Desert Rescue XI

[He219]

Desert Rescue XI at Naval Air Station (NAS) Fallon, Nev.:

Alas, Fresh SEAL pic's......

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030807-F-7823A-019 Naval Air Station Fallon, Nev. (Aug. 7, 2003) -- Navy SEAL (Sea, Air and Land) Team members secure a U.S. Embassy as part of a non-combatant evacuation exercise during Desert Rescue XI at Naval Air Station (NAS) Fallon, Nev. The exercise simulates the rescue of downed aircrew behind enemy lines enabling other aircrews to perform Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR) related missions as well as experiment with new techniques in realistic scenarios. Desert Rescue XI is a joint service CSAR training exercise hosted by the Naval Strike and Warfare Center. U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Aaron D. Allmon II (RELEASED)

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030806-F-5435R-023 Naval Air Station Fallon, Nev. (Aug. 6, 2003) -- A HH-60H Seahawk helicopter departs after delivering Navy SEAL (Sea, Air and Land) Team members in response to a simulated crash during exercise Desert Rescue XI at Naval Air Station (NAS) Fallon, Nev. The exercise simulates the rescue of downed aircrew behind enemy lines enabling other aircrews to perform Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR) related missions as well as experiment with new techniques in realistic scenarios. Desert Rescue XI is a joint service CSAR training exercise hosted by the Naval Strike and Warfare Center. U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Aaron D. Allmon II. (RELEASED)


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030806-F-7823A-003 Naval Air Station Fallon, Nev. (Aug. 6, 2003) -- U.S. Navy SEAL (Sea, Air and Land) Team members secure a downed pilot for extraction at Naval Air Station (NAS) Fallon, Nev. as part of Desert Rescue XI. The exercise simulates the rescue of downed aircrew behind enemy lines enabling other aircrews to perform Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR) related missions as well as experiment with new techniques in realistic scenarios. Desert Rescue XI is a joint service CSAR training exercise hosted by the Naval Strike and Warfare Center. U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Aaron D. Allmon II. (RELEASED)


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030807-F-4884R-018 Naval Air Station Fallon, Nev. (Aug. 7, 2003) -- A Navy SEAL (Sea, Air and Land) Team member provides security from a rooftop as part of a non-combatant evacuation exercise during Desert Rescue XI at Naval Air Station (NAS) Fallon, Nev. The exercise simulates the rescue of downed aircrew behind enemy lines enabling other aircrews to perform Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR) related missions as well as experiment with new techniques in realistic scenarios. Desert Rescue XI is a joint service CSAR training exercise hosted by the Naval Strike and Warfare Center. U. S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. Scott Reed. (RELEASED)

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030806-F-7823A-006 Naval Air Station Fallon, Nev. (Aug. 6, 2003) -- U.S. Navy SEAL (Sea, Air and Land) Team members secure a landing zone as part of a downed pilot scenario during Desert Rescue XI at Naval Air Station (NAS) Fallon, Nev. The exercise simulates the rescue of downed aircrew behind enemy lines enabling other aircrews to perform Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR) related missions as well as experiment with new techniques in realistic scenarios. Desert Rescue XI is a joint service CSAR training exercise hosted by the Naval Strike and Warfare Center. U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Aaron D. Allmon II. (RELEASED)

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030811-F-7823A-002 Naval Air Station Fallon, Nev. (Aug. 11, 2003) -- U.S. Air Force Pararescuemen from Moody Air Force Base Ga., prepare to parachute out of an HC-130 Talon II to secure a downed pilot for extraction during a scenario at Naval Air Station (NAS) Fallon, Nev. as part of Desert Rescue XI. The exercise simulates the rescue of downed aircrew behind enemy lines enabling other aircrews to perform Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR) related missions as well as experiment with new techniques in realistic scenarios. Desert Rescue XI is a joint service CSAR training exercise hosted by the Naval Strike and Warfare Center. U.S.Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Aaron D. Allmon II. (RELEASED)


