests lay in abandoning him, Alawite support remains fairly solid.

Each of Syria’s internal actors has external backers.

“Syria is basically disintegrating as a nation, similar to how Lebanon disintegrated in the 70s to ethnic components, and as Iraq did,” said Paul Salem, director of the Beirut-based Mideast Center of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. “It’s going to be very hard to put Syria the nation back together.”

“We’re looking at a place which is sort of a zone, an area called Syria, with different powers,” Salem said.

Tehran’s interest in preserving a Syrian base partly explains why the financially strapped Iranian government continues to lavish resources on groups such as Jaysh al-Sha’bi, an alliance of local Shiite and Alawite militias that receives weapons and cash from Iran, according to U.S. and Middle Eastern officials who have studied the organization. The groups are receiving military training from officers from Hezbollah and Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC).

(...)

“Jaysh is essentially an Iran-Hezbollah joint venture,” said David Cohen, under secretary for terrorism and financial intelligence at the Treasury Department. “Given the other constraints on Iranian resources right now, it’s obvious that this is an important proxy group for them.”

In slapping sanctions on the militia in December, the Treasury Department said Iran had provided it with “routine funding worth millions of dollars.”

A Treasury statement noted that Iran’s Revolutionary Guard commander has said that Jaysh was “modeled after Iran’s own Basij, a paramilitary force subordinate to the IRGC that has been heavily involved in the violent crackdowns and serious human rights abuses occurring in Iran since the June 2009 contested presidential election.”

In a divided Syria, Iran’s natural allies would include Shiites and Alawites concentrated in provinces near Syria’s border with Lebanon and in the key port city of Latakia. Under the most likely scenarios, analysts say, remnants of Assad’s government — with or without Assad himself — would seek to establish a coastal enclave closely tied to Tehran, dependent on the Iranians for survival while helping Iran to retain its link to Hezbollah and leverage against Israel.

Experts said that Iran is less interested in preserving Assad in power than in maintaining levers of power, including transport hubs inside Syria. As long as Tehran could maintain control of an air- or seaport, they could also maintain a Hezbollah-controlled supply route into Lebanon and continue to manipulate Lebanese politics.

Preservation of an Iranian-supported area on the coast has always been “Plan C or Plan D” for core regime supporters, Salem said. “If everything fails and they lose, they have always prepared for the fortress region . . . with everything they can cart away, even if they lose Damascus.”

“That’s not necessarily what they want,” he said. “They want to hold on to the whole thing.” But the worst-case scenario is that “the whole regime relocates to the northwest, and the still have the most powerful [armed] unit inside Syria, with a lot of the current structure.”

Newly installed Secretary of State John F. Kerry expressed during his confirmation hearing last month the administration’s concern that Syria could break apart, saying that “one of the scenarios everybody’s talking about is that people could sort of break up off into their places . . . and you could have a disintegration, and who knows where that leads?”

“These are the risks,” Kerry said. “I mean, this is what is at stake in this new world that we’re dealing with. And nobody could sit here and tell you how it all plays out.”

In a grim assessment to a closed-door meeting of the United Nations Security Council last week, U.N. and Arab League envoy Lakhdar Brahimi cited two “big risks that are of serious concern to the international community” as Syria unravels.

“The first is the transformation of Syria into a playground for competing regional forces, governments and non-state actors alike,” Brahimi said. “This process is largely underway.” The second risk, he said, is “full-fledged regionalization of the Syrian civil war” that would engulf “the whole Levant.''


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/iran-hezbollah-build-militia-networks-in-syria-in-event-that-assad-falls-officials-say/2013/02/10/257a41c8-720a-11e2-ac36-3d8d9dcaa2e2_story.html

Laker1
02-10-2013, 05:32 PM
Iran and Hezbollah build militia networks in Syria in event that Assad falls, officials say



http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/iran-hezbollah-build-militia-networks-in-syria-in-event-that-assad-falls-officials-say/2013/02/10/257a41c8-720a-11e2-ac36-3d8d9dcaa2e2_story.html
They must make sure(from their point of view)that Hezbollah will get weapons..Syria is very important from a logistical point of view.

Surenas
02-10-2013, 05:33 PM
They must make sure that Hezbollah will get weapons..Syria is very important from a logistical point of view.

Really?

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tanks_alot
02-10-2013, 05:46 PM
Israel: Fighting along the border is a problem
Israel: Lack of fighting along the border is a problem.
Israel: Calm along the border is an indication of a potential problem.

I know, right? some people just can't be pleased.

They got a Syria that keeps their border with Israel peaceful, while trying to inflame all of Israel's other borders and they aren't happy.

They got a Syria where fighting takes place in the border area and mortars and bullets hit Israeli territory and they aren't happy.

Now they got Jihadists in the border area and guess what? they're still not happy!

I mean, Syria is like the perfect neighbour, what's not to like about them? tough crowd, I guess.

Laker1
02-10-2013, 06:22 PM
Really?

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LOL..you edited your post..before you wrote something with sherlock(holmes)Anyway,they know that Assad will fall in some point. The next regime will have to fight militants that will try to undermine the sovereignty. For sure there will be chaos for lots of time.

prince99x
02-10-2013, 06:42 PM
Iran and Hezbollah build militia networks in Syria in event that Assad falls, officials sayhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/iran-hezbollah-build-militia-networks-in-syria-in-event-that-assad-falls-officials-say/٢٠١٣/٠٢/١٠/٢٥٧a٤١c٨-٧٢٠a-١١e٢-ac٣٦-٣d٨d٩dcaa٢e٢_story.htmlHez i might believe but Iran i doubt unless they are stealth or going low profile.No body will control peacefully a piece of Syria but SAA whether it was ally or enemy.Those forces a multiplier helper for SAA comfort only,we will not accept them to have further goals at all.

Surenas
02-10-2013, 06:46 PM
Hez i might believe but Iran i doubt unless they are stealth or going low profile.No body will control peacefully a piece of Syria but SAA whether it was ally or enemy.Those forces a multiplier helper for SAA comfort only,we will not accept them to have further goals at all.

Your regime already accepted (surrendered to) Iran as de facto leader in the Levant long ago.

Camera
02-10-2013, 06:48 PM
Hez i might believe but Iran i doubt unless they are stealth or going low profile.No body will control peacefully a piece of Syria but SAA whether it was ally or enemy.Those forces a multiplier helper for SAA comfort only,we will not accept them to have further goals at all.

They come disguised as pilgrims that's why you do not notice them.

Flamming_Python
02-10-2013, 06:56 PM
50,000 militia my ass

With all these reports of mass Hezbollah and Iranian fighters; the rebels would have been creamed long ago and the 'axis of evil' would have enough men to station at every checkpoint on every road; instead of the current mess.

In fact the only photos and videos I've seen have been Syrian regulars fighting against the rebels. No Hezzies, no Iranians, no 'Shahhiba' or other paramilitaries/militias, just always regular Syrian army against everyone else.

Surenas
02-10-2013, 07:04 PM
A historical perspective of Iranian-Syrian relations in the Levant. Robert Baer:

- edit.

Funny and tragic how things have changed.

Bloo
02-10-2013, 07:19 PM
50,000 militia my ass

With all these reports of mass Hezbollah and Iranian fighters; the rebels would have been creamed long ago and the 'axis of evil' would have enough men to station at every checkpoint on every road; instead of the current mess.

In fact the only photos and videos I've seen have been Syrian regulars fighting against the rebels. No Hezzies, no Iranians, no 'Shahhiba' or other paramilitaries/militias, just always regular Syrian army against everyone else.

You've had both Iranian and Hezbollah officials more or less they're fighting there, the latter has flat out said it (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terrorism-security/2012/0917/Iran-s-Revolutionary-Guard-admits-to-providing-military-assistance-in-Syria) the former has admitted to its fighters dying in a Jihad there (http://www.*******.com/article/2012/10/02/us-syria-crisis-hezbollah-idUSBRE8910S020121002). Shahiba have been seen on numerous youtube vids, I advise you browse the Syria thread in the pics & vids section. But yes generally the SAAF is better at keeping the lid on their activities from hitting the web then the FSA.

themacedonian
02-10-2013, 07:20 PM
A historical perspective of Iranian-Syrian relations in the Levant. Robert Baer:

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Funny and tragic how things have changed.

Who is this idiot that wrote this crap? Syrian surrender to Iran in a single day in a single conversation about who did what.

Idiot.

Surenas
02-10-2013, 07:24 PM
Who is this idiot that wrote this crap? Syrian surrender to Iran in a single day in a single conversation about who did what.

Idiot.

An idiot who spent 21 years in the M-E as a field agent. And they didn't not 'surrendered' to Iran in one day, but that day symbolized it.

themacedonian
02-10-2013, 07:36 PM
A idiot, not a fanboy, who spent 21 years in the M-E as a field agent. And they didn't not 'surrendered' to Iran in one day, but that day symbolized it.

I quote "........ when United States invaded Iraq in August 1990" <---- Iraq invaded Kuwait in August 1990. I say again Idiot.

Things do happen as they do and not necessarily by design or long term foresight.

1990, 1991, 1992 brought changes to many many nations not just Lebanon but USSR, Yugoslavia, eastern europe. There have been many conversations and meetings.

Iran was the good guy when sending weapons to the Bosnian muslims through Croatia.

Syria surrendered to Hezbollah because they did a lot of the fighting ........ just awwghgh :(

Surenas
02-10-2013, 07:40 PM
Syria surrendered to Hezbollah because they did a lot of the fighting ........ just awwghgh :(

Please tell us more about your personal experiences in the M-E, or your almighty knowledge of the history of the Levant.

kalerab
02-10-2013, 07:41 PM
Hez i might believe but Iran i doubt unless they are stealth or going low profile.No body will control peacefully a piece of Syria but SAA whether it was ally or enemy.Those forces a multiplier helper for SAA comfort only,we will not accept them to have further goals at all.

IRGC confirmed that they are in Syria and Lebanon. Though they claim that only for training purposes.

Climber
02-10-2013, 07:43 PM
Please tell us more about your personal experiences in the M-E, or your almighty knowledge of the history of the Levant.

I can tell you some of mine, Hezzbollah nor Iran was beating us.........

themacedonian
02-10-2013, 08:05 PM
Please tell us more about your personal experiences in the M-E, or your almighty knowledge of the history of the Levant.

I am just pointing out the gross inaccuracies in this article. Maybe the word idiot is too strong.

Is it safe to agree that the rise of Hezbollah was due to the 1982 invasion and the Iranian involvement into Lebanon. I think Syria was fine with the IDF in South Lebanon and justified its own existence in Lebanon with it.

Only after the IDF withdraw in 2000 Syria looked up Hezbollah as an ally and I would say Syria has been pushed into Iran arms with Afghanistan war, Iraq invasion.

Its gone now.

kalerab
02-10-2013, 08:10 PM
Only after the IDF withdraw in 2000 Syria looked up Hezbollah as an ally and I would say Syria has been pushed into Iran arms with Afghanistan war, Iraq invasion.

Its gone now.

Not really, Hezbollah operated under Syrian auspice since beginning. Otherwise they would force Hezbollah to disarm just as they forced Geagea to disarm Lebanese Forces. Syrians left south for Hezbollah and made no action against it because they were fighting IDF.

Surenas
02-10-2013, 08:11 PM
Syrian opposition willing to hold peace talks with Bashar al-Assad


Moaz Alkhatib, the Syrian National Coalition leader, has said he was willing to hold peace talks with President Bashar al-Assad's representatives in rebel-held areas of northern Syria.

The aim of the talks would be to find a way for Mr Assad to leave power with the "minimum of bloodshed and destruction", Mr Alkhatib said in a statement published on his Facebook page.

Mr Alkhatib, a moderate cleric from Damascus, made his offer as opposition activists reported fighting had moved closer to central Damascus, following a rebel push into the east of the capital last week

"If the regime is so concerned about sovereignty and does not want to venture out of Syrian territories, then there is a suitable solution, which is the liberated land in northern Syria," he said.

"There is an important question. Will the regime agree to leave with the minimum of blood and destruction?"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9861621/Syrian-opposition-willing-to-hold-peace-talks-with-Bashar-al-Assad.html

Siempre_Leal
02-10-2013, 10:45 PM
Syrian Army In Homs Is Showing Strains Of War.


Homs, Syria
Government soldiers in Homs are showing the strain of war against opposition forces the government refers to as "terrorists."
But they told CNN that, despite enduring many casualties, their morale has not flagged. Though Homs has been the site of urban combat for two years, the soldiers -- from the front line to checkpoints -- appeared largely combat-ready.
Much has been reported about abuses allegedly committed by soldiers fighting for the regime of President Bashar al-Assad. Those allegations include the indiscriminate use of heavy weapons -- tanks, artillery and war planes -- in urban areas.


http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/08/world/meast/syria-civil-war/?hpt=hp_c1

Siempre_Leal
02-10-2013, 10:46 PM
Homs' Displaced Residents Return After Year Of Sustained Bombing



A year after this city captured the world's attention as the victim of theworst shelling that Syria's civil war had yet seen (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/26/homs-syria-bomb-shelter), Homs has become a – relatively – safe haven. Hundreds of families who fled to other Syrian cities in fear last February have loaded their belongings and returned. Civilians from Aleppo and Deir el-Zour – where fighting is still intense – are moving to Homs because they have heard it is more livable.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/10/homs-displace-resident-return-bombing

Bloo
02-11-2013, 02:58 AM
Syrian Army In Homs Is Showing Strains Of War.


http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/08/world/meast/syria-civil-war/?hpt=hp_c1

This is the great stalemate war of attrition of my generation I suppose. I wasn't alive when the Iran-Iraq War was going.

Genotype
02-11-2013, 04:51 AM
Edit: Never mind.

Camera
02-11-2013, 06:31 AM
I quote "........ when United States invaded Iraq in August 1990" <---- Iraq invaded Kuwait in August 1990. I say again Idiot.

There are few more inaccuracies in this excerpt from Baer's book.

tanks_alot
02-11-2013, 06:48 AM
There are few more inaccuracies in this excerpt from Baer's book.

Is that the "flat terrain south Lebanon" guy?

Camera
02-11-2013, 06:53 AM
Is that the "flat terrain south Lebanon" guy?

Yes
...........

Camera
02-11-2013, 07:13 AM
A different Middle East: Israelis for Syria


Volunteers from an Israeli organization put their lives on the line to help civilians escape warring Syria. Watch a meeting between a Syrian family and Israeli volunteers


Shlomit Sharvit Barzilay


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4341896,00.html

kalerab
02-11-2013, 08:17 AM
Rebels seize largest dam in Syria, opposition leaders say dialogue offer with Assad still stands


Syrian rebels have taken control of the country's biggest dam on the Euphrates River in the eastern province of Raqqa, activists said on Monday.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights and other Syrian activists said Islamist fighters seized the entrances to the dam after taking control of the nearby town of al-Thawra.




http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/rebels-seize-largest-dam-in-syria-opposition-leaders-say-dialogue-offer-with-assad-still-stands.premium-1.502875

Camera
02-11-2013, 09:42 AM
The Middle Eastern Alawite-Shiite Axis: Initial Signs and Implications



The US reports that Iran and Hezbollah are building a network of militias in Syria in preparation for the day after Assad. Brig. Gen. (Res.) Hanan Gefen, former commander of IDF Unit 8200, presents the potential future of the Alawite-Shiite alliance for IsraelDefense

Hanan Gefen (http://www.israeldefense.com/?CategoryID=534&TagID=611) http://www.israeldefense.com/_Pics/pixel.gif
11/2/2013

The process of disintegration taking place in Syria is accelerating social and political processes. The blood-soaked rebellion against the Alawite central regime and its partners is deepening old rifts in Syrian society and creating new ones, while the Alawaite (Syrian) and Shiite (Hezbollah and Iran) alliance is taking a new form.

It seems that it is possible to notice part of the new reality that will be met not long from now through the fog of the combat. The Syrian rebellion is close to its goal - ending 40 years in which the Alawite minority ruled the country. The results of the rebellion thus far have been regime chaos alongside the formulation of new loyalties. The contours of the new loyalties are primarily religious-ethnic, and rely on populations in defined geographical concentrations – Kurds, Sunnis, Alawites and Druze.

