Report: Italy must act to end racist and xenophobic violence

[Stormy]

Rome (http://maps.google.com/?q=Rome%2C+Italy&z=4) - A shift of intolerance in Italy toward immigrants and minorities, reflected in politicians’ use of hateful speech, violence against vulnerable groups, and political discourse are leading to increased racism and xenophobic violence, a new report shows.

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/305135#ixzz1I7twuZ7x

[Ordie]

I'm not surprised given that Italy was the birthplace of Fascism.

[Mein Teil]

I'm not surprised given that Italy was the birthplace of Fascism.

So once a fascist always a fascist?

[Military-G]

Yeah we are so racist we take in hundreds of Illegals everyday floating onto our islands and house them and give them whatever they want even though our economy is a pile of ****.

I guess its because we dissrespect romas we should be labeled FASCISTS.. ****

[Mein Teil]

Yeah we are so racist we take in hundreds of Illegals everyday floating onto our islands and house them and give them whatever they want even though our economy is a pile of ****.

I guess its because we dissrespect romas we should be labeled FASCISTS.. ****Ordie thinks you should be more like America and it's borders, "Mr. Berlusconi tear down this wall!"

[Ordie]

With the birthrate at 1.3, Italians will figure out soon the only people to take care of them as they grow old will be the ones they are most intolerant of.

[Mein Teil]

With the birthrate at 1.3, Italians will figure out soon the only people to take care of them as they grow old will be the ones they are most intolerant of.Good Lord Ordie, what was your point with this post?

[Ordie]

Good Lord Ordie, what was your point with this post?

Italian population is getting old with a birthrate next to zero.
The people the Italians hate today will most likely be the same people who will feed them, change thier bed pans and wheel them around when they get old.

[Mein Teil]

Maybe the young will eat the old then. (sarcasim)

[Ordie]

Maybe the young will eat the old then. (sarcasim)

Italian youth (ages 1-45) tends to stay with mama to the bitter end and chooses not to marry or have kids.
There are more Italians in the Western Hemishpere than in Italy.

[Jµµso]

With the birthrate at 1.3, Italians will figure out soon the only people to take care of them as they grow old will be the ones they are most intolerant of.

Well, old people will eventually die off in future.

And I highly doubt these illegals will be changing your diapers any time soon.

[Mein Teil]

Italian youth (ages 1-45) tends to stay with mama to the bitter end and chooses not to marry or have kids.
There are more Italians in the Western Hemishpere than in Italy.And why is that a problem for you?

[Ordie]

And why is that a problem for you?

It not a problem with me.

It's a problem for Italy.

Unless they are able to increase the birthrate, or adopt a more progressive immigration policy they may shrink like Detroit with abandoned rural villages.
Italian cities may end up being tourist backdrops like Venice.

[Mein Teil]

It not a problem with me.

It's a problem for Italy.

Unless they are able to increase the birthrate, or adopt a more progressive immigration policy they may shrink like Detroit with abandoned rural villages.
Italian cities may end up being tourist backdrops like Venice............:cantbeli:

[Ordie]

...........:cantbeli:

Go to Venice.

A night its very dark because no one lives there.

[kimujnr]

This is the first time I have ever seen a "leftie" say stuff so politically incorrect that the "other guys" balked at. rofl

[Mein Teil]

This is the first time I have ever seen a "leftie" say stuff so politically incorrect that the "other guys" balked at. rofl
Just a different breed of Nazi IMO.
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/5626/georgebernardshaw2.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/georgebernardshaw2.jpg/)
“ I don’t want to punish anybody, but there are an extraordinary number of people who I might want to kill…I think it would be a good thing to make everybody come before a properly appointed board just as he might come before the income tax commissioner and say every 5 years or every 7 years…just put them there and say , ‘Sir or madam will you be kind enough to justify your existence…if you’re not producing as much as you consume or perhaps a little bit more then clearly we cannot use the big organization of our society for the purpose of keeping you alive. Because your life does not benefit us and it can’t be of very much use to yourself.’ George Bernard Shaw

[Havoc345]

Go to Venice.

A night its very dark because no one lives there.

You've become a parody of yourself.

[LuKaZz]

Go to Venice.

A night its very dark because no one lives there.

People have been forced out of Venice because of the extremely high real estate and living cost prices, not because there's not enough people to populate the area.