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030811-F-4884R-001 Naval Air Station Fallon, Nev. (Aug. 11, 2003) -- Lt. Ryan Hayes, a HH-60 Seahawk helicopter pilot assigned to the “Red Lions” of Helicopter Anti-Submarine Squadron Fifteen (HS-15), talks to rescue forces as Lt. Brian Boeding, an A-10 Thunderbolt II pilot, uses a signal mirror to help airborne crews locate their position during a Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR) training mission in support of Desert Rescue XI at Naval Air Station (NAS) Fallon, Nev. The exercise simulates the rescue of downed aircrew behind enemy lines enabling other aircrews to perform CSAR related missions as well as experiment with new techniques in realistic scenarios. Desert Rescue XI is a joint service CSAR training exercise hosted by the Naval Strike and Warfare Center. U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. Scott Reed. (RELEASED)


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030811-F-5435R-003 Naval Air Station Fallon, Nev. (Aug. 11, 2003) -- A survivor is found and examined for injuries before being loaded onto a HH-60 Seahawk helicopter during a search and rescue exercise in support of Desert Rescue XI at Naval Air Station (NAS) Fallon, Nev. The exercise simulates the rescue of downed aircrew behind enemy lines enabling other aircrews to perform Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR) related missions as well as experiment with new techniques in realistic scenarios. Desert Rescue XI is a joint service CSAR training exercise hosted by the Naval Strike and Warfare Center. U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Reynaldo Ramon. (RELEASED)

[ShotOver]

You little beauty...

Thanks for the great photos mate :D
You got any high-res?

[He219]

Done!


Thanks.
;)

[Argyll]

Very nice He 219!!
Thanks man!!

[ShotOver]

Yeah mate, great pics.

Can anyone tell me what gun this is?

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Looks like a newer M60E3 or somthing :|

[Sirpad]

It is, as you said, M60E3. Nothing new about it.

[Sundowner]

To be exact: it's Mk 43 Mod. 0 (SEALs Modified M60E4) http://www.m60central.com/mk43mod0.html

[ShotOver]

Yeah, i knew it was a E4 or E3, cheers for the info mate :D

[budanski]

KUDOS He219!!!


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Wasnt he one of the BUDS in training on the Discovery Channel's Special - Navy SEALs Training: BUD/s Class 234?

[Trigger]

You beat me to it quick draw! Nice post woot

Air Force is playing too:
Nice desktop
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NAVAL AIR STATION FALLON, Nev. -- An HH-60 Pave Hawk helicopter from the 41st Rescue Squadron moves into position behind an HC-130N from the 71st Rescue Squadron for an aerial refueling mission on Aug. 13. Both units are from Moody Air Force Base, Ga., participating in Desert Rescue XI. The joint-service combat search and rescue training exercise simulates downed aircrew behind enemy lines and allows airmen to practice rescue-related missions. They also experiment with new techniques in realistic scenarios. (U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. Scott Reed)
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NAVAL AIR STATION FALLON, Nev. -- An Air Force pararescueman prepares to parachute out of an HC-130 here during Desert Rescue XI on Aug. 11. The airman is assigned to the 347th Rescue Wing at Moody Air Force Base, Ga. The joint-service combat search and rescue training exercise simulates downed aircrew behind enemy lines and allows airmen to practice rescue-related missions. They also experiment with new techniques in realistic scenarios. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Aaron D. Allmon II)
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[HumanShield]

Desert Rescue XI at Naval Air Station (NAS) Fallon, Nev.:

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Take a look at their m4s.
The barrels are not the right length. Are those some sort of m4 shorty...or is the barrel shorter to work with the MILES systems they are using?
And can some one give me a name of the stock that they are using? Ive seen them used on airsoft guns before, but i dont remember the name of it.

Thanks

[Chet Mystery]

Stock is a Crane stock, it can hold batteries for the Aimpoint, lasers, etc. in it.