For example, the Druze currently face genuine distress. The alliance with the Alawites is about to lose its meaning, and they must find a way to the next elements that will rule in Syria. The process is still underway. It is possible that several instances of ethnic cleansing will take place before the internal borders are established, primarily between Sunni and Alawite populations, in the coastal regions (Latakia, Tartus) and central Syria (Homs, Hama), accompanied by harsh massacre photos. Their goal will be to stabilize the core regions of each of the sides.


The Alliance Strengthens
The rebellion has strengthened the Alawite-Shiite alliance. If the Alawites supported Hezbollah and aided in its formulation in the past, now the Shiites are coming towards the Alawites, backed with Iranian support. This alliance is preparing itself for the day after the rebellion. While it is not discussed openly, the reality being formed points to this direction. The Shiite-Alawite connection will rely on territorial continuity from south Lebanon, through the Lebanon Valley and the Syrian coast, up to the border with Turkey.

Military assets such as military units and strategic weapons will be transferred towards this region. The transfer of advanced weapons from Syria to Lebanon must be explained as part of this readiness, and it must not be thought that Assad will share assets with Hezbollah as a philanthropist during his period of distress. Assad also does not view himself as committing suicide, certainly not the Alawite power elements in the military and the Alawite community. Such transfer of weapons must therefore be understood as an interim process for preserving strategic capabilities for future use by the Alawite-Shiite axis.

The Russian bases in the coastal regions pose an interesting matter. Will they continue to exist in their current form, and transfer loyalty from the next central regime in Damascus to the Alawite entity along the coast? Such a possibility exists, since the primary Russian interest is the existence of a presence along the coasts of the Middle East.

All these, along with the fact that the notion of the independent Syria has suffered a strong blow, have a direct effect on Israel’s geo-strategic situation. This is where many trends continue, each of which are of importance to Israel's national security.


The residues of hostility and acts of vendetta will accompany Syrian society for many more years, and will influence the agendas of the new leaderships that will arise. The Syrian military may fall apart, with the Alawite elite units transferring to the Alawite region. Hezbollah and the Iranian threat will survive the fall of the Damascus regime and will continue to threaten Israel from the north. The Druze in Syria, currently part of the Alawite coalition, will be forced to seek new partners within and beyond Syria.

At the same time, Turkey and Israel will have a common opponent that will force them to converse, either directly or with US mediation, and Russia’s presence in Syria and the Russian interests in the Middle East will apparently be preserved.

**
Brig. Gen (Res.) Hanan Gefen served in Israeli intelligence for many years. His last role was as commander of IDF Unit 8200.

http://www.israeldefense.com/?CategoryID=483&ArticleID=1949

gresh
02-11-2013, 10:51 AM
RIP to the dead.


Report: Car bomb kills 5 near Syria border

ISTANBUL (AP) — Turkish media say a car bomb has exploded near a crossing point along Syria's border, killing at least five people.


State-run Anadolu news agency says the explosion happened Monday on Turkish soil, about 40 meters from a border gate in the Reyhanli district of Hatay province. Anadolu says five people were killed.
http://www.chron.com/news/world/article/Syria-rebel-activists-say-car-bomb-explodes-at-4267831.php

jokuvaan
02-11-2013, 11:05 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/11/world/middleeast/syrian-war-closes-in-on-the-heart-of-damascus.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0

Near the Qadam railway station last week, many of the government soldiers, their hair and beards untrimmed, wore disheveled or dirty uniforms and smelled as if they had not had showers in a long time. Some soldiers and security officers even appeared drunk

“I didn’t see my family for more than a year,” a government soldier from a distant province said in a rare outpouring of candor. He was checking drivers’ identifications near the railway station at a checkpoint where hundreds of soldiers arrived last week with tanks and other armored vehicles.

“I am tired and haven’t slept well for a week,” he said, confiding in a traveler who happened to be from his hometown. “I have one wish — to see my family and have a long, long sleep. Then I don’t care if I die.”

Camera
02-11-2013, 11:11 AM
Damascus on Edge as War Seeps Into Syrian Capital


By an employee of THE NEW YORK TIMES in DAMASCUS SYRIA and ANNE BARNARD (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/anne_barnard/index.html)

(…)

For months, this ancient city has been hunched in a defensive crouch as fighting raged in suburbs that curve around the city’s south and east. On the western edge of the city, the palace of the embattled president, Bashar al-Assad, sits on a steep, well-defended ridge.


In between, Damascus, with its walled Old City, grand diagonal avenues and crowded working-class districts, has remained the eye of the storm. People keep going to work, even as electric service grows sporadic and groceries dwindle, even as the road to the airport is often cut off by fighting outside the city, and even as smoke from artillery and airstrikes in suburbs becomes a regular feature on the horizon.

But after rebels took the railway station 10 days ago in a city district called Qadam and attacked Abassiyeen Square on an approach to the city center on Wednesday, a new level of alarm and disorder has suffused the city. Rebels have pushed farther into the capital than at any point since July, when they briefly held part of a southern neighborhood (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/18/world/middleeast/syria-hardens-response-to-clashes-in-damascus.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0).

Near the Qadam railway station last week, many of the government soldiers, their hair and beards untrimmed, wore disheveled or dirty uniforms and smelled as if they had not had showers in a long time. Some soldiers and security officers even appeared drunk, walking unsteadily with their weapons askew — a shocking sight in Syria, where regimented security forces and smartly uniformed officers have long been presented as a symbol of national pride.

The deployment appeared aimed at stopping the rebels from advancing past Qadam, either across the city’s ring road and toward the downtown or to suburbs to the east to close a gap in the opposition’s front line.

(…)

On a recent journey along the front line, a traveler saw soldiers speaking harshly to residents at checkpoints outside Yarmouk Camp, a long-contested area east of Qadam that is home to both Syrians and Palestinian (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/p/palestinians/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier)refugees, who have lived there for decades. Rebels took over much of the camp in December, drawing government airstrikes (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/world/middleeast/syrian-airstrike-kills-palestinian-refugees.html) that drove out most residents. But about 20 percent of those people appear to have returned, in part, they said, because the government had attacked another refugee camp where they had taken shelter.

(…)

Another center of recent fighting is just northeast of the city. Rebels who have taken over much of the suburb of Qaboun recently pushed across the ring road there into the city neighborhood of Jobar. From there, said Abu Omar al-Jobrani, a leader of fighters in the area, they moved mortars close enough to attack a munitions factory and air force security headquarters near Abassiyeen Square, a traffic circle that is near a major stadium and that provides access to downtown.

Reports of rebel strikes on Wednesday on such a central landmark, which appeared to be backed up by videos showing black smoke pouring across the plaza, raised new fears in the capital. The government closed the roads around the square, causing traffic jams deep into downtown, and sent dozens of security men to protect the Parliament building. Terrified residents of the central Old City closed their shops.

Fighting continued over the weekend, as the government and rebels fought for control of the ring road near Jobar. Shells and airstrikes kept raining on the neighborhood, sending dust and smoke into the air, higher than the minarets on its mosques.

​http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/11/world/middleeast/syrian-war-closes-in-on-the-heart-of-damascus.html?pagewanted=2&ref=global-home


EDIT:

jakuvaan preceeded me and posted the link while I was editing the article.

yves
02-11-2013, 01:32 PM
BREAKING : Al Islam brigade announce they have taken full control of jarrah military airport in aleppo
note this is their claim ...

jokuvaan
02-11-2013, 02:03 PM
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=36.0968035&lon=37.9469553&z=14&l=0&m=b&tag=516 It's a large area, will take some time to secure every meter of it. Rebels are also inside of Mengh(?) and Kowaire(?) airbases according to late twitters.

yves
02-11-2013, 02:06 PM
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=36.0968035&lon=37.9469553&z=14&l=0&m=b&tag=516 It's a large area, will take some time to secure every meter of it. Rebels are also inside of Mengh(?) and Kowaire(?) airbases according to late twitters.
Seems that the large assadi convoy was just destined to safira factories and didn't bring releif to this area

Ulytau
02-11-2013, 02:11 PM
RIP to the dead.


http://www.chron.com/news/world/article/Syria-rebel-activists-say-car-bomb-explodes-at-4267831.php


13 (3 Turks and 10 Syrians) also 28 people (13 very serious) wounded.I wonder when our Epic Fail of Foreign Affairs gonna resign.

kalerab
02-11-2013, 02:20 PM
“I am tired and haven’t slept well for a week,” he said, confiding in a traveler who happened to be from his hometown. “I have one wish — to see my family and have a long, long sleep. Then I don’t care if I die.”

it would not be such a bad war if only one could get a little more sleep - Stanislaus "Kat" Katczinsky, All Quiet on the Western Front

gresh
02-11-2013, 02:20 PM
13 (3 Turks and 10 Syrians) also 28 people (13 very serious) wounded.I wonder when our Epic Fail of Foreign Affairs gonna resign.
Damn. Any more details? I read some report that 3 people crossed from the Syrian side then ran back across.

Surenas
02-11-2013, 02:25 PM
Damn. Any more details? I read some report that 3 people crossed from the Syrian side then ran back across.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/explosion-at-turkish-syrian-border-gate-kills-13.aspx?pageID=238&nID=40874&NewsCatID=341

Ulytau
02-11-2013, 02:27 PM
Damn. Any more details? I read some report that 3 people crossed from the Syrian side then ran back across.

Here is more info mate,also pics;

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/explosion-at-turkish-syrian-border-gate-kills-13.aspx?pageID=238&nID=40874&NewsCatID=341

But i didnt read about 3 people at Turkish news btw

gresh
02-11-2013, 02:34 PM
Here is more info mate,also pics;

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/explosion-at-turkish-syrian-border-gate-kills-13.aspx?pageID=238&nID=40874&NewsCatID=341

But i didnt read about 3 people at Turkish news btw
When I heard about it, my first thought was "jihadists". Al-Nusra Front and their associates don't get along with the Farouq Brigade who share control of the border with a few others.

Ulytau
02-11-2013, 03:08 PM
When I heard about it, my first thought was "jihadists". Al-Nusra Front and their associates don't get along with the Farouq Brigade who share control of the border with a few others.

Dont know mate,according to news car was coming from Syria btw another bomb exploded in Istanbul (15.50 Turkish time) a man lightly injured.

Camera
02-11-2013, 06:24 PM
Netanyahu says Israel would attack Syria again to prevent arms transfer to Lebanon's Hezbollah

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/netanyahu-says-israel-would-attack-syria-again-to-prevent-arms-transfer-to-lebanon-s-hezbollah.premium-1.502958

TT1
02-11-2013, 07:11 PM
Syria’s Circassians wait for trip back to Russia
ANKARA - Hürriyet Daily News

Of the roughly 1,200 Syrian Circassians who fled from clashes in Syria and have taken shelter in Turkey, nearly half want to return to their original homelands in Russia, so Syrian Circassians are seeking changes to existing Russian immigration laws in order to be repatriated immediately.

Hundreds of Syrian Circassians, sheltered by Circassia associations in Turkey, are seeking a solution to the lengthy routine of red tape necessary to return to their homeland. Circassia associations in Turkey have appealed to the Turkish Foreign Ministry and Moscow to facilitate their speedy return. A law adopted in Russian Parliament in 1999 allowed thousands of Circassians who fled their homes more than 100 years ago return to their homeland but did not enable the direct return of Circassians to Russia.

The law puts a quota for those who seek residence permits and then citizenship in Russia, but Syrian Circassians demand Moscow provide exceptions, as the Kremlin did in 1998 for Circassians from Kosovo, Hasan Seymen from the Circassian Associations Federation told the Hürriyet Daily News yesterday.

In 1998 Russia facilitated the repatriation of some 200 Circassians from Kosovo after they were attacked by ethnic Albanians. Recently, a committee advised the Duma not to make an exemption for Syrian Circassians, saying they had left the country of their own will during the Soviet era, Seymen said. “However Circassians did not leave their homeland of their own will, on the contrary they were exiled and massacred,” he said. “There are no Syrian Circassians sheltered in refugee camps in Turkey. We host them in Turkish Circassians’ houses in Kahramanmaraş, Mersin, Balıkesir, Bandırma, Biga, Antalya, Konya and Tokat,” Seymen added.

Seymen said Circassian associations in Turkey had applied to Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu to convince his Russian counterpart to remove the bureaucratic hurdles to allow hundreds of Syrian Circassians return to Russia.
...
Confirming the return of Circassian Turks to Russia, Turkish Foreign Ministry officials said those who left Turkey were still able to hold their Turkish citizenship as a gesture from the Turkish government.

Circassians were exiled en masse from their Caucasus homeland to the Ottoman Empire by Russian forces in the 19th century.

February/12/2013
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http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/syrias-circassians-wait-for-trip-back-to-russia.aspx?pageID=238&nID=40925&NewsCatID=352

themacedonian
02-11-2013, 07:35 PM
Here is more info mate,also pics;

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/explosion-at-turkish-syrian-border-gate-kills-13.aspx?pageID=238&nID=40874&NewsCatID=341

But i didnt read about 3 people at Turkish news btw

Is this a rebel held border post? Complete responsibility for security there is with the rebels. Maybe a arms transfer gone off!

kalerab
02-11-2013, 08:24 PM
It is and it doesn´t look like an accident. So far two theories -
a, regime did it for obvious reasons
b, Nusra did it because they have bad relations with Farouq which controls the crossing. Farouq killed one of their commanders, Nusra in returned assassinated one of Farouq commanders in Turkey.

Laworkerbee
02-11-2013, 08:27 PM
It is and it doesn´t look like an accident. So far two theories -
a, regime did it for obvious reasons
b, Nusra did it because they have bad relations with Farouq which controls the crossing. Farouq killed one of their commanders, Nusra in returned assassinated one of Farouq commanders in Turkey.

Possible accident? Maybe transporting materials to a bomb making facility over the border? Say a dud 250 kilogram bomb or something perhaps.

prince99x
02-11-2013, 08:29 PM
Is this a rebel held border post? Complete responsibility for security there is with the rebels. Maybe a arms transfer gone off!U wanna hear the side of the story from a 3rd syrian party ,im talking about (Syrian Truth) website run by Nizar Neof,btw fu*k him,the anti-all syrian side,he is saying that the car goal was a meeting between Turkish intelligence and Syrian opposition beside FSA leaders.But the responsibility of the bombing is a big ?,could it be Jbhat al nusra revenge or SAA strike.

kalerab
02-11-2013, 08:35 PM
I really doubt that Turkish intelligence officials and FSA are having meeting on border crossing which is used by refugees and aid convoys. There is no reason for them to not go to at least some safehouse in Killis which is under Turkish military and intelligence lock-down.


Possible accident? Maybe transporting materials to a bomb making facility over the border? Say a dud 250 kilogram bomb or something perhaps.

Possible but I´d imagine that someone would mention that.

Laworkerbee
02-11-2013, 08:45 PM
Possible but I´d imagine that someone would mention that.

Not sure it would be in anyone's best interest to admit that the FSA might be bringing UXO into Turkey if this was indeed the case.

themacedonian
02-11-2013, 09:34 PM
U wanna hear the side of the story from a 3rd syrian party ,im talking about (Syrian Truth) website run by Nizar Neof,btw fu*k him,the anti-all syrian side,he is saying that the car goal was a meeting between Turkish intelligence and Syrian opposition beside FSA leaders.But the responsibility of the bombing is a big ?,could it be Jbhat al nusra revenge or SAA strike.

Well for a regime that is externally accused of various terrorist activities in the middle east (lebanon) I have not heard car bombs being used against the opposition.

gresh
02-12-2013, 06:26 AM
Syrian MP survives assassination attempt

Damascus: A Syrian MP has survived an assassination attempt, when his car was ****y-trapped with an explosive device.
Sharif Shehade’s car was ****y-trapped with an explosive device that exploded without injuring him, according to Sham FM radio.
The blast took place in Damascus’ Bramikeh district.
http://gulfnews.com/news/region/syria/syrian-mp-survives-assassination-attempt-1.1145360?utm_content=1.1145360


About that car bomb earlier in Turkey.-


Bombing on Syria border may have targeted opposition leader
BEIRUT — A minibus explosion at a crossing on the Turkish-Syrian border killed more than a dozen people Monday, and some activists said its target might have been one of the leading figures in the Syrian opposition.

