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Lt-Col A. Tack
06-07-2011, 03:09 PM
Uploaded by thedewline on Jun 7, 2011

Dan Seal, program manager of Boeing's immersive development environment, briefs reporters on the company's new tools for designing the next generation of air dominance fighters.

The 7 June brief in St. Louis shows Boeing is serious about competing for the US Navy's long-term requirement for replacing the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqkJrZQkr8w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDfqJP34XyU

C.Puffs
06-07-2011, 03:21 PM
They're in an interesting situation when it comes to engines. If they pick either of the current advanced engines in production (F119 & F135) they'll have to go single-engine else the cost will be in the F-22 range. If they go single engine what's going distinguish their entry from the F-35C?

Lt-Col A. Tack
06-07-2011, 03:48 PM
Interesting, had not thought of that.

TheBroncos
06-07-2011, 03:52 PM
Is it me, or I have to cross my eyes to focus on those graph?

Abanamat85
06-07-2011, 03:56 PM
They're in an interesting situation when it comes to engines. If they pick either of the current advanced engines in production (F119 & F135) they'll have to go single-engine else the cost will be in the F-22 range. If they go single engine what's going distinguish their entry from the F-35C?

Surely if there's a need, an advanced smaller engine could be developed, something like an F414 variant

C.Puffs
06-07-2011, 04:02 PM
Surely if there's a need, an advanced smaller engine could be developed, something like an F414 variant

Cha-ching.

Abanamat85
06-07-2011, 04:11 PM
Cha-ching.

Well, yeah, sadly, but what are the alternatives? Stop development? Buy foreign?

C.Puffs
06-07-2011, 04:44 PM
Well, yeah, sadly, but what are the alternatives? Stop development? Buy foreign?

They'll probably replace the Super Hornets with more F-35s. The idea's already being floated.

Beast of war
06-07-2011, 05:25 PM
They'll probably replace the Super Hornets with more F-35s. The idea's already being floated.


Lockheed F-35C emerges as candidate for future US Navy contract
The Lockheed Martin F-35 has emerged for the first time as a candidate to replace a fleet of 556 Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets as a carrier-based air dominance fighter for the US Navy after 2025.
The official disclosure by the Department of Defense in a 31 May report to Congress has put Boeing on the defensive as it continues to offer the F/A-18E/F as an alternative to the F-35 in international fighter competitions.
For more than a decade, the navy has planned to buy 220 F-35Cs to replace older-model F/A-18C/D Hornets as a multi-role attack and fighter aircraft. The service is still buying new F/A-18E/Fs, but is already analysing options for a replacement programme starting after 2020 called the next-generation air dominance (NGAD) fighter.
The NGAD aircraft is intended to perform the role once championed by the swing-wing Grumman F-14 Tomcat until its retirement in 2006, when it was replaced by the Super Hornet.

MORE!:Lockheed F-35C emerges as candidate for future US Navy contract (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/06/02/357450/lockheed-f-35c-emerges-as-candidate-for-future-us-navy.html)

Soldat_Américain
06-09-2011, 12:29 PM
Boeing has a solid chance at winning this contract. I like their bid...f-35(C) is becoming a bottomless pit. I want Boeing to win, as their concept is way sexier...my only question is about the external carrying of ordinance in the CAD model...how much would that increase the radar signature since that was the whole point of the F-22 and F-35, internal carrying of ordinance.

Go with two engines.

Zerazax
06-09-2011, 12:49 PM
Yep, and if nothing else, Boeing will provide competition to the F35 which has become one mess of a project

FunYun
06-09-2011, 01:20 PM
Is it me, or I have to cross my eyes to focus on those graph?


Its a 3D video.

Soldat_Américain
06-09-2011, 01:21 PM
****...I felt like I was on acid or all of a sudden had duplopia.

Halidon
06-10-2011, 02:23 AM
Should be noted that there's no real contract to win right now. In the unclassified world, if someone proposed a 6th-gen fighter program right now they'd be lynched/tea-bagged by every opportunistic ******* in DC. Everyone "knows" it will happen, USAF even has a preliminary name (Next Generation Tactical Aircraft), but it's going to be a slow burn for now. Unless Leon drops the Axe on F-35 and launches 6th-gen to take its place, but that's a long shot.

At any rate, if they want to do 6th-gen right they need to make the Navy lead agency.