To all the pro-war studs

[Huck Mucus]

Hey, all you "patriots" that are "of age" and "pro-war." Just wondering how many of you have "other priorities" right now like Dick Cheney had. How many of you are beating down the door to get into the ****? I don't mean those who are against the war, who are too young, or handicapped, or who are sitting back as a pogue, chairborne ranger, a remington raider, or in the rear, with the gear. Those can all be honorable exemptions or forms of good service to our country. I'm talking to all the "tough guy," smack-talking, super-stud-heroes who are running their sucks about Real Deal, combat veterans who have BTDT. Have you joined up? Have you exhausted ALL avenues to get into it? Including requesting mast all the way to the freaking top? Why are you reading this and not hard at work in preparation?

No, I guess not. You wouldn't be here on the internet, now would you. You'd be too busy preparing for a commission or for war. You'd STFU and get on about the real serious business of the duty that you think belongs to everyone else.

I'm not saying you are not entitled to your opinion. I'm the last one to play the resume card. I'm just saying that if you were all that serious about it, you wouldn't be recreating on the internet.

You know who you are, tough guy. The recruiter is the phone book.

Just because you admit you are a puss does not mean you aren't a poser. A poser is a just chickenhawk-light.

[ExtraT]

Tell me, what are expecting to gain from this? Don't you know that on-line forums are full of posers? The best thing is to just ignore them.

[moughoun]

Hey, all you "patriots" that are "of age" and "pro-war." Just wondering how many of you have "other priorities" right now like Dick Cheney had. How many of you are beating down the door to get into the ****? I don't mean those who are against the war, who are too young, or handicapped, or who are sitting back as a pogue, chairborne ranger, a remington raider, or in the rear, with the gear. Those can all be honorable exemptions or forms of good service to our country. I'm talking to all the "tough guy," smack-talking, super-stud-heroes who are running their sucks about Real Deal, combat veterans who have BTDT. Have you joined up? Have you exhausted ALL avenues to get into it? Including requesting mast all the way to the freaking top? Why are you reading this and not hard at work in preparation?

No, I guess not. You wouldn't be here on the internet, now would you. You'd be too busy preparing for a commission or for war. You'd STFU and get on about the real serious business of the duty that you think belongs to everyone else.

I'm not saying you are not entitled to your opinion. I'm the last one to play the resume card. I'm just saying that if you were all that serious about it, you wouldn't be recreating on the internet.

You know who you are, tough guy. The recruiter is the phone book.

Just because you admit you are a puss does not mean you aren't a poser. A poser is a just chickenhawk-light.

Well said mate!!

[Old300]

So unless I am or have been in the military, I can't support any wars?

Tell me, must I oppose all wars? Or should I simply sequester all opinions that I have about who I think would make the best commander-in-chief and choose the candidate who has the best position on, say, the nutritive requirements of school lunches?

And one final question: was it your purpose in starting this thread to make yourself look like an egregious ass, or was that simply an accident?

[Jack Mehoff]

woot


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[Jack Mehoff]

Using your very same logic, for those of you who are anti-OIF and support Saddam, why don't you buy a plane ticket to Iraq to fight with the insurgents and I'll be there to meet you. Deal or are you too much of a puss?

[Huck Mucus]

So unless I am or have been in the military, I can't support any wars?

Tell me, must I oppose all wars? Or should I simply sequester all opinions that I have about who I think would make the best commander-in-chief and choose the candidate who has the best position on, say, the nutritive requirements of school lunches?

And one final question: was it your purpose in starting this thread to make yourself look like an egregious ass, or was that simply an accident?

Apparently you lack critical and analytical reading comprehension and thinking skills too. Now, what, specifically, did I say about opions and who, specifically, was I addressing my post to?

[Old300]

So unless I am or have been in the military, I can't support any wars?

Tell me, must I oppose all wars? Or should I simply sequester all opinions that I have about who I think would make the best commander-in-chief and choose the candidate who has the best position on, say, the nutritive requirements of school lunches?

And one final question: was it your purpose in starting this thread to make yourself look like an egregious ass, or was that simply an accident?

Apparently you lack critical and analytical reading comprehension and thinking skills too. Now, what, specifically, did I say about opions and who, specifically, was I addressing my post to?

I'm a patriot, I'm of-age, and I'm pro-war. I'm a tough, smack-talking, super-stud hero, too - swear to God - who, nevertheless, hasn't joined up. I haven't exhausted any - let alone "all" - avenues to get into the military. I've already read the caveat about, you know, how I'm entitled to my opinion and stuff. Thanks so much! But I thought your message was pretty clear - but do correct me if I'm wrong: Unless you've put yourself in a position to fight the war you support so much, STFU.

Right?

Or are my reading comprehension skills lacking?

Jackass.

[Huck Mucus]

Using your very same logic, for those of you who are anti-OIF and support Saddam, why don't you buy a plane ticket to Iraq to fight with the insurgents and I'll be there to meet you. Deal or are you too much of a puss?

That's not using my same logic. In fact, that is turning logic itself on it's head. It shows you know little or nothing of logic.

First, you make the assinine assumption that being anti-OIF = support for Saddam. Second, you make the even more assinine assumption that being anti-OIF = un-American (i.e. going to Iraq to fight against America troops).

You see, the war is not an American war. It is Bush's war and his supporter's war. The most American thing is to be anti-OIF so why don't YOU go to Iraq or some other country if you don't like it here. It is YOUR war, apparently. So, did my post apply to you? What are you doing here on the internet? Deal or are you too much of a puss? Sounds like I struck a nerve.

[HooyahCQB]

I DAMN WELL WOULD BE in service if I had it my way.

To please my parents, i'm going to college first.

I'm currently studying International Affairs, btw

So don't make assumptions, bitte.

[Ichhabe]

So unless I am or have been in the military, I can't support any wars?

Tell me, must I oppose all wars? Or should I simply sequester all opinions that I have about who I think would make the best commander-in-chief and choose the candidate who has the best position on, say, the nutritive requirements of school lunches?

And one final question: was it your purpose in starting this thread to make yourself look like an egregious ass, or was that simply an accident?

Apparently you lack critical and analytical reading comprehension and thinking skills too. Now, what, specifically, did I say about opions and who, specifically, was I addressing my post to?

You are so funny... Now, bugger off!

[Midtown]

So unless I am or have been in the military, I can't support any wars?

Tell me, must I oppose all wars? Or should I simply sequester all opinions that I have about who I think would make the best commander-in-chief and choose the candidate who has the best position on, say, the nutritive requirements of school lunches?

And one final question: was it your purpose in starting this thread to make yourself look like an egregious ass, or was that simply an accident?

Apparently you lack critical and analytical reading comprehension and thinking skills too. Now, what, specifically, did I say about opions and who, specifically, was I addressing my post to?

Are you in the military?

[Uncle Sam]

I know someone in the Military...Does that count?

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Tell me, must I oppose all wars?

Of course! All wars are Vietnam! We must march against all wars...it's what you're supposed to do when there's a war.

Break out the tie-died shirt, sit around and make up some scandalously clever marching signs, and get out to "stick it to the man".

The tenured dinosaurs currently infesting academia are so obsessed with validating the actions of their youth, that they've given up any pretense of being open minded or thoughtful.

[Huck Mucus]

Or are my reading comprehension skills lacking?

Yes, your reading comprehension skills are lacking, Jackass. What are you doing running your suck on the internet? You should be training, 24/7, like I did, untill you're too f***** tired to move. Like all those who seek to keep their brothers out of harms way. Just think, if and when you ever get over there, that extra training you might have subjected yourself to now might actually do your cause some good. What are you going to tell Abul when he's gutting your buddy: "Well, I thought it would be more important to talk smack about John Kerry instead of perfecting my warrior skills."

[moughoun]

So unless I am or have been in the military, I can't support any wars?

Tell me, must I oppose all wars? Or should I simply sequester all opinions that I have about who I think would make the best commander-in-chief and choose the candidate who has the best position on, say, the nutritive requirements of school lunches?

And one final question: was it your purpose in starting this thread to make yourself look like an egregious ass, or was that simply an accident?

Apparently you lack critical and analytical reading comprehension and thinking skills too. Now, what, specifically, did I say about opions and who, specifically, was I addressing my post to?

I'm a patriot, I'm of-age, and I'm pro-war. I'm a tough, smack-talking, super-stud hero, too - swear to God - who, nevertheless, hasn't joined up. I haven't exhausted any - let alone "all" - avenues to get into the military. I've already read the caveat about, you know, how I'm entitled to my opinion and stuff. Thanks so much! But I thought your message was pretty clear - but do correct me if I'm wrong: Unless you've put yourself in a position to fight the war you support so much, STFU.

Right?

Or are my reading comprehension skills lacking?

Jackass.

I don't think he was saying that about supporting the war or opinion's like that, but there are a few people on here who come out with the biggest load of bs, about storming buildings, leveling Najaf, killing insurgent's, they have never even been near a military base, but their talking the ****, it's all very well saying kick in the door's when your not the one doing it under fire, but behind a pc screen now isn't it

[Huck Mucus]

I DAMN WELL WOULD BE in service if I had it my way.

To please my parents, i'm going to college first.

I'm currently studying International Affairs, btw

So don't make assumptions, bitte.

If the shoe doesn't fit, then why are you wearing it?

[Old300]

Or are my reading comprehension skills lacking?

Yes, your reading comprehension skills are lacking, Jackass. What are you doing running your suck on the internet? You should be training, 24/7, like I did, untill you're too f***** tired to move. Like all those who seek to keep their brothers out of harms way. Just think, if and when you ever get over there, that extra training you might have subjected yourself to now might actually do your cause some good. What are you going to tell Abul when he's gutting your buddy: "Well, I thought it would be more important to talk smack about John Kerry instead of perfecting my warrior skills."

I'll let your post speak for itself.

[jmatucd]

Some of us (me) wouldn’t be allowed into the armed forces due to a myriad of medical problems that would not befit a soldier. (even if I begged I doubt I could get to front line action). However, my brain seems to be fully functioning and I wouldn’t mind contributing in an intelligence / R&D capacity at private firms (contractors) or at government agencies.