The blast struck the Turkish side of the border minutes after George Sabra, vice president of the Syrian National Coalition, passed through, several opposition activists said. Sabra was returning to Turkey after a trip to the city of Aleppo, in nearby Idlib province, said opposition activist Ahmad Aasi.


The Bab Hawa border crossing has for months been controlled by forces who oppose the government of President Bashar Assad and has been a main artery for refugees fleeing the country and for aid and weapons entering Syria.


Turkey's semiofficial Anatolian news agency reported that the minibus, which had Syrian license plates, was laden with powerful explosives.


No one had taken responsibility for the blast by late Monday. A pro-Syrian government group reported that the attack was carried out by members of Syrian intelligence, which planted explosives in a truck carrying ammunition to the country. The group said that dozens of "terrorists" were killed in the blast. The Syrian government refers to all opposition figures as terrorists.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-syria-fighting-20130212,0,4419784.story

kalerab
02-12-2013, 09:07 AM
Well for a regime that is externally accused of various terrorist activities in the middle east (lebanon) I have not heard car bombs being used against the opposition.

They were used in Lebanon.

Camera
02-12-2013, 09:14 AM
Rebels capture air base in northern SyriaAirfield seizure comes day after Syrian rebels captured the country’s largest dam
BEIRUT (AP) — Rebels captured a military air base in northern Syria on Tuesday, handing opposition fighters their second strategic victory in their nearly two-year battle against President Bashar Assad in as many days, activists said.


The seizure of the al-Jarrah airfield in Aleppo province comes a day after opposition fighters captured the nation’s largest dam, an iconic industrial symbol of the Assad family’s four-decade rule in Syria.

CONTINUED: http://www.timesofisrael.com/rebels-capture-air-base-in-northern-syria/

OrangeWolf
02-12-2013, 09:25 AM
According to Naharnet Lebanese new channel, some residents in a place called Al-Beddawi stopped a convoy of diesel trucks going to Syria. Someone's ignoring the sanctions.

kalerab
02-12-2013, 09:41 AM
Beddawi is Palestinian refugee camp near Tripoli. Interesting to see Palestinians blocking it.

OrangeWolf
02-12-2013, 09:46 AM
Beddawi is Palestinian refugee camp near Tripoli. Interesting to see Palestinians blocking it.
http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/71545-report-syrian-trucks-transporting-gasoline-from-lebanon-to-damascus

Stuja
02-12-2013, 10:50 AM
Beddawi is Palestinian refugee camp near Tripoli. Interesting to see Palestinians blocking it.
Yo kalerab any info on Aleppo as of late ?

kalerab
02-12-2013, 12:00 PM
Yo kalerab any info on Aleppo as of late ?

Not much. Only major in recent....long time...was rebels taking control of Sheikh Said district and cutting the ring-road that was used as supply line between airport and western part of city. Also rebels started attacking airport itself. If that falls they will simply starve pro-government forces.

Silent Reader
02-12-2013, 12:06 PM
CNN exclusive: Fragile cease-fire holds in besieged town




Tal Kalakh, Syria (CNN) -- In the western town of Tal Kalakh, rebel fighters stand their ground as government forces loom just yards away. But here, bullets aren't flying.That's because the two sides have agreed to something remarkable -- a cease-fire. While fragile, the agreement could be a blueprint for peace across more parts of the country, which has seen incessant bloodshed for 23 months.

If the local cease-fire continues to hold, it would defy failures at the national and international levels to implement a meaningful halt in violence.

"We are for peace. We don't want war. We are 100% committed to peace," said a rebel leader who goes by the name Al Abrash. "But if they want a war, we are ready for that. We didn't agree to the cease-fire out of weakness. We did it to protect the women and children."


The cease-fire is a first step of a private "reconciliation initiative" led by a sheikh and a member of Syria's parliament.

Continue: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/11/world/meast/syria-civil-war/index.html?hpt=hp_c4

yves
02-12-2013, 01:17 PM
Base 80 taken over by Jabhat al nosra rebels now at the edge of aleppo intl

kalerab
02-12-2013, 02:16 PM
KNC (Kurdish National Council - supported by Iraqi Kurdistan president Barzani and his KDP party) decided to join opposition umbrella Syrian National Coalition

http://www.welati.info/nuce.php?ziman=ar&id=5524&niviskar=1&cure=5&kijan=

kalerab
02-12-2013, 03:42 PM
The Alawis


The government of President Assad of Syria is under threat. So too is the secretive Shia sect known as the Alawis - or Alawites - to which he and many of the governing party and security officials belong.
Hostility towards the minority Alawi population is such that one leading commentator predicts they are likely to be the victims of the world's next genocide.
Presenter Owen Bennett Jones investigates the Alawis' origins, history and culture and asks how these once marginalised people came to power in a Sunni majority state.
He discovers that for many their fortunes changed fifty years ago when the Baath party seized power in a coup d'etat. Alawis were dominant among the army officers who took control. They set about modernising the country and rolling out a secular agenda.
Now, as Syria's revolution has morphed into a civil war, many Alawis believe their only choice is to kill or be killed.
Are the majority of Alawis right to be convinced that the Assad regime is all that stands between them and a return to second-class status, or worse? If the opposition wins in Syria, are warnings about pogroms against the Alawis alarmist, or inevitable?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01qdtql

30 minutes long program, but pretty good.

Surenas
02-12-2013, 03:46 PM
Presenter Owen Bennett Jones investigates the Alawis' origins, history and culture and asks how these once marginalised people came to power in a Sunni majority state.

I'm not really aware of their history, but weren't they supported by the British in their divide-and-qonquer policy?


30 minutes long program, but pretty good.

Thanks.

Camera
02-12-2013, 03:48 PM
I'm not really aware of their history, but weren't they supported by the British in their divide-and-qonquer policy?

Thanks.

What British? Syria was under French mandate.

Surenas
02-12-2013, 03:50 PM
What British? Syria was under French mandate.

I meant France of course.

Camera
02-12-2013, 03:53 PM
The Alawis

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01qdtql

30 minutes long program, but pretty good.

The program does not play on an iPad. :(

Surenas
02-12-2013, 03:55 PM
I've looked it up, and colonization has indeed played a part in this Alawite-Sunni segregation.


Under the French Mandate the occupying forces sought favour with the Alawite community in its bid to divide and conquer. The Alawite state of Latakia (Al Doulieh Al Jabal Alaween) was established – with French permission and support – in 1922. Their reward for collaborating with the French transpired in increased political independence, and arms.

http://www.neareastquarterly.com/index.php/2011/12/11/civil-war-is-unlikely-after-assad/

kalerab
02-12-2013, 03:56 PM
The program does not play on an iPad. :(

Try this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/b01qdtql

Camera
02-12-2013, 04:01 PM
Try this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/b01qdtql

Thank you, but it doesn't work neither (requires Flash). It's weird the BBC radio is not compatible with iPad and iPhone.
I'll listen to it later on the laptop.

Albor
02-12-2013, 04:19 PM
I've looked it up, and colonization has indeed played a part in this Alawite-Sunni segregation.



http://www.neareastquarterly.com/index.php/2011/12/11/civil-war-is-unlikely-after-assad/

Yes, it provided Alawites an opportunity to join armed forces and police (and thus to be trained), something they pursued after the independence and proved to be a successful social and political strategy with the rise of Baath party. An informed and interesting reading: http://www.danielpipes.org/191/the-alawi-capture-of-power-in-syria

Excerpt:

They provided a disproportionate number of soldiers to the government, forming about half the eight infantry battalions making up the Troupes Spéciales du Levant, serving as police, and supplying intelligence. As late as May 1945, the vast majority of Troupes Spéciales remained loyal to their French commanders. 'Alawis broke up Sunni demonstrations, shut down strikes, and quelled rebellions. 'Alawis publicly favored the continuation of French rule, fearing that France's departure would lead to a reassertion of Sunni control over them. Henri de Jouvenel, the French High Commissioner for Syria (1925-27), quoted a leading 'Alawi politician telling him: "We have succeeded in making more progress in three or four years than we had in three or four centuries. Leave us therefore in our present situation."

Camera
02-12-2013, 05:06 PM
The rebels say that among the captured planes some are operational and that they could be used by defected pilots to strike Assad's forces:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4344299,00.html

Hisroyalhighness
02-12-2013, 05:07 PM
The rebels say that among the captured planes some are operational and that they could be used by defected pilots to strike Assad's forces:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4344299,00.html

Finally! Something for the Shell-S1 to snack on.

Serious: I doubt the FSA has the logistical means to fuel and arm the aircraft.

Bloo
02-12-2013, 05:32 PM
FSA lacks the resources and means to use aircraft, yeah. Though down the line using some Mi-17's might not be out of the question for them. Problem for them is after clashing with Turkey, Jordan, and Israel all within the last year Assad probably has a lot of tactical SAM systems in hiding still in case of a major escalation with any of the parties.

BitnikGr
02-12-2013, 06:07 PM
Finally! Something for the Shell-S1 to snack on.

Serious: I doubt the FSA has the logistical means to fuel and arm the aircraft.

If rebels will starting taking helicopters and aircrafts in the air, the Syrian Air Defense will have a huge problem... FFI system will be the same and I bet friendly-fire incidents will start appearing very soon.

Let's also recall that captured AAA guns with computerized FCS in Chechnya couldn't be locked by insurgents, because the trigger wasn't working when identifying a friendly aircraft.

Camera
02-12-2013, 06:56 PM
Finally! Something for the Shell-S1 to snack on.

Serious: I doubt the FSA has the logistical means to fuel and arm the aircraft.

I'm not sure. On the vids the facilities of the airbase seem intacts and there were ordinances in the warehouses.
If they have defected pilots and defected or captured ground personnel, it should not be impossible to render operational a L-39 which is not a sophisticated aircraft.

prince99x
02-12-2013, 07:51 PM
Oh, OK. So what you are saying is that Russia failed to prevent the conflicts from happening or at least getting at the heart of the beast first before the **** hit the fan where they had no choice but to go in (and subsiquently enough, get more people killed)? If so, then I see what you are saying and I agree. The Russian government can be very spineless it seems.
I'm not sure. On the vids the facilities of the airbase seem intacts and there were ordinances in the warehouses. If they have defected pilots and defected or captured ground personnel, it should not be impossible to render operational a L-٣٩ which is not a sophisticated aircraft.Are u wishing that they fly a plane,or r u discussing the possibility of this 1000 miles far dream of the smartest group of terrorists in Syria which even doesn't exist.

AirCanada
02-12-2013, 08:06 PM
Judging from what I can see on the evening news, the West has moved on. There used to be daily news stories about how Assad was murdering innocents in elementary schools. The political elite tried to sell the story but since it didn't catch on, it just a footnote now. After what happened in Libya, there's no appetite for intervention in the West. It's pretty much between the FSA and Assad. Whoever lasts longest will be the victor. I feel sorry for all the non combatants caught in between.

kalerab
02-12-2013, 09:11 PM
No. But repeating news about massacres in Syria gets old. News needs something new. 2 years of killing is not.

Laker1
02-12-2013, 09:24 PM
The "rebels" took control over Syrian warplanes. The question is if they are able to arm and maintain them..

Siempre_Leal
02-12-2013, 09:52 PM
Syria24 English

Damascus Countryside
- Syrian Army operations take place in Erbeen and Zamalka towns resulting the death of 50 armed men, including Mamoun al-Maghrebi.
Edilb
- Syrian army kill a large number of militants, seizing shoulder fire missiles
Daraa
- Syrian Army kills the leader Alaa al-Zu’bi and other gunmen during clashes in al-Sfera town.

Laworkerbee
02-13-2013, 03:36 AM
KNC (Kurdish National Council - supported by Iraqi Kurdistan president Barzani and his KDP party) decided to join opposition umbrella Syrian National Coalition

http://www.welati.info/nuce.php?ziman=ar&id=5524&niviskar=1&cure=5&kijan=

Very interesting.

geolocator
02-13-2013, 05:12 AM
RBC 13.02.2013, Moscow 12:27:15 Russia didn't supply tactical missile complexes "Iskander" to Syria. Director General of "Rosoboronexport" Anatoly Isaikin told reporters today . "The contract for their supply doesn't exist," - he stressed.

In mid-December 2012. some Iranian media reported on alleged Russian supplies of tactical cruise missile "Iskander" to Syria. Russian authorities have not commented on this information.
Translated by Google.

Camera
02-13-2013, 06:17 AM
Are u wishing that they fly a plane,or r u discussing the possibility of this 1000 miles far dream of the smartest group of terrorists in Syria which even doesn't exist.

The L-39 and the facility look operational. The FSA has defected pilots. If ground maintenance personal has defected or was captured, chances are this trainer planes could fly. No magic is needed for this.

What's shocking is that in each base that falls, the rebels capture huge amounts of ammunitions, weapons and vehicles. The SAA should have blown them.

Camera
02-13-2013, 06:18 AM
Russian state arms dealer to continue shipments to SyriaRosoboronexport director says sales of defense weapons to Assad regime not prohibited by the UN
MOSCOW (AP) — The head of Russia’s state arms trader says Moscow will continue shipping weapons to the government in Syria despite the country’s escalating civil war.

Anatoly Isaikin, the director of Rosoboronexport, says arms trade with Syria isn’t prohibited by the United Nations and so Russia has no intention to stop.

Isaikin told a Wednesday news conference that Russia is sending Syria defensive weapons, mostly air-defense systems, but nothing that could be used offensively such as planes, helicopters or armored vehicles.

Moscow has been a main protector of Syrian President Bashar Assad’s beleaguered regime, shielding it from attempts to impose UN sanctions over his crackdown on a 23-month-old uprising in which more than 60,000 have died.

Isaikin said more deliveries will be conducted under existing contracts, but gave no specifics.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/russian-state-arms-dealer-to-continue-shipments-to-syria/

Ayash
02-13-2013, 06:58 AM
Does anyone else follow the battle of As Safirah? This town southeast of Aleppo sits on the Aleppo Salmiyah road, one the major routes from the south into the city. In recent days the SAA has been staging an offensive on two fronts to capture it. One force came north from Hama and managed to cature Khanasser, 30 km south of As Safirah.
Another force attacked from the vicinity of the Aleppo international airport towards the south and is currently stalled at Tal 'Arn, just a few kilometers north of the city. If those two forces (currently about 40km from each other) manage to link up, the SAA will finally have an open land route to Aleppo, which would be hugely significant.

Rebel44CZ
02-13-2013, 07:34 AM
Does anyone else follow the battle of As Safirah? This town southeast of Aleppo sits on the Aleppo Salmiyah road, one the major routes from the south into the city. In recent days the SAA has been staging an offensive on two fronts to capture it. One force came north from Hama and managed to cature Khanasser, 30 km south of As Safirah.
Another force attacked from the vicinity of the Aleppo international airport towards the south and is currently stalled at Tal 'Arn, just a few kilometers north of the city. If those two forces (currently about 40km from each other) manage to link up, the SAA will finally have an open land route to Aleppo, which would be hugely significant.

Even if they manage to link up, I doubt that they would be able to hold that route for long.

Ayash
02-13-2013, 07:52 AM
Even if they manage to link up, I doubt that they would be able to hold that route for long.
The area the route goes through seems like mostly a desert almost all the way to As-Safirah itself, which is just a few kms south of Aleppo. That means few hostile towns and little cover for the rebels. Maintaining that route open should prove easier than the Damascus-Aleppo highway to the west.

ImpNavigator
02-13-2013, 09:40 AM
Russian state arms dealer to continue shipments to Syria
http://www.timesofisrael.com/russian-state-arms-dealer-to-continue-shipments-to-syria/

IMO most important for Syrian army, that Russia continues shipping "repair equipment intended for various branches of the military".