The shorter barrel is the M4 CQB 11 inch barrel, prefered by SEALS for its shorter length in CQB situations. All you do is swap out the upper reciever with a new one with the shorter barrel.

[fisheyestudio]

Hey howdy hey!

Thank you for posting the Hi Res shots.

In the photo of the soldier standing by the tree and the pilot kneeling underneath, the standing soldier seems to have a cover pulled over a pro-tec or some other similar helmet. Anyone know more about this?

Jesus blessings!
chris holloman

[HumanShield]

Stock is a Crane stock, it can hold batteries for the Aimpoint, lasers, etc. in it.

The shorter barrel is the M4 CQB 11 inch barrel, prefered by SEALS for its shorter length in CQB situations. All you do is swap out the upper reciever with a new one with the shorter barrel.

Hey thanks....now that you say the name of the stock i remember it. And i figured it was a shorter barrel for some reason...just didnt know if it was because of miles or not
Thanks for clearing things up

[jones]

Well done that man, bloody great pics.

[atnadastra]

KUDOS He219!!!


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Wasnt he one of the BUDS in training on the Discovery Channel's Special - Navy SEALs Training: BUD/s Class 234?

You mean the guy who kept getting into trouble because of his attitude problem? It sure looks like him.

[warchild1/27scout]

that guys wearing a halo skydiving helmet.

[Chops]

Sorry to be a pedantic prick but the CQB barrel is 10.5 inches...

Nice photos though!

rgds fellas

Pedantic Old Chop Chop

[He219]

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Three A-10 Thunderbolts from the 118th Fighter Squadron of the Connecticut Air National Guard return from a training mission at Desert Rescue IX, a search-and-rescue training exercise, Aug. 12. The joint-service training mission was hosted by the Naval Strike and Warfare Center at Naval Air Station Fallon, Nev. U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. Scott Reed

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NAVAL AIR STATION FALLON, Nev. -- Staff Sgt. Jonas Concepcion performs post-flight checks on an A-10 Thunderbolt II following a mission at Desert Rescue XI, Aug. 12. The joint-service combat search and rescue training exercise simulates downed aircrew behind enemy lines and allows airmen to practice rescue-related missions. Concepcion is a crew chief from the 118th Fighter Squadron, Connecticut Air National Guard, Bradley Field. (U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. Scott Reed)

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NAVAL AIR STATION FALLON, Nev. -- Tech. Sgt. Mark Riensche uses a signaling device to alert search and rescue forces of his location during Desert Rescue XI. The joint-service combat search and rescue training exercise simulates downed aircrew behind enemy lines and allows airmen to practice rescue-related missions. They also experiment with new techniques in realistic scenarios. (U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. Scott Reed)



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NAVAL AIR STATION FALLON, Nev. -- Staff Sgt. Zachary Gyokeres, a flight engineer, 41st Rescue Squadron, Moody Air Force Base, Ga., watches for power lines and other hazards during a training exercise at Desert Rescue XI, Aug. 13th. The joint-service combat search and rescue training exercise simulates downed aircrew behind enemy lines and allows airmen to practice rescue-related missions. (U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. Scott Reed)

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NAVAL AIR STATION FALLON, Nev. -- Staff Sgt. Aaron Allmon (right), a photographer from the 1st Combat Camera Squadron, documents an aerial refueling mission during Desert Rescue XI, Aug. 13. The joint-service combat search and rescue training exercise simulates downed aircrew behind enemy lines and allows airmen to practice rescue-related missions. (U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. Scott Reed)

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NAVAL AIR STATION FALLON, Nev. -- An HC 130 from the 71st Rescue Squadron at Moody Air Force Base, Ga., drops pararescuemen and equipment Aug. 11 during a joint-service combat search and rescue exercise here. Desert Rescue XI is a training exercise that simulates downed aircrew behind enemy lines and allows airmen to practice rescue-related missions. They also experiment with new techniques in realistic scenarios. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Reynaldo Ramon)