Some of us have talents that can better be exploited behind a desk.

[Jack Mehoff]

Using your very same logic, for those of you who are anti-OIF and support Saddam, why don't you buy a plane ticket to Iraq to fight with the insurgents and I'll be there to meet you. Deal or are you too much of a puss?

That's not using my same logic. In fact, that is turning logic itself on it's head. It shows you know little or nothing of logic.

First, you make the assinine assumption that being anti-OIF = support for Saddam. Second, you make the even more assinine assumption that being anti-OIF = un-American (i.e. going to Iraq to fight against America troops).

You see, the war is not an American war. It is Bush's war and his supporter's war. The most American thing is to be anti-OIF so why don't YOU go to Iraq or some other country if you don't like it here. It is YOUR war, apparently. So, did my post apply to you? What are you doing here on the internet? Deal or are you too much of a puss? Sounds like I struck a nerve.

Yes, just like when you make assinine assumption that pro-OIF=pro-war

By the way, i'm an internet-arm chair commando-wannabe poser who never serve on day in the armed forces. :lol:

[moughoun]

I know someone in the Military...Does that count?

If it's a Sergeant yes!! anyone else no!! ;)

[XASA]

Looks like you struck a nerve Huck Mucus.

It's amazing how much macho motherf***ers cry foul when they think their manhood is threatened--even over the internet. I think there are a few here who are so caught up in cyberspace masculinity they take everything personally. Relax guys. Nobody knows better than you if you fit Huck's categorization, so go cry in somebody's else's beer.

I don't usually quote movies for my posts, but for all of you who won't come any closer to real war other than watching "Full Metal Jacket" I thought I show my appreciation for Huck Mucus' posts by saying:

"Hell, I like you. You can come over my house and f*** my sister!"

[Huck Mucus]

The tenured dinosaurs currently infesting academia are so obsessed with validating the actions of their youth, that they've given up any pretense of being open minded or thoughtful.

Hey, substitute "VFW" for "academia" and that sounds like the Not So Swift Boat Vet crew. LOL!

[Nizark]

This posting has 'start ****' written all over it.

Don't mind this guy, he probably just saw something on tv or read something on the net that pissed him off.

[Ichhabe]

Or are my reading comprehension skills lacking?

Yes, your reading comprehension skills are lacking, Jackass. What are you doing running your suck on the internet? You should be training, 24/7, like I did, untill you're too f***** tired to move. Like all those who seek to keep their brothers out of harms way. Just think, if and when you ever get over there, that extra training you might have subjected yourself to now might actually do your cause some good. What are you going to tell Abul when he's gutting your buddy: "Well, I thought it would be more important to talk smack about John Kerry instead of perfecting my warrior skills."

WTF??? Is this some new aggrevated way of recruiting people? Have all the other old fashioned one failed, and some new shock-recruitment been installed? Or is it just that you are a natural born asshole?

[Old300]

Looks like you struck a nerve Huck Mucus.

It's amazing how much macho motherf***ers cry foul when they think their manhood is threatened--even over the internet. I think there are a few here who are so caught up in cyberspace masculinity they take everything personally. Relax guys. Nobody knows better than you if you fit Huck's categorization, so go cry in somebody's else's beer.

I don't usually quote movies for my posts, but for all of you who won't come any closer to real war other than watching "Full Metal Jacket" I thought I show my appreciation for Huck Mucus' posts by saying:

"Hell, I like you. You can come over my house and f*** my sister!"

You seem like a pretty reasonable guy, so I'm surprised you'd have that to say about somebody who could write,

"Yes, your reading comprehension skills are lacking, Jackass. What are you doing running your suck on the internet? You should be training, 24/7, like I did, untill you're too f***** tired to move. Like all those who seek to keep their brothers out of harms way. Just think, if and when you ever get over there, that extra training you might have subjected yourself to now might actually do your cause some good. What are you going to tell Abul when he's gutting your buddy: "Well, I thought it would be more important to talk smack about John Kerry instead of perfecting my warrior skills."

[Uncle Sam]

I know someone in the Military...Does that count?

If it's a Sergeant yes!! anyone else no!! ;)

Dam! p-)

[Midtown]

The tenured dinosaurs currently infesting academia are so obsessed with validating the actions of their youth, that they've given up any pretense of being open minded or thoughtful.

Hey, substitute "VFW" for "academia" and that sounds like the Not So Swift Boat Vet crew. LOL!

What are you 15? Go find a differant board to go dribble your written garbage upon. Even the 15 year olds here arent as big of dicks as you.

[Hiroshima]

Hmm....I'm of age, pro-war, but don't claim anything but being a military brat and in the Political Science Major with a job in the DoD after college...so I won't be joining the military directly, but rather work for a nice paycheck. I'm kinda shocked this subject hasn't erupted!


See Beowulf, I can be civil!

[Huck Mucus]

Yes, just like when you make assinine assumption that pro-OIF=pro-war
By the way, i'm an internet-arm chair commando-wannabe poser who never serve on day in the armed forces. :lol:

When did I make the assumption that pro-OIF = pro-war? You stand corrected, yet again.

[Jack Mehoff]

I play Counter Strike a lot. Does that make me qualify as a veteran?

[Jack Mehoff]

Yes, just like when you make assinine assumption that pro-OIF=pro-war
By the way, i'm an internet-arm chair commando-wannabe poser who never serve on day in the armed forces. :lol:

When did I make the assumption that pro-OIF = pro-war? You stand corrected, yet again.

You sure hell used the word pro-war a lot

[Huck Mucus]

WTF??? Is this some new aggrevated way of recruiting people? Have all the other old fashioned one failed, and some new shock-recruitment been installed? Or is it just that you are a natural born asshole?

The latter.

[Hiroshima]

Jack Mehoff:
Donno....does me sitting infront of a PC playing Command and Conquer make me a Four Star General? BTW, stand still next time I try to knife you! ;)

[Ichhabe]

Donno....does me sitting infront of a PC playing Command and Conquer make me a Four Star General? BTW, stand still next time I try to knife you! ;)

Is it C&C Generals by any chance? My nick is Sharkbite. Care for a game? :D

[Huck Mucus]

Yes, just like when you make assinine assumption that pro-OIF=pro-war
By the way, i'm an internet-arm chair commando-wannabe poser who never serve on day in the armed forces. :lol:

When did I make the assumption that pro-OIF = pro-war? You stand corrected, yet again.

You sure hell used the word pro-war a lot

The question stands unanswered. Again, the skills. They call for context. But I guess that sailed right over your head. Oh well, I'm used to it.

[Hiroshima]

My Pc is four years old....so I WISH....maybe when I get my next loan check

[Jack Mehoff]

Yes, just like when you make assinine assumption that pro-OIF=pro-war
By the way, i'm an internet-arm chair commando-wannabe poser who never serve on day in the armed forces. :lol:

When did I make the assumption that pro-OIF = pro-war? You stand corrected, yet again.

You sure hell used the word pro-war a lot

The question stands unanswered. Again, the skills. They call for context. But I guess that sailed right over your head. Oh well, I'm used to it.

When you said pro-war, what war are we talking about? War on crime, Vietnam War, OEF, WW2, etc.

[Huck Mucus]

Chinggow, did I touch a nerve, what? Why, I ain't seen panties all up in a bunch like this since, well, I don't know when. Think I'll sit back and watch the sparks fly.

Xasa, thanks for the vote of confidence. Semper Fi.

[Jack Mehoff]

You can't answer my question?

Another question: does Counter Strike makes me qualify as a veteran?

[moughoun]

Maybe you lad's should sort this out like men.................tiddlywink's at dawn ;)



seriously though this is going down the ****ter fast, just call it a day and move on, all of you :roll:

[moughoun]

You can't answer my question?

Another question: does Counter Strike makes me qualify as a veteran?

Your not serious Jack?

[Secret Squirrel]

You can't answer my question?

Another question: does Counter Strike makes me qualify as a veteran?

Jack you know you're not allowed in the general discussion area. ;) I'm sure there's a post about "some guy hitting on you" or "ask a single 24 year old guy anything" that could either be reposted or need your attention. ;)

[Huck Mucus]

Yes, just like when you make assinine assumption that pro-OIF=pro-war
By the way, i'm an internet-arm chair commando-wannabe poser who never serve on day in the armed forces. :lol:

When did I make the assumption that pro-OIF = pro-war? You stand corrected, yet again.

You sure hell used the word pro-war a lot

The question stands unanswered. Again, the skills. They call for context. But I guess that sailed right over your head. Oh well, I'm used to it.

When you said pro-war, what war are we talking about? War on crime, Vietnam War, OEF, WW2, etc.

Remember what I tried to teach you about context? Let me hold your hand and walk through this again:

Huck Mucus wrote:
Jack Mehoff wrote:
Using your very same logic, for those of you who are anti-OIF and support Saddam, why don't you buy a plane ticket to Iraq to fight with the insurgents and I'll be there to meet you. Deal or are you too much of a puss?


That's not using my same logic. In fact, that is turning logic itself on it's head. It shows you know little or nothing of logic.

First, you make the assinine assumption that being anti-OIF = support for Saddam. Second, you make the even more assinine assumption that being anti-OIF = un-American (i.e. going to Iraq to fight against America troops).

You see, the war is not an American war. It is Bush's war and his supporter's war. The most American thing is to be anti-OIF so why don't YOU go to Iraq or some other country if you don't like it here. It is YOUR war, apparently. So, did my post apply to you? What are you doing here on the internet? Deal or are you too much of a puss? Sounds like I struck a nerve.


Now, what war were we talking about? Why, OIF, of course! See how simple that is? Just read the context. It only broke down when you made the illogical leap (assumption) that I was arguing that pro-OIF meant pro-war in general. We were talking about OIF. In fact, you brought it up.

[Jack Mehoff]

When did I make the assumption that pro-OIF = pro-war? You stand corrected, yet again.
To all the pro-war studs
ding ding ding ding!
ding ding ding ding!