Surenas
02-13-2013, 09:44 AM
Assad: Current Crisis Prompts Syrians to Have Greater Hope in Government


TEHRAN (FNA)- Syrian President Bashar al-Assad said that the current situation the country is passing through prompts citizens to have greater hope in the government.

During a cabinet meeting after new ministers were sworn in before Assad and Prime Minister Wael al-Halqi, the Syrian leader said this hope "gives the ministries and state establishments an extra responsibility" in order to get over the ongoing crisis, SANA reported.

On Tuesday, President Assad noted that it is the Syrian citizen's responsibility to fulfill their duties in order to reach a team work, whether this is in each establishment or between the state and the citizen to alleviate the effects of the crisis.

In this context, the Syrian leader stressed that the sides targeting Syria have been working methodically to destroy the country's infrastructure, "and in that they target the Syrian people first and foremost".

President Assad reshuffled the cabinet on Saturday, as he named seven new ministers.

The new Ministers are Minister of Public Works Hussein Arnous, Minister of Labor Hassan Hijazi, Agriculture and Agrarian Reform Minister Ahmad al-Qadri, Petroleum and Mineral Resources Minister Sleiman al-Abbas, Finance Minister Ismael Ismael, and Minister of Social Affairs Kinda al-Shammat, according to the news agency.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9107144282

Genotype
02-13-2013, 09:52 AM
Does anyone else follow the battle of As Safirah? This town southeast of Aleppo sits on the Aleppo Salmiyah road, one the major routes from the south into the city. In recent days the SAA has been staging an offensive on two fronts to capture it. One force came north from Hama and managed to cature Khanasser, 30 km south of As Safirah.
Another force attacked from the vicinity of the Aleppo international airport towards the south and is currently stalled at Tal 'Arn, just a few kilometers north of the city. If those two forces (currently about 40km from each other) manage to link up, the SAA will finally have an open land route to Aleppo, which would be hugely significant.

From what I understand, the force moving coming from Aleppo is basically bogged down and not going anywhere. Rebel strategic momentum in the area is against them, with the rebels trying to envelop and encircle Aleppo International Airport, the SAA thrust south is in danger of having to fall back or be cut off itself.

As to what's going on around Al-Safira itself, that's a lot less certain. After the rebel offensive to capture the town and the (suspected) chemical weapons facilities to the South West, it's hard to get concrete news out. From what I have read, it seems the force advancing from Hama has had some success in their attack and managed to recapture a fair amount of terrain.

I personally, wouldn't be surprised to see the Syrian army thrust recapture Al-Safira, but then the force advancing North hits a lot more trouble as it faces the militant "nexus" around Aleppo, as it tries to close those last few kilometres. Recapturing Al-Safira itself will be a major fight and probably not open the road, nor secure it as a supply route.

Genotype
02-13-2013, 10:01 AM
From what I understand, the force moving coming from Aleppo is basically bogged down and not going anywhere. Rebel strategic momentum in the area is against them, with the rebels trying to envelop and encircle Aleppo International Airport, the SAA thrust south is in danger of having to fall back or be cut off itself.

As to what's going on around Al-Safira itself, that's a lot less certain. After the rebel offensive to capture the town and the (suspected) chemical weapons facilities to the South West, it's hard to get concrete news out. From what I have read, it seems the force advancing from Hama has had some success in their attack and managed to recapture a fair amount of terrain.

I personally, wouldn't be surprised to see the Syrian army thrust recapture Al-Safira, but then the force advancing North hits a lot more trouble as it faces the militant "nexus" around Aleppo, as it tries to close those last few kilometres. Recapturing Al-Safira itself will be a major fight and probably not open the road, nor secure it as a supply route.

Oh, and as an aside, rumour has it majority of the opposition fighters at Safira are Jabhat Al Nusra.

It seems the FSA formations fighting inside Aleppo proper have not been terribly interested in aiding their Salafi brethren to the south.

The problem is, I've never seen Jabhat Al Nusra post bad news. If Al-Safira is under assault and the Syrian army are trying to drive them out, there won't be any youtube videos of it. So it's a bit of an information black hole. My personal interpretation is simply that Safira IS under assault, but noones winning at the moment (the youtube videos will emerge when one side starts to gain the upper hand).

Genotype
02-13-2013, 10:19 AM
RPG29 sighting? (2.47)

Also pretty sure that's an M60 recoilless rifle they have as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdCkse5STx4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jdCkse5STx4)

kalerab
02-13-2013, 10:42 AM
Fighting rages near Aleppo airport


BEIRUT: Syrian rebels fought pitched battles Wednesday against regime forces at a military base that protects a major airport in the country's north in fighting that has left more than 40 government troops dead, opposition activists said.

Rebels have been attacking the civilian airport in the city of Aleppo for weeks, and now appear to have overrun the main defenses around the facility. But the airport itself, which stopped handling any flights weeks ago because of the fighting, still remains in regime hands.

On Tuesday, opposition fighters captured large parts of the "Brigade 80" base near the airport and attacked another major air base, Nairab, adjacent to the international airport after taking control of al-Manara army checkpoint just outside it.

By Wednesday, the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the rebels were "almost fully in control" of the "Brigade 80" base. He said more than 40 government troops were killed in the fighting, including two brigadier generals, a colonel and two lieutenant colonels. The report could not be independently confirmed.

Heavy clashes were also still raging for control of the Nairab base as well as outside the civilian airport, which both have their own defenses in addition to the protection provided by Brigade 80.



http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2013/Feb-13/206286-syrian-troops-rebels-clash-in-contested-north.ashx#axzz2Kn2kzmjV

kalerab
02-13-2013, 11:28 AM
Tension rises in rebel Syria between jihadists, locals


ATME, Syria: Syrian rebels once welcomed fighters of the jihadist Al-Nusra Front with open arms but disputes over the extremists' strict interpretation of Islam are beginning to strain the ties.

In a rebel rear base at Atme in northern Syria, on the border with Turkey, at least four fights have broken out in recent weeks between jihadists and mainstream rebels, witnesses and residents told AFP.

One fight degenerated into an exchange of fire.

While the majority of the population -- and the rebels -- are Sunni Muslims, close interaction with people from dozens of other religious groups has over centuries softened most Syrians' interpretation of Islam.

But the jihadists, who are linked to Al-Qaeda, follow a puritanical interpretation of Islamic jurisprudence, considering for example a man smoking a cigarette or choosing to shave his beard to have become "anti-Islamic".

In the village of Qah in the northwest Syria province of Idlib, Al-Nusra Front fighters arrested a man for cursing after a minor car accident, sparking a heated standoff with villagers when they brought him before an Islamic tribunal.

The arrested man was the brother of a respected local leader and longtime insurgent, who quickly mobilised dozens of armed men, residents told AFP on condition of anonymity.

After a prolonged face-off with Al-Nusra fighters during which some jihadists were kidnapped, Qah residents secured the release of the arrested man in exchange for an Al-Nusra commander.

The jihadist commander was released only after his long Salafist beard had been trimmed, the sources added.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2013/Feb-11/206017-tension-rises-in-rebel-syria-between-jihadists-locals.ashx#axzz2Kn2kzmjV

kalerab
02-13-2013, 12:44 PM
Syria Analysis: A New Insurgent Alliance --- With New Weapons --- Is Changing the War

Yesterday's dramatic news was the insurgency['s capture of an airbase, complete with working fighter jets, in Aleppo Province and the assault against the largest Assad base in the north, near Aleppo International Airport.

This surge is at least partially the result of new weapons and new organisation of insurgency groups in Daraa and Damascus, with ample evidence that the boost in arms is courtesy of foreign powers.

Now a new piece of evidence bolsters the assessment that these weapons are coming from outside Syria, and also gives insight into the modified organisation of insurgent groups. Eliot Higgins presents this video:

According to Higgins' conversations with activists and Arabic speakers on Twitter, the video shows a group of secular Free Syrian Army troops being trained by the Al Farouq brigade, in an effort organised by the Kataeb al-Fajer faction.

This group appears to be called the "Dawn of Islam" Brigade, a coalition founded in late December.

This group in turn appears to be part of a larger effort to unify the Islamic brigades in the south and ally them with the Free Syrian Army --- with the exclusion of the most extreme groups like Jabhat al Nusra. Zilal, an activist associated with the CFDPC, offers insight:



http://www.enduringamerica.com/home/2013/2/13/syria-analysis-a-new-insurgent-alliance-with-new-weapons-is.html?SSScrollPosition=0

DuHasst
02-13-2013, 01:00 PM
Could anyone give an estimation of the troops that SAA has and the various FSA groups have? What about Kurds?


KNC (Kurdish National Council - supported by Iraqi Kurdistan president Barzani and his KDP party) decided to join opposition umbrella Syrian National Coalition

Seems like Kurds smelled something in the air...

Bloo
02-13-2013, 01:09 PM
Could anyone give an estimation of the troops that SAA has and the various FSA groups have? What about Kurds?



Seems like Kurds smelled something in the air...

My own blind speculation is ~100,000 Syrian Army/Iranians/Hezzi's/Iraqi Shia's vs. ~75,000-100,000 FSA/Foreign Fighters

DuHasst
02-13-2013, 01:35 PM
My own blind speculation is ~100,000 Syrian Army/Iranians/Hezzi's/Iraqi Shia's vs. ~75,000-100,000 FSA/Foreign Fighters

My thought was 150.000~200.000 in the Assad side including Sahiba/Hezzies/Iranians and 50.000~70.000 FSA. However if your numbers
are closer to reality the clock is ticking faster than we thought for Assad...

Surenas
02-13-2013, 01:39 PM
My own blind speculation is ~100,000 Syrian Army/Iranians/Hezzi's/Iraqi Shia's vs. ~75,000-100,000 FSA/Foreign Fighters

AFAIK, there are no Iranian troops.

kalerab
02-13-2013, 01:57 PM
Could anyone give an estimation of the troops that SAA has and the various FSA groups have? What about Kurds?



Seems like Kurds smelled something in the air...

YPG has 8 brigades and Salih Muslim claims they are 10,000 strong. Than there are non-PYD militias which are much smaller.

Stuja
02-13-2013, 02:30 PM
AFAIK, there are no Iranian troops.
Haven't we seen enough evidence of iranian boots on the ground ?! :p surenas u really think there are as much rebels as people on here claim ?

Hisroyalhighness
02-13-2013, 08:01 PM
A far more detailed article:
‘No Warplanes’ for Syria Says Russian Arms Sales Boss (http://en.rian.ru/world/20130213/179443688.html)


MOSCOW, February 13 (RIA Novosti) - Russia’s state-run arms dealer Rosoboronexport is supplying air-defense missile systems and maintenance and servicing equipment to Syria but not combat aircraft, the company's director Anatoly Isaikin said on Wednesday.

Russia and Syria have previously signed a contract for delivery to Damascus of Yak-130 Mitten jet trainers, but it has been suspended, he added.

The company still has some other outstanding contracts with Syria, Isaikin said, but did not provide any details, citing commercial confidentiality. Syria is the 13th or 14th largest buyer of Russian arms, he said, without elaborating.

Russia and the United States were involved in a diplomatic war of words last year over Moscow's arms sales to Syria, after Washington accused Russia of supplying attack helicopters to the al-Assad regime. Moscow denied those accusations, claiming it was merely returning equipment overhauled as part of long-standing contracts with Syria, which is locked in a bitter civil war between the government and Islamist rebels.

In July, US lawmakers passed a bill breaking off contracts between the Pentagon and Rosoboronexport, which they claimed was "arming the oppressive Syrian regime,” the House of Representatives said on its website. That bill, introduced by Democrat Congressman Jim Moran, was passed by an overwhelming 407-5 vote and was attached to the 2013 US military budget.

According to US lawmakers, Rosoboronexport supplied nearly $1 billion worth of arms to Syria in 2011, including high-explosives, mortars, sniper rifles, ammunition and attack helicopters which could have been used by Assad’s forces to kill civilians.

Isaikin said a $4.5 billion arms contract Russia signed with Iraq in 2012 remains intact but has "yet to go into force." Cooperation with Iran continues and Russia has resumed dealings with Libya, Isaikin said, adding it has not lost a single contract with Egypt.

He also claimed a Russian-US follow-on contract for the delivery of 12 Mi-171 helicopters to Afghanistan will be carried out, despite the US Congress’ recommendations against cooperation with Rosoboronexport.

The US Senate passed the Cornyn amendment in December, barring the use of American budget funds to purchase goods - including helicopters for Afghanistan - from Rosoboronexport. Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov warned at the time that the measure might affect the Afghan helicopter deal.

Rosoboronexport was subject to US sanctions from 2006 to 2010 for allegedly providing nations including Iran and Syria with equipment that could be used to develop weapons of mass destruction.
Russia signed a total of 1,309 arms contracts with 65 countries worth $17.6 billion (http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20130213/179446381/Russia-Signs-Record-176-Bln-in-Arms-Contracts-in-2012--------.html)in 2012, 150 percent more than in 2011 in terms of monetary value, Isaikin said on Wednesday.

Russia's Federal Military-Technical Cooperation Service (FSMTC) said in January Moscow sold a record $15.16 billion worth of arms in 2012, while expanding its foreign client list.

India is the leading purchaser of Russian arms, with Myanmar, Vietnam, Venezuela and Middle East countries also among the Russian defense industry's main clients. Russia's expanded list of its clients in 2012 included Afghanistan, Ghana, Oman, and Tanzania.

Siempre_Leal
02-13-2013, 08:14 PM
SAA Air Strikes & Artillery Bombard SouthEast Of Damascus



AMMAN (*******) - President Bashar al-Assad's forces bombarded the southeast of Damascus with air strikes and artillery on Wednesday to try and dislodge rebel fighters who have gained a foothold in the Syrian capital, opposition activists said.
A Middle East diplomat following the military situation described battles in and around Damascus as a "major engagement", with fighting going back and forth between the two sides.


http://news.yahoo.com/syrian-air-falls-assad-forces-under-pressure-025325553.html

Camera
02-13-2013, 08:19 PM
Protesters block Syria-bound oil trucksFebruary

14, 2013 01:26 AMBy Antoine Amrieh (http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Antoine-Amrieh.ashx), Mohammed Zaatari (http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Mohammed-Zaatari.ashx)

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Protesters in Arida were joined by Akkar MP Mouin Merhebi, from the Future Movement, as well as a representative of MP Khaled Daher.


“We cannot allow any product that is used to kill the unarmed Syrian people to enter [Syria], particularly diesel,” Merhebi told reporters.

The lawmaker said that the Cabinet of Prime Minister Najib Mikati, which he called the Cabinet of President Bashar Assad, was supporting the Syrian regime in committing massacres against its own people.

“We put this issue at the disposal of the United Nations, the Arab League and international organizations,” Merhebi added. The roads were reopened in the afternoon.

Read more: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Local-News/2013/Feb-14/206392-protesters-block-syria-bound-oil-trucks.ashx#ixzz2KpP8DekI
(The Daily Star :: Lebanon News :: http://www.dailystar.com.lb)

Camera
02-13-2013, 08:32 PM
US working to convince Assad to go: Kerry
WASHINGTON - Agence France-Presse

Washington aims to change Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's belief that he can hang onto power and accept "the inevitability" of his departure, Secretary of State John Kerry said Tuesday.

"We need to address the question of President Assad's calculation currently," Kerry told reporters. "I believe there are additional things that can be done to change his current perception." The new topUS (http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tag/America) diplomat said he would not go into specifics in public, but has a "good sense" of possible proposals.

Speaking after talks with Jordanian Foreign Minister Nasser Judeh, Kerry said he was convinced there was a certain "inevitability" given the current state of the conflict.

"Now, that hasn't sunk into him yet, obviously," Kerry added.

CONTINUED: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/us-working-to-convince-assad-to-go-kerry-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=41094&NewsCatID=352

Laker1
02-13-2013, 09:27 PM
US working to convince Assad to go: Kerry


WASHINGTON - Agence France-Presse

Washington aims to change Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's belief that he can hang onto power and accept "the inevitability" of his departure, Secretary of State John Kerry said Tuesday.

