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Smok
11-03-2011, 03:38 PM
Look here guys:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FT17Kabul.jpg
What cannon is mounted in that tank? It is not a standard Puteaux (barrel is too long).
Also that Finnish FT-17 from Parola museum has longer barrel.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ft17_parola_1.jpg

Just compare it with that original FT-17
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:FT_17.jpg

Do you know what cannons were fitted in these tanks?
Piirka
11-03-2011, 03:52 PM
Look here guys:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FT17Kabul.jpg
What cannon is mounted in that tank? It is not a standard Puteaux (barrel is too long).
Also that Finnish FT-17 from Parola museum has longer barrel.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ft17_parola_1.jpg

Just compare it with that original FT-17
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:FT_17.jpg

Do you know what cannons were fitted in these tanks?

Maybe it is Fiat 3000b?
Wally1967
11-03-2011, 03:52 PM
Hmmm do know prolly just a pipe for decoration?

Anyone know the weird weapon mount in the background most likey for Trench warefare?

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:FT_17.jpg
YLeduc
11-03-2011, 04:05 PM
how did these tanks make their way to afghanistan?
JCR
11-03-2011, 04:07 PM
how did these tanks make their way to afghanistan?

They bought them.
Like Breguet and Hawker Hart bombers and Fury fighters, Junkers F13 passenger planes, german trains, a Maybach for the King etc etc.
In the 1920s Afghanistan was probably more modern than today.
Re the barrel it could well be that they fitted another gun, either as an afghan modification or in the museum.
AFAIK the FT-17s recovered in Kabul were part of the Afghan army museum which of course turned into a junk yard as everything else.
Piirka
11-03-2011, 04:20 PM
Hmmm do know prolly just a pipe for decoration?


That actually seems most likely. They didn't like the puny barrel and improved it...
Smok
11-03-2011, 04:26 PM
Hmmm do know prolly just a pipe for decoration?

Anyone know the weird weapon mount in the background most likey for Trench warefare?

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:FT_17.jpg

I think it is early version of AA gun. 75 mm model 1897 were mounted on such cariages to shot enemy baloons and planes. OK - try to shot ;)
Piirka
11-03-2011, 04:28 PM
how did these tanks make their way to afghanistan?

On this site there's some speculation:

http://colonialwarfare18901975.devhub.com/blog/576270-renault-ft-17/
(http://colonialwarfare18901975.devhub.com/blog/576270-renault-ft-17/)
JamesH - January 14, 2011 7:24 AM There is no evidence that the British used Renault FTs in Afghanistan. The curator at Fort Knox, who restored one of the vehicles, believes that the Afghan Renaults were examples bought by Poland and captured by the USSR during the Polish-Soviet War of 1919. His opinion is that they were presented when Afghanistan became the first state to officially recognise the Soviet Union under the Afghan-Soviet Treaty of 1921.
LineDoggie
11-03-2011, 04:52 PM
Hmmm do know prolly just a pipe for decoration?

Anyone know the weird weapon mount in the background most likey for Trench warefare?

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:FT_17.jpgAnti Aircraft high angle modification
SoSo
11-03-2011, 05:02 PM
Could it be that the Afghan FT-17s were the last of their type to serve anywhere in the world?
Story
11-03-2011, 05:20 PM
On this site there's some speculation:<br>
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<a href="http://colonialwarfare18901975.devhub.com/blog/576270-renault-ft-17/" target="_blank">http://colonialwarfare18901975.devhub.com/blog/576270-renault-ft-17/</a><a href="http://colonialwarfare18901975.devhub.com/blog/576270-renault-ft-17/" target="_blank"><br>
</a><br><br>Interesting. In that case, look at this page - particularly the length of the tube in the second photo<br><a href="http://derela.republika.pl/en/ft17.htm">http://derela.republika.pl/en/ft17.htm<br><br><br></a>
Story
11-03-2011, 05:34 PM
On this site there's some speculation:

http://colonialwarfare18901975.devhub.com/blog/576270-renault-ft-17/
(http://colonialwarfare18901975.devhub.com/blog/576270-renault-ft-17/)

Interesting - in that case, look at the second photo on this page - same long barrel http://derela.republika.pl/en/ft17.htm

Yet he claims the Poles only mounted the L/21 37mm
Smok
11-03-2011, 05:47 PM
I'm interested in Polish pre WW2 armored vehicles and I haven't heard about mounting any other guns in our FT-17. That second photo shows FT-17 with machine gun (Hotchkiss Mle 14 or 25) instead of cannon.
Piirka
11-03-2011, 06:01 PM
In a landships forum there was also talk about that same tank, they had come to the same conclusion as Wally, that the barrel was a mockup.
Szarko32c
10-21-2012, 09:38 AM
http://www.altair.com.pl/files/news/photos/8/8865/i-i12-01-150_kabul.jpg
FT-17 used probably in Polish-Bolshevik war in 1920, captured by Red Army, donated to Afghan Emir in 1923.
full story and photos: http://www.mfa.gov.pl/en/news/historic_tank_to_return_to_poland_from_afghanistan?searchCategory=Text&search=true