[expat007]

I think Kerry pushed for award of those purple hearts to get sent home early apparently it worked, 4 mos does not a combat tour make.Considering these actions were taken by an officer who could manipulate the system more than an EM makes it even worse. However, I find it unsavory to question his awards for valor.

Why is Kerry's military resume so important now when Democrats found war time service to be a non issue in the Dole vs Clinton race? Why is it Bush's service in the AirNG is less reputable than Clinton protesting the war in England?Its pure politics thats why, we want our guy in and to keep your guy out.

As far as you going off on these Pro war kids, they have as much right to their opinion on Natl security as you do. IF you serve its to guarentee their right to voice their opinion

[moughoun]

I think Kerry pushed for award of those purple hearts to get sent home early apparently it worked, 4 mos does not a combat tour make.Considering these actions were taken by an officer who could manipulate the system more than an EM makes it even worse. However, I find it unsavory to question his awards for valor.

Why is Kerry's military resume so important now when Democrats found war time service to be a non issue in the Dole vs Clinton race? Why is it Bush's service in the AirNG is less reputable than Clinton protesting the war in England?Its pure politics thats why, we want our guy in and to keep your guy out.

As far as you going off on these Pro war kids, they have as much right to their opinion on Natl security as you do. IF you serve its to guarentee their right to voice their opinion

Expat, don't get sucked up in this, just sit back and watch the firework's ;)

[Huck Mucus]

You can't answer my question?

Another question: does Counter Strike makes me qualify as a veteran?

I did answer your question. However, because I try and think about my answers and take your questions seriously, I don't often make the same errors in reasoning that you do. It just takes a little longer.

As to Counter Strike, I'm afraid I don't know what that is and I'm not inclined to research it right now. Seems some folks want this thread to die so I'll see if I can let it.

[aartamen]

Counter Strike is a game. I personally prefer Operation Flashpoin and Warcraft III. Can't wait till World of Warcraft comes out.

The US military cut down its own ranks by 40% very recently, so not all people who were not only qualified but already trained could stay.

[ibstolidude]

The tenured dinosaurs currently infesting academia are so obsessed with validating the actions of their youth, that they've given up any pretense of being open minded or thoughtful.

Hey, substitute "VFW" for "academia" and that sounds like the Not So Swift Boat Vet crew. LOL!
Post what you wish about your opinion; but why can't you leave the VFW out of this.

[Beowulf]

man....I've seen BHD 37 times does that count? I'm also jump-rope qualified....

It must be difficult for some here to be so hardcore all the time...bet it almost hurts just to be around mere mortals...perhaps this isn't the place for really high speed people.

try here:

www.socnet.com

[Jack Mehoff]

I know someone in the Military...Does that count?


me too p-)

[ibstolidude]

man....I've seen BHD 37 times does that count? I'm also jump-rope qualified....

It must be difficult for some here to be so hardcore all the time...bet it almost hurts just to be around mere mortals...perhaps this isn't the place for really high speed people.

try here:

www.socnet.com
just be sure to introduce yourself in a manner such as you posted here.

[moughoun]

man....I've seen BHD 37 times does that count? I'm also jump-rope qualified....



****!! jump-rope, 95% failure rate, hardman, done any combat jumps p-)

[budanski]

I was in 'Nam ;)

[Roger Rabbit]

I went to the Nam.... Birmingnam

[expat007]

Arrgh the thread descended into anarchy after I read and started posting, it takes a while with chasing after the kiddies and helping with dinner to get some quality internet siht talking in.

Im a chem light repairman for the army by the way, so while no Im not really "the tip of the spear" I think of myself as part of the team.

[ibstolidude]

so while no Im not really "the tip of the spear" I think of myself as part of the team. If you are not the tip of the spear are you the shaft?

[moughoun]

I went to the Nam.... Birmingnam

Ha, I was just about to say it

[moughoun]

so while no Im not really "the tip of the spear" I think of myself as part of the team. If you are not the tip of the spear are you the shaft?

Groan


Wait a minute that doesn't sound right :oops:

[Echo7]

GOOD POST. If your'e ever down south, there'll be cold beer and plenty of ammo waiting. Your'e speaking to immature idiots, glad to see you got em pissed off!!! har har..
To the rest of you who can serve, but won't (not becuse of medical reasons) your'e worthless snoteaters. Don't like it, cry me a *^%king river.
Huck pm me.
Echo7 out.
SAN SWO1 1990 -92

[expat007]

;)

[oldsoak]

Arrgh the thread descended into anarchy after I read and started posting, it takes a while with chasing after the kiddies and helping with dinner to get some quality internet siht talking in.

Im a chem light repairman for the army by the way, so while no Im not really "the tip of the spear" I think of myself as part of the team.

... i test 'em by bending them in half and shaking to see if they work before packin them - its an Mod requirement for zero failure.... :P

[Trigger]

edited due to overreaction. ;)

[Trigger]

It's amazing how much macho motherf***ers cry foul when they think their manhood is threatened.

I couldn't have described Huck Mucus any more perfectly. Kudos XASA. p-)

[Gatling]

Very clever bait ,huckus. I haven't seen such a self sealing bunch for a while rofl

[scott]

The tenured dinosaurs currently infesting academia are so obsessed with validating the actions of their youth, that they've given up any pretense of being open minded or thoughtful.

Of course you're entitled to your own opinion but saying academia is infested with tenured dinosaurs is disrespectful and rude.

[Ichhabe]

I stand proud and can honestly say I've done my bit + a little bit more. I can face any man, God and the Devil and say out loud that I doesn't have to do no more.

But that is not the point. I would never rant out to other that they need to put their **** together and do their bit. Why? Cause it is not mandatory yet. And even then I would respect that military service ain't fitted for all, no matter how loud mouthed they are.

That was what I reacted on here, and also those who have served and did not hail Huck Mucus's ranting.

[SeanAshi]

[quote]Hey, all you "patriots" that are "of age" and "pro-war." Just wondering how many of you have "other priorities" right now like Dick Cheney had. How many of you are beating down the door to get into the ****? I'm applying to OCS -officer candidate school bugger off mate! Shalom

[HooyahCQB]

I DAMN WELL WOULD BE in service if I had it my way.

To please my parents, i'm going to college first.

I'm currently studying International Affairs, btw

So don't make assumptions, bitte.

If the shoe doesn't fit, then why are you wearing it?

1. I'm growing into it.

2. I'm using the biggest one I can find to expand your asshole with it.

Cheers...



Edit: I apologize for being harsh. End of my discussion

[Tane Angle]

On the one hand, I can understand the reasoning that those who haven't served would have no say in such policies. I actually support mandatory national service (which does NOT equal supporting having 50 million people in the military, don't worry).

On the other hand, the United States is a republic, and US foreign policy does affect all Americans. Actually, it affects the vast majority of people in the world is some way, shape, or form, and that is why I can understand our non-American friends here having opinions on our policies.

On I guess the third hand, it is noteworthy that many cultures, including that of feudal Japan, value/valued peasants almost as much as their warriors because they knew that while a village/nation/etc. could survive for a time without its warriors, it could not survive long at all without its farmers and fishermen. ;) So I guess we should all be tipping our hats to the folks out on the tractors, as they are our lifeblood. Actually, the US's farmland provide food for something like 1/4 of all people in the world.

While I realize that fortunately not everyone in the military sees the horrors of war, that one of the many reasons I served was so that others wouldn't have to. I knew that it was either me out there or someone else, and so I went. My daughter considered working for CIA a few years ago, but she (somewhat to my joy) had an injury that delayed her plans. By the time she was healed she had taken a different job that made her happy, and so she never went back to the working towards CIA. But does that mean that she should have no say in foreign polcy? What about my other children? While I would respect and support any decision to serve that they made, do I want them to be out there in the back alleys of the world? No way. Does that mean that they should voice no opinions on US foreign policy? After all, one reason I served was so that hopefully my children would hopefully never have to. :|

Anyways, I guess what I'm trying to say is that I understand both sides of the discussion and both sides have good points.

One thing that does get to me some is when people who have never been there (as well as people who have) completely ignore - and even often repeat - past mistakes. When we repeat mistakes in war, it means that the initial deaths were in vain, because no one learned from those deaths. We can take solace and comfort when we learn from their deaths, but frankly, it sometimes feels like those people who blindly ignore or even deny the many mistakes we've made are pissing on the graves of the dead.

Have a good one all, and just some thoughts...

[Durandal]

You are so funny... Now, bugger off!

Damn Huk, you even got Ichhabe on your case...

:D

[Durandal]

On I guess the third hand, it is noteworthy that many cultures, including that of feudal Japan, value/valued peasants almost as much as their warriors because they knew that while a village/nation/etc. could survive for a time without its warriors, it could not survive long at all without its farmers and fishermen. ;) So I guess we should all be tipping our hats to the folks out on the tractors, as they are our lifeblood. Actually, the US's farmland provide food for something like 1/4 of all people in the world.

Why thank you Tane. *bows*

With that said, I respectfully disagree with you about Feudal lord systems regardless of wether they were Japanese or European. There was little value placed on the peasants other than "they are necessary". As necessary as they were though they were the ones who suffered because there were PLENTY of them. The respect was not for the individual peasant so much as the slave labor.

One only needs to look at the events like the 30 Years War to understand where the peasant truly stood. Keep in mind the early 1600s were NOT the middle ages either.

[hood]

The only thing I'm angry about, is the amount of space that's now taken up by this thread on the server. I'll never get it back! You owe me for one jelly donut!

[Durandal]

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[Huck Mucus]

Jeesh, I lost track of this baby till just now. You all created a whole new "rant" board and I missed it. Oh well, I never claimed to be all that computer literate.

I read and caught up with the thread, and I could rip a response on the majority that failed to actually read the specificity and caveats in my original post, and all those who missed the patent intent thereof, thinking it must have applied to them or some kid with a personal opinion, but I guess I already pissed in their canteen and I'll call that good. The man I was talking to never responded but what the hell.

Time to catch up on this new board "Political Discussions and Rants."

[Trigger]

You mean you weren't referring to me?

