*Official* ArmChair Generals Thread!

[Fee Fi Fo Fum]

i have been infulenced by a program called 'Crisis Command' on bbc2

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/listings/programme.shtml?day=sunday&service_id=4224&filename=20040905/20040905_2100_4224_22580_60

To make a thread like this, i feel it could work but i have doubts.... heres how it works...

- You will be giving a situation (Terriost attack, invasion, hostage etc) and as an 'armchair general' you will have to decide the best method to approach this.... you dissuss your ideas between yourselves and come to the conclusion who wins! when it has finished and we have decided who
wins, then we can post a new situation!

do not post a new scenario while 1 is currently on!


ill start...

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28th September 2004

New York City

17:54pm

Reports have been confirmed that the Ritz Carlton hotel has been takin over by terrorists, with a confirmed 192 hostages inside...

the Terrorists have managed to get contact with the govement and have demanded US troops leave Iraq or we will blow the building killing all inside....

a guy managed to call the police on his phone, on a description of the terrorists he said some of them where armed with ak's and some had clearly have explosives on there chest, before the phone call was ended....

http://www.areahotelguide.com/qbo_ritz_c_ex.jpg

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The goverment has asked militaryphotos.net whats the best approch to resolve this...

they done a satelite thermal scan on the hotel and here is a layout of the crisis....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/supremeassassin/hotel.jpg

they are ignoring all messages off the govement now and demand that the US leave iraq!

DEADLINE: 48 Hours

the president has made clear that getting these 192 hostages out alive is the main priority! but will not give in to the terrorists demands!

for the purposes of this, we have to keep it to the Ground floor

its now up to you! you have access to any counter terrorist teams you wish...! but you must direct them step by step in how to enter the building and how to save the hostages! Good Luck!

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[Roger Rabbit]

The building looks like a multi-story building, are all the terrorists and hostages just on one floor? If so which floor?

[Fee Fi Fo Fum]

The building looks like a multi-story building, are all the terrorists and hostages just on one floor? If so which floor?

for the purposes of this, we have to keep it to the Ground floor, sorry i forgot to mention this....

[Porta_jon]

Easy, remove all US trops from iraq, bring home the boys. The hostages will be set free. then we escort the terrorists (now our friends) back to thier country. kill em with kindness my mom used to say

[Fee Fi Fo Fum]

i guess it was a waste of time making this huh :|

[ShadowNeo]

The goverment has asked militaryphotos.net whats the best approch to resolve this...

The government must be pretty desperate :lol: .

[Kriz]

Talk/negiotiate with the terrorists, ask if they can release the children and maybe the women inside.

[Fee Fi Fo Fum]

Talk/negiotiate with the terrorists, ask if they can release the children and maybe the women inside.

Your actions fail, they reply saying, we want the release the the US troops, we will not compromise with anything else....

[dacanadianbomb]

Gimme a moment,I am striking sponsorship deals and movie rights for my actions, no really thinkin something up, will get back to this.

[GrimReaper]

Well, if I'm the armchair general, and an irremovable leader in addition I order the building bombed with terrorists and hostages inside.

In more realistic way, I'll go Russian on them. After studying the vent system, use instant acting nerve gas in the fastest coverage possible, and then immediate assault and evacuation with dozens of EMT trained assaulters and ample med-evacs waiting outside.

[dacanadianbomb]

A couple of questions, are the guards moving or stationary?
I assume there is no way of moving in from the south side of the building ? The west doesnt seem to have any windows, is it possible to move along the west side of the building ?
Are all the doors closed or open?
Is there the any more information available?
How many hsotages are aloud to die befoer the mission is coined a failure?
How many CTs are aloud to be lost before the mission is coined a failure ?
Have they had any demands for supplies? food water ?
How many are armed with explosives, all ts or only the ones in the hostage rooms?
What is the top limit of men allowed to be used for the mission, how many medics,shooters,snipers?
Is it security glass or simple , double pane or single? <- sound insulation factor?