"We need to address the question of President Assad's calculation currently," Kerry told reporters. "I believe there are additional things that can be done to change his current perception." The new topUS (http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tag/America) diplomat said he would not go into specifics in public, but has a "good sense" of possible proposals.

Speaking after talks with Jordanian Foreign Minister Nasser Judeh, Kerry said he was convinced there was a certain "inevitability" given the current state of the conflict.

"Now, that hasn't sunk into him yet, obviously," Kerry added.

CONTINUED: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/us-working-to-convince-assad-to-go-kerry-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=41094&NewsCatID=352
And he will go...

ISNJH
02-13-2013, 11:35 PM
http://jordantimes.com/share-content/fresh-off-of-airport-victory-syrian-defectors-to-form-first-air-squadron.html


MAFRAQ — Fresh off the capture of a strategic military airport, Syrian rebels say they are set to form their first air squadron in a bid to add air power to the armed resistance’s arsenal.
According to rebel sources, Syrian air force defectors have agreed to return to the country to form the resistance’s first “air squadron” in a bid to operate a fleet of fighter jets reportedly seized by the Free Syrian Army (FSA) on Tuesday.
Some 35 former air force officers, pilots and technicians currently residing in Jordan and Turkey are set to form the squadron, defectors say, which is to operate under the umbrella of the FSA and the Higher Syrian Military Council.
“We have been waiting for months to return to Syria and serve the revolution,” said Abu Khaled Al Dimashqi, a 45-year-old former Syrian air force major general currently residing in Jordan.
“We believe this is our chance.”
Syrian air force defectors said the decision came hours after the FSA’s capture of Al Jarah military airport on the outskirts of Aleppo on Tuesday, seizing in the process some three-dozen aircraft and fighter jet.
However, Syrian air force defectors have raised doubts over the operational condition of the recently seized fleet — which reportedly consists of MiG-17 and L-39 fighter jets — and have reportedly dispatched a team of technicians to Aleppo to run “maintenance and tests” on the aircraft.
“We have seen photos and video of these jets, but only God knows if they can actually fly,” Abu Mohammed, a 34-year-old fighter jet pilot who defected to Jordan in early December, said from a rebel safehouse in the Jordanian border city of Mafraq.
“We need to get experts into the airport before we can get too excited.”

Impartial Bias
02-13-2013, 11:57 PM
http://jordantimes.com/share-content/fresh-off-of-airport-victory-syrian-defectors-to-form-first-air-squadron.html
How many of those aircraft are actually serviceable though, and even if they are serviceable, do they have the logistic capacity to field them?
I remember in the video of the capture of Al Jarah there is an FSA fighter shown putting holes through an L-39 with a PKM, only to have the aircraft and the airport captured 5 minutes later. The L-39 the FSA guy was shooting at looked serviceable, especially considering it was in an open hangar. From what I've seen on camera, most of the other aircraft at the base, and especially those outside, all looked derelict and nowhere near airworthy.

Does anyone have additional information about the aircraft captured at Al Jarah?

gresh
02-14-2013, 12:07 AM
A lawyer from my neck of the woods died fighting for the FSA in Aleppo.


A man by the name of Mohammed Mehriz was martyred in Syria a few days ago. He was shot by a regime sniper during battle. This man was not Syrian, he was EGYPTIAN. He was a successful lawyer who lived in the city of ELK GROVE, CA. This is the very city that I currently live in right now. Mohammed couldn't bear to continue to watch the news and youtube videos of Syrian children, men, and women being slaughtered by a criminal regime as the world watches in SILENCE. He decided to leave behind his 4 year old daughter Nada and his wife Shayma to fight with the Free Syrian Army in Aleppo to help the Syrian people gain their freedom by taking down the brutal Assad regime. Mohammed Mehriz you are my HERO, I will never forget what you did to support our cause. I will never forget your bravery. To sacrifice everything for someone else is the ultimate sacrifice. inshAllah you are a martyr in the highest heavens. May Allah (SWT) bless your family and may their reward (Ajer) be great.
https://www.facebook.com/Walk4ChildrenOfSyria

Surenas
02-14-2013, 01:29 AM
Quds Force General killed in Syria


Lebanon’s al-Manar TV today reported that a senior commander of IRGC was killed in recent days in Syria. The television channel run by the Hezbollah did not disclose the name of the slain commander. Iran’s pro-government news website mashreghnews.ir, however, identified the Iranian officer as IRGC Brig. Gen. Hassan Shateri, a Quds Force commander. The website said that the general was in charge of an Iranian agency responsible for “rebuilding Lebanon.”

Mashreghnews.ir said Quds Force Commander Maj. Gen. Qasem Soleimani visited Shateri's family to express his condolences.

This is the first time a senior Iranian commander is killed in Syria. The Quds Force is responsible for IRGC’s extraterritorial operations. The organization has also been accused of terrorist activities outside Iran. Its commander, Gen. Qasemi, reports directly to Ayatollah Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader.

http://www.uskowioniran.com/2013/02/quds-force-general-killed-in-syria.html

Edit: already posted in a new topic.

AgentKoba37
02-14-2013, 02:08 AM
Moscow is continuing its export of military hardware to the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, state arms exporter Rosonboronexport director Anatoly Isaikin confirmed Wednesday.
"We are continuing to carry out our obligations on contracts for the delivery of military hardware," Isaikin told reporters at a news conference in Moscow, adding there were no attack weapons among the hardware, such as helicopters or planes.
There were, he said, anti-missile air defense systems being sent to Assad"s forces – a shipment which he insisted did not violate any resolutions by the United Nations Security Council, or international laws.


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/wap/Item.aspx?type=0&item=165199

kalerab
02-14-2013, 04:22 AM
Quds Force General killed in Syria



http://www.uskowioniran.com/2013/02/quds-force-general-killed-in-syria.html

Edit: already posted in a new topic.

Manar is usually right at this, they were first who knew who died in that Damascus bombing as well.

Surenas
02-14-2013, 04:25 AM
Manar is usually right at this, they were first who knew who died in that Damascus bombing as well.

True. It has also been confirmed by Iranian news agencies, and they mentioned that his funeral would be held today, so I expect to see some pictures this afternoon.

Camera
02-14-2013, 05:34 AM
'Tehran removing key intel material from Damascus'

By ARIEL BEN SOLOMON
02/14/2013 02:50




Intelligence said to include secret agreements, minutes of meetings reports relating to Iran’s support of Hezbollah.

Sources in the Syrian opposition claim that Iran has already begun transferring its diplomatic and intelligence archives from Syria, according to the Iraqi paper Azzaman on Monday.

The intelligence is said to include secret agreements between Tehran and Damascus, minutes of meetings of senior officials and reports relating to Iran’s support of Hezbollah from Syria.

Fearing the fall of Syrian President Bashar Assad, and that the information could be seized and used against it in international forums or serve as a justification for a future attack on Tehran, the Iranian leadership decided to transfer the documents to Tehran, according to the paper.

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However, given that the report originates from the opposition, some say its validity should be confirmed in light of the opposition agenda to make Assad look like he is about to fall and strengthen their side.

http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=303217

If true, these are more bad news for Assad.

Laworkerbee
02-14-2013, 05:38 AM
A lawyer from my neck of the woods died fighting for the FSA in Aleppo.

He was an Egyptian whose sister lives in Elk Grove, he wasn't an American but another loser without a future seeking war as an alternative.

Ayash
02-14-2013, 05:40 AM
The problem is, I've never seen Jabhat Al Nusra post bad news. If Al-Safira is under assault and the Syrian army are trying to drive them out, there won't be any youtube videos of it. So it's a bit of an information black hole. My personal interpretation is simply that Safira IS under assault, but noones winning at the moment (the youtube videos will emerge when one side starts to gain the upper hand).

Here's a lenghty explanation of the events from the rebel POV (in arabic), up to yesterday:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzopiECDxCE

Some key details:

The regime conovoy traveling from Hama managed to enter the defense factories (adjacent to As Safirah from the west) after a battle in which both sides suffered heavy losses.

After loading up ammunition from the defense factories, the regime conovoy has attempted to reach the Aleppo Interantional Airport. Here's the interesting part: If I undersand correctly, they claim that at this point the conovoy managed to get through or around As Safirah (I'm guessing the latter) and actually came up to Tal 'Arn from the South. At this point it was stopped, resulting in the onogoing batte in that place.

To sum up: After months of regime-controled Aleppo being under siege, and just when the airport, currently the only source of supplies for the troops and pro-regime civilians therein, is seriously threatened, the SAA has mounted a dramatic effort to reinforce the city by land. Having traveled over 100kms by an alternate eastern route, pushing through rebel defenses and relieving besieged bases along the way, the conovoy is now within 10km of its target. If it manages to reach the airport and the city at this crucial point, opening a supply route and dooming the rebel effort to take the airport, it could mark a turning point in the battle of Aleppo.

Camera
02-14-2013, 05:44 AM
Here's a lenghty explanation of the events from the rebel POV (in arabic), up to yesterday:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzopiECDxCE

Some key details:

The regime conovoy traveling from Hama managed to enter the defense factories (adjacent to As Safirah from the west) after a battle in which both sides suffered heavy losses.

After loading up ammunition from the defense factories, the regime conovoy has attempted to reach the Aleppo Interantional Airport. Here's the interesting part: If I undersand correctly, they claim that at this point the conovoy managed to get through or around As Safirah (I'm guessing the latter) and actually came up to Tal 'Arn from the South. At this point it was stopped, resulting in the onogoing batte in that place.

To sum up: After months of regime-controled Aleppo being under siege, and just when the airport, currently the ony source of supplies for the troops and pro-regime civilians therein, is seriously threatened, the SAA has mounted a dramatic effort to reinforce the city by land. Having traveled over 100kms by an alternate eastern route, pushing through rebel defenses and relieving besieged bases along the way, the conovoy is now within 10km of its target. If it manages to reach the airport and the city at this crucial point, opening a supply route and dooming the rebel effort to take the airport, it could mark a turning point in the battle of Aleppo.

Interesting. This must be a big convoy.

Camera
02-14-2013, 06:03 AM
Turkey seizes huge arms cache to SyriaANKARA
Ankara attempts to silence observers who say it is arming Syrian opposition militants, claiming to have seized arms destined for the Arab republic
Hundreds of rifles, shotguns and bullets that were to be sent from Turkey to violence-plagued Syria have been seized over the last month by Turkish security forces, Customs and Trade Minister Hayati Yazıcı said yesterday.

Yazıcı’s statements came in response to national and international criticism on Turkey’s “reluctance” to control the arms flow to Syria and the accusation that Turkey is responsible for supplying arms to Syrian rebels.

Some 110 air guns, 51 shotguns, 86 rifle scopes, 86 rifle clips, 104 gun clips and 50,375 bullets were seized in five operations conducted in the last week of January, Yazıcı told daily Hürriyet.

Cars searched in the operation all carried Syrian plates.

There was a significant increase in the number of seized arms compared to 2012. A total of 16 shotguns, four automatic rifles, five hunting rifles, two grenades and 2,186 bullets were captured at the Syrian border last year, according to official data provided by Yazıcı.

Refuting claims that Turkey was arming the opposition to Damascus, Yazıcı said Turkey had been conducting controls on all 10 border gates to stop illegal arms-trafficking in the region and had been taking necessary measures to protect Turkish citizens’ lives and provide humanitarian help to the Syrian people, “who are under attack from the Bashar al-Assad regime.”

(…)

According to the minister, the $2.5 billion trade capacity between Turkey and Syria has fallen to $560 million since the civil war began in the country.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-seizes-huge-arms-cache-to-syria.aspx?pageID=238&nID=41078&NewsCatID=338

Flamming_Python
02-14-2013, 06:03 AM
He was an Egyptian whose sister lives in Elk Grove, he wasn't an American but another loser without a future seeking war as an alternative.

So another foreigner who went to join the FSA. Swell.

ZapB
02-14-2013, 06:47 AM
So another foreigner who went to join the FSA. Swell.

I believe the proper & legal term is foreign jihadi unlawful combatant (aka 'islamic terrorist without rights').

At least that's how USA calls (and treats) Durka-Durkas doing jihadi missionary trips around the globe...

tanks_alot
02-14-2013, 06:59 AM
I believe the proper & legal term is foreign jihadi unlawful combatant (aka 'islamic terrorist without rights').

At least that's how USA calls (and treats) Durka-Durkas doing jihadi missionary trips around the globe...

As opposed to the Hezzis, Iranians and Iraqi Shiites?

This is turning into the Middle Eastern version of the Spanish civil war.

Flamming_Python
02-14-2013, 07:04 AM
I believe the proper & legal term is foreign jihadi unlawful combatant (aka 'islamic terrorist without rights').

At least that's how USA calls (and treats) Durka-Durkas doing jihadi missionary trips around the globe...

Yep, together the customary paragraph of outrage about how he can no longer stand on the sidelines while the Syrian army is BBQing babies, etc...

Flamming_Python
02-14-2013, 07:05 AM
As opposed to the Hezzis, Iranians and Iraqi Shiites?

This is turning into the Middle Eastern version of the Spanish civil war.

Don't see any of them around, all I hear is just some stories, etc...
Not sure they are there in any significant numbers.

You would think that with these dozens of thousands of Hezbollah, Iranians, allied militias, etc... fighting on the side of the Syrian army - that they would at least be able to stop the military bases and airports falling.

But I very much think that the foreign support and manpower is on the side of the FSA actually.

tanks_alot
02-14-2013, 07:13 AM
Don't see any of them around, all I hear is just some stories, etc...
Not sure they are there in any significant numbers.

You would think that with these dozens of thousands of Hezbollah, Iranians, allied militias, etc... fighting on the side of the Syrian army - that they would at least be able to stop the military bases and airports falling.

But I very much think that the foreign support and manpower is on the side of the FSA actually.

Not really, since you're biased, you're trying to portray it in a manner that fits your agenda, but in reality we've been hearing about quite a few Hezzis buried, after being "martyred while performing their Jihadic duty" (thier phrasing, not mine) and a high ranking IRGC commander, just got offed yesterday.

You're hoping Assad's side will win, because it's supposedly in Russia's interests, but fact of the matter is, that this civil war is attracting the worst kind of scum, on both sides.

Laker1
02-14-2013, 07:17 AM
Don't see any of them around, all I hear is just some stories, etc...
Not sure they are there in any significant numbers.

You would think that with these dozens of thousands of Hezbollah, Iranians, allied militias, etc... fighting on the side of the Syrian army - that they would at least be able to stop the military bases and airports falling.

But I very much think that the foreign support and manpower is on the side of the FSA actually.

In not such a big amount ,but they fight in Syria..you also can read about Hezbollah terrorists that were buried and the reason for the death was a "jihadist mission". They don't want to say officially that they fight in Syria.

Flamming_Python
02-14-2013, 07:25 AM
Not really, since you're biased, you're trying to portray it in a manner that fits your agenda, but in reality we've been hearing about quite a few Hezzis buried, after being "martyred while performing their Jihadic duty" (thier phrasing, not mine) and a high ranking IRGC commander, just got offed yesterday.

You're hoping Assad's side will win, because it's supposedly in Russia's interests, but fact of the matter is, that this civil war is attracting the worst kind of scum, on both sides.
I am biased, and I am hoping that Assad will win - not because it's in Russia's interests (I would have the same position regardless of whether Russia was officially pro or anti Assad), or even because many Russians live there (although that also concerns me), but because I don't want to see this country dismantled and turned into a cesspool by some people whose only concern is rivalry with Iran or 'rightful vengeance' for Israel or Lebanon.

I haven't seen any photos of Iranian or Hezbollah fighters, that's what I'm trying to say. I haven't heard of their significance in any battles either, although perhaps I'm just not keeping up to date (and admittedly, I haven't seen so many photos either).
This leads me to the conclusion that their presence is wildly overstated.


In not such a big amount ,but they fight in Syria..you also can read about Hezbollah terrorists that were buried and the reason for the death was a "jihadist mission". They don't want to say officially that they fight in Syria.

