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varun
03-20-2011, 11:52 AM
new indian 7.62mm calibre rifle under trial


To mark the contribution of the Tiruchi factory in developing the rifle, officials have decided to christen it "Trichy Assault Rifle,'' Prabhakar said. Field trials have been done for the 7.62mm caliber rifle with a range of 400 metres. "The rifle has been successfully tried by the Indian Army,

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-03-19/india/29145725_1_ordnance-factory-happ-tiruchi


http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt220/varun22/29pyhc6dotjpg

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt220/varun22/Pc0080900dotjpg

Little J
03-20-2011, 11:59 AM
From those pictures it looks abit like an FAL clone, but the article says "AK47 features". I take it that India wont be buying to many more Tavors?

whiskey
03-20-2011, 12:05 PM
From those pictures it looks abit like an FAL clone, but the article says "AK47 features". I take it that India wont be buying to many more Tavors?

i was about to say that,
looks like the features is only the curvy 30 round mag and the side rail mount...

lotsoffreetime
03-20-2011, 12:11 PM
Umm..I really,really wish you guys won't be laughing at me for saying this, but why don't Indians make research for a different caliber altogether? I mean, the Russian armed forces had already move away from 7.62mm, and so does China. :oops:




*Plz God don't make them make reference to 5.56 vs 7.62*

JRT
03-20-2011, 12:42 PM
7.62 x 39 or 7.62 x 51?

khukuri
03-20-2011, 12:49 PM
looks like 7.62 version of Fn Fnc more than fal to me. but then im not a gun nut

Volk01
03-20-2011, 12:50 PM
7.62 x 39 or 7.62 x 51?

7,62 x 39

1232414

Karaahmetoglu
03-20-2011, 01:06 PM
X3 on Fal clone.

What about the Insas? Didn't they just put it to service, and didn't the Insas replace the Fal before it. Seems somewhat counterproductive to me.

Arnie100
03-20-2011, 04:59 PM
Tusned out the INSAS wasn't a really good rifle.

bhramos
03-20-2011, 06:54 PM
Tusned out the INSAS wasn't a really good rifle.

Ya
so they made this one, It could be called as Vajra or TAR-2011 [Tiruchy Assualt Rifle- 2011] as this was made in Tiruchy Ordinance Factary....

bhramos
03-20-2011, 06:57 PM
From those pictures it looks abit like an FAL clone, but the article says "AK47 features". I take it that India wont be buying to many more Tavors?

this is more similar to SSG-551 7.62M43.....

kutter
03-20-2011, 08:01 PM
Not surprised they seem to have used the FAL as a base for their rifle. They've had a license to make it for at least 50 years now.

bhramos
03-20-2011, 11:19 PM
so there are more similar in shapes of FAL, but Internal process is more of AK........

bababooey
03-21-2011, 06:55 PM
Brazil did something similar with 5.56mm, no?

Karaahmetoglu
03-21-2011, 06:56 PM
Brazil did something similar with 5.56mm, no?

Yes their's looks very good as well.

Arnie100
03-21-2011, 08:11 PM
Brazil did something similar with 5.56mm, no?

It's called the MD97 and made by Imbel, IIRC.

The Left Hand of God
03-22-2011, 12:08 AM
Brazil did something similar with 5.56mm, no?

Yes, it was a complete disaster called the MD-97LC.

EDIT: Ninja'd by Arnie100

Kaplanr
03-22-2011, 12:15 AM
Is it me or the photos, but doesn't the hand-grip look like it's angled too far back?

The Left Hand of God
03-22-2011, 12:31 AM
Is it me or the photos, but doesn't the hand-grip look like it's angled too far back?

Looks like the standard grip used on the FAL family.

bhramos
04-17-2012, 09:23 AM
http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/5805/bl21ordnance2957779f.jpg

crimsontide
04-17-2012, 09:29 AM
yikes... that thing looks like a FAL and an AK had a retarded love child and this was it... Why not just make the AK or the FAL? Both work just fine.

MeiJoa
04-17-2012, 02:20 PM
yikes... that thing looks like a FAL and an AK had a retarded love child and this was it... Why not just make the AK or the FAL? Both work just fine.

National pride, the reason for adopting inferiour weapon designs in all countries since the beginning of history....

crimsontide
04-17-2012, 03:08 PM
yeah, except in most other cases, the national pride didn't result in a ****ty design... M16, AK47, FAL, G3/CETME, M14, M1; all of those are nationally designed guns that actually worked. India already has rights to produce the FAL, they probably could get them for the Tavor or the AK103 from the Israelis or Russians, so why spit out this thing? National pride is not worth lives, and I would have thought the INSAS would have taught them that.

twinblade
04-17-2012, 09:42 PM
Umm..I really,really wish you guys won't be laughing at me for saying this, but why don't Indians make research for a different caliber altogether? I mean, the Russian armed forces had already move away from 7.62mm, and so does China. :oops:

Forces involved in counter insurgency have shown a preference for 7.62 mm.

TheOrangeMan
04-17-2012, 10:28 PM
yeah, except in most other cases, the national pride didn't result in a ****ty design... M16, AK47, FAL, G3/CETME, M14, M1; all of those are nationally designed guns that actually worked. India already has rights to produce the FAL, they probably could get them for the Tavor or the AK103 from the Israelis or Russians, so why spit out this thing? National pride is not worth lives, and I would have thought the INSAS would have taught them that.

Tell that to Imbel and our MD-97.

crimsontide
04-17-2012, 10:37 PM
Tell that to Imbel and our MD-97.

hence why your army is still using the FAL. Nothing wrong with that. It killed people just fine 50 years ago and it'll still slot em today. I don't know anything about the MD97 other then it was never really adopted. What was wrong with it? I know other 5.56mm FAL conversions like the FN CAL had trouble, which is why FN made the FNC which is actually closer to an AK47.

Indianatheart
04-17-2012, 10:48 PM
National pride, the reason for adopting inferiour weapon designs in all countries since the beginning of history....

Churning out inferior products is the bane of the Indian military infrastructure's existence. More often it is the decision of the idiotic "babus" at the South Block offices in New Delhi that lead to these kind of "mistakes". The amount of money spent on so called R&D and production, can buy better armaments many times over. It's a shame that they don't learn from the mistakes.

TheOrangeMan
04-17-2012, 10:49 PM
hence why your army is still using the FAL. Nothing wrong with that. It killed people just fine 50 years ago and it'll still slot em today. I don't know anything about the MD97 other then it was never really adopted. What was wrong with it? I know other 5.56mm FAL conversions like the FN CAL had trouble, which is why FN made the FNC which is actually closer to an AK47.

Magazine falling off during automatic fire, hand-guard melting down after a bit less than 90 consecutive shots, charging handle getting stuck in place and generally being a mess to deal with and them other highly breakable parts due to shoddy materials.

Sootan
04-17-2012, 10:51 PM
http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/5805/bl21ordnance2957779f.jpg

Is there any other successful 7.62x51 rifle that uses banana clips?

crimsontide
04-17-2012, 10:56 PM
I'm pretty sure that's 7.62x39 not 7.62 NATO.