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030805-F-4884R-002 Naval Air Station Fallon, Nev. (Aug. 5, 2003) -- Aviation Warfare Systems Operator 1st Class Ivan Diaz inspects the door gun in preparation for a mission during Desert Rescue XI. Diaz is a Door Gunner assigned to Helicopter Anti-Submarine Squadron Two (HS-2). Desert Rescue XI is a joint forces Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR) training exercise hosted by the Naval Strike and Warfare Center, Naval Air Station Fallon, Nev. The exercise simulates down aircrew behind enemy lines enabling other aircrew to perform CSAR related missions as well as experiment with new techniques in realistic scenarios. U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. Scott Reed. (RELEASED)


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030805-F-4884R-008 Naval Air Station Fallon, Nev. (Aug. 5, 2003) -- Aviation Warfare Systems Operator 2nd Class Steve Alcaraz, a door gunner assigned to Helicopter Anti-Submarine Squadron Two (HS-2), fires an M-240 machine gun during Desert Rescue XI. Desert Rescue is a joint forces Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR) exercise that simulates the rescue of aircrew grounded behind enemy lines. U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. Scott Reed. (RELEASED)

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The Joint Unmanned Air Vehicle Experiment Program consisting of British and Israeli contractors work together controlling the UAV which can be used in various aspects of the mission during Desert Rescue XI, Aug. 13, 2003. The UAV (http://www.juav.jte.osd.mil/JUAVWeb/juavsched.aspx) is able to identify and locate survivors, detect threats near the survivor, and then exploit the data ready to be analyzed and interpreted. Desert Rescue XI is a Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR) training exercise hosted by the Naval Strike and Warfare Center, Naval Air Station Fallon, Nev. The exercise simulated down aircrew behind enemy lines enabling other air crew to perform CSAR related missions as well as experiment with new techniques in realistic scenarios. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Reynaldo Ramon) (Released)




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A U.S. Navy SEAL gives commands during a downed pilot extraction at Fallon Naval Air Station (NAS) as part of Desert Rescue XI on Aug. 6, 2003. Desert Rescue XI is a joint service Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR) training exercise hosted by the Naval Strike and Warfare Center, NAS Fallon, Nev. The exercise simulates down aircrew behind enemy lines enabling other aircrew to perform CSAR related missions as well as experiment with new techniques in realistic scenarios. (U.S. Air Force photo by U.S. Air Force Staff Sgt. Aaron D. Allmon II) (Released)

[zerominusten]

Actually "Lively" was the one who had the attitude problem, and that's definitely not him. I just got the DVD set last week so it's still fresh in my mind.

[hood]

right, not lively, but almost definitely one of the other guys in that class. nice to see him stick with it. :)

[James]

That guy in the picture was either an Ensign or a LT (jg). Lively was the happy faced bald headed smartass. :D

[DE_Six]

Interesting PowerPoint about the 10" CQBR receiver used by the SEALs in the first pictures.

www.dtic.mil/ndia/2003smallarms/john.ppt

[red5326]

that one is M60 E4
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[OzMan]

Lively was also the one who breezed through Phase 1 of BUD/s, including Hell Week. On the firing range he missed most of his targets because he had his nighttime sights up.

I think you guys are talking about Ensign Legg.

[Seiyuuki]

that one is M60 E4
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M60 E4??? The M60 is still around in U.S. inventory???

[FallenAngel]

yeah, but the SEALs are the only ones who use them I believe, and the E4 version is about as good as an M60 can get. They've been replaced by the M240 series (modified FN MAG) in regular units.

I've always wondered how the US could take the beautifully simple and efficient and deadly MG42 and turn out a piece of crap that is the M60. :roll:

[Scrim]

How about they are not using MILES gear, those are BFAs(blank firing adapter) on their rifles.