Oh shi- :oops:

[gilgoul]

Hey, all you "patriots" that are "of age" and "pro-war." Just wondering how many of you have "other priorities" right now like Dick Cheney had. How many of you are beating down the door to get into the ****? I don't mean those who are against the war, who are too young, or handicapped, or who are sitting back as a pogue, chairborne ranger, a remington raider, or in the rear, with the gear. Those can all be honorable exemptions or forms of good service to our country. I'm talking to all the "tough guy," smack-talking, super-stud-heroes who are running their sucks about Real Deal, combat veterans who have BTDT. Have you joined up? Have you exhausted ALL avenues to get into it? Including requesting mast all the way to the freaking top? Why are you reading this and not hard at work in preparation?

No, I guess not. You wouldn't be here on the internet, now would you. You'd be too busy preparing for a commission or for war. You'd STFU and get on about the real serious business of the duty that you think belongs to everyone else.

I'm not saying you are not entitled to your opinion. I'm the last one to play the resume card. I'm just saying that if you were all that serious about it, you wouldn't be recreating on the internet.

You know who you are, tough guy. The recruiter is the phone book.

Just because you admit you are a puss does not mean you aren't a poser. A poser is a just chickenhawk-light.


TO put it mildly, if i can understand the content, i`m affraid the form was a little too aggressive to be plainly accepted and understood.
As a preambule, I`m not american, and I`m an "internet" warrior, no more, since I do only serve a few weeks a year.and so have no formal say in the debate, but since my life is affected by those decision (I live in Israel), i`ll take the right of a few comments.
I thought the fact of removing Saddam Hussein from power was a good thing to do, even if at the time (february/march 2003), it brought my unit on emergency calling (my job is to rescue trapped people after bombing) and found myseld spending 7 days waiting for the scuds that fortunately didn`t come (it seems that they were already in Syria).
the problem being that the idea of building a nation and maintaining order in a 22 million indiferent to hostile population and hard geographic condition with less than 200 000 soldier was a strategic mistake. That proper equipement and training isn`t provided to non combat troops slated to deployement is a scandal.

But your tne, impliying that every user of this forum is some kind of acnea infected poser or wanabe is insulting for number of people who are actual vets or active servicemen, and simply find in those forum an opening and the chance to chat about military matters and beyond.
I don`t know if you actually serve or served, I`ll assume that your use of the "semper fidelis" is to indicate your apartenance to the corp. the contrary would be shamefull, and a lame posing attitude.
I can understand this anger, because if you are to be deployed, or those who are to be deployed are going to risk their life and their sanity far from home for a long time, and can rightfully feel angry about people telling them to do more and sacrifice more from their computer keyboard.
I would.
On the other hand, those who enlisted made an oath to the Nation to defend it and to serve it`s supreme comander, the president, who in turn draws his power from the people. So by signing up, the serviceman woman) knows he might be deployed, might have to go to war, might have to die for his country, or simply for the oath he took.
At least, even among the war mongers of this forum, will you find people ready to salute and respect members of the military. Here are people actually in the process of enlisting, and those going to college first because it will make them better and more educated soldiers have a right to do so, even while telling the guys on the ground over there "good job boys, go get them".
I`d rather have that than the spitting and the "baby killer" accusation

[Huck Mucus]

You mean you weren't referring to me?

Oh shi- :oops:

Nah, don't flatter yourself. I just view you as a rock upon which these little seeds will gain no purchase, at least until life has had an opportunity to work you into soil.

The man I was referring to (actually three of them) have been lurking here and pasting my arguments on another site. I was merely trying to get them to come here so I wouldn't have to bounce back and forth. They did not take the bait (or that bait in my other thread on the 10%) so now I am considering whether I should pick the other site and bag this one, or stay here and bag the other. Would you like me to go?

[Huck Mucus]

But your tne, impliying that every user of this forum is some kind of acnea infected poser or wanabe is insulting for number of people who are actual vets or active servicemen, and simply find in those forum an opening and the chance to chat about military matters and beyond.

I always thought more highly of the educational system over there. I guess it has more in common with ours. Just as the Not So Swift Bush Liars mistakenly thought Kerry was referring to ALL servicemen in Vietnam when the PLAIN LANGUAGE of his speach demonstrated otherwise, folks here seem to think I was implying that every user of this forum is some kind of acnea infected poser of wanabe when my PLAIN LANGUAGE demonstrated otherise.

If the boot don't fit, why do people keep trying to wear it? You're gonna get blisters. Take a chill pill, unless of course something I said hits home.

[Trigger]

You mean you weren't referring to me?

Oh shi- :oops:

Nah, don't flatter yourself. I just view you as a rock upon which these little seeds will gain no purchase, at least until life has had an opportunity to work you into soil.

The man I was referring to (actually three of them) have been lurking here and pasting my arguments on another site. I was merely trying to get them to come here so I wouldn't have to bounce back and forth. They did not take the bait (or that bait in my other thread on the 10%) so now I am considering whether I should pick the other site and bag this one, or stay here and bag the other. Would you like me to go?
I don't care much for your condescending attitude and I let my disgust at your 'baiting' get the better of me in yesterday's post. You've got as much right as anyone else to be here.

As far as seeds go, my soil is too alkaline for that kind of fruit. ;)

[gilgoul]

But your tne, impliying that every user of this forum is some kind of acnea infected poser or wanabe is insulting for number of people who are actual vets or active servicemen, and simply find in those forum an opening and the chance to chat about military matters and beyond.

I always thought more highly of the educational system over there. I guess it has more in common with ours. Just as the Not So Swift Bush Liars mistakenly thought Kerry was referring to ALL servicemen in Vietnam when the PLAIN LANGUAGE of his speach demonstrated otherwise, folks here seem to think I was implying that every user of this forum is some kind of acnea infected poser of wanabe when my PLAIN LANGUAGE demonstrated otherise.

If the boot don't fit, why do people keep trying to wear it? You're gonna get blisters. Take a chill pill, unless of course something I said hits home.

Hey sweat heart, I guess you`re illustrating the theme of this index, political discussion and rant, but your condescending tone and your general aggressivity bring me to the conclusion that you are in a desesperate need of relaxation, so hit a joint, drink some whisky, yell very loudly and punch your "mr bad" punch bag, and come back here when you`ll be calmer.
As to make comments about others people education, nobody blames you if you had difficulties in special ed, but you have to overcome your anger now, okay?

[Huck Mucus]

I don't care much for your condescending attitude and I let my disgust at your 'baiting' get the better of me in yesterday's post. You've got as much right as anyone else to be here.

As far as seeds go, my soil is too alkaline for that kind of fruit. ;)

I've always been curious as to why my condescending attitude (I confess to it, but with reason) seems to get under the skin more than, oh, say, the name calling and other slash-and-burn stuff that goes on in most groups. You know, like purposefully mistating someone's screen name ("Secret Squirrel"/"Stupid Squirrel" "Huckas") and the like. I'm not pointing a finger directly at you on this, unless of course it applies (I don't pay a whole lot of attention to who says what, just what was said).

I've come to the conclusion that my attitude gets under the skin easier because, while most folks can dish it out, they can't take it. I've been trashed in many a group just because I've responded in kind, albiet with more wit. In fact, I recall many instances where I was more polite, more civil, less vitriolic, more reasonable and more logical than my "oppenent" was, by any objective standard, and yet I was the one called on the carpet and trashed. Hmmm. It might also be that the truth hurts. It could also be that people take **** personally that was not really directed at them, possibly because I struck a nerve. I think "condescending" is a misnomer, a perception, an opinion often applied by anti-intellectuals to intelectuals, especially on those occassions when they can't keep up or when they don't take the time to think before responding.

I think some men have died for getting under the skin of those who lack the ability to parse a hair. Socrates comes to mind. A mentor of mine (better at this than I, but currently out of pocket) even takes his pet name (Gadfly) and argues with me over this. He says that you have to turn up the tempurature when the opposition does, or you will get burned. I always thought the truth would prevail and there is no need to stoop to the level of the opposition, thus compromising your own values. He asks me if that prevents me from getting burned. He also suggested I ask if Kerry would have done better to rise above all this bull**** or if he should have remained silent and let the truth speak for itself. I must say, my friend had a good point. Hense my baiting. Never let it be said that I did not give as good as I got. In fact, all I have said so far has been in response to another.

[mobster]

As to make comments about others people education, nobody blames you if you had difficulties in special ed, but you have to overcome your anger now, okay?

Ouch, nice one gil.

Here ya' go huck finn muckerama.



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[Huck Mucus]

Here ya' go huck finn muckerama.


huck finn muckerama. Hey, good one mobster. :roll:

Case in point.

[budanski]

Stupid Squirrel had it coming. (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=22684&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=stupid+squirrel&start=32) ;)

[mobster]

I've always been curious as to why my condescending attitude (I confess to it, but with reason) seems to get under the skin more than, oh, say, the name calling and other slash-and-burn stuff that goes on in most groups. You know, like purposefully mistating someone's screen name ("Secret Squirrel"/"Stupid Squirrel" "Huckas") and the like. I'm not pointing a finger directly at you on this, unless of course it applies (I don't pay a whole lot of attention to who says what, just what was said).

I've come to the conclusion that my attitude gets under the skin easier because, while most folks can dish it out, they can't take it. I've been trashed in many a group just because I've responded in kind, albiet with more wit. In fact, I recall many instances where I was more polite, more civil, less vitriolic, more reasonable and more logical than my "oppenent" was, by any objective standard, and yet I was the one called on the carpet and trashed. Hmmm. It might also be that the truth hurts. It could also be that people take **** personally that was not really directed at them, possibly because I struck a nerve. I think "condescending" is a misnomer, a perception, an opinion often applied by anti-intellectuals to intelectuals, especially on those occassions when they can't keep up or when they don't take the time to think before responding.


Quit being a baby dude.





Oh and I found a pic of Mucous Membrane and Secret Platimapuss.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/viewimage/special_001.jpg

[California Joe]

Huck gets props from me based solely on command of the english language and ability to poke hornets nests. Responding with pictures of imbeciles really isn't in the same debating league. Might want to work on that......

[ibstolidude]

This has been pretty much milked for all the humorous content possible.

IS it time to lock or is there any positive direction to the thread that I missed?