[secondo]

usual stuff take in 15,000 immigrants since january and then be criticized as intollerant and racist. Wanting them or not is not the matter where we will put them is.....italians need jobs we have high unemployment and it is right that italians get jobs in italy immigration is good but this is too much we cant take in all these people, and like always we get judged by others who dont know what they are talking about

[Mein Teil]

usual stuff take in 15,000 immigrants since january and then be criticized as intollerant and racist. Wanting them or not is not the matter where we will put them is.....italians need jobs we have high unemployment and it is right that italians get jobs in italy immigration is good but this is too much we cant take in all these people, and like always we get judged by others who dont know what they are talking aboutThe OP is fuul of cacca (idiota socialista in carica) if that makes you feel better ;).

[Podman]

This is the first time I have ever seen a "leftie" say stuff so politically incorrect that the "other guys" balked at. rofl

X2 Good for Ordie stating the facts for once. Most European countries are reproducing below the replacement rate for their populations. I disagree that importing uneducated Muslims is the solution, but there needs to be a solution since the Euro-welfare state will not the survive current demographic decline path that Europe is on. Numbers don't lie.

[secondo]

The OP is fuul of cacca (idiota socialista in carica) if that makes you feel better ;).
hahaha im good im good i was just saying what in my opinion happens a lot unfortunatley but whatever someone will always criticize you

[Breerman]

Media reporting on immigrants and minorities in Italy is portrayed in a negative light, and the impact of such reporting on the public perception of those communities, including Roma and Sinti, is cause for increased concern among representatives of anti-racist NGOs and media observers.
It's just the same leftie moonbats going off as usual. They hate Berlusconi so so so much. :) I can't say I like him, but the fact they dislike him so much must mean he can't be that bad. Afterall Italy is a nice and civilized, highly developed country and the Berlusconi era seems to have brought a certain level of political stability.

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/5223/berlusconi.jpg

[Ordie]

usual stuff take in 15,000 immigrants since january and then be criticized as intollerant and racist. Wanting them or not is not the matter where we will put them is.....italians need jobs we have high unemployment and it is right that italians get jobs in italy immigration is good but this is too much we cant take in all these people, and like always we get judged by others who dont know what they are talking about

What kinds of jobs are Italians willing to do?

[secondo]

any job...you see italians working in bars,construction workers,airport staff and other lower income jobs....

[Ordie]

It's just the same leftie moonbats going off as usual. They hate Berlusconi so so so much. :) I can't say I like him, but the fact they dislike him so much must mean he can't be that bad. Afterall Italy is a nice and civilized, highly developed country and the Berlusconi era seems to have brought a certain level of political stability.

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/5223/berlusconi.jpg

Do you call a leader of a nation having *** with a minor civilized?

[secondo]

Berlusconi is not italy unfortunatley he is our prime minister but berlusconi is not italy or italians and he has nothing to do with immigration. First worry about what your politicians do then worry about the others...

[Breerman]

Do you call a leader of a nation having *** with a minor civilized?
I haven't kept up with the campaign against Berlusconi. But no, I referred to the country, including the way it works under his leadership. Could be much worse.

[Snoshi]

It's just the same leftie moonbats going off as usual. They hate Berlusconi so so so much. :) I can't say I like him, but the fact they dislike him so much must mean he can't be that bad. Afterall Italy is a nice and civilized, highly developed country and the Berlusconi era seems to have brought a certain level of political stability.


Not sure if serious.. Take a look at the Italian economy and then at the its infrastructure especially in the south and then come back to me. The only reason why Berlusconi is just not removed is because he serves the big business quite well.

[PeterG]

With the birthrate at 1.3, Italians will figure out soon the only people to take care of them as they grow old will be the ones they are most intolerant of.

Yea, the romanian gypsies will take care of the italians when they get old. I'll try to remember that the same goes for us in Norway as well, the next time i'm close to kicking one of those romanian gypsies terrorizing us with their accordians, on every streetcorner in town. And begging everywhere, and stealing everything that isn't bolted down. I should be more positive towards them, since they're gonna 'take care' of me when i get old.

[Mein Teil]

Not sure if serious.. Take a look at the Italian economy and then at the its infrastructure especially in the south and then come back to me. The only reason why Berlusconi is just not removed is because he serves the big business quite well.
You think the Left had nothing to do with the failing economy in Italy...how about all of Europe for that matter? How are those green jobs working out for them?

[Ordie]

I haven't kept up with the campaign against Berlusconi. But no, I referred to the country, including the way it works under his leadership. Could be much worse.

Italians are caught between the traditional mafia and the political mafia. Where is the room for the squandered youth? Where is the Italian Sergey Brin? Italian Steve Jobs? Are they at home with mama or taking risks?

If the Mafia were to legitimize and switch from extortion to venture capital, Italy would be a better place.