A lot of questions that one probably in real lfie has very few answers to:-) but hey this is armchair :-)

[bison3255]

blow up the building, then utterly destroy 10 iraqi cities in revenge?

[platform389]

The goverment has asked militaryphotos.net whats the best approch to resolve this...

The government must be pretty desperate :lol: .

Indeed... Kerry must have won the election. rofl

[Fee Fi Fo Fum]

A couple of questions, are the guards moving or stationary?

stationary


I assume there is no way of moving in from the south side of the building ?

windows and front entrance are only ways in...


The west doesnt seem to have any windows, is it possible to move along the west side of the building ?

sadly no, you must get in via windows, you could blow a hole in the wall, but if the terrorists are alerted its game over


Are all the doors closed or open?

closed...


Is there the any more information available?

not at the moment, but if you have a question just ask


How many hsotages are aloud to die befoer the mission is coined a failure?

consider this a real event, people may die but keeping hostages alive is key... its up to you


How many CTs are aloud to be lost before the mission is coined a failure ?

as least as possible, same for question above


Have they had any demands for supplies? food water ?

no the have plenty of supplies, hotel storage...


How many are armed with explosives, all ts or only the ones in the hostage rooms?

unconfirmed, the phone call ended before that question was answered


What is the top limit of men allowed to be used for the mission, how many medics,shooters,snipers?

as many as needed to get the job done!


Is it security glass or simple , double pane or single? <- sound insulation factor?

double pane windows... all windows have been blocked with curtains, and objects!


A lot of questions that one probably in real lfie has very few answers to:-) but hey this is armchair :-)

i have to format my pc now (pc problems) so ill try to get back ASAP

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Send in the milphotos.net airsoft team...they'd be like "OMG DELTA HAXXORS? !!!!1111 we R gonna bit3 the Big CH0d3!!!"

And then they would flee the building only to face the wrath of our hi cap magazines. 6mm plastic death all the way! :lol:

[James]

Wait 47.5 hours, keeping the baddies awake the entire time. Then, storm the place. Hit the three locations w/ hostages all at the same time, get them out, then deal with the rest of the terrorists.

What kind of system do the Hajis have to set off their bombs?

[PsihoKeke]

I have a cunning plan, but first I need to know where the staircase from first floor is located (it's not on the map) and if the terorists have radio conenctions.

[HooyahCQB]

(This is all in good fun...no blasting!)

Screw the rules. CT Teams don't play by them

Start moving troops out of Iraq ASAP, so however they get their information, they'll hear that we're evacuating. They'll start to get comfortable, celebrate, relax, and generally not pay attention. After they know that we've started to evacuate and get stupid, we hit 'em.

I'd suppose, due to Posse Comitus, i'd use FBI HRT. They'd study the whole bottom floor and approaches that can and can't be seen through the windows. They'd use suppressed submachine guns. 10 operators are needed as well as 1 sniper

First Team has 4 operators that enter the west door, pick the lock if needed, and approach the room with the most hostages. One operator continues through hallways to meet up with operators from Team 2

The first 3 operators of Team 2 enter the building but rush into Tremont on the right if the door is open. If it isn't, they take out the guys in the hall before entering the room and saving the hostages

Second Team comes in the front door right after the first. The second group of 3 operators take out the guards in the first hall, and continue down to Boylston, where they meet the operator from Team One and bust in on the last room, eliminating all the tangos, saving the hostages, and then drink beer later downtown :)

All the while, an HRT sniper is situated in an adjacent building using a highpowered bolt action rifle with thermal optics. He'll see if the window is barricaded, and if it is, will not fire but confirm enemy positions. If it is not barricaded well and has a clear shot, he can take out one tango right before the last 3 operators storm in the room. This is also how we know that the terrs are starting to celebrate.

This, of course, has to be done using ammunition that maintains stability through glass. With a little luck and no Mr. Murphy, people will live.