[California Joe]

Well, farmgirl could always show up and flirt with us....

[budanski]

http://img59.exs.cx/img59/3454/biteme.jpg

Lock away, stoli. ;)

[ibstolidude]

Well, farmgirl could always show up and flirt with us....
excellant counter point!

[California Joe]

I'm a master debater.

[ibstolidude]

I'm a master debater.
and I, a cunning linguist.

[California Joe]

I've heard that. But really, how can you trust Beo.

[mobster]

Huck gets props from me based solely on command of the english language and ability to poke hornets nests. Responding with pictures of imbeciles really isn't in the same debating league. Might want to work on that.....

C'mon Joe, take a poll if you'd like, Muck has no idea what he's talking about half the time. Ranting or as you put it "poking the hornets nest" is not debate, I keep it fun. Let me handle how I play in my league, you continue to moderate. Nobody is going to get harmed in any way here, let it be. If they feel like they're getting "attacked" or picked on, well they should not continue posting.

[Secret Squirrel]

Stupid Squirrel had it coming. (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=22684&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=stupid+squirrel&start=32) ;)

Oh the irony.

Kerry still proposed those cuts, Arlen Specter isnt running for president and fighting a 'more sensitive' (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37642) war on terrorism just won't cut it for most.

Yea he did, as did others (others wanting larger cuts than Kerry). Ignorance is bliss but the devil is in the details. Context is everything, unless you want everyone just to blindly accept blank statements? ;) But let me make sure I understand your point, you think the money should have been collecting dust instead of being cut and spent on something else? If the money isnt being used, whats the point to keep giving them more money? By the way, worldnetdaily aka "whitehouse release" wont cut it for most. ;)

Honestly Huck, it doesnt bother me when someone calls me a name; especially if it involved Bud(I've had to embarass him a number of times, including enlightening him to the fact that newsmax isnt a credible news source. rofl But it's all in good fun, most of the time anyway. ;) )

[Secret Squirrel]

Huck gets props from me based solely on command of the english language and ability to poke hornets nests. Responding with pictures of imbeciles really isn't in the same debating league. Might want to work on that.....

C'mon Joe, take a poll if you'd like, Muck has no idea what he's talking about half the time. Ranting or as you put it "poking the hornets nest" is not debate, I keep it fun. Let me handle how I play in my league, you continue to moderate. Nobody is going to get harmed in any way here, let it be. If they feel like they're getting "attacked" or picked on, well they should not continue posting.

rofl Funniest thing I've seen in awhile. rofl Moby lacks the ability to formulate an intelligent post that generally doesnt involve either a joke or a picture. He also has a short fuse (if you want to set him off, point out his ignorance on any subject matter. ;) )

[mobster]

Honestly Huck, it doesnt bother me when someone calls me a name; especially if it involved Bud(I've had to embarass him a number of times, including enlightening him to the fact that newsmax isnt a credible news source. ROFL But it's all in good fun, most of the time anyway. Wink )

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/viewimage/homo.jpg




JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!! JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's all good SS. Okay, back to work.

[chauncy republicans]

Huck gets props from me based solely on command of the english language and ability to poke hornets nests. Responding with pictures of imbeciles really isn't in the same debating league. Might want to work on that.....

C'mon Joe, take a poll if you'd like, Muck has no idea what he's talking about half the time. Ranting or as you put it "poking the hornets nest" is not debate, I keep it fun. Let me handle how I play in my league, you continue to moderate. Nobody is going to get harmed in any way here, let it be. If they feel like they're getting "attacked" or picked on, well they should not continue posting.

rofl Funniest thing I've seen in awhile. rofl Moby lacks the ability to formulate an intelligent post that generally doesnt involve either a joke or a picture. He also has a short fuse (if you want to set him off, point out his ignorance on any subject matter. ;) )
He's also some kind of bigshot with celebs, :roll: just ask him.

[California Joe]

Huck gets props from me based solely on command of the english language and ability to poke hornets nests. Responding with pictures of imbeciles really isn't in the same debating league. Might want to work on that.....

C'mon Joe, take a poll if you'd like, Muck has no idea what he's talking about half the time. Ranting or as you put it "poking the hornets nest" is not debate, I keep it fun. Let me handle how I play in my league, you continue to moderate. Nobody is going to get harmed in any way here, let it be. If they feel like they're getting "attacked" or picked on, well they should not continue posting.

I didn't insinuate that you were being retarded, or that his statements were substantive, just that he argues very well. In his profile I believe he mentions being a lawyer. That would explain the arguing well part. I was exhorting you to take it up a notch and beat him at his own game.....I think he's the last person in here that would whine about being picked on.

[mobster]

Makes sense.

I didn't insinuate that you were being retarded, or that his statements were substantive, just that he argues very well. In his profile I believe he mentions being a lawyer. That would explain the arguing well part. I was exhorting you to take it up a notch and beat him at his own game.....I think he's the last person in here that would whine about being picked on.

Bigshot, no, babysitter, yes.

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[farmgirl]

I'm a master debater.
and I, a cunning linguist.


I'm listening....

[farmgirl]

I'm a master debater.
and I, a cunning linguist.


I'm listening....


clearly.... when something important is being discussed.... it's worth listening more than once.....








p-)

[budanski]

Honestly Huck, it doesnt bother me when someone calls me a name; especially if it involved Bud(I've had to embarass him a number of times, including enlightening him to the fact that newsmax isnt a credible news source. rofl But it's all in good fun, most of the time anyway. ;) )
Is snope.com anymore credible? Embarassed? I don't recall feeling that way.

[ibstolidude]

I'm a master debater.
and I, a cunning linguist.


I'm listening....


clearly.... when something important is being discussed.... it's worth listening more than once.....








p-)
Joe was right, as usual, in knowing we could dount on you to help revive some true merit in this thread!

[Trigger]

I'm hurt stoli. p-)

[ibstolidude]

I'm hurt stoli. p-)
Hey ever since the Pentagon blamed you for Najaf, I have been very concerned about affiliating with you!

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=414122&highlight=trigger#414122

[Trigger]

:lol:
I can't believe I never saw that one!

Someone's bound to call for my resignation now :D

[Huck Mucus]

Oh and I found a pic of Mucous Membrane and Secret Platimapuss.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/viewimage/special_001.jpg

You have no idea how close that is to resembling my actual appearance. LOL!

http://home.earthlink.net/~skunkrain/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/loverfighter.jpg

[farmgirl]

I'm a master debater.
and I, a cunning linguist.


I'm listening....


clearly.... when something important is being discussed.... it's worth listening more than once.....








p-)
Joe was right, as usual, in knowing we could dount on you to help revive some true merit in this thread!

... when it comes down to it... is there anything more important than good communication skills? I think we could trace a lot of disputes back to the breakdown of either written or oral communication. I've vowed to right that wrong where ever I am able...

[Tane Angle]

is there anything more important than good communication skills? Boobs?

Oh come on, if I hadn't said it, someone else would have. p-)

[Huck Mucus]

Honestly Huck, it doesnt bother me when someone calls me a name; especially if it involved Bud

I know, I know, it doesn't bother me either. I'm just not as good at it (calling names and using pictures) as they are so I have to resort to something they apparently aren't familiar with. At least it seems they aren't, since they are the ones who get their panties all up in a bunch, not me. My skin is pretty thick, I just have a different way of responding that they don't understand.

Right, Buttinski? By the way, I reckon that avitar is truth in advertising, I'll give you that. LOL!

[farmgirl]

is there anything more important than good communication skills? Boobs?

Oh come on, if I hadn't said it, someone else would have. p-)


well thankfully... I've got both excellent communication skills and boobs. Does that mean I win? p-)

[Fintin]

is there anything more important than good communication skills? Boobs?

Oh come on, if I hadn't said it, someone else would have. p-)


well thankfully... I've got both excellent communication skills and boobs. Does that mean I win? p-)

only with photographic proof...someone had to try ;)

[Tane Angle]

Ok, rant section or not, do we really need to start insulting one another? That goes for all involved. Thank you.

[Huck Mucus]

is there anything more important than good communication skills? Boobs?

Oh come on, if I hadn't said it, someone else would have. p-)


well thankfully... I've got both excellent communication skills and boobs. Does that mean I win? p-)

It's the oral communication skills you referenced that I think they were looking for.

[farmgirl]

is there anything more important than good communication skills? Boobs?

Oh come on, if I hadn't said it, someone else would have. p-)


well thankfully... I've got both excellent communication skills and boobs. Does that mean I win? p-)

It's the oral communication skills you referenced that I think they were looking for.


clearly....

[Durandal]

Stupid Squirrel had it coming. (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=22684&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=stupid+squirrel&start=32) ;)

rofl

[Sayeret]

Jack Mehoff wrote:
Using your very same logic, for those of you who are anti-OIF and support Saddam, why don't you buy a plane ticket to Iraq to fight with the insurgents and I'll be there to meet you. Deal or are you too much of a puss?Huck Mucus wrote: That's not using my same logic. In fact, that is turning logic itself on it's head. It shows you know little or nothing of logic.

First, you make the assinine assumption that being anti-OIF = support for Saddam. Second, you make the even more assinine assumption that being anti-OIF = un-American (i.e. going to Iraq to fight against America troops).

You see, the war is not an American war. It is Bush's war and his supporter's war. The most American thing is to be anti-OIF so why don't YOU go to Iraq or some other country if you don't like it here. It is YOUR war, apparently. So, did my post apply to you? What are you doing here on the internet? Deal or are you too much of a puss? Sounds like I struck a nerve.

So instead of saying you should be fighting with the insurgents he should have said "why aern't you infront of buildings being a "human shield"?

Why are you so against the war anway? I can see reasons why people are against the war but I would think you who seems to think of himself of such a big intellectual would be able to find good things that happened as a result of the war.

[Sayeret]

It's amazing how much macho motherf***ers cry foul when they think their manhood is threatened--even over the internet. I think there are a few here who are so caught up in cyberspace masculinity they take everything personally. Relax guys. Nobody knows better than you if you fit Huck's categorization, so go cry in somebody's else's beer.