Yeah, and that's all I heard about them. Some story about being buried after their jihadist mission.
As for the Iranians - just a couple of stories about buses of Iranian pilgrims (who might not be actual pilgrims) being detained or what not.

kalerab
02-14-2013, 07:28 AM
I am biased, and I am hoping that Assad will win - not because it's in Russia's interests, but because I don't want to see this country dismantled and turned into a cesspool by some people who's only concern is rivalry with Iran or 'rightful vengeance' for Israel or Lebanon.

I haven't seen any photos of Iranian or Hezbollah fighters, that's what I'm trying to say. I haven't heard of their significance in any battles either, although perhaps I'm just not keeping up to date (and admittedly, I haven't seen so many photos either).
This leads me to the conclusion that their presence is wildly overstated.

Hezbollah is burying their militiamen in Bekkaa every second day. Sure, by performing jihadi duty they can mean also choking on falafel (you'd be surprised how often that happens) but I doubt that is where majority comes from. In Qusayr and Homs they are heavily involved anyway, wear yellow ribbons.

Laker1
02-14-2013, 07:28 AM
I am biased, and I am hoping that Assad will win - not because it's in Russia's interests, but because I don't want to see this country dismantled and turned into a cesspool by some people who's only concern is rivalry with Iran or 'rightful vengeance' for Israel or Lebanon.

I haven't seen any photos of Iranian or Hezbollah fighters, that's what I'm trying to say. I haven't heard of their significance in any battles either, although perhaps I'm just not keeping up to date (and admittedly, I haven't seen so many photos either).
This leads me to the conclusion that their presence is wildly overstated.



Yeah, and that's all I heard about them. Some story about being buried after their jihadist mission.
The truth is probably in the middle..not so much fighters like some say but there are terrorists from Hezbollah that fight..here is a link about a Hezbollah terrorist that was killed in Syria:

http://www.smh.com.au/world/hezbollah-commander-killed-while-on-jihad-duties-in-syria-20121003-26zi8.html

Flamming_Python
02-14-2013, 07:30 AM
Hezbollah is burying their militiamen in Bekkaa every second day. Sure, by performing jihadi duty they can mean also choking on falafel (you'd be surprised how often that happens) but I doubt that is where majority comes from. In Qusayr and Homs they are heavily involved anyway, wear yellow ribbons.

Do you have any photos of these fighters, and some sources about the yellow ribbons?

Camera
02-14-2013, 07:40 AM
The IRGC and the Hezbollah terrorists keep a lower profile, that's all. The Shabiha terrorists were filmed in many occasions.

gilgoul
02-14-2013, 07:43 AM
Do you have any photos of these fighters, and some sources about the yellow ribbons?


just for you:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9615925/Hizbollah-launching-rocket-attacks-into-Syria.html


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/161404#.URzNglpp5bs

but google is your friend

Surenas
02-14-2013, 07:48 AM
There are, as far I know, no IRGC fighters in Syria. I don't know how many times I've to repeat myself. There are IRGC-advisors, but no fighters.

Camera
02-14-2013, 07:53 AM
There are, as far I know, no IRGC fighters in Syria. I don't know how many times I've to repeat myself. There are IRGC-advisors, but no fighters.

They are not to provide advises on peaceful matters.

Climber
02-14-2013, 07:55 AM
There are, as far I know, no IRGC fighters in Syria. I don't know how many times I've to repeat myself. There are IRGC-advisors, but no fighters.

Just because you dont know.

Surenas
02-14-2013, 07:55 AM
They are not to provide advises on peaceful matters.

That wouldn't make them fighters.

Surenas
02-14-2013, 07:56 AM
Just because you dont know.

I know because there is no evidence.

Camera
02-14-2013, 08:01 AM
That wouldn't make them fighters.

They support actively the war effort, so there's no much difference.

ZapB
02-14-2013, 08:02 AM
As opposed to the Hezzis, Iranians and Iraqi Shiites?

This is turning into the Middle Eastern version of the Spanish civil war.
Why are you assuming that I think those do not fall into the same "foreign combatant" group as-well? Of course they do, they are technically the same shyt. Maybe this war had something to do with freedom & democracy at the start, but now it's mostly a (sunni islamic) revolution & (shia) counter-revolution thing.

But in terms of global jihad (ie. 'religious supremacy fight'), sunni Durka militancy clearly has a big lead on the shia one.

Surenas
02-14-2013, 08:03 AM
They support actively the war effort, so there's no much difference.

Yes, there is, and I'm not planning to start a semantic discussion.

Camera
02-14-2013, 08:08 AM
Yes, there is, and I'm not planning to start a semantic discussion.

Hezbollah is fighting there and Hezbollah is commanded by the IRGC/Quds force. They might be all called 'advisers', but they are involved at least in commanding positions.

kalerab
02-14-2013, 08:13 AM
Do you have any photos of these fighters, and some sources about the yellow ribbons?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A0G49DSCQAEt-nL.jpg

Flamming_Python
02-14-2013, 08:18 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A0G49DSCQAEt-nL.jpg

Well a group photo somewhere. At least it's something.

Big Lebowski
02-14-2013, 08:36 AM
Well a group photo somewhere. At least it's something.
Well the bagground tells us it is Aleppo.

http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/21/gallery/

kalerab
02-14-2013, 09:20 AM
How to Start a Battalion (in Five Easy Lessons)

Ghaith Abdul-Ahad reports from Syria


In the cramped living room of a run-down flat near the Aleppo frontline, two Syrian rebels sat opposite each other. The one on the left was stout, broad-shouldered, with a neat beard that looked as though it had been outlined in sharp pencil around his throat and cheeks. His shirt and trousers were immaculately pressed and he wore brand-new military webbing – the expensive Turkish kind, not the Syrian knock-off. The rebel sitting opposite him was younger, gaunt and tired-looking. His hands were filthy and his trousers caked in mud and diesel.

The flat had once belonged to an old lady. Traces of a domestic life that had long ceased to exist were scattered around the room and mingled with the possessions of the new occupiers. A mother of pearl ashtray sat next to a pile of walkie-talkies. Small china figurines stood on top of the TV next to a box of cartridges. Guns and ammunition lay on the rickety wooden chairs and a calendar showing faded landscapes hung on the wall. In the bedroom next door clothes were piled on the bed next to crates of ammunition. The stout rebel was shifty, on edge and keen to finish what he came to say and leave quickly. The other looked like a man waiting for a disaster to unfold.

But like a couple trying to conduct the business of their divorce with civility they spent a long time on pleasantries: each asked the other about his village and praised the courage and strength of his people. Outside a machine gun fired relentlessly down the street, interrupted only by the occasional thud of a mortar shell.

‘I am taking my cousins away from the front,’ the stout man finally said.

‘Why?’ the young rebel whined, as if one of the mortar shells had smacked him in the head. ‘Did we do anything wrong? Didn’t we feed them properly? Didn’t they get their daily rations? Whatever ammunition we get we divide equally: tell me what we did wrong.’

‘No, no, nothing wrong – but you seem not to have any work here.’

‘But this is an important defensive position,’ the young rebel pleaded. ‘All of Aleppo depends on this hill. If you go, two frontline posts will be left empty. They’ll be able to skirt around us.’

‘I’m sure you’ll take care of it. Allah bless your men, they’re very good.’

‘Where will you go?’

‘A very good man, a seeker of good deeds – he is from our town but he lives in the Gulf – told me he would fund my new battalion. He says he will pay for our ammunition and we get to keep all the spoils of the fighting. We just have to supply him with videos.’

‘But why would he do that? What’s he getting in return?’

‘He wants to appease God, and he wants us to give him videos of all our operations. That’s all – just YouTube videos.’

‘So he can get more money.’

‘Well, that’s up to him.’



http://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n04/ghaith-abdul-ahad/how-to-start-a-battalion-in-five-easy-lessons

An excellent read that gives you insight about how opposition is and especially was getting money and weapons, about western support and rise of jihadists.

ImpNavigator
02-14-2013, 09:40 AM
How to Start a Battalion (in Five Easy Lessons)
Ghaith Abdul-Ahad reports from Syria

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n04/ghaith-abdul-ahad/how-to-start-a-battalion-in-five-easy-lessons

An excellent read that gives you insight about how opposition is and especially was getting money and weapons, about western support and rise of jihadists.

Thanks, indeed very interesting read.

Camera
02-14-2013, 10:07 AM
How to Start a Battalion (in Five Easy Lessons)

Ghaith Abdul-Ahad reports from Syria



http://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n04/ghaith-abdul-ahad/how-to-start-a-battalion-in-five-easy-lessons

An excellent read that gives you insight about how opposition is and especially was getting money and weapons, about western support and rise of jihadists.

Thanks for posting, very interesting. It confirms what we understood long ago.

ImpNavigator
02-14-2013, 11:11 AM
According source of Interfax news agency, Russia delivered new batch of the Pantsir-S1 short-range anti-aircraft systems to the Syria at the beginning of this year.
http://www.interfax.ru/news.asp?id=290443 (in Russian)

Camera
02-14-2013, 01:45 PM
Le Monde reports that the rebels shot down 2 military aircraft today in the Idlib region.

Genotype
02-14-2013, 02:10 PM
Anyone got a good source of news about the battle in al-Shaddada?

I can't find much more than the BBC article.

ImpNavigator
02-14-2013, 02:14 PM
Le Monde reports that the rebels shot down 2 military aircraft today in the Idlib region.

At the moment, I found a video confirmation only one lost - Su-22.

geolocator
02-14-2013, 02:19 PM
Some digest of recent articles from ria.ru about Russian weapons in Syria

MOSCOW, February 13 (RIA Novosti) - Russia’s state-run arms dealer Rosoboronexport is supplying air-defense missile systems and maintenance and servicing equipment to Syria but not combat aircraft, the company's director Anatoly Isaikin said on Wednesday.
Russia and Syria have previously signed a contract for delivery to Damascus of Yak-130 Mitten jet trainers, but it has been suspended, he added.



The company still has some other outstanding contracts with Syria, Isaikin said, but did not provide any details, citing commercial confidentiality.

No detriment for business.

Isaikin said a $4.5 billion arms contract Russia signed with Iraq in 2012 remains intact but has "yet to go into force." Cooperation with Iran continues and Russia has resumed dealings with Libya, Isaikin said, adding it has not lost a single contract with Egypt.


He also claimed a Russian-US follow-on contract for the delivery of 12 Mi-171 helicopters to Afghanistan will be carried out, despite the US Congress’ recommendations against cooperation with Rosoboronexport.

Business is thriving without Syria as customers know that they'll get weapons in any case.

Russia signed a total of 1,309 arms contracts with 65 countries worth $17.6 billion (http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20130213/179446381/Russia-Signs-Record-176-Bln-in-Arms-Contracts-in-2012--------.html)in 2012, 150 percent more than in 2011 in terms of monetary value, Isaikin said on Wednesday.

http://en.ria.ru/world/20130213/179443688/No-Warplanes-for-Syria-Says-Russian-Arms-Sales-Boss.html

Camera
02-14-2013, 04:11 PM
Anyone got a good source of news about the battle in al-Shaddada?

I can't find much more than the BBC article.

It was reportedly captured:


Syrian rebels capture eastern oil field

Opposition forces battle President Bashar Assad forces in Aleppo’s airport for third consecutive day


BEIRUT (AP) — Syrian rebels captured most of an oil field in the energy-rich northeast on Thursday, the latest in a string of strategic conquests this week that also included a dam and the defenses around a major airport.

The opposition fighters trying to oust authoritarian President Bashar Assad also captured the town of Shadadah, near the Jbeysa oil field in hotly contested Hasaka province, according to Rami Abdul-Rahman, head of the Britain-based activist group Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

The oil field is in an energy-rich area along Syria’s border with Iraq. Abdul-Rahman said the rebels captured about 70 percent of the oil field but there was still sporadic gunfire in the area.


Opposition fighters were also battling regime forces for the third straight day for control of the main airport in the northern city of Aleppo.

On Wednesday, the rebels knocked down army defenses and closed in on the country’s second largest airport in Aleppo, Syria’s main commercial hub.

CONTINUED: http://www.timesofisrael.com/syrian-rebels-capture-eastern-oil-field/

prince99x
02-14-2013, 04:20 PM
They support actively the war effort, so there's no much difference.No much difference are u kidding ?.If right then Syria is being fought by 100+ country.

tanks_alot
02-14-2013, 04:27 PM
No much difference are u kidding ?.If right then Syria is being fought by 100+ country.

There's a difference between foreigners volunteering of their own volition and a country sending it's elite military force.

Camera
02-14-2013, 04:42 PM
No much difference are u kidding ?.If right then Syria is being fought by 100+ country.

Hezbollah, who some consider as the best fighters in Syria, are commanded by the Quds Force. If this is not a participation to the warfare, I don't know what it is.

Otherwise, what people say about the developments of the last days with so many bad news for Assad's supporters?

geolocator
02-14-2013, 05:08 PM
MOSCOW, February 13 (RIA Novosti) – The United States is shifting toward Russia's position on Syria, in fear of a repeat of the "Afghan scenario" with an Islamist regime coming to power there, a senior Russian lawmaker said on Wednesday.
“There is one moment in which our American friends are starting to get closer to our position… In particular, they have acknowledged that the fall of Syria’s administraton could unleash the most unfavorable consequences,” State Duma Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Alexei Pushkov told journalists on Wednesday.
“The Americans have understood that if everything collapses, we will have another Afghanistan,” Pushkov said, but did not support his claim with any evidence for his claim.
The rebel groups in Syria are supported by radical Islamist forces linked to international terrorist organizations, Pushkov said, adding this poses a danger to Christians, Shiites and other minorities in Syria.
“That’s why I think it is not about [Russia] shifting its positions, but it is about the West getting closer to recognizing our arguments,” Pushkov said.
He reiterated that Russia, which remains a staunch ally of Syria, will not agree to setting President Bashar al-Assad’s resignation as a precondition for peace talks.
“The Americans want us to use our pressure to oust Assad. I think we will not accept this, because we believe this is wrong. But we can use our influence to start the negotiation process, we are ready for this,” Pushkov said.

http://en.ria.ru/russia/20130213/179444737/US-Shifts-Syria-Stance-as-Afghan-Scenario-Unfolds---Deputy.html

themacedonian
02-14-2013, 05:26 PM
How to Start a Battalion (in Five Easy Lessons)

Ghaith Abdul-Ahad reports from Syria



http://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n04/ghaith-abdul-ahad/how-to-start-a-battalion-in-five-easy-lessons

An excellent read that gives you insight about how opposition is and especially was getting money and weapons, about western support and rise of jihadists.

Very informative. Thank you.

Camera
02-14-2013, 06:20 PM
Lebanon's Hariri says Syria's Assad fall 'inevitable'

Reuter$
02/14/2013 22:11

BEIRUT - Lebanese opposition leader Saad al-Hariri predicted on Thursday the downfall of Syrian President Bashar Assad, whom he accuses of assassinating his father in a massive bomb attack in 2005.

"The regime of Bashar al-Assad will inevitably go down. And its collapse will be loud not only in Syria but across the Arab world," Hariri said, speaking by a video link from Riyadh to mark the eight anniversary of his father's assassination.

Rafik al-Hariri, a former prime minister of Lebanon, was killed by an explosion detonated near his motorcade in Beirut.

http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=303339

Siempre_Leal
02-14-2013, 06:24 PM
Britain Warns Of Syria Jihadist Threat To Europe



LONDON: The longer Syria's conflict goes on, the greater the risk it will breed a new generation of battle-hardened militants who will pose a threat to Britain and other countries in Europe, British Foreign Secretary William Hague said on Thursday.


Hague aimed his comments at Russia, which has had its own problems with attacks by Islamist militants, and has along with China repeatedly blocked U.N. Security Council action against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.



http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2013/Feb-14/206525-britain-warns-of-syria-jihadist-threat-to-europe.ashx#axzz2KumB70Cf

Ayash
02-14-2013, 07:09 PM
Anyone got a good source of news about the battle in al-Shaddada?

I can't find much more than the BBC article.