[Ryan94]

Maybe, the hust wanted to train Tactics and nor enemy contact... but i don´t know ;)

[He219]

http://www.waffenhq.de/infanterie/mg74-02.jpg


I've always wondered how the US could take the beautifully simple and efficient and deadly MG42 and turn out a piece of crap that is the M60.

FallenAngel:
I agree that the MG42 is one of the finest Light Machine Guns invented. It is currently still in use as the MG3, CETME Ameli and MG42/59/74. The trouble with the MG42 is that the barrel must be changed quite often due to the high 1,250-1,300 rpm rate of fire.

Look at this Video (http://www.militarycity.com/blackwater/videos/M60E4.wmv) of an M60E4/M43 Mod. 0 firing 850 rounds consecutively at 550 rpm; posted by GLax.

[red5326]

He219 wrote:

I agree that the MG42 is one of the finest Light Machine Guns invented. It is currently still in use as the MG3, CETME Ameli and MG42/59/74. The trouble with the MG42 is that the barrel must be changed quite often due to the high 1,250-1,300 rpm rate of fire.

But that problem doesn't occur in the M60. The M60 can fire until the barrel turning white hot but u can still keep on firing and the enemy just keeps on dieing. That's why The Seal team basicly carry this weapon.

[HooyahCQB]

lol Red. Nice documentary quote! But you're right though.

[He219]

But that problem doesn't occur in the M60
All barrels wear out relative to their quality, rate of fire and use. The M60 is a derivative of the MG42. The MG74 has a reduced fire rate between 250-850 rpm

SEALs are not the only ones still using the M60
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Even M2 barrels wear out:
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^See it on the hood?

[JunglistSoldier]

I can't understand why they use the utter piece of crap that is the M60. It had it's days, now there are so many better weapons out there.

And no, it's not a protec nor a "HALO helmet", it's a flightcrew helmet.

[Argyll]

If you're refering to the helmet that the Officer(at the bridge) is wearing,you're wrong,it not a flight crew helmet either!!
It is an IBH(Integrated Ballistic Helmet),used by SOF.
If you're refering to the pics of the guys with the MG42 you're still wrong,as that's a Tank crew helmet!!

[ArmNav]

Hey you guys I was just recently on the Amphibious Base in Cornado with my youth Navy group the U.S. Naval Sea Cadet Corps. We were in the NEX and I heard someone talking loud and looked up and I saw Lively, the guy on TV. Some of the other cadets picked him out too

[JunglistSoldier]

If you're refering to the helmet that the Officer(at the bridge) is wearing,you're wrong,it not a flight crew helmet either!!
It is an IBH(Integrated Ballistic Helmet),used by SOF.
If you're refering to the pics of the guys with the MG42 you're still wrong,as that's a Tank crew helmet!!

Hey numbnuts, I really don't like your tone.

I was referring to the helmets worn by the guys on page 1 who are "rescuing" that downed crewman from under that tree, you can see a landed chopper in the background.

[hood]

So what tells you that the barrel needs changing like in the picture above with the M2? (other than it exploding) Do you keep track of the number of rounds fired or is there a more specific way?

[Trigger]

Maybe they count ammo boxes and when they go through the designated number of boxes they change barrels?
Just a guess.

[ibstolidude]

it's just like testing baby's food/water temp - use a sensitive part of your skin like inner wrist or better yet your cheek and place it gently on the barrell to test....

(I couldn't help myself ... we were expending rounds one day and were using several weapons...we had a hot pile and a yet to be used pile. some asshole failed to notice which pile was which and some other asshole (me) set his hand down so it was touching on of the hot barrells in the 'not used yet' pile...think burnt pizza cheese)

edited cause: damn my grammar sucks.

[JiJoMacLE45]

This gentleman was the class leader.

[thatguy96]

M60 E4??? The M60 is still around in U.S. inventory???
Amazingly enough, one just can seem to get rid of the damn thing, even though I don't think its half as bad a weapon as people claim it to be (especially in its current/E4 form).