Maybe I've missed something but I haven't really seen too many people trying to act macho. Huck seems to be tyring to portray himself as somekind of superior intellectual. Its funny that you a lot you anti-war people supported the war before it occured and once things didn't go as you planned you claimed you never supported it.

[XASA]

It's amazing how much macho motherf***ers cry foul when they think their manhood is threatened--even over the internet. I think there are a few here who are so caught up in cyberspace masculinity they take everything personally. Relax guys. Nobody knows better than you if you fit Huck's categorization, so go cry in somebody's else's beer.

Maybe I've missed something but I haven't really seen too many people trying to act macho. Huck seems to be tyring to portray himself as somekind of superior intellectual. Its funny that you a lot you anti-war people supported the war before it occured and once things didn't go as you planned you claimed you never supported it.

Why do you assume I am anti-war? I've probably forgotten more about war then you'll ever experience, for which you should thank God. Hell man, I love war, so long as I've got a larger unit than the enemy, arty support, air supremacy and the right cause on my side. Superior firepower can be fun :P I thought Huck made it quite clear who this thread was addressed to so I don't have to repeat it, so yes, you missed something. ;)

The problem is Sayaret is that I feel the current administration has created a major league cluster fu** because they were arrogant, amatuerish and anal-retentive. Today, brave men and women are dying because of their mistakes. And that's why I'm pissed. (Rant off ;) )

[Huck Mucus]

So instead of saying you should be fighting with the insurgents he should have said "why aern't you infront of buildings being a "human shield"?

Why are you so against the war anway? I can see reasons why people are against the war but I would think you who seems to think of himself of such a big intellectual would be able to find good things that happened as a result of the war.

As to your first paragraph, No. You probably can't see why I consider myself an intellectual but it's really only in comparison to those who make statements like that.

As to your second paragraph, I can find good things to come from the war. That does not mean the bad things go away, or that the good outwieghs the bad, or that the hypocracy of those who could have done the good things elsewhere and chose to do them in Iraq instead is any less patent. I don't think we *had* to fight this war *when* we started it. It could have waited. Those who bring out the parade of horribles on what *could* have happened had we waited have not only been proven to be full of **** after the fact, but everyone knew it before hand. As Bush said, he would only go as a last resort. He lied.

[Huck Mucus]

Maybe I've missed something but I haven't really seen too many people trying to act macho. . . . Its funny that you a lot you anti-war people supported the war before it occured and once things didn't go as you planned you claimed you never supported it.

A. You did miss something.
B. I did not support the war (Iraq) before it occured, and I don't support it now. In otherwords, unlike Kerry, et al, I didn't fall for Bush's promises or lies.

[basket of soft kittens]

Hey, all you "patriots" that are "of age" and "pro-war." Just wondering how many of you have "other priorities" right now like Dick Cheney had. How many of you are beating down the door to get into the ****? I don't mean those who are against the war, who are too young, or handicapped, or who are sitting back as a pogue, chairborne ranger, a remington raider, or in the rear, with the gear. Those can all be honorable exemptions or forms of good service to our country. I'm talking to all the "tough guy," smack-talking, super-stud-heroes who are running their sucks about Real Deal, combat veterans who have BTDT. Have you joined up? Have you exhausted ALL avenues to get into it? Including requesting mast all the way to the freaking top? Why are you reading this and not hard at work in preparation?

No, I guess not. You wouldn't be here on the internet, now would you. You'd be too busy preparing for a commission or for war. You'd STFU and get on about the real serious business of the duty that you think belongs to everyone else.

I'm not saying you are not entitled to your opinion. I'm the last one to play the resume card. I'm just saying that if you were all that serious about it, you wouldn't be recreating on the internet.

You know who you are, tough guy. The recruiter is the phone book.

Just because you admit you are a puss does not mean you aren't a poser. A poser is a just chickenhawk-light.


just because you support something dosent mean you have to be actively involed on the ground floor

[Beowulf]

mmmm flametastic

[moughoun]

Wow!!, 8 pages of the same point being battered around the place constantly, alot of people must like to hear themselves type :roll:

[Huck Mucus]

just because you support something dosent mean you have to be actively involed on the ground floor

That is true. That is why I said: "I don't mean those who are against the war, who are too young, or handicapped, or who are sitting back as a pogue, chairborne ranger, a remington raider, or in the rear, with the gear. Those can all be honorable exemptions or forms of good service to our country. I'm talking to all the "tough guy," smack-talking, super-stud-heroes who are running their sucks about Real Deal, combat veterans who have BTDT. . . . I'm just saying that if you were all that serious about it, you wouldn't be recreating on the internet."

[mobster]

Wednesday, August 25, 2004
Letter to John Kerry

August 25, 2004

Senator John Kerry
304 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510

Dear Senator Kerry,

We are pleased to welcome your campaign representatives to Texas today. We honor all our veterans, all whom have worn the uniform and served our country. We also honor the military and National Guard troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan today. We are very proud of all of them and believe they deserve our full support.

That’s why so many veterans are troubled by your vote AGAINST funding for our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, after you voted FOR sending them into battle. And that’s why we are so concerned about the comments you made AFTER you came home from Vietnam. You accused your fellow veterans of terrible atrocities – and, to this day, you have never apologized. Even last night, you claimed to be proud of your post-war condemnation of our actions.

We’re proud of our service in Vietnam. We served honorably in Vietnam and we were deeply hurt and offended by your comments when you came home.

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t build your convention and much of your campaign around your service in Vietnam, and then try to say that only those veterans who agree with you have a right to speak up. There is no double standard for our right to free speech. We all earned it.

You said in 1992 “we do not need to divide America over who served and how.” Yet you and your surrogates continue to criticize President Bush for his service as a fighter pilot in the National Guard.

We are veterans too – and proud to support President Bush. He’s been a strong leader, with a record of outstanding support for our veterans and for our troops in combat. He’s made sure that our troops in combat have the equipment and support they need to accomplish their mission.

He has increased the VA health care budget more than 40% since 2001 – in fact, during his four years in office, President Bush has increased veterans funding twice as much as the previous administration did in eight years ($22 billion over 4 years compared to $10 billion over 8.) And he’s praised the service of all who served our country, including your service in Vietnam.

We urge you to condemn the double standard that you and your campaign have enforced regarding a veteran’s right to openly express their feelings about your activities on return from Vietnam.

Sincerely,

Texas State Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson
Rep. Duke Cunningham
Rep. Duncan Hunter
Rep. Sam Johnson
Lt. General David Palmer
Robert O'Malley, Medal of Honor Recipient
James Fleming, Medal of Honor Recipient
Lieutenant Colonel Richard Castle (Ret.)

[Huck Mucus]

Wednesday, August 25, 2004
Letter to John Kerry

August 25, 2004

Senator John Kerry
304 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510

Dear Senator Kerry,

We are pleased to welcome your campaign representatives to Texas today. We honor all our veterans, all whom have worn the uniform and served our country. We also honor the military and National Guard troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan today. We are very proud of all of them and believe they deserve our full support.

That’s why so many veterans are troubled by your vote AGAINST funding for our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, after you voted FOR sending them into battle. And that’s why we are so concerned about the comments you made AFTER you came home from Vietnam. You accused your fellow veterans of terrible atrocities – and, to this day, you have never apologized. Even last night, you claimed to be proud of your post-war condemnation of our actions.

We’re proud of our service in Vietnam. We served honorably in Vietnam and we were deeply hurt and offended by your comments when you came home.

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t build your convention and much of your campaign around your service in Vietnam, and then try to say that only those veterans who agree with you have a right to speak up. There is no double standard for our right to free speech. We all earned it.

You said in 1992 “we do not need to divide America over who served and how.” Yet you and your surrogates continue to criticize President Bush for his service as a fighter pilot in the National Guard.

We are veterans too – and proud to support President Bush. He’s been a strong leader, with a record of outstanding support for our veterans and for our troops in combat. He’s made sure that our troops in combat have the equipment and support they need to accomplish their mission.

He has increased the VA health care budget more than 40% since 2001 – in fact, during his four years in office, President Bush has increased veterans funding twice as much as the previous administration did in eight years ($22 billion over 4 years compared to $10 billion over 8.) And he’s praised the service of all who served our country, including your service in Vietnam.

We urge you to condemn the double standard that you and your campaign have enforced regarding a veteran’s right to openly express their feelings about your activities on return from Vietnam.

Sincerely,

Texas State Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson
Rep. Duke Cunningham
Rep. Duncan Hunter
Rep. Sam Johnson
Lt. General David Palmer
Robert O'Malley, Medal of Honor Recipient
James Fleming, Medal of Honor Recipient
Lieutenant Colonel Richard Castle (Ret.)

Dear Vets:

Don't be troubled. Instead, try to educate yourselves on the record of who actually voted for what and when. Talk to your own CIC about flack jackets and etc. Once you break free from your talk radio icons and start thinking for yourselves, get back to me and we'll talk. Remember, you are no longer in the service and you are now free to think for yourselves. Indeed, since you don't have to do what your told anymore, you can actually stick up for the men and women over there who can't. You've been out for decades now. They can't send you to Levenworth now for speaking what you and I know to be the truth.

You can tell their CIC he's full of **** to send them over there for no good reason. Tell him his crap about WMDs and Osama links is no more credible than the swill we all swallowed about the Gulf of Tonkin and freedom for a bunch of rice farmers from communism, who really just wanted us to go away. Instead of walking away from the men in uniform, take their six and cover their ass back here in the states from those right wing neocon chickenhawks who would send them to war for oil.

Also, remember that I did not accuse anyone of atrocities. Rather, I just relayed what those who committed them actually told me. Did I mention your name? No. Then why get your panties in a bunch? If the shoe don't fit, why are you wearing it? You feeling guilty about something? If you served honorably and abided the laws of war, then I guess I wasn't talking about you, now was I? However, if you were over there, in the ****, and you didn't see atrocities, then all I can say is you must have had a different corner of the war from the rest of us saw.