No flashbangs, they make too much noise.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/HooyahCQB/plan.jpg

I didn't see that other door into Tremont. If I weren't lazy to change the picture, i'd send an operator through that door too, and the west door to Boylston

This is how i'd do it in Rainbow Six, lol

[NeedsABetterName]

OK cordon off the area to anybody but law enforcement and military.Wait 47.5 hours(as james said,to keep 'em waiting) and then make the assault.Use some sort of radio frequency jammer.Crash through the front door with some sort of large vehicle(Possibly a garbage truck or dump truck.)Storm the place through the front.As this is going on,make a stealth entry through the back,using suppressed weapons and take out the terrorists guarding the hostages.As this is going on,another assault group,this one flying in by helicopter,will fast rope onto the roof and be used as a "mop up" group.Conduct a room to room search until all hostages are freed and the terrorists are either killed or captured.

[Roger Rabbit]

I might come up with a plan later. One thing i wouldnt do is move any troops from Iraq. Its just not feasibly possible without jepodising the saftey of the troops.

My way of thinking at the moment is using gas and first off regaining control over the area where the 120 hostages are. That way a majority will survive.

[Minjin]

One problem with asking here for a plan: All the bickering over which CTs to use, cause they are ALL the best according to someone, heheheh.

But the above plan is intriguing, I have to admit.

[Moledet]

http://img9.exs.cx/img9/3439/hotel2.jpg

[GrimReaper]

http://img9.exs.cx/img9/3439/hotel2.jpg
rofl rofl rofl

[NeedsABetterName]

To further elaborate on my plan,I have made this map of the assault.Total time on target is no less than 8 miniutes until mop up team moves in.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/SeanBoers/hotel2.jpg



Also,can I make up the next scenario?Puhleeeeeeeeeze?

[Khabbi]

just send in John McClain

[Flagg]

I'd snatch one prisoner

Demo the entire building with every terrorist and hostage in it.

Hire actor Kevin Spacey to convince the snatched terrorist that "Holy sh!t! You've REALLY pissed off Kaiser Sosa now!"

And send him on the next flight back to the ME to tell all his terrorist buddies not to mess with Kasier Sosa p-)

The world would then be free from future terrorism...I'm a genius

[FDF_Hemppis]

Why make it so complicated?

I'd send in MacGyver armed with a Swiss army knife and some duct tape... p-)

[BarkingSquirrel]

You forgot his Q-Tip.

[garyfanclub]

I say we give peace a chance and use government funds to medicate the premises with high-grade marijuana and some nice Bob Marley music. They'll practically run out of the building themselves when they get the munchies.

[James]

I'd snatch one prisoner

Demo the entire building with every terrorist and hostage in it.

Hire actor Kevin Spacey to convince the snatched terrorist that "Holy sh!t! You've REALLY pissed off Kaiser Sosa now!"

And send him on the next flight back to the ME to tell all his terrorist buddies not to mess with Kasier Sosa p-)

The world would then be free from future terrorism...I'm a genius

That is an AWESOME plan! rofl

[James]

You're making this complicated Tane... Jeez...

[Mongrel]

Send in the milphotos.net airsoft team...they'd be like "OMG DELTA HAXXORS? !!!!1111 we R gonna bit3 the Big CH0d3!!!"

And then they would flee the building only to face the wrath of our hi cap magazines. 6mm plastic death all the way!

rofl Oh man I liked this one. LOL!
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Now onto biz' say to hell with the ER teams as they in over their heads...send in 10 Candian Militia Sergeants armed for bear (from BC), and they will get the job done, with plenty of time to catch the hockey game on TV. :D

Cheers!
M.