You see pictures of US forces, Army, Marines, Air Force (MPs and such), with the "pig", in various forms. The picture that was posted in here already is of some guy with an E3 (which was a horrible "improvement"), but I've seen pics of standard config M60s (either old stock or possibly new, but I doubt that), usually mounted on vehicles or helicopters.

The truth is, a lot of soldiers believe that the M240 was adopted as a co-ax and pintle mounted weapon, and should not have also been adopted as an infantry weapon (hell, look at the Marines, who's M240's (M240G's) have been "lightened"). That's probably changing now, but I have heard that from people. The further truth is: the M60 shoots bullets, kills the enemy, and works, if not completely reliably (but the day someone builds a gun w/ an infinite MRBF, I think...face it, it ain't gonna happen), and in terms of the US military, they're there, easy to request, easy to rig up, and provide extra firepower where firepower is needed.

[He219]

So what tells you that the barrel needs changing like in the picture above with the M2? (other than it exploding) Do you keep track of the number of rounds fired or is there a more specific way?

There are many variables that can increase barrel life, most notably a 'heavier barrel' with more barrel mass acting as a heat sink and a greater heat radiation area on the outside diameter. Flouting or Cooling Fins are another means of increasing surface area.

The most obvious indications to barrel wear come with the effects of reduced accuracy. Heat causes metal to expand. Rounds will either fall short, wild or both. Back-pressure is reduced when a barrel wears out. A barrel will explode only if there is significant metal fatigue or if an extreme back-pressure situation exists, such as a 'plugged' barrel.

http://www.sfu.ca/casr/m2-3.gif


M2HB — the Browning ‘.50 Calibre’
The current model of M2, or ‘50 cal’, dates back to WWII. The famous Belgian gunmaker, FN-Herstal, still produces this weapon as the M2HB-QCB (or Quick Change Barrel). ‘HB’ is for Heavy Barrel, essential when sustained-firing the powerful 12.7mm rounds. Machinegun barrels usually require replacing due to overheating. A heavy barrel obviously absorbs more heat and then dissipates it faster. Barrel wear is thereby reduced and barrels need changing less frequently* — when a change is required, the QCB feature greatly speeds the process.

Most of the M2's disavantages can also be seen in a positive light — eg: a relatively slow cyclic rate also contributes to the gun’s impressive accuracy.

The ‘light’ M2 could only fire 75-round bursts before overheating the barrel. Since this was unacceptable for sustained-fire, the M2HB was developed — but at a cost of an added 18kg. ‘Quick Change Barrels’ are really a modernization bringing the M2 in line with GPMGs.

Source (http://www.sfu.ca/casr/101-m2.htm)

Many people have developed formulas and theories. The inputs and variables are far too great to determine a scientific model and fundamentally operating techniques are non-linear and far from idealized in combat and military applications. More Here (http://yarchive.net/gun/barrel/barrel_life.html).

Hope this helped!

:P

[thatguy96]

Barrels aren't just metal tubes in most cases, they're usually coated in something or another...when that melts off, you need to change the barrel...;)

[hood]

ah, great info. so in the example of the most recent gulf war, they showed lots of guys on the tops of tanks with these things. if they're just firing short bursts here and there, driving, fire another few, they probably don't have to replace it often i'm taking it...

[thatguy96]

If you're not firing off hundreds of rounds in at a go, then you might be able to get away with not changing the barrel during the whole course of the battle/engagement/whatever. I mean you don't see riflemen having to change the barrels on their individual weapons, and this is the same basic point, just on a smaller scale (on a note, I was once present when someone put 90 rounds in short order through a semi-auto AR-15/M16 carbine, put 30 of them through it myself, basically rapidfiring as fast as we could...and the damn thing we visibly smoking after the fact; so it takes a lot fewer rounds to put the barrel in the danger zone, but it also takes a lot less time to cool off...guys behind a machinegun might not have the time option...so they have the ability to swap out the weapon's barrel)

[Argyll]

Hey junglist,bite me!
I don't care much for yours either,if you actually read my reply,you'll see it refered to the other pics I thought the guy was refering too,so back off ,and chill man.