[IconOfEvi]

Oh good God, why am I agreeing with Ordie? While the racism is not really an issue to me - to me, its more a reaction. The older and the younger people, even if they don't want to say it, they see it - the country they knew is slowly disappearing. I wouldn't call it 'sincere' or 'bigoted' racism - its an expression of frustration imo, so I wouldn't really be too scared of someone trying to jump me, beyond the usual suspects. Of course, this is largely their (Italians) fault, as Ordie pointed out, the TFR is 1.3 - lowest low. Italy is in a death spiral at the moment. Population will be halved by the next generation, and halved again after that.

But I digress - Europeans largely seem to understand this problem, and that they HAVE SOME kind of problem demographically - of course, some call it a minor drop (avg layman). Others (usually politicians) say that one can just import millions of foreigners to do the work Europeans used to do, hoping they just generate money for the natives and that they magically won't bring their religion and culture with them to the shores. Its better than Russia in a way - barely anyone believes there is a problem anymore.

[Paulmclaren51]

So once a fascist always a fascist?
If that's the way it is, that's the way it is.
Still doesn't stop the wave of immigrants going to Italy does it?

[Enosh]

I have an idea:
stop comming to italy, bam, no one will be racist against you, especialy not those dirty dirty Italians paying for your welfare

[b0sco]

Meanwhile, on Lampedusa

http://i.imgur.com/yXF4a.jpg

[Mackie]

Not sure if serious.. Take a look at the Italian economy and then at the its infrastructure especially in the south and then come back to me. The only reason why Berlusconi is just not removed is because he serves the big business quite well.

It's because they have over a dozen parties in the parliament. Italy has a problem with it's politics.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

You think the Left had nothing to do with the failing economy in Italy...how about all of Europe for that matter?Just how did the Italian left contribute to the failing economy?




How are those green jobs working out for them?Looking good on Green energy I am up 27.39% this month in that sector. ;)

[Snoshi]

You think the Left had nothing to do with the failing economy in Italy...how about all of Europe for that matter? How are those green jobs working out for them?

Nope.. The blame falls on the WallStreet and the big bankers and they are no leftists.

[secondo]

if you lived in italy you would understand the problem otherwise its just talk....

[Military-G]

if you lived in italy you would understand the problem otherwise its just talk....

lol exactly... You gotta love being lectured by people on the complete opposite side of the world who might have had a holiday in Italy and so can talk constant trash about something they dont even experience.

Italy is no more racist a country then anywhere else, With ordies wet dreams on roma gypos fueling his anti italian crap you may as well not feed the troll.

[kamaz]

how can anyone hate on Gipsy music? beats teh hell out of Andrea Botchelli or whatever other crap Italy produces these days.

[Military-G]

how can anyone hate on Gipsy music? beats teh hell out of Andrea Botchelli or whatever other crap Italy produces these days.

Hey now we have a fine music institution, Remember "im blue dabadee dabadie" those were our folks! ;)

[bababooey]

I admire that Italy is not bending over and taking every illegal immigrant that wants in. Why should they have to? They are a soveriegn country. Their citizens seem to overwhelmingly approve. My cousin emailed me a video of a Moroccan illegal getting the piss beat out of him by 4 policemen. No one dissapproved. I'm not saying its a good thing, but I think the Italian people know where they stand on illegals and demand that something be done. Whether they won't have someone to wipe their ass when they get old is their decision.

Is Italy doing anything different then gated communities, exclusive areas or even smaller towns in the US whose police ensure those who belong in the community are there?

[secondo]

how can anyone hate on Gipsy music? beats teh hell out of Andrea Botchelli or whatever other crap Italy produces these days.
awesome post man

[Military-G]

I admire that Italy is not bending over and taking every illegal immigrant that wants in. Why should they have to? They are a soveriegn country. Their citizens seem to overwhelmingly approve. My cousin emailed me a video of a Moroccan illegal getting the piss beat out of him by 4 policemen. No one dissapproved. I'm not saying its a good thing, but I think the Italian people know where they stand on illegals and demand that something be done. Whether they won't have someone to wipe their ass when they get old is their decision.

Is Italy doing anything different then gated communities, exclusive areas or even smaller towns in the US whose police ensure those who belong in the community are there?

We have taken well over 20 thousand at the begining of this year alone and once they are processed they are moved to all parts of Italy and given the chance to live a normal life. They arent treated badly at all... They are given more benefits and help then an italian citizen could get and yet we are still labeled with all this BS by ****s who probably havent even spent 1 month in the country. With our ****ed up economy we still do our part, Just because we havent built a golden palace for the roma and we dont let them get away with breaking rules we are EVIL!

So our police dont pussy out of confrontation.. Im glad they step up and kick the **** out of criminals, to many other countries the criminal gets their way.

