The Kremlin's Dangerous Flirtation with Nationalism

[Grahamr117]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,800468,00.html


Ahead of Russia's parliamentary elections on Sunday, the pro-Kremlin parties are using nationalist rhetoric in a bid to exploit growing right-wing sentiment in the country. But it's a dangerous game. If the far right gets stronger, it could pose a threat to Vladimir Putin.

It's the Ultranationalists, they're killing the villagers!

[sepheronx]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,800468,00.html



It's the Ultranationalists, they're killing the villagers!

Is this the same spiegel.de that said that Russia was gonna lose against Georgia?

Yeah, so in other words, thanks for the laughs ;)

[sarcastic1]

same song different dance

[Universals]

die Spiegel means the mirror. My German is quite gut! "Mirror" news outlets has a reputation.

[Redox]

Is this the same spiegel.de that said that Russia was gonna lose against Georgia?

Yeah, so in other words, thanks for the laughs ;)
Ultra right-wing sentiment in russia is nothing to laugh about. Its a rather sad affair.

[sepheronx]

Ultra right-wing sentiment in russia is nothing to laugh about. Its a rather sad affair.

Sure it is.

How many people are involved in these ultra right sentiments? BTW, if you removed your biasism, you can remove Russia from that and just say that Ultra right-wing sentiment is nothing to laugh at. Unless you think that it only happens there. Then I would just have to say you need to go for a walk or read more news about other countries.

[Holycrusader]

Do Germans do not have exactly the same problem themselves? Whole Europe going right at the moment...

[[WDW]Megaraptor]

Do Germans do not have exactly the same problem themselves? Whole Europe going right at the moment...

While "right wing" in the USA and UK means "classical liberal", "right wing" in continental Europe means "fascist."

[Atlantic Friend]

The Kremlin's Dangerous Flirtation with Nationalism

Flirtation? I thought we had moved well into "wedding the banged-up girl" territory already.

[sepheronx]

Edit: wow, don't watch Dilbert while looking at MP.net :-/

[Hisroyalhighness]

Ultra right-wing sentiment in russia is nothing to laugh about. Its a rather sad affair.

Just like the Russian Opposition parties, in particular the clowns who are members: Koch, Novodvorskaya, Panyushkin, Nemtsov, Kasparov etc.

After their facepalm during the 888 war, I would take anything spiegel says with a grain of salt.

[Papenheims]

Just like the Russian Opposition parties, in particular the clowns who are members: Koch, Novodvorskaya, Panyushkin, Nemtsov, Kasparov etc.

Opposition to United Russia is rising, at least people are no longer afraid to express their opinions.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWN9ou2pEkw&list=FLatIadN7SDUhgQ9M9rGBsOQ&index=1&feature=plpp_video

[my name again]

What did Spiegel say abot the 888 war? Anybody has by chance a link or something?

[Az_esm]

Commies and LDPR are pro-kremlin? rly?

[liberal cl]

afaik Spiegel is a left wing rag...

[Hisroyalhighness]

Opposition to United Russia is rising, at least people are no longer afraid to express their opinions.Of course UR's popularity has been on a downward slope, that's what happens when citizens begin getting annoyed at the current administration for their lack of progress and false promises. "People are no longer afraid to express their opinions"? The average Russian can express their opinion just fine except in the fragile Caucasus where it must be kept under a tight leash. Even though UR and it's allies have a monopoly on the Media, Russians are free to go online on social networks in particular LiveJournal to express their opinion. Opposition parties are incredibly annoying to ordinary Russians because they confess to be better than "Putin Regime" but are instead are just as hypocritical; corruption, bribery, vote fraud etc. Basically all parties suck; but United Russia party sucks slightly less than other parties who appeal to foreign interests and who have very colorful opinion on the Russians people. You make it sound like everyone who criticizes the big dog, wakes up in a interrogation cell in lubyanka.

Gennady Gudkov is a man who is not backed up by foreign interests but he is generally concerned about Russia and a defender of her voting rights. A KGB affiliate and concerned about Russia's constitutional infringements? shame Vlad don't share the same enthusiasm:

"United Russia has forgotten that voting in Russia is meant to be secret," Gudkov, deputy head of the Duma's security committee and a member of A Just Russia, a Kremlin-sanctioned opposition party, told Izvestiya newspaper.
"According to the law, