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pokel
08-24-2004, 12:59 PM
The Forgotten 'Elite' Units
Source: Tempo, No. 13/IV, Desember 02 - 08, 2003

AFTER the Bali bombings of October 12, 2002, Indonesian Military (TNI) commander General Endriartono Sutarto announced he would reactivate the Special Anti-Terror Task Force. Two months later, Defense Minister Matori Abdul Djalil visited TNI's "elite of elites". The following are details of the various units within the TNI.

Group 5/Terror Prevention, Army Special Forces (Kopassus)

This group had its origins in the establishment of Kopassus Detachment 81 in 1997. The group is battalion strength and has special fighting abilities. The name of the detachment is taken from the incident when hostages on a hijacked Garuda plane at Bangkok's Don Muang Airport were freed in Operation Woyla in April 1981. It was subsequently named the 81 Anti-Terror Unit.

The group is divided into small units with specific skills such as climbing attack troops (dakibu). This unit can climb buildings using ways the enemy will not suspect such as climbing sanitation pipes and can carry out short range attacks inside buildings or in city streets to anticipate sabotage and hostage taking. This ability to climb steep slopes was tested when Kopassus dakibu scaled the Sigura-gura waterfall in North Sumatra in 1985.

Special Tracking Unit (Sanjak)

This special unit was set up by Major Prabowo Subianto, commander of the Kopassus Special Education Center in Batujajar, West Java, who went on to be Kopassus general. The primitive war techniques instructors were taken from Dayak tribe scouts from the interior of Kalimantan. This unit was tested when Kopassus freed 13 Lorents Park researchers who had been taken hostage by the Free Papua Organization (OPM) led by Kelly Kwalik in Mapanduma, Kerom, Jayawijaya in May 1996.

All Kopassus troops can be dropped into buildings, jungles or the sea using techniques such as fast trooping, fast raffling or stabo from a helicopter. They include snipers armed with international standard anti-terrorist weapons such as short-range weapons for close-in fighting like the MP-5, Steyr, SS1 attack rifle, H&K P-7 automatic pistol and special boots that leave footprints as if the wearer was walking in the opposite direction.

After liberating the hostages in Mapanduma, The Times of Britain called Kopassus one of the world's best special forces units, after the British Special Air Service and the Israeli Special Forces. But Kopassus' image suffered after 1998, when several of its members were found guilty of kidnapping student activists and murdering Papuan Presidium chairman Theys Hiyo Eluay. The current Kopassus commander is on trial for human rights violations in the 1984 Tanjung Priok case.

Detachment Bravo 90, Indonesian Air Force Special Forces

This special forces unit from the Indonesian Air Force is based at Hussein Sastranegara Airbase, Bandung, West Java and specializes in protecting primary defense equipment and vital objects against air attack. Formed in 1990, it also has the ability to prevent the sabotage of air control towers.

Even if the control tower is destroyed by an enemy, they can quickly bring a shadow control tower into operation using their equipment. "They will control traffic in the flight lanes just like a cop directing traffic," says a former Bravo Detachment training instructor who did not want to give his name. The 200-strong detachment has an Anti-Terror and Hijacking team which is trained in preventing hijacks and become expert, quick reacting shooters in control towers as well as in confined aircraft cabins.

Jala Mangkara Detachment, Indonesian Navy Marines

The Marines special forces, often called the "frog troops" have their HQ at Bumi Marinir, Cilandak, South Jakarta and are led by a lieutenant colonel. It has an anti-terror and piracy unit whose members are skilled at clandestine entrances via the water and can swim carrying weapons for tens of kilometers.

This unit carried out acts of sabotage against Malaysian and Singaporean ports during the 1964-1964 Konfrontasi. The unit specializes in combating seized warships, commercial vessels and tankers. It also prevents sabotage of oil rigs. The unit's members can land from helicopters by stabo, slide down ropes from large ships, and can deploy using fast rafting all while carrying their Kalashnikov assault weapons.

Ngati Tumatauenga
08-24-2004, 06:17 PM
They include snipers armed with international standard anti-terrorist weapons such as short-range weapons for close-in fighting like the MP-5, Steyr, SS1 attack rifle, H&K P-7 automatic pistol and special boots that leave footprints as if the wearer was walking in the opposite direction.

rofl

Determining the direction of sign doesn't depend on which way the footwear is pointing but on the marks left by the footwear, amongst other things. Try walking backwards on sand and compare the sign to walking normally and you'll immediately see the difference.

moughoun
08-24-2004, 06:48 PM
They include snipers armed with international standard anti-terrorist weapons such as short-range weapons for close-in fighting like the MP-5, Steyr, SS1 attack rifle, H&K P-7 automatic pistol and special boots that leave footprints as if the wearer was walking in the opposite direction.

rofl

Determining the direction of sign doesn't depend on which way the footwear is pointing but on the marks left by the footwear, amongst other things. Try walking backwards on sand and compare the sign to walking normally and you'll immediately see the difference.

If that's how"elite" they are, well.....................cough rubbish cough

oldsoak
08-24-2004, 06:52 PM
They include snipers armed with international standard anti-terrorist weapons such as short-range weapons for close-in fighting like the MP-5, Steyr, SS1 attack rifle, H&K P-7 automatic pistol and special boots that leave footprints as if the wearer was walking in the opposite direction.

rofl

Determining the direction of sign doesn't depend on which way the footwear is pointing but on the marks left by the footwear, amongst other things. Try walking backwards on sand and compare the sign to walking normally and you'll immediately see the difference.

If that's how"elite" they are, well.....................cough rubbish cough

didnt the ARW sent a few packing with a flea in their ear in Timor ?

moughoun
08-24-2004, 07:27 PM
They include snipers armed with international standard anti-terrorist weapons such as short-range weapons for close-in fighting like the MP-5, Steyr, SS1 attack rifle, H&K P-7 automatic pistol and special boots that leave footprints as if the wearer was walking in the opposite direction.

rofl

Determining the direction of sign doesn't depend on which way the footwear is pointing but on the marks left by the footwear, amongst other things. Try walking backwards on sand and compare the sign to walking normally and you'll immediately see the difference.

If that's how"elite" they are, well.....................cough rubbish cough

didnt the ARW sent a few packing with a flea in their ear in Timor ?

You heard about that, hahahah

digrar
08-24-2004, 10:49 PM
The ANZACS gave them a good flogging in 2000 and they haven't been seen since.
When a Kiwi talks tracking, listen up they know what they are on about.

garoco
08-25-2004, 03:26 PM
Yeah, funny how East Timor/Timor Leste isn't mentioned in this article when KOMPASSUS were a *major* player in not only the training and motivation of pro-integration militias against the vast majority of the population and the fact that since 1975 they were Jakartas main Anti-'resistance' force in East Timor, killing and torturing thousands of Timorese.

And the fact that INTERFET from September 19th 1999 and subsequent UN/Australian forces handed their arses back them.

Putting KOMPASSUS anywhere near the top ten in any SF league to me is a very sick joke. They have the blood of several thousand East Timorese, West Papuans and other "Indonesian minorities" on their hands.

Also, when that Kiwi Minimi gunner was killed and mutilated by Indonesian backed Militia in 1999/2000 - with his ears being cut off etc are hallmarks of KOMPASSUS training and brutality.

I hope the Australian, British, U.S, Singaporean and New Zealand Special Forces (REAL SF not anti-guerilla thugs like KOMPASSUS) do NOT have any sort of training with or of KOMPASSUS.

oldsoak
08-25-2004, 05:46 PM
Unfortunately, I believe HMG were involved in sending the SAS to train Kopassus.

moughoun
08-25-2004, 06:07 PM
Unfortunately, I believe HMG were involved in sending the SAS to train Kopassus.

Well Kopassus didn't learn the lesson's very well ;)

Ngati Tumatauenga
08-25-2004, 06:07 PM
garoco wrote,

Also, when that Kiwi Minimi gunner was killed and mutilated by Indonesian backed Militia in 1999/2000 - with his ears being cut off etc are hallmarks of KOMPASSUS training and brutality.

TNI/KOPASSUS uniforms, insignia and signature equipment were found at the contact site on Foho Debululik where Len Manning was KIA. The militia left their packs and webbing behind in their haste to escape back across the border.
Its believed that KOPASSUS operators trained and lead militia groups on cross border ops just as they had been taught by USSF.

There were some interesting confrontations that occured after that contact between TNI and NZBATT elements especially in the more isolated central highland region.

Big boys games, big boys rules.........

moughoun
08-25-2004, 06:16 PM
garoco wrote,

Also, when that Kiwi Minimi gunner was killed and mutilated by Indonesian backed Militia in 1999/2000 - with his ears being cut off etc are hallmarks of KOMPASSUS training and brutality.

TNI/KOPASSUS uniforms, insignia and signature equipment were found at the contact site on Foho Debululik where Len Manning was KIA. The militia left their packs and webbing behind in their haste to escape back across the border.
Its believed that KOPASSUS operators trained and lead militia groups on cross border ops just as they had been taught by USSF.

There were some interesting confrontations that occured after that contact between TNI and NZBATT elements especially in the more isolated central highland region.

Big boys games, big boys rules.........