[PsihoKeke]

Cordon off whole area to make shure there are no spotters. Take-over team would be from Delta. Action would start douring night when team1 (12 man) would parachute at the top of the building (helicopters are to noisy). This team would insert odorless sedative into buildings ventilation which would lenghten terorists reaction time. Through staircase (i guess it's room next to prefunction) team would proceed to ground floor and drop the terorist guarding it with their MP-5 SDs, they would enter the corridor next to the room containing 120 hostages, droping the terorist in the corridor. Four man would place wall breaching charge and wait, another four would position themselwes next to doors. The rest would position themselwes at the door too prefunction.
After team1 is in position external teams go into action too. Operators from team1 simultaniously blow the wall and door to room with 120 hostages and gun down tangos. The other four kill tango sanding before Boylston room and engage tangos in elevator lobby. Snipers with thermal sights waste two tangos in Boylston room, the third is taken out by the team that blasts it's way through the other window. Tremont's outer door is breached room flashbanged and cleared by one team (people usually go down and curl into ball at flashbangs). Sweep group (not necesarry Delta) enters through main door, clears away tangos, moves to elevator lobby, clearing floor room after room. One team immediatley enters Boylston moves out hostages. Sweep group takes over evacuation of hostages.

[Hellman109]

Did he say DELTA

OH NOES, CALL THE POLICE!

[Roger Rabbit]

Not to be pain in the neck, but what if the hostate-takers have respirators? What if they have people outside the building, in adjacent buildings, in the media, in NYPD? What if they have someone in FDNY who relays a warning right after the EMTs are told to get their ambulances ready to go? What if there hostage takers have an accomplice outside the perimeter, ready to detonate the explosives via a call to a cell phone? The building gets cleared, the rescue successful, and then, as investigators go in, detonation? What if there are snipers in nearby buildings, or buildings surrounding the likely staging area? What if there is another incident at the same time?

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

Well we'll need more gas then p-)

[dacanadianbomb]

James had a good quesion about how the Ts are going to det explosives. Are they going to set them off at the firs sign of action ?
If thats so ,at one group of hostages is going to die.

[Fee Fi Fo Fum]

wow great replys guys.... and sure whoever wants to make a new scenario go right ahead!

[kaman]

New Scenario

30 Armed men, RPG's, AK's, PKM's take 1000 people hostage. Everything is minded, ****ytrapped. There's explosive belts. The captors control the perimeter. They shoot at anything that moves.
Here's the drawing, ignore the text
http://www.itar-tass.com/img/img_1219697_0013.jpg
The hostages are in the left building. There's gunmen on the roof.

Sounds fami...

[stuntman]

New Scenario

30 Armed men, RPG's, AK's, PKM's take 1000 people hostage. Everything is minded, ****ytrapped. There's explosive belts. The captors control the perimeter. They shoot at anything that moves.
Here's the drawing, ignore the text
http://www.itar-tass.com/img/img_1219697_0013.jpg
The hostages are in the left building. There's gunmen on the roof.

Sounds fami...
find out who the terrorist are and find there families, then they will change thier minds! ;) Trust me its been done before..

[Mongrel]

Their families are prob' dust in Craters back home, and or these terrorists are mercinaries, and don't give a CaRp.

Your dealing with sociapaths, not normal people.

M.

[Novara]

I presume that's the Russian school?

I have a strong suspicion this is what the Russian authorities were planning.

Terrorists set up a perimeter. You have to find another way. Either Up or Down. Thatched roof, bad news. Also, no Nighthawk helos. Very bad news.

That leaves Up. Every building has a sewage system. Big buildings have man-sized sewage tunnels. Get a recon/assault group inside. Find the main detonator-man/men/women and bomb carriers. Direct the sniper teams outside if possible with new intel. Just before main assault the biggest threats would be taken out by recon/assault already inside building. Plenty of gas (non-lethal this time) and percussion grenades combined with helos at word "go".
A team would have to be inserted with the sole purpose of getting the main body of hostages out. Consult a structural engineer to ask him which walls are main load-bearing walls. Show him the blueprints, they have them. Get tangos away from designated risk areas which contain walls which hold main structure up. How many died when the wall/roof collapsed?

This is what was most likely planned. Not a unique plan by any means, but the most effective.