[secondo]

crime has risen due to immigration. Italian police has a lot of limitation these days tho compared to other countries

[RICHICOQUI]

Ordie why don't you sponsor an gypsie family to stay with you for a month!! p-)

[bababooey]

So our police dont pussy out of confrontation.. Im glad they step up and kick the **** out of criminals, to many other countries the criminal gets their way.

Word.......

[ghostdog]

Rome (http://maps.google.com/?q=Rome%2C+Italy&z=4) - A shift of intolerance in Italy toward immigrants and minorities, reflected in politicians’ use of hateful speech, violence against vulnerable groups, and political discourse are leading to increased racism and xenophobic violence, a new report shows.

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/305135#ixzz1I7twuZ7x


Hey world ,are you joking us or what ??!!

We are receiving thousands of refugees and the only thing that neighboring states are doing is to strengthen border controls to prevent them from entering their homes . Now tell me ,who's the racist here ??!!


PS- Hey Ordie why don't you come over here to help these migrants ? You'd bring someone with you in California ;)

[Ordie]

PS- Hey Ordie why don't you come over here to help these migrants and bring someone with you in California ?

Better yet, I would be more than happy to organize the "get back to Italy" campaign. This campaign would help facilitate the reverse immigration of Italians from the US, Brazil and Argentina back to Italy to mitigate the population loss.

[ghostdog]

The only loss here is my time while I'm searching for your IQ my dear .

[Military-G]

Better yet, I would be more than happy to organize the "get back to Italy" campaign. This campaign would help facilitate the reverse immigration of Italians from the US, Brazil and Argentina back to Italy to mitigate the population loss.

Just keep those jersey shore folk for yourself k. woot

[Ordie]

Just keep those jersey shore folk for yourself k. woot

Snookie and Berlusconi deserve each other.

[Military-G]

The only loss here is my time while I'm searching for your IQ my dear .

Seek the secret Roma camp hidden in the valle d'aosta and there ye shall find the holy grail that tis Ordies IQ.

[Military-G]

Snookie and Berlusconi deserve each other.

If a ****** encounter with her fatass will finally kill him off I will take back my mockery, Unfortunately it would probably lead to a hybrid fat dumb bitch midget horndog billionaire offspring that would strike fear into the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse.

[ghostdog]

seek the secret roma camp hidden in the valle d'aosta and there ye shall find the holy grail that tis ordies iq.

lol !!::::::::::

[Ordie]

If a ****** encounter with her fatass will finally kill him off I will take back my mockery, Unfortunately it would probably lead to a hybrid fat dumb bitch midget horndog billionaire offspring that would strike fear into the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse.

I almost spit out my coffee....

Good one.

LOL

[gazell]

how can anyone hate on Gipsy music? beats teh hell out of Andrea Botchelli or whatever other crap Italy produces these days.

You are uninformed, what we are talking about, surely. This is not that bad even:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1HFEBHChSg

[JackTheRipper]

Not sure if serious.. Take a look at the Italian economy and then at the its infrastructure especially in the south and then come back to me. The only reason why Berlusconi is just not removed is because he serves the big business quite well.

everybody talk about south Italy but none talk about North ;)

an hightly industrialized area (one of the biggest in Europe), with a low unemployment rate and an high level of infrastructure.... how do you explain that Italy is the seventh economy in the world?

[Ordie]

everybody talk about south Italy but none talk about North ;)

an hightly industrialized area (one of the biggest in Europe), with a low unemployment rate and an high level of infrastructure.... how do you explain that Italy is the seventh economy in the world?

Why are there two Italy's?

Didn't the EU provide development funds to elevate poorer regions of Italy with the rest of Europe?

[ghostdog]

everybody talk about south Italy but none talk about North ;)

an hightly industrialized area (one of the biggest in Europe), with a low unemployment rate and an high level of infrastructure.... how do you explain that Italy is the seventh economy in the world?


This is the eternal struggle against stereotypes Jack ,your attempt to make distinctions is useless .Especially for Ordie we are all wop even though we were born and grew up into our borders .Just because a century ago his grandpa left an infamous small town from the south of Italy to Argentina ,he thinks that we should welcome with open arms each migrant from all around the world ,giving 'em a job and house .
Don't waste your time jack .

[JackTheRipper]

Why are there two Italy's?

Didn't the EU provide development funds to elevate poorer regions of Italy with the rest of Europe?