From SOHR facebook page:



Hasakah province: Rebel fighters from Jabhat al-Nusra have taken almost full control over the city of al-Shadadi, after violent clashes that lasted for 3 days. Sporadic gunfire can be heard coming from the area by the Military Intelligence branch of the city, it is thought that its surrounding buildings are manned by snipers. Violent clashes are taking place with the regime checkpoints in the outskirts of the city. Jabhat al-Nusra have used several suicide car bombs during the 3 days of fighting. 30 Jabhat al-Nusra fighters were killed by the clashes, 5 of them were non-Syrian fighters (they were Kuwaiti and Iraqi). No less than 100 members of the regular army and security services were also killed. There are also reports that tens of civilian workers at the Syrian oil company were killed after al-Nusra fighters took large parts of the oil fields and the residential quarters of the workers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFGhApQVnoM

geolocator
02-14-2013, 07:39 PM
Civilians were killed again.

Prés de 132 jeunes dont la majorité des tunisiens ont été tués hier, mardi 12 février 2013, à la cité syrienne d’Alep, selon notre correspondant à Sidi Bouzid, Ali Falhi.


Nearly 132 young people, the majority of Tunisians were killed yesterday, Tuesday, February 12, 2013, the Syrian city of Aleppo, according to our correspondent in Sidi Bouzid, Ali Falhi.
http://www.radioexpressfm.com/news/show/plusieurs-jeunes-tunisiens-ont-retrouve-la-mort-hier-a-alep

prince99x
02-14-2013, 09:02 PM
Civilians were killed again.http://www.radioexpressfm.com/news/show/plusieurs-jeunes-tunisiens-ont-retrouve-la-mort-hier-a-alepGod bless SAA,what a legendary stand against hell difficulties.

bionic
02-14-2013, 09:23 PM
Britain Warns Of Syria Jihadist Threat To Europe



http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2013/Feb-14/206525-britain-warns-of-syria-jihadist-threat-to-europe.ashx#axzz2KumB70Cf

I have to say this now but this Islamophobia (Jihadistphobia) is so overrated it annoys the heck out of me that they get so much attention.
Just some numbers to put this into perspective.
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/index.html



World
Deaths in millions
% of deaths


Ischaemic heart disease
7.25
12.8%


Stroke and other cerebrovascular disease
6.15
10.8%


Lower respiratory infections
3.46
6.1%


Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
3.28
5.8%


Diarrhoeal diseases
2.46
4.3%


HIV/AIDS
1.78
3.1%


Trachea, bronchus, lung cancers
1.39
2.4%


Tuberculosis
1.34
2.4%


Diabetes mellitus
1.26
2.2%


Road traffic accidents
1.21
2.1%



The NCTC numbers for 2011 speaks of only 12.533(worldwide) terror victims (0.01 millions) of which 75% are located in south Asia and the near East ( not differentiating between left, right , islamistic terror acts)

The 2011 Top 15 Countries (Deaths)

Afghanistan 3.353
Iraq 3.063
Pakistan 2.033
Somalia 1.101
Nigeria 593
India 479
Colombia 305
Thailand 238
Russia 189
Sudan 189
Philippines 188
Yemen 158
Congo 99
Norway 91 <- 77 victims of Breivik :-(
Syria 52


I think the chance of dying from contaminated horse meat is a million times higher in Britain at the moment, i don´t think they have to fear the Jihadists:lol:
Also unless they at least reach the death numbers of Road traffic accidents i don´t start to worry at all or is someone of you guys not going outside because of reckless cyclists?

Siempre_Leal
02-14-2013, 09:26 PM
I think the chance of dying from contaminated horse meat is a million times higher in Britain at the moment, i don´t think they have to fear the Jihadists:lol:
Also unless they at least reach the death numbers of Road traffic accidents i don´t start to worry at all or is someone of you guys not going outside because of reckless cyclists?

I run them over "accidently" when they get out of their bike lane.....;)

bionic
02-14-2013, 09:42 PM
I run them over "accidently" when they get out of their bike lane.....;)
I have this one for my car :lol:;-)
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=195753&d=1360892463

195753

BloodyTalon
02-14-2013, 09:56 PM
I have this one for my car :lol:;-)
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=195753&d=1360892463

195753
:lol:Reminds me of the scoring system from Death Race

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2x7gHxQYYE

bionic
02-14-2013, 10:18 PM
:lol:Reminds me of the scoring system from Death Race

Don´t wanted to derail the thread and don´t know if it is even funny but whats the deal?

We make jokes about car accidents (in russia thats even some kind of sport), we promote smoking in TV..... but we fear people on the other side of the world fighting for their freedom?
Those fearmonger they are the guys who should be jailed and held accountable for every soldier or civilian who has died because of their fearmongering.
In my eyes they are the same kind of guys like the al-Quaida guys who want to spread their hate. If you put both inside a bag and you hit them you can´t hit the wrong.

ZapB
02-15-2013, 05:30 AM
I'm ok with comparing the islamist threat with diarrhoea, but this should be done more thoroughly, because getting killed by it is only one of the negative aspects of islamism. Diarrhoea usually doesn’t threat the social structure of the host country, by spreading a violent un-democratic abusive supremacist ideology. Women doesn't become 2nd class citizens when they get diarrhoea, but they do when they catch islamism. People of all faiths and political opinions are perfectly equal under the law if they have diarrhoea, but they aren't if that law is dictated by islamism.. etc..

Flamming_Python
02-15-2013, 06:06 AM
Britain Warns Of Syria Jihadist Threat To Europe



http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2013/Feb-14/206525-britain-warns-of-syria-jihadist-threat-to-europe.ashx#axzz2KumB70Cf

Looks like they thought it would all be over by Christmas eh; a quick revolution and armed overthrow, and a new pro-Western government p-)


We make jokes about car accidents (in russia thats even some kind of sport),

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/smilies/icon_neutral.gif wut?

Flamming_Python
02-15-2013, 06:09 AM
Hezbollah, who some consider as the best fighters in Syria, are commanded by the Quds Force. If this is not a participation to the warfare, I don't know what it is.

Otherwise, what people say about the developments of the last days with so many bad news for Assad's supporters?

I'd say a lot of it is rebel propaganda; some true but embellished, some wildly exaggerated or missing certain facts, some just false
If you look at the Syrian state news agencies; they are full of success stories - except ones for the Syrian army.
Problem is that few people post them on this thread.

Who's to say what's really going on?

Camera
02-15-2013, 06:21 AM
I'd say a lot of it is rebel propaganda; some true but embellished, some wildly exaggerated or missing certain facts, some just false

And do you have any source to support this opinion?


If you look at the Syrian state news agencies; they are full of success stories - except ones for the Syrian army.
Problem is that few people post them on this thread.

Syrian state agencies are useless. They Syrians themselves used to say that 'SANA lies all the time, except for the weather predictions from time to time'.


Who's to say what's really going on?

I trust the Israeli Military Intelligence reports to the Knesset Defense Committee. They are professional and have for goal to portray the situation as accurately as possible.

jokuvaan
02-15-2013, 06:31 AM
http://yle.fi/uutiset/customs_investigate_military_shipment_to_syria_via_finland/6497594


Finnish Customs are investigating an apparent attempt to smuggle parts of an armoured personnel carrier to war-torn Syria through Finland. The shipment originated in Russia.

Flamming_Python
02-15-2013, 06:44 AM
And do you have any source to support this opinion?

Syrian state agencies are useless.

I can turn this arguement on its head - do you have any source to support this sort of opinion that you have about official Syrian sources?


They Syrians themselves used to say that 'SANA lies all the time, except for the weather predictions from time to time'.

And which Syrians are those? Here we have one on this very thread that supports Assad and claims that the rebels are suffering defeats.
Of course SANA is propaganda though; it can't be trusted at face value. But no more and no less than the rebel sources.


I trust the Israeli Military Intelligence reports to the Knesset Defense Committee. They are professional and have for goal to portray the situation as accurately as possible.
Sure, but who's asking them? The vast majority of 'news' in this thread aren't from Israeli MILINT sources.

kalerab
02-15-2013, 06:52 AM
Well, SANA, al-Watan, Dunniya and others were for about 2 months claiming how rebels around Damascus were on bring on annihilation, how Darayya was captured and only "remnants" remained which were being cleansed and yadayadayada and afterwards rebels push into Damascus city and Syrian army, with elite 4th and Republican Guard mobilized, is slowly pushed back while retaking no district (so far). That surely tells you something about state-owned media.

Camera
02-15-2013, 07:15 AM
I can turn this arguement on its head - do you have any source to support this sort of opinion that you have about official Syrian sources?

This:


Well, SANA, al-Watan, Dunniya and others were for about 2 months claiming how rebels around Damascus were on bring on annihilation, how Darayya was captured and only "remnants" remained which were being cleansed and yadayadayada and afterwards rebels push into Damascus city and Syrian army, with elite 4th and Republican Guard mobilized, is slowly pushed back while retaking no district (so far). That surely tells you something about state-owned media.

+ 40 years of my personal experience of a reader of Syrian state reports. But you knew the answer as well:


… SNIP…

Of course SANA is propaganda though; it can't be trusted at face value.

-------


But no more and no less than the rebel sources.

Rebels reports are are trustworthy when they are backed by vids.


Sure, but who's asking them? The vast majority of 'news' in this thread aren't from Israeli MILINT sources.

I don't read all the newspapers, so you may be right. The ones I read are usually reliable, even though it's wise to take nothing they say for granted unless it is supported by solid sources.

Ayash
02-15-2013, 07:23 AM
Well, SANA, al-Watan, Dunniya and others were for about 2 months claiming how rebels around Damascus were on bring on annihilation, how Darayya was captured and only "remnants" remained which were being cleansed and yadayadayada and afterwards rebels push into Damascus city and Syrian army, with elite 4th and Republican Guard mobilized, is slowly pushed back while retaking no district (so far). That surely tells you something about state-owned media.
To be fair, the SAA has captured much of Darayya and pushed the rebels out of Aqraba and other areas along the airport road.

Camera
02-15-2013, 10:12 AM
Not even the Nazis did what Assad’s doing, says ex-Syrian PMDefected leader claims Iran is ‘actively running’ Syria days after reports surfaced that Islamic Republic, Hezbollah are building networks of militias there
By MICHAL SHMULOVICH (http://www.timesofisrael.com/writers/michal-shmulovich/)

The former prime minister of Syria delivered a harsh critique of the country’s president during an interview with al-Arabiya Friday, claiming that “not even the Nazis did what Bashar Assad’s doing in Syria.”

Riad Hijab, who defected from his post in Damascus six months ago, also told the Arabic-language news outlet that Iran is “actively running” Syria.

“Syria is occupied by the Iranian regime,” he said. “Who runs the country isn’t Bashar Assad but Kassem Suleimani, the head of Iran’s al-Quds Brigades [within the Revolutionary Guards].”

Hijab’s comments come less than a week after a Washington Post article claimed Iran and Hezbollah were “building a network of militias (http://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-reportedly-setting-up-loyal-militias-in-syria/)” in Syria to protect their interests when Assad falls. The militias are fighting alongside the regime, sources told the newspaper, but also preparing for a day-after scenario in which Assad is gone. A senior Obama administration official put the number of Iranian mercenaries in Syria at 50,000.

CONTINUED: http://www.timesofisrael.com/not-even-the-nazis-did-what-assads-doing-says-ex-syrian-pm/

Pandemonium
02-15-2013, 11:12 AM
Not even the Nazis did what Assad’s doing, says ex-Syrian PM


Lol


Just saw that the number of casualties has been revised by the UN from 60 000 to 70 000.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/12/world/meast/syria-death-toll/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
It's an enormous waste of lives but I must admit that I thought that the number of casualties would be much greater given the amount of destruction that can be seen in videos and pictures from both sides and the use of heavy weapons in densely populated areas like Homs and Aleppo

seanbg
02-15-2013, 02:27 PM
This quote fit right on the topic:


Сирия, как почитать русские блоги, предстает каким-то бесконечно фантастическим местом, где лоялистские силы неуклонно, день за днем, все побеждают и побеждают повстанцев, при этом победы все ближе к Дамаску и во все большем числе мест, повстанцев все меньше, из них остаются одни наемники-иностранцы... А победоносных боев все больше, больше... И писателей ну совсем не смущает, что даже логика в самих их писаниях уже просто пропала: "побеждаем, побеждаем".
Как говорят, "их окружали милые улыбающиеся лица, медленно сжимая кольцо"

Hisroyalhighness
02-15-2013, 02:30 PM
This quote fit right on the topic:
Oh look, an opinion.

No Russian Troops in Syria Says Foreign Minister (http://www.militaryphotos.net/world/20130215/179491857.html)

MOSCOW, February 15 (RIA Novosti) - There are no Russian troops in Syria apart from several dozen technical staff at the Tartus naval support facility, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Friday in an interview with German TV channel ARD.

“It is not a military base but a ship maintenance and servicing point. It is not big enough to be called a military base,” he said.

Lavrov reiterated Russia’s official position that it is not carrying out fresh arms deliveries to the Syrian government.

“We have only completed the implementation of contracts for the delivery of air-defense systems to the Syrian government, which have already been paid for,” he said.

“The military equipment that we have delivered to Syria is designed to protect Syria against outside aggression,” Lavrov said, stressing it cannot be used in the course of the current civil conflict.

Russia’s state-run arms dealer Rosoboronexport said on Wednesday it is supplying air-defense missile systems and maintenance and servicing equipment to Syria, but not combat aircraft.

Russia and Syria have previously signed a contract for delivery to Damascus of Yak-130 Mitten advanced jet trainers (http://en.rian.ru/infographics/20120621/174128331.html), but it has been suspended, the company's director Anatoly Isaikin (http://en.ria.ru/world/20130213/179443688/No-Warplanes-for-Syria-Says-Russian-Arms-Sales-Boss.html) said. The company still has some other outstanding contracts with Syria, he said, but did not provide any details, citing commercial confidentiality.

Russia and the United States were involved in a diplomatic war of words (http://en.ria.ru/world/20130213/179443688/No-Warplanes-for-Syria-Says-Russian-Arms-Sales-Boss.html) last year over Moscow's arms sales to Syria, after Washington accused Russia of supplying attack helicopters to the al-Assad regime. Moscow denied those accusations, claiming it was merely returning equipment overhauled as part of long-standing contracts with Syria.

Navy chief Vice Admiral Viktor Chirkov said in July Russia will keep its naval base in the Syrian port of Tartus as it needs maintenance and technical support for Russian warships during anti-piracy missions in the Gulf of Aden.

Russia has repeatedly denied media reports that it was sending warships to Syria and delivering weapons to Damascus.

Camera
02-15-2013, 02:34 PM
This quote fit right on the topic:

What does it mean in English?

AgentKoba37
02-15-2013, 02:40 PM
This quote fit right on the topic:

To quickly translate - many Assad supporters claim Assad victories here and there yet the tide seems to be turning in rebels favour.

Is Assad winning? Obviously not. Are rebels making gains? It decidedly appears to be so. However IMO Assad forces are pursuing a strategy of utilizing the urban environment to absorb as much rebel manpower as they possibly can. Rebels push in and group up in sectors where they are hit with arty and air force.

There is still plenty of room for rebel gains since the many isolated bases around Syria are a relatively easy target. Does that mean rebels are decidedly winning the war? Not necessarily. Both sides still have the resources to commit to the fight. If Assad holds there is going to be a point when all the relatively easy tactical engagements have been won by the rebels and further progress will not be as easy or as apparent. If it wasn't for Nusra + C2 facilitated by 3rd parties factor IMO this war would be coming to an end right about now and not in rebels favour at all.

IMO if the rebels manage to breach some of the layered Damascus def held by 4th armored division we may see another force multiplier enter the theater on Assad side.

JGXL836
02-15-2013, 02:42 PM
What does it mean in English?


Syria, if you read some Russian blogs, appears to be an utterly fantastic place, where the loyalist forces persistently triumph over the rebels day after day, though their victories are closer and closer to Damascus, in a growing number of places...

e.t.c.....

seanbg
02-15-2013, 02:48 PM
What does it mean in English?

It means that 4 the russian blogers Syria is a wonderland where the SAA is wining over and over, day afther day, and these victorys is getting clocer to Damascus all the time, on more and more frontlines. But they dont evan bother by the lack of logic in that.

