Jerry Brown seeks ways around GOP on tax vote

[wbear]

Gov. Jerry Brown (http://www.sfgate.com/jerry-brown/) is considering bypassing Republicans in the Legislature by putting a measure on the November ballot that would increase taxes to close the state's budget deficit, sources involved in the talks said Tuesday.
Brown floated the idea of issuing IOUs starting in July, when the next fiscal year begins, until the November election. The IOU plan would cover expenses until the election could be held, according to insiders.
The governor has expressed frustration in recent days over negotiations with Republicans on closing California's $26.6 billion deficit and even told a dinner gathering of labor leaders Monday night that Californians would vote on his plan "one way or another."


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/03/22/MN521IH5VG.DTL#ixzz1HXKJlIbJ

Looks like old JB Is giving it the "My way or the highway" treatment, a lot like Gov Walker did. I wonder if the liberals on here will rail against him like they did Walker?

Raise taxes is his cure. If that's not enough raise them some more. Even a housewife running a household would finally figure out it's not going to work.

A Gov Christie is what the state needs but the leftists would rather see Ca. go down the tubes than admit their policy's are failures.

Someone left a comment about the article that really hit the nail on the head. "Give the legislators IOU's instead of paychecks until they balance the budget". Now that's a plan everyone should agree on!

[seraosha]

I think they should raise taxes in California...and if they can figure out a way to tax illegal aliens x2 than bonus!

[HollywoodMarine]

Democrats sure like to help everyone by giving away our tax money.

[SoftLion]

We need to create a social/fiscal experiment: two test settlements, one a fiscally liberal utopia, the other a fiscally conservative utopia. Or maybe a third communist settlement as a placebo, but might be too close to the liberal utopia. Scratch that.

[wbear]

We need to create a social/fiscal experiment: two test settlements, one a fiscally liberal utopia, the other a fiscally conservative utopia. Or maybe a third communist settlement as a placebo, but might be too close to the liberal utopia. Scratch that.
That's a great idea but you know what would happen. The conservative utopia would be doing so well all the chumps from the other two would move there and it would turn into, you guessed it, a California!

[Ordie]

I think they should raise taxes in California...

I agree.
We are the only state that has no oil extraction tax like Alaska.

[Snoshi]

That's a great idea but you know what would happen. The conservative utopia would be doing so well all the chumps from the other two would move there and it would turn into, you guessed it, a California!

Ahaha.. Your conservative utopia would turn into a fascist state in week and it would only constitute of some CEO's who would be without any workers to abuse.

As for California, i propose a tax-cut for the poor-middle class and a tax-hike for the super-rich.

[Ordie]

Democrats sure like to help everyone by giving away our tax money.

I blame the voters for voting themselves out of paying taxes, borrowing from bonds, and passing unfunded mandates through the ballot box.

[SoftLion]

I blame the voters for voting themselves out of paying taxes, borrowing from bonds, and passing unfunded mandates through the ballot box.

You're right - when they vote for entitlements yet fail to realize it necessarily means voting for higher taxes, the "Gimme" voters truly are at fault.

[SoftLion]

Ahaha.. Your conservative utopia would turn into a fascist state in week and it would only constitute of some CEO's who would be without any workers to abuse.


Let me help.

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[Snoshi]

Let me help.

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Well.. Conservative states are doing really well.. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Uganda etc... I can go on and on.

[SoftLion]

Well.. Conservative states are doing really well.. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Uganda etc... I can go on and on.

and on and on and on about totally irrelevant information. Get a clue - this thread is about the United States of America and tax issues that particular country is facing. I think most everyone else can glean that from the thread title.

[Ordie]

You're right - when they vote for entitlements yet fail to realize it necessarily means voting for higher taxes, the "Gimme" voters truly are at fault.

I agree.
Many Californian voters believe bonds are free money. Which in fact is borrowed money.

[Henry's Fork]

I blame the voters for voting themselves out of paying taxes, borrowing from bonds, and passing unfunded mandates through the ballot box.

Same here, along with not holding elected officials accountable for corruption and smash your head into a brick wall stupidity.

[Arnie100]

Well.. Conservative states are doing really well.. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Uganda etc... I can go on and on.

Neither is the EU.

[Soldat_Américain]

Arnold set the precedent with his special elections and so many ballot propositions so don't give me this horse**** of JB back to his old ways...being ignorant like a second grader at a tea party rally is unbecoming.

[Snoshi]

Neither is the EU.

EU like all other states in the world hit an economic crisis caused by US neo-liberalism..

[G-AWZT]

Fascinating how the Dem/Libs love raising taxes. Raising them hurts the middle class, turns away small business, and essentially drives people out of the state. Basically all that is left is the super rich and poor. The Dems are in essence anti middle class, and anti business.

[wbear]

Arnold set the precedent with his special elections and so many ballot propositions so don't give me this horse**** of JB back to his old ways...being ignorant like a second grader at a tea party rally is unbecoming.
Good god why do you even bother to post if you are not going to read the thread. No one said anything about JB "back to his old ways". Do you just make stuff up to impress the other left wingers on here or is there some other reason?

Ignorance was electing JB in the first place and believing he can fix Ca borders on insanity.