What exactly is it about the tone you don't like,that it was making a point?
Same way you did.................!!!!?

[Chris196]

Sorry to be a pedantic prick but the CQB barrel is 10.5 inches...




Not to be an even bigger prick, but it's actually 10.3"

[James]

ah, great info. so in the example of the most recent gulf war, they showed lots of guys on the tops of tanks with these things. if they're just firing short bursts here and there, driving, fire another few, they probably don't have to replace it often i'm taking it...

Exactly.

When one reads about weapons specifications, esp. for military weapons, they will often show a cyclic rate and a sustained fire rate. THe cyclic rate for an M249 (Minimi across the pond) is over 700 rpm, but the sustained rate is less than 100 rpm. If a barrel gets too hot, one risks having a runaway gun, where tha ammo is cooking off even though the trigger isn't being held down. Barrels can get hot enough to melt, also. I knew a young Marine who did this with an M60E3. About 3 or 4 inches back from the muzzle, the barrel wilted, but the bullets kept on going and punched an extra hole :o ... Said Marine had to do a great amount of paperwork and push ups :oops: .

Many times when a unit is conducting an assault on a fixed position, they will set up multiple machine guns to provide suppressive fire. THese guns work toghether... "Talking Guns". One gun will fire a burst, then the other, over and over. That way, there is constant and rapid suppressive fire going into the area, and the guns can keep it up for a long time, because they are cooperating.

Here is info from www.USMC.mil about the M60E3



Cyclic: 550 rounds per minute
Rapid: 100 rounds per minute*
Sustained: 100 rounds per minute*
(* with barrel changes at each 100 rounds)


The weapon is quite capable of firing more than 100 rounds, in fact many more. But, if the barrel is changed every 100 rounds, one can theoretically fire indefinitely. A good gun team can swap a barrel in about 5-10 sec., and at 550 rpm, the weapon will eat 100 rounds in about 11 seconds. Gun crews don't carry dozens of extra barrels, usually only one. In reality, they won't fire 100 rds, swap barrels, fire another 100, and then swap again with the barrel they removed a few moments earlier. A few good rules to follow - when accuracy slackens noticeably, or when the barrel is glowing a dull red, it is probably time to change it. ;)

[nemov3]

The guy in the picture who was in the BUD/s video class 234 was not the class leader. He was an officer by the name of Legg. He was the one (other then lively) who was smiling all the time.

-nemo

[MK133]

yep, he was from 234 for sure! He was getting into trouble because his boat crew was doing poorly all the time. BUT he graduated! So good for him, he will have a good time! p-)

[Tinku]

I am pretty sure that the M60 is a gas-operated gun (see gas cylinder), and the MG 42 is a delayed-blowback gun with roller-locks. So they are completely different weapons. Can anyone confirm this?

Tinku

[flickme]

http://www.af.mil/media/photodb/web/web_030813-F-4884R-005.jpg
NAVAL AIR STATION FALLON, Nev. -- An HH-60 Pave Hawk helicopter from the 41st Rescue Squadron moves into position behind an HC-130N from the 71st Rescue Squadron for an aerial refueling mission on Aug. 13. Both units are from Moody Air Force Base, Ga., participating in Desert Rescue XI. The joint-service combat search and rescue training exercise simulates downed aircrew behind enemy lines and allows airmen to practice rescue-related missions. They also experiment with new techniques in realistic scenarios. (U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. Scott Reed)

my dad was a flight engineer with the 41st RQS at Moody a few years back, he retired now. Thats awesome.