Of course I am proud of my post war condemnations. To bad you all didn't join me. How many more of our men would we have saved if you would have fought the war with me when you got out instead of sending more men to die for a mistake? What's that you say? You actually think we would have won if we all would have just followed the party line? You don't remember the Charlie I remember. You don't remember all we threw at him, like more than all of WW1 and WW2 combined. Little guy just kept coming, didn't he. Got to respect that.

We were wrong to be there. *We* may have had honorable intentions for going, but the assholes who sent us were no better than the shrub and his neocon chickenhawks. Admit it and get over it. We were good, honorable men but we were used by bad, dishonorable men.

Also, I really didn't want to build my whole campaign around my service. But your CIC and his neocon henchmen chickenhawks who weren't over there with us were trying to convince Americans that liberals don't have any spine and couldn't fight with honor. You and I all know, however, that such is not true. Many a poor, uneducated, minority kid, and those most likely to vote dem or be a liberal, actually took alot of the brunt of the war over there. You remember, don't you? I just felt compelled to fight *into* the chickenhawk ambush instead of running from it. You know about that kind of thing, right?

Why don't you join me, tell your fellow Swiftboat Liars for Bush to STFU and quit dishonoring the uniform and all vets like you and me? Then we can get back to the real issues, like how your CIC has trashed the economy, the environment and sold out all the people in the armed services.

Me and my people don't continue to trash your CIC for his service as a fighter pilot in the NG. We trash him for his lack of service as a fighter pilot in the NG. We all know he left us hanging over there while he was sucking brews stateside and working politics like a real silver spoon. I'm surprised you suppor that little monkey. He can't even speak. Look at the man behind the curtain.

Also, try and educate yourselves about what the Shrub has actually done and not done for vets. Find out when he went along on legislation, kicking and screaming, only to take credit later. Then ask yourself about whether any of it was worth the dieing, the maiming and the killing. For what? Abdul, who, like Charlie, doesn't even want us there and never posed a threat to us?

Finally, I never said you all can't voice your opinion about my actions when I defended my fellow servicemen when I came home from war. Sure, you don't like the fact that I tried to, along with countless thousands of other true American patriots and vets, actually did save the lives of untold numbers of men in uniform by ending that stupid mistake of a war and waste of lives. You remember the old warrior code, when in the heat of battle, the only thing that matters is the guy next to you? You can blame me for taking that home with me and continuing to do my best by them. But that doesn't mean you should take what I said out of context and lie to the American people, telling them I accused YOU of atrocities. You are free to be wrong, but don't lie to the American people. You disgrace the uniform when you do. Remember, honorable service in the past does not give us a pass now, does it? We have to continue to act honorably and not **** on everyone who ever earned a medal. Heaven forbid we should all have our past questioned the way the enlisted gunner on the boat has. What's he tell his kids about his Bronze Star? Well, son, I guess Charlie really wasn't shooting at me that day. Heaven forbid your old enemies should start digging through your records.

Join me, and pull those wayward brothers back to the warrior code.

Sincerely, JFK.

P.S. By the way, why did you see fit to publish your letter for the whole world to see? Are you seriously trying to engage me like a brother and a fellow warrior? Or are you just trying to play politics too? Seems that if you were serious, you would have talked to me privately, remember like we used to do, and not dragged me through the mud with your public letter. Doing so, of course, opens you up to the same kind of treatment and removes any deference that was owed to you for your honorable service. Remember, I didn't want to make my record the center of attention but **** like this leaves me little choice, doesn't it? Just a thought.

[mobster]

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[Beowulf]

Wednesday, August 25, 2004
Letter to John Kerry

August 25, 2004

Senator John Kerry
304 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510

Dear Senator Kerry,

We are pleased to welcome your campaign representatives to Texas today. We honor all our veterans, all whom have worn the uniform and served our country. We also honor the military and National Guard troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan today. We are very proud of all of them and believe they deserve our full support.

That’s why so many veterans are troubled by your vote AGAINST funding for our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, after you voted FOR sending them into battle. And that’s why we are so concerned about the comments you made AFTER you came home from Vietnam. You accused your fellow veterans of terrible atrocities – and, to this day, you have never apologized. Even last night, you claimed to be proud of your post-war condemnation of our actions.

We’re proud of our service in Vietnam. We served honorably in Vietnam and we were deeply hurt and offended by your comments when you came home.

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t build your convention and much of your campaign around your service in Vietnam, and then try to say that only those veterans who agree with you have a right to speak up. There is no double standard for our right to free speech. We all earned it.

You said in 1992 “we do not need to divide America over who served and how.” Yet you and your surrogates continue to criticize President Bush for his service as a fighter pilot in the National Guard.

We are veterans too – and proud to support President Bush. He’s been a strong leader, with a record of outstanding support for our veterans and for our troops in combat. He’s made sure that our troops in combat have the equipment and support they need to accomplish their mission.

He has increased the VA health care budget more than 40% since 2001 – in fact, during his four years in office, President Bush has increased veterans funding twice as much as the previous administration did in eight years ($22 billion over 4 years compared to $10 billion over 8.) And he’s praised the service of all who served our country, including your service in Vietnam.

We urge you to condemn the double standard that you and your campaign have enforced regarding a veteran’s right to openly express their feelings about your activities on return from Vietnam.

Sincerely,

Texas State Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson
Rep. Duke Cunningham
Rep. Duncan Hunter
Rep. Sam Johnson
Lt. General David Palmer
Robert O'Malley, Medal of Honor Recipient
James Fleming, Medal of Honor Recipient
Lieutenant Colonel Richard Castle (Ret.)

Dear Vets:

Don't be troubled. Instead, try to educate yourselves on the record of who actually voted for what and when. Talk to your own CIC about flack jackets and etc. Once you break free from your talk radio icons and start thinking for yourselves, get back to me and we'll talk. Remember, you are no longer in the service and you are now free to think for yourselves. Indeed, since you don't have to do what your told anymore, you can actually stick up for the men and women over there who can't. You've been out for decades now. They can't send you to Levenworth now for speaking what you and I know to be the truth.

You can tell their CIC he's full of **** to send them over there for no good reason. Tell him his crap about WMDs and Osama links is no more credible than the swill we all swallowed about the Gulf of Tonkin and freedom for a bunch of rice farmers from communism, who really just wanted us to go away. Instead of walking away from the men in uniform, take their six and cover their ass back here in the states from those right wing neocon chickenhawks who would send them to war for oil.

Also, remember that I did not accuse anyone of atrocities. Rather, I just relayed what those who committed them actually told me. Did I mention your name? No. Then why get your panties in a bunch? If the shoe don't fit, why are you wearing it? You feeling guilty about something? If you served honorably and abided the laws of war, then I guess I wasn't talking about you, now was I? However, if you were over there, in the ****, and you didn't see atrocities, then all I can say is you must have had a different corner of the war from the rest of us saw.

Of course I am proud of my post war condemnations. To bad you all didn't join me. How many more of our men would we have saved if you would have fought the war with me when you got out instead of sending more men to die for a mistake? What's that you say? You actually think we would have won if we all would have just followed the party line? You don't remember the Charlie I remember. You don't remember all we threw at him, like more than all of WW1 and WW2 combined. Little guy just kept coming, didn't he. Got to respect that.

We were wrong to be there. *We* may have had honorable intentions for going, but the assholes who sent us were no better than the shrub and his neocon chickenhawks. Admit it and get over it. We were good, honorable men but we were used by bad, dishonorable men.

Also, I really didn't want to build my whole campaign around my service. But your CIC and his neocon henchmen chickenhawks who weren't over there with us were trying to convince Americans that liberals don't have any spine and couldn't fight with honor. You and I all know, however, that such is not true. Many a poor, uneducated, minority kid, and those most likely to vote dem or be a liberal, actually took alot of the brunt of the war over there. You remember, don't you? I just felt compelled to fight *into* the chickenhawk ambush instead of running from it. You know about that kind of thing, right?

Why don't you join me, tell your fellow Swiftboat Liars for Bush to STFU and quit dishonoring the uniform and all vets like you and me? Then we can get back to the real issues, like how your CIC has trashed the economy, the environment and sold out all the people in the armed services.

Me and my people don't continue to trash your CIC for his service as a fighter pilot in the NG. We trash him for his lack of service as a fighter pilot in the NG. We all know he left us hanging over there while he was sucking brews stateside and working politics like a real silver spoon. I'm surprised you suppor that little monkey. He can't even speak. Look at the man behind the curtain.

Also, try and educate yourselves about what the Shrub has actually done and not done for vets. Find out when he went along on legislation, kicking and screaming, only to take credit later. Then ask yourself about whether any of it was worth the dieing, the maiming and the killing. For what? Abdul, who, like Charlie, doesn't even want us there and never posed a threat to us?

Finally, I never said you all can't voice your opinion about my actions when I defended my fellow servicemen when I came home from war. Sure, you don't like the fact that I tried to, along with countless thousands of other true American patriots and vets, actually did save the lives of untold numbers of men in uniform by ending that stupid mistake of a war and waste of lives. You remember the old warrior code, when in the heat of battle, the only thing that matters is the guy next to you? You can blame me for taking that home with me and continuing to do my best by them. But that doesn't mean you should take what I said out of context and lie to the American people, telling them I accused YOU of atrocities. You are free to be wrong, but don't lie to the American people. You disgrace the uniform when you do. Remember, honorable service in the past does not give us a pass now, does it? We have to continue to act honorably and not **** on everyone who ever earned a medal. Heaven forbid we should all have our past questioned the way the enlisted gunner on the boat has. What's he tell his kids about his Bronze Star? Well, son, I guess Charlie really wasn't shooting at me that day. Heaven forbid your old enemies should start digging through your records.

Join me, and pull those wayward brothers back to the warrior code.

Sincerely, JFK.

P.S. By the way, why did you see fit to publish your letter for the whole world to see? Are you seriously trying to engage me like a brother and a fellow warrior? Or are you just trying to play politics too? Seems that if you were serious, you would have talked to me privately, remember like we used to do, and not dragged me through the mud with your public letter. Doing so, of course, opens you up to the same kind of treatment and removes any deference that was owed to you for your honorable service. Remember, I didn't want to make my record the center of attention but **** like this leaves me little choice, doesn't it? Just a thought.

did you write that yourself....in the first person, as Sen. Kerry?