[Snoshi]

Fascinating how the Dem/Libs love raising taxes. Raising them hurts the middle class, turns away small business, and essentially drives people out of the state. Basically all that is left is the super rich and poor. The Dems are in essence anti middle class, and anti business.

Since the proposed Bush tax cuts the gap between the rich and the poor in the US has been growing..

[Ordie]

Fascinating how the Dem/Libs love raising taxes. Raising them hurts the middle class, turns away small business, and essentially drives people out of the state. Basically all that is left is the super rich and poor. The Dems are in essence anti middle class, and anti business.

It's not a Dems vs. GOP issue.

It's the backers of ballot initiatives and the ignorance of the voters (or lack there of). Putting ballot measures is now a multi-million dollar industry usually backed by corporations hiring people to get petitions filled and paid per signiature.

In California, you need 2/3rd majoirty to pass tax initiatives and simple majority to pass bond measures (borrow money).
Guess which way ballot drafters and voters opted for for the past 30 years?

[SoftLion]

EU like all other states in the world hit an economic crisis caused by US neo-liberalism..


Since the proposed Bush tax cuts the gap between the rich and the poor in the US has been growing..


Up above there - that's probably the sort of opinion I would lay down on a Kenyan forum about a Kenyan issue being discussed by Kenyans. In other words, your out of your element, Donny.

[Snoshi]

Up above there - that's probably the sort of opinion I would lay down on a Kenyan forum about a Kenyan issue being discussed by Kenyans. In other words, your out of your element, Donny.

Will just put you on ignore list since you refuse to debate, at all..

Both of my points are correct.. Less regulation as well as other typical neoliberalist tendencies created the crisis in the US. And its a known fact that rich are just getting richer, poor are just getting poorer and middle-class wont be "middle" for too long.

[Soldat_Américain]

Good god why do you even bother to post if you are not going to read the thread. No one said anything about JB "back to his old ways". Do you just make stuff up to impress the other left wingers on here or is there some other reason?

Ignorance was electing JB in the first place and believing he can fix Ca borders on insanity.

I responded to you...read what you wrote. As far as Jerry Brown is concerned...who else was electable on the ballot?

[Ordie]

Ignorance was electing JB in the first place and believing he can fix Ca borders on insanity.

I doubt Meg Whitman can do any better.

[Arnie100]

EU like all other states in the world hit an economic crisis caused by US neo-liberalism..

What nonsense.

[wbear]

I doubt Meg Whitman can do any better.
Well unfortunately we will never know.

[wbear]

I responded to you...read what you wrote. As far as Jerry Brown is concerned...who else was electable on the ballot?
Maybe that's the problem in Ca. People who are actually qualified and could fix some of the problems are not "electable".

A movie star and then a career politician. Perhaps a person such as Whitman with actual experience running a company could have done something positive.

[Ordie]

Well unfortunately we will never know.

We do know.
She promised the same things as our previous governor.

[0rphie]

We do know.
She promised the same things as our previous governor.

I am not sure that the governor is the problem. The problem is far apart divided legislature, they just cannot agree on anything. The same as in DC.

[Ordie]

Maybe that's the problem in Ca. People who are actually qualified and could fix some of the problems are not "electable".

It probably because California voters don't allow policymakers do thier job.

Term limits, recall elections, ballot initiates pretty much made the role of state governance irrelevant. Yet the voters still scapegoat them for what goes wrong but have yet to blame themselves for the woes of the state.

[Ordie]

I am not sure that the governor is the problem. The problem is far apart divided legislature, they just cannot agree on anything. The same as in DC.

Anyone can by-pass the California legislature through a ballot initiative.

[Mein Teil]

We do know.
She promised the same things as our previous governor.
So you traded one previous failure for a bigger previous failure? Lol

[Arnie100]

We do know.
She promised the same things as our previous governor.

And we've already had experience with the current governor.

[Ordie]

So you traded one previous failure for a bigger previous failure? Lol

We traded an actor with a sausagemaker.

[Mein Teil]

We traded an actor with a sausagemaker.Sounds disgusting.

[Ordie]

Sounds disgusting.



Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made.
-Otto von Bismarck

[Arnie100]

Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made.
-Otto von Bismarck

"We need to pass this bill so that we'll know what's in the bill."
- Nancy Pelosi

[SoftLion]

Will just put you on ignore list since you refuse to debate, at all..

Both of my points are correct.. Less regulation as well as other typical neoliberalist tendencies created the crisis in the US. And its a known fact that rich are just getting richer, poor are just getting poorer and middle-class wont be "middle" for too long.

You want to debate? Ok. You claim "Both of my points are correct". Why don't you lay down some source material to back those up? Shouldn't be tough.


In a nutshell, you have stated that the US (or neoliberalism) is solely responsible for the worldwide financial crisis.

Further, neo-liberalism (or the GOP, single-handedly?) is the reason for an un-look-back-able widening between the poor and wealthy.

Go ahead and lay it down.

I think you are, indeed, out of your element, and really have no grasp of the reality that is US domestic policy, wherever you are situated.

The lion's share of your posts are really nothing more than recycled iterations of something that was more credible when MSNBC/HuffPo/etc originally announced a similar view.