LOL
there are two Italy since 1861.. :D

just because before there were.... 100 Italys? ;) you should study a bit of History of this country.. then you will learn that unfortunately there will be two Italy forever....with or without EU


This is the eternal struggle against stereotypes Jack ,your attempt to make distinctions is useless .Especially for Ordie we are all wop even though we were born and grew up into our borders .Just because a century ago his grandpa left an infamous small town from the south of Italy to Argentina ,he thinks that we should welcome with open arms each migrant from all around the world ,giving 'em a job and house .
Don't waste your time jack .

maybe you are right fantasma ;) but i will always try to explain just few thing about our unlucky country.... almost impossible, i know....

[Ordie]

LOL
there are two Italy since 1861.. :D

just because before there were.... 100 Italys? ;) you should study a bit of History of this country.. then you will learn that unfortunately there will be two Italy forever....with or without EU
...

The irony is that overseas Italians consider the nation as a single united Italy.

[Tyon]

That was covered by the Sopranos. Italians abroad usually dont know ****.

[Ordie]

That was covered by the Sopranos. Italians abroad usually dont know ****.

Of course not.
The Italy in thier minds is the Italy of their Grandparents. (Church going, large families, social conservatives, pasta dinners every Sunday afternoon)
Many don't speak Italian today because modern Italian (Florentine) was not spoken by the first immigrants. Plus many acculturated themselves into being Americans, Argentines, or Brazilians during WW2.

Italians look at overseas Italians as peasants stuck in a timewarp.

The irony here is that there's more Italians overseas than in Italy and that number will grow. Italy may need to create more liberal policies in extending citizenship rights and benefits to the overseas Italians to save Italy.

Italy should copy from the Israelis and set up programs to sponsor overseas Italian youth to spend summers and study in Italy. With the hopes they may settle in Italy and start families. These kids may have fresh ideas, energy and may contrubute to the Italian society at large. These kids are not bound by regional identity, they are diverse, and have international connections. It would be stupid for Italy not to invest in a program such as this.

[ghostdog]

That was covered by the Sopranos. Italians abroad usually dont know ****.

Those ones you call "Italians" are foreign to us .It's time you call these people for what they are :Americans ,Argentinians,Brazilians etc .
Sounds very ridiculous that they are maybe at the fourth,fifth generation and you still call them :Irish,Italians,Polish,Spanish ,especially since you are not American Natives but nothing more than a product of that meltin'pot mixture .

[Ordie]

Those you call "Italians" are foreign to us.

But you have no issue in selecting Argentines or Brazilians for the national football squad. Especially Mario Balotelli.

[ghostdog]

From wiki:


Mario Barwuah Balotelli (born 12 August 1990 in Palermo ITALY ) Balotelli was born in Palermo, Italy, to Ghanaian immigrants Thomas and Rose Barwuah. The family moved to Bagnolo Mella in the province of Brescia, Lombardy

About Brazilian and Argentinian players , a legal trick does not means they are Italians .

[Ozzy[NO]]

But you have no issue in selecting Argentines or Brazilians for the national football squad. Especially Mario Balotelli.

Hmm, born in Palermo, his parents were Ghanian(I think) immigrants. He was fostered at age 2 or 3 to an Italian couple. What exactly is the problem with him playing on the Italian national team? Your "facts" about Italy is always fun to read.

[Tyon]

Those ones you call "Italians" are foreign to us .It's time you call these people for what they are :Americans ,Argentinians,Brazilians etc .
Sounds very ridiculous that they are maybe at the fourth,fifth generation and you still call them :Irish,Italians,Polish,Spanish ,especially since you are not American Natives but nothing more than a product of that meltin'pot mixture .

My southern almost neighbour iam german and know how so called "americans with german heritage" are. You dont have convince me. ;)
To me they are also just americans.




Of course not.
The Italy in thier minds is the Italy of their Grandparents. (Church going, large families, social conservatives, pasta dinners every Sunday afternoon)
Many don't speak Italian today because modern Italian (Florentine) was not spoken by the first immigrants. Plus many acculturated themselves into being Americans, Argentines, or Brazilians during WW2.

Italians look at overseas Italians as peasants stuck in a timewarp.

The irony here is that there's more Italians overseas than in Italy and that number will grow. Italy may need to create more liberal policies in extending citizenship rights and benefits to the overseas Italians to save Italy.

Italy should copy from the Israelis and set up programs to sponsor overseas Italian youth to spend summers and study in Italy. With the hopes they may settle in Italy and start families. These kids may have fresh ideas, energy and may contrubute to the Italian society at large. These kids are not bound by regional identity, they are diverse, and have international connections. It would be stupid for Italy not to invest in a program such as this.

Just because someone had at some point in history an italian in his family tree doesnt make him italian.
If it would work like that i would be polish, italian and various german subnationalities. You know why it doesnt work that way? Because its stupid.