I do hope "spankings" were handed out ;)

oldsoak
08-25-2004, 06:22 PM
Unfortunately, I believe HMG were involved in sending the SAS to train Kopassus.

Well Kopassus didn't learn the lesson's very well ;)

Few could be more pleased at that than I ! :) . The thought of having us train those b*stards only to have them use the skills against friends and neighbours is not something I 'm happy with. I do think that western SF should only train the forces of democratic nations or we could end up getting drawn into all sorts of shenanigans.

digrar
08-26-2004, 12:22 AM
RIP Leonard Manning.
I was up there then and the gloves came off after that. All the sniper and recon NCOs were dragged into our OC and he gave us a revised interpretation of the ROE. A fair bit more aggresive than we had been working under before.
We talked to the regiment guys about some Kopassus looking types we had seen during a OP of one of the cross border markets. They said they hadn't trained with them for some time. But since the Bali bombings there has been talk from the government about once again engaging in counter terror training with the Indonesians.
I think that untill the Indonesian courts start giving some decent penalties to the bombers and various military commanders from East Timor cira 1999 we should cut off all training support and aid.

taiaha
08-26-2004, 12:37 AM
The Kopassus are the equivalent of the Nazi SS in my opinion. We'll never forget what the Indonesian armed forces did to our people back in the '60s during the Confrontation.

n4292936
08-27-2004, 08:33 AM
just thought you may be interested in a previous post.....

now as far as i am aware there was only 1 engage ment between australian forces and indonesian army/police in timor. which occured on the border of east timor and indonesia. where a mix up occured due to old map's and an incorrect interpretation of the exact location of the boarder. This incident was resolved peacfully and without any casualties one dead and two casualties on the Indo side. The maps that were used were originally produced by Dutch colonialists. Contact was initiated by Indonesians and finished by 2RAR.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/470000/images/_471224_run300.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/470000/images/_471224_cover300.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/470000/images/_471224_cover2300.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/470000/images/_471224_map2300.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/470000/images/_471224_map300.jpg

In a other news Peter Cosgrove relates:
the relationship (aus/indo military relations) probably saved lives in ET. "I would like to emphasize that the mission in ET was accomplished with the co-operation of the indonesian armed forces not, as has been wrongly described by some commentators, despite them or in opposition to them"



some other quotes from after action reports and analysis:

where a small force of 7,500 could complete the mission, the TNI had failed to do so with more than 20,000 since Dec 1975......After ET, the TNI understood better the fusing of intelligence, good comms, and high mobility assets, and personal qualities of soldiers can make a difference.


we told the TNI to clear out of the area and they told us this was their country and they were not going anywhere. When I told them again to leave one of them pointed their rifle at me. One of my mates then pointed his weapon and so on until there were perhaps 25 Australian and TNI all with weapons pointed basically at point-blank. This went on for maybe 20 minutes and the Indonesians were screaming at us to get out of their country, swearing and saying we were all going to die. One of them said to me 'I'm going to send you home dead'. I said, 'if I die, then you are all coming with me'. After a tense stand-ff the Indonesians moved on.
22 year old RAR officer



...leads to the conclusion that there is a direct correlation between close defence ties with all-round ties, and vice versa.

btw

The Kopassus are the equivalent of the Nazi SS in my opinion. We'll never forget what the Indonesian armed forces did to our people back in the '60s during the Confrontation. with all due respect, no they are not

Gruntsuck, the idea behnd the cooperation between our TAG (no longer necessarily SAS) and TNI elements is this:
While it is recognised that re-establishing ties with KOPPASUS is a sensitive issue, the DOD is of the opinion that in circumstances where our SAS or 4RAR may be cooperatively involved in operations with KOPPASUS it would be incalculably valuable to have an established relationship and framework with which to work within rather than use an adhoc approach, especially since any such event would almost certainly draw a great deal of attention.

gruntsuck
08-27-2004, 09:57 AM
N429 check out my reply to raaf missiles in general discussion

oldsoak
08-27-2004, 11:04 AM
Kopassus may not have existed at the time of confrontation, but human rights organisations do have a jaundiced view of them.

http://www.hrw.org/press/1999/oct/decol1007.htm

as an example

moughoun
08-27-2004, 03:30 PM
The Aussie's and Indoneasian's may have had only 1 "confirmed" engagement, but there were almost a dozen "non-confirmed" one's, between, our ARW, SASR, NZSAS, in which fire was exchanged

taiaha
08-27-2004, 08:11 PM
Kopassus may not have existed at the time of confrontation, but human rights organisations do have a jaundiced view of them.

http://www.hrw.org/press/1999/oct/decol1007.htm

as an example

Back then they were called RPKAD (Resimen Para Komando Angkatan Darat).