[General Zod]

http://www.news.navy.mil/management/photodb/webphoto/web_030807-F-4884R-018.jpg
Hi-Res (http://www.news.navy.mil/management/photodb/photos/030807-F-4884R-018.jpg)

030807-F-4884R-018 Naval Air Station Fallon, Nev. (Aug. 7, 2003) -- A Navy SEAL (Sea, Air and Land) Team member provides security from a rooftop as part of a non-combatant evacuation exercise during Desert Rescue XI at Naval Air Station (NAS) Fallon, Nev. The exercise simulates the rescue of downed aircrew behind enemy lines enabling other aircrews to perform Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR) related missions as well as experiment with new techniques in realistic scenarios. Desert Rescue XI is a joint service CSAR training exercise hosted by the Naval Strike and Warfare Center. U. S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. Scott Reed. (RELEASED)

What type of mount is that on the M68? It seems to be pretty popular amongst the SEALs.

[Some Guy]

What type of mount is that on the M68? It seems to be pretty popular amongst the SEALs.

It is a Wilcox industries aimpoint mount- a copy of the Precision Reflex tall Aimpoint mount.

[General Zod]

Thanks for the info.

[bigjeff]

nice photos! woot

[General Zod]

Does the "cut-down rear sight" have an official designation? Or is it simply known as the "cut-down rear sight"?

[TacoDelRio]

I'd tell you, Zod, but your "location" precludes me form doing so.

I have ALL THE ANSWERS! (In this littlebook here!)

[General Zod]

Why's that?

[tenda]

really nice pic's tnx... ;)

[mateona06]

I am pretty sure that the M60 is a gas-operated gun (see gas cylinder), and the MG 42 is a delayed-blowback gun with roller-locks. So they are completely different weapons. Can anyone confirm this?

Tinku

You're right, they do work on different mechanisms, but they both serve the same purpose. The M-60 family has just been modified to be handeled by one individual. I think those German fans were thinking the same should be done with the great MG family.

[Boneman]

http://www.news.navy.mil/management/photodb/webphoto/web_030807-F-4884R-018.jpg

Just finished watching the SEALs BUDS class 234 videos. Looks like it's 'Legg'. He had the boat crew that kept on winning all the evolution races.

Great DVD set BTW! Highly reccomend picking it up if you haven't already.

[BadTolz]

http://www.news.navy.mil/management/photodb/webphoto/web_030807-F-4884R-018.jpg



This was bothering me all weekend. I remember seeing the face and couldn't place him. I was thinking some HBO movie but yes he was on the SEAL documentary.

[DE_Six]

One more SEAL pic:

http://www.af.mil/news/airman/0904/030807-f-4884r-006.jpg

[Aerosoul]

What a lovely thread.

[He219]

One more SEAL pic:

http://www.af.mil/news/airman/0904/airmen2.jpg
nice!

An Air Force HH-60G Pave Hawk lands to extract U.S. personnel as a Navy SEAL calls in more air support during a Non-Combatant Evacuation training exercise at Desert Rescue XI. Desert Rescue is a joint service Combat Search and Rescue exercise hosted by the Naval Strike and Warfare Center, Naval Air Station Fallon, Nev.

[DPGLAW]

Not sure if anyone cares but I am pretty sure that the SEAL in the 5th pic from the top is one of the SEALs from the discovery channel BUD/S series...I am sure I remember his face, those eyebrows really stick out...lol

[Aerosoul]

Not sure if anyone cares but I am pretty sure that the SEAL in the 5th pic from the top is one of the SEALs from the discovery channel BUD/S series...I am sure I remember his face, those eyebrows really stick out...lol

Read the thread, that's been discussed.

[He219]

Not sure if anyone cares but I am pretty sure that the SEAL in the 5th pic from the top is one of the SEALs from the discovery channel BUD/S series...I am sure I remember his face, those eyebrows really stick out...lol
You're not the only one. Read some of the previous posts ...
;)

[BlackFlag]

good to see the M60...that baby kicks major ass