[basket of soft kittens]

why is it the democrats/liberals/conspiracy theorists thinking that anone who supports bush or dose not agree with their opinions are machines for the upper escholon of society? that because people in the service take orders they cant think for themselves ? and that they happen to listen to certain programs , they are brainwashed bafoons mindlessly checking boxes on the voting ballot ? you say this . Huck Mucus

"Once you break free from your talk radio icons and start thinking for yourselves, get back to me and we'll talk. Remember, you are no longer in the service and you are now free to think for yourselves. Indeed, since you don't have to do what your told anymore, you can actually stick up for the men and women over there who can't"

you think you are crusaders for truth tha?t you are enlightened because you dont agree with mainstream american ? shut up with your holyer than thou bullcrap.

[percell_086]

My whole family is in the army, My dad when to the Balkan for 3 tours and Afghanistan, my bro went to Kosovo for 4 months, my grandpa went to Korea, my uncle has been to the Balkan and Afghanistan, a very good mate of mine is currently in Afghanistan.. does this count???
When I'm of age (yeahyeah I know, it wasn't adressed to me) I will join the army, maybe in my country or go to the US to join there.
Why can't people who are Pro-War sit behind their computer?

cheers Percell
ps: Vote President Bush

BTW; President Bush is still a president, so have the respect to call him a president, you fairy f*ck.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Dear Vets:

Don't be troubled. Instead, try to educate yourselves on the record of who actually voted for what and when. Talk to your own CIC about flack jackets and etc. Once you break free from your talk radio icons and start thinking for yourselves, get back to me and we'll talk. Remember, you are no longer in the service and you are now free to think for yourselves. Indeed, since you don't have to do what your told anymore, you can actually stick up for the men and women over there who can't. You've been out for decades now. They can't send you to Levenworth now for speaking what you and I know to be the truth.

You can tell their CIC he's full of **** to send them over there for no good reason. Tell him his crap about WMDs and Osama links is no more credible than the swill we all swallowed about the Gulf of Tonkin and freedom for a bunch of rice farmers from communism, who really just wanted us to go away. Instead of walking away from the men in uniform, take their six and cover their ass back here in the states from those right wing neocon chickenhawks who would send them to war for oil.

Also, remember that I did not accuse anyone of atrocities. Rather, I just relayed what those who committed them actually told me. Did I mention your name? No. Then why get your panties in a bunch? If the shoe don't fit, why are you wearing it? You feeling guilty about something? If you served honorably and abided the laws of war, then I guess I wasn't talking about you, now was I? However, if you were over there, in the ****, and you didn't see atrocities, then all I can say is you must have had a different corner of the war from the rest of us saw.

Of course I am proud of my post war condemnations. To bad you all didn't join me. How many more of our men would we have saved if you would have fought the war with me when you got out instead of sending more men to die for a mistake? What's that you say? You actually think we would have won if we all would have just followed the party line? You don't remember the Charlie I remember. You don't remember all we threw at him, like more than all of WW1 and WW2 combined. Little guy just kept coming, didn't he. Got to respect that.

We were wrong to be there. *We* may have had honorable intentions for going, but the assholes who sent us were no better than the shrub and his neocon chickenhawks. Admit it and get over it. We were good, honorable men but we were used by bad, dishonorable men.

Also, I really didn't want to build my whole campaign around my service. But your CIC and his neocon henchmen chickenhawks who weren't over there with us were trying to convince Americans that liberals don't have any spine and couldn't fight with honor. You and I all know, however, that such is not true. Many a poor, uneducated, minority kid, and those most likely to vote dem or be a liberal, actually took alot of the brunt of the war over there. You remember, don't you? I just felt compelled to fight *into* the chickenhawk ambush instead of running from it. You know about that kind of thing, right?

Why don't you join me, tell your fellow Swiftboat Liars for Bush to STFU and quit dishonoring the uniform and all vets like you and me? Then we can get back to the real issues, like how your CIC has trashed the economy, the environment and sold out all the people in the armed services.

Me and my people don't continue to trash your CIC for his service as a fighter pilot in the NG. We trash him for his lack of service as a fighter pilot in the NG. We all know he left us hanging over there while he was sucking brews stateside and working politics like a real silver spoon. I'm surprised you suppor that little monkey. He can't even speak. Look at the man behind the curtain.

Also, try and educate yourselves about what the Shrub has actually done and not done for vets. Find out when he went along on legislation, kicking and screaming, only to take credit later. Then ask yourself about whether any of it was worth the dieing, the maiming and the killing. For what? Abdul, who, like Charlie, doesn't even want us there and never posed a threat to us?

Finally, I never said you all can't voice your opinion about my actions when I defended my fellow servicemen when I came home from war. Sure, you don't like the fact that I tried to, along with countless thousands of other true American patriots and vets, actually did save the lives of untold numbers of men in uniform by ending that stupid mistake of a war and waste of lives. You remember the old warrior code, when in the heat of battle, the only thing that matters is the guy next to you? You can blame me for taking that home with me and continuing to do my best by them. But that doesn't mean you should take what I said out of context and lie to the American people, telling them I accused YOU of atrocities. You are free to be wrong, but don't lie to the American people. You disgrace the uniform when you do. Remember, honorable service in the past does not give us a pass now, does it? We have to continue to act honorably and not **** on everyone who ever earned a medal. Heaven forbid we should all have our past questioned the way the enlisted gunner on the boat has. What's he tell his kids about his Bronze Star? Well, son, I guess Charlie really wasn't shooting at me that day. Heaven forbid your old enemies should start digging through your records.

Join me, and pull those wayward brothers back to the warrior code.

Sincerely, JFK.

P.S. By the way, why did you see fit to publish your letter for the whole world to see? Are you seriously trying to engage me like a brother and a fellow warrior? Or are you just trying to play politics too? Seems that if you were serious, you would have talked to me privately, remember like we used to do, and not dragged me through the mud with your public letter. Doing so, of course, opens you up to the same kind of treatment and removes any deference that was owed to you for your honorable service. Remember, I didn't want to make my record the center of attention but **** like this leaves me little choice, doesn't it? Just a thought.

Dearest "JFK"

I regret to infahm you that you ah not in fact the ahctual JFK. When I was killed in Dallas, I haad no idea that such a leftist self promoting tool would hijack my initials, and try to use my legacy as his own.

Oh yes, I rememba when you wehr on my yaaaht as a teenagah, and how you studied my Boston twang (and got it dahn neah right!), how you idolized me ahnd even fancied yourself the commandah of your very own PT-109!

Unfortunately, you haav simply failed to meshah up. Yo-wah military record is a tattahed mess of haaf truths, conflicting stories, supressed repohts, unreleased documents, and re-issued documets custom made fowah the press. Yo-wah voting reckid on all things military has been a disgrace...and that's when you even bothahed to show up for the votes, or attend comittee meetings. Yes, we both know the JFK hairdo requiyas a lot of time and attention, but come on man - yo-wah being paid to attend these things.

Any man pretending to be as smaaaht as me should know that if you make your military experience the centahpiece of your platform, that people have the right to question it. Why caahnt you be like that nice Bush fellow, and just use your 4 month military time as a line item on your resume? Oh no, mighty JFK joonya over theya as to hold up the flaag on the bow of his PT boat and sing the national anthem as the wind blows through his haiya. You sorry bastid - did you think that nobody would find out?

Haav you finished writing you-wa thank you caahds to Howaad Dean for handing you the nomination? If that nut job hadn't mentally shat himself on television, you'd be back slurping the ketchup queen by now. But sometimes even second rate people cahn rise to the top - my dumb ahs brotha Ted haas done pretty well for himself, considering that he's also a drunken idiot.

Besides yowa stellah military carreah- what exactly is your platform? Anybody...anybody? Does anybody here now what this mahns' plans aah for the country? I didn't think so. So please Johnny, just drop the pretentious "JFK" thing, ahnd rename yohself mowah in line with reality - fowa the person who you truly owe the most to. Thahts right - change yowa last name to Heinz - although it will be much haadah for you to baash big business with a name like that.

Peace out to all my beyaches
Jack Kennedy

[budanski]

rofl Props for the bean town accent

[Trigger]

^"....like a Tomahawk jumpin' on a SCUD" ~ Sir Mix-a-Lot woot

[California Joe]

Pretty goddamned funny 2Sheds. rofl

[KB]

Fortunate Son

(John Fogerty)

Some folks are born
made to wave the flag,
Ooh, they're red, whit and blue.
And when the band plays "Hail to the chief",
they point the cannon right at you.

It ain't me,
it ain't me.
I ain't no senator's son.
It ain't me,
it ain't me.
I ain't no fortunate one.

Some folks are born
silver spoon in hand,
Lord don't they help themselves.
But when the tax man comes to the door,
Lord, the house looks like a rummage sale.

It ain't me,
it ain't me.
I ain't no millionaire's son.
It ain't me,
it ain't me.
I ain't no fortunate one.

Some folks inherit
star spangled eyes,
Ooh, they send you down to war.
And when you ask them,
"How much should we give?"
They only answer "More! More! More!"

It ain't me,
it ain't me.
I ain't no military son.
It ain't me,
it ain't me.
I ain't no fortunate one.

It ain't me,
it ain't me.
I ain't no Fortunate Son.

[OB Kenobi]

Tell me, must I oppose all wars?

No, but you must oppose some wars. Especially ones waged by oil-sucking crooks.

I didn't oppose taking out the remnants of the CIA's terrorists in Afghanistan for instance, that was pretty much a good thing, but Iraq is a far different story. Iraq was planned years ago by the Neocons and the long-time chickenhawks before 9/11 and is part of an offensive, conquest-oriented strategy, rather than a defensive one. It assumes we are at war with someone, even though we may have not been. Are we at war? With who? "Terror"? Who are the terrorists? Where do they come from? Did attacking Iraq help our cause, or help their cause?

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[Sayeret]

Why do you assume I am anti-war? I've probably forgotten more about war then you'll ever experience, for which you should thank God. Hell man,