Surenas
02-15-2013, 02:49 PM
It means that 4 the russian blogers Syria is a wonderland where the SAA is wining over and over, day afther day, and these victorys is getting clocer to Damascus all the time, on more and more frontlines. But they dont evan bother by the lack of logic in that.

Why is that even relevant?

Hisroyalhighness
02-15-2013, 02:51 PM
Why is that even relevant?

Exactly, the quote is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand and only serves as an opinion of some anonymous nobody.

AgentKoba37
02-15-2013, 02:52 PM
Exactly, the quote is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand and only serves as an opinion of some anonymous nobody.

It's a bad attempt at trolling I guess

prince99x
02-15-2013, 03:17 PM
Not even the Nazis did what Assad¡¯s doing, says ex-Syrian PMDefected leader claims Iran is ¡®actively running¡¯ Syria days after reports surfaced that Islamic Republic, Hezbollah are building networks of militias thereBy MICHAL SHMULOVICH (http://www.timesofisrael.com/writers/michal-shmulovich/) The former prime minister of Syria delivered a harsh critique of the country¡¯s president during an interview with al-Arabiya Friday, claiming that ¡°not even the Nazis did what Bashar Assad¡¯s doing in Syria.¡±Riad Hijab, who defected from his post in Damascus six months ago, also told the Arabic-language news outlet that Iran is ¡°actively running¡± Syria.¡°Syria is occupied by the Iranian regime,¡± he said. ¡°Who runs the country isn¡¯t Bashar Assad but Kassem Suleimani, the head of Iran¡¯s al-Quds Brigades [within the Revolutionary Guards].¡±Hijab¡¯s comments come less than a week after a Washington Post article claimed Iran and Hezbollah were ¡°building a network of militias (http://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-reportedly-setting-up-loyal-militias-in-syria/)¡± in Syria to protect their interests when Assad falls. The militias are fighting alongside the regime, sources told the newspaper, but also preparing for a day-after scenario in which Assad is gone. A senior Obama administration official put the number of Iranian mercenaries in Syria at 50,000.CONTINUED: http://www.timesofisrael.com/not-even-the-nazis-did-what-assads-doing-says-ex-syrian-pm/LoL ex pm is talking.He knows sh i t about Syria.It's not my opinion people ,u always lack a part of the story,this cowrad Ex pm who was left by the Syrian intelligence on purpose said in the first TV interview with him on Aljazeera that his job was limited to mange the gov business,and that he knows nothing about the military or the high political aspect of the Syrian regime,now the told him say this and that, it's all fu cking stupid lies with no single evidence of anything.Come on Camera u should had got used to those lies by now.

prince99x
02-15-2013, 03:17 PM
LolJust saw that the number of casualties has been revised by the UN from 60 000 to 70 000. http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/12/world/meast/syria-death-toll/index.html?hpt=hp_t1It's an enormous waste of lives but I must admit that I thought that the number of casualties would be much greater given the amount of destruction that can be seen in videos and pictures from both sides and the use of heavy weapons in densely populated areas like Homs and AleppoIt would have been 1\4 million at least if SAA was using full force or if SAA wasn't careful on civilians.

seanbg
02-15-2013, 03:39 PM
It's a bad attempt at trolling I guess

I jus put a mirror 4 u guys. And trolling is the bull(you know wahat) about Assad's fake victorys. FSA is showing capturet military airports, hangars whit fighter jets inn, giant hydropower plants....... and at the same time SANNA+ANNA go into some hole to tell a story how she (the hole!) was captured by the SAA. Hahahahhahahahaha

Camera
02-15-2013, 03:40 PM
LoL ex pm is talking.He knows sh i t about Syria.It's not my opinion people ,u always lack a part of the story,this cowrad Ex pm who was left by the Syrian intelligence on purpose said in the first TV interview with him on Aljazeera that his job was limited to mange the gov business,and that he knows nothing about the military or the high political aspect of the Syrian regime,now the told him say this and that, it's all fu cking stupid lies with no single evidence of anything.Come on Camera u should had got used to those lies by now.

I tend to believe you that this guy is stupid. And this should prove you how stupid are your president Assad and the Baath regime who could appoint such guy as PM.

Hisroyalhighness
02-15-2013, 03:42 PM
LoL ex pm is talking.He knows sh i t about Syria.It's not my opinion people ,u always lack a part of the story,this cowrad Ex pm who was left by the Syrian intelligence on purpose said in the first TV interview with him on Aljazeera that his job was limited to mange the gov business,and that he knows nothing about the military or the high political aspect of the Syrian regime,now the told him say this and that, it's all fu cking stupid lies with no single evidence of anything.Come on Camera u should had got used to those lies by now.


I jus put a mirror 4 u guys. And trolling is the bull(you know wahat) about Assad's fake victorys. FSA is showing capturet military airports, hangars whit fighter jets inn, giant hydropower plants....... and at the same time SANNA+ANNA go into some hole to tell a story how she (the hole!) was captured by the SAA. Hahahahhahahahaha
I would love to know what would happen if we locked you two in a room.

Camera
02-15-2013, 03:49 PM
I jus put a mirror 4 u guys. And trolling is the bull(you know wahat) about Assad's fake victorys. FSA is showing capturet military airports, hangars whit fighter jets inn, giant hydropower plants....... and at the same time SANNA+ANNA go into some hole to tell a story how she (the hole!) was captured by the SAA. Hahahahhahahahaha

I'm telling them from the start that Assad is doomed, but some of them won't listen.

kalerab
02-15-2013, 03:56 PM
I would love to know what would happen if we locked you two in a room.

Isn´t one civil war enough?

Flamming_Python
02-15-2013, 03:59 PM
I'm telling them from the start that Assad is doomed, but some of them won't listen.

We're still waiting on that Assad bro...

kalerab
02-15-2013, 04:02 PM
Christians Squeezed Out by Violent Struggle in North Syria


MIDYAT, TURKEY — The bright voices of children at play echoed off the ancient walls of Mor Hanonyo last week, breaking centuries of stillness in this 1,600-year-old Syriac Orthodox monastery outside Mardin in southeastern Turkey. Little boys skipped around the monastery courtyard zipped up in quilted winter jackets, while their elders huddled indoors and lamented the violence and mayhem that have forced them to flee their homes in Syria.

One mother told of the abduction of a neighbor’s child, held for ransom by rebel fighters in her hometown of Al-Hasakah, which prompted her family to seek safety for their three young sons across the border in Turkey. A young man demonstrated how he was hung by his arms, robbed and beaten by rebels, “just for being a Christian.”

Violence against Christians is escalating in the governorate of Al-Hasakah in northeastern Syria, which is home to tens of thousands of Syriac Christians, the refugees said.

The region, known locally as the Jazeera, encompasses the districts of Ras al-Ain, Qamishli and Malikiyah. With government forces, Arab rebels of the Free Syrian Army and Kurdish fighters locked in a three-way struggle for control, the area’s Christian population has found itself caught in the middle.



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/14/world/middleeast/christians-squeezed-out-by-violent-struggle-in-north-syria.html?pagewanted=all

Camera
02-15-2013, 04:09 PM
We're still waiting on that Assad bro...

I admit it's lengthy, but the process seems unstoppable.

prince99x
02-15-2013, 04:16 PM
I tend to believe you that this guy is stupid. And this should prove you how stupid are your president Assad and the Baath regime who could appoint such guy as PM.Finally we agree on a part of something.President Asad IQ beat alot of % of the world presidents and we can accept that (as Syrian people).For the appointment aspect,u should know its not only rested on President Asad choice,Ex pm was good in his ex jobs but not good enough as PM,everyone has abilities and that's his limit beside the sectarian aspect specifically his original Tribe pressure on him.

geolocator
02-15-2013, 04:25 PM
I'm telling them from the start that Assad is doomed, but some of them won't listen.
Last year I heard from Israel tha Assad downfall is inevitable in three weeks, then it was 3 month, now you like CO tell that he's doomed. We all doomed and will die. Assad can be in power for years, just like Hezbollah controls a part of Lebanon.

Camera
02-15-2013, 04:30 PM
Finally we agree on a part of something.President Asad IQ beat alot of % of the world presidents and we can accept that (as Syrian people).For the appointment aspect,u should know its not only rested on President Asad choice,Ex pm was good in his ex jobs but not good enough as PM,everyone has abilities and that's his limit beside the sectarian aspect specifically his original Tribe pressure on him.

That's why I said 'Assad and the Baath regime' were stupid, if the guy is stupid, because he still had a high ranking post prior to his appointment as PM.

AgentKoba37
02-15-2013, 04:32 PM
I jus put a mirror 4 u guys. And trolling is the bull(you know wahat) about Assad's fake victorys. FSA is showing capturet military airports, hangars whit fighter jets inn, giant hydropower plants....... and at the same time SANNA+ANNA go into some hole to tell a story how she (the hole!) was captured by the SAA. Hahahahhahahahaha

Sigh... ok sure pumpkin. Whatever makes you happy.

Camera
02-15-2013, 04:34 PM
Last year I heard from Israel tha Assad downfall is inevitable in three weeks, then it was 3 month, now you like CO tell that he's doomed. We all doomed and will die. Assad can be in power for years, just like Hezbollah controls a part of Lebanon.

If you were right, this thread is promised to a long life.

AgentKoba37
02-15-2013, 04:37 PM
If you were right, this thread is promised to a long life.

Assad dies Russia looses. Russia will make sure that while still technically in power Assad survives. Ppl will obviously disagree with my assessment but IMO it is as simple as that. All high powered Syrians who needed to be taken out for this process to be facilitated were removed early on. Assad stayed alive for a reason. Measures are being taken to keep him alive as it is now a matter of keeping the idea of Eurasian Union viable and accomplishable in a certain time frame. That's the bottom line. So I would not keep my hopes high in regards to Assad being taken out of action any time soon. That will take more than a one trick pony Nusra to accomplish and even all the advisors in the theater may find it an interesting challenge

Camera
02-15-2013, 04:41 PM
Assad dies Russia looses. Russia will make sure that while still technically in power Assad survives. Ppl will obviously disagree with my assessment but IMO it is as simple as that. All high powered Syrians who needed to be taken out for this process to be facilitated were removed early on. Assad stayed alive for a reason. Measures are being taken to keep him alive as it is now a matter of keeping the idea of Eurasian Union viable

I understand the Russian perception, but I fail to see what Russia could do to reverse the process through which Assad loses ground by the day.

AgentKoba37
02-15-2013, 04:44 PM
I understand the Russian perception, but I fail to see what Russia could do to reverse the process through which Assad loses ground by the day.

Russia is ok with Assad being disposed of. However this has to happen on Russia's terms. Otherwise more ppl will die in the futile attempt of getting rid of Assad

Camera
02-15-2013, 04:52 PM
Russia is ok with Assad being disposed of. It has to happen on Russia's terms. Otherwise more ppl will die in the futile attempt of getting rid of Assad

It's not so futile. The guy loses ground and control on a daily basis, his armed forces face constant attrition. This destructive process seems to accelerate…

AgentKoba37
02-15-2013, 04:53 PM
It's not so futile. The guy loses ground and control on a daily basis, his armed forces face constant attrition. This destructive process seems to accelerate…

Yeah well we will see what happens when 4th armored is all dead.

You fail to appreciate the stakes in this game of poker. There is room for more grief in this if some continue to insist in resolving the situation with total disregard to Russia. There is room to spread this beyond Syria as well. Hell will look like a better place to be in than Syria before this mission is considered "accomplished"

I get the impression what Lavrov hints falls on deaf ears. The West is not listening. Maybe it's time to speak in terms that are better understood

Camera
02-15-2013, 05:02 PM
Yeah well we will see what happens when 4th armored is all dead.

You fail to appreciate the stakes in this game of poker. There is room for more grief in this if some continue to insist in resolving the situation with total disregard to Russia. There is room to spread this beyond Syria as well. Hell will look like a better place to be in than Syria before this mission is considered "accomplished"

I get the impression what Lavrov hints falls on deaf ears. The West is not listening. Maybe it's time to speak in terms that are better understood

I fail to understand what Russia could do more about what's going on in Syria. Can you elaborate?

AgentKoba37
02-15-2013, 05:17 PM
I fail to understand what Russia could do more about what's going on in Syria. Can you elaborate?

Let it be a surprise. Not to mention my mumbling on the topic may seem a bit radical to you at this point.

Camera
02-15-2013, 05:20 PM
Let it be a surprise.

Are you the COS of the Russian armed forces?


Not to mention my mumbling on the topic may seem a bit radical to you at this point.

I'm just trying to understand.

Camera
02-15-2013, 06:45 PM
EU battle over move to ease arms flow for Syrian rebels

British and French attempts to lift the EU arms embargo that is hampering the flow of weapons to Syrian rebels fighting President Bashar al-Assad are being blocked by powerful states including Germany.

By Bruno Waterfield (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/bruno-waterfield/), in Brussels, and Richard Spencer in Cairo

William Hague wants the embargo on supplying arms to the country to be modified and will put the proposal to EU ministers on Monday.

But his proposals have been rebuffed by Sweden, Germany and Baroness Ashton, the EU foreign affairs chief, according to diplomats.

A package of EU sanctions is due for renewal at the start of March and Britain wants them to be altered to allow some equipment to be sent to the opposition Syrian National Coalition.

Mr Hague is afraid that, starved of supplies, rebel groups friendlier to the West are being outshone and outgunned by jihadists, who are armed by sympathisers in the Gulf and could subsequently pose a threat to Western interests.

But Lady Ashton and a majority of European countries are likely to put up "firm opposition" at "challenging and dynamic talks", arguing that arming the rebels risks deepening the conflict, killing off peace talks, alienating Russia and blocking progress at the United Nations.

"Syrian civilians are unprotected and the moderate opposition is fighting a difficult campaign," a source said. "No one is looking at this stage to free up weapons assistance but this is not the time to tie our hands with extra knots or restrictive lists of what is and isn't allowed."

Diplomats and officials report that Britain is "angry and frustrated" at obstruction to its proposals from other EU countries, led by the Nordic bloc with German support. The splits are so deep there is a risk, say senior diplomats, that the EU sanctions regime against Syria might collapse because of insufficient agreement to renew them by March 1.

CONTINUED: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9873952/EU-battle-over-move-to-ease-arms-flow-for-Syrian-rebels.html

prince99x
02-15-2013, 07:28 PM
That's why I said 'Assad and the Baath regime' were stupid, if the guy is stupid, because he still had a high ranking post prior to his appointment as PM.Read all my lines,i fail to understand why can't u understand my logical reasoning of ,i mean here in Syria war not only stupidity have role in person actions,the actions can be related and controlled by many factors,specifically the sectarian factor specially in this war.

prince99x
02-15-2013, 07:35 PM
I admit it's lengthy, but the process seems unstoppable.Not only that u will admit,however the absence of President Asad in anyway will unleash the deadliest sectarian war in middle east,it will last decades,and what is going on in Syria right now is a 0.001 second of the 120 min full movie.

Rebel44CZ
02-15-2013, 08:42 PM
Not only that u will admit,however the absence of President Asad in anyway will unleash the deadliest sectarian war in middle east,it will last decades,and what is going on in Syria right now is a 0.001 second of the 120 min full movie.

Thats pretty absurd - even if by some miracle current regime is able to hold frontline and considering large weapons stockpile which Syria had before this civil war, with current tempo of operations, SAA would run out of tanks, APCs, aircraft etc. etc. in less than 2 years.

Since SAA is unable to even lift siege of Aleppo, let alone retake any significant territory, I doubt that SAA has any chance of winning.

AgentKoba37
02-15-2013, 08:52 PM
Thats pretty absurd - even if by some miracle current regime is able to hold frontline and considering large weapons stockpile which Syria had before this civil war, with current tempo of operations, SAA would run out of tanks, APCs, aircraft etc. etc. in less than 2 years.

Since SAA is unable to even lift siege of Aleppo, let alone retake any significant territory, I doubt that SAA has any chance of winning.

You talk as if the other side is immune to attrition and massive famine. Let us see who survives two years of that. Not to mention the neighboring regions will be going through a crisis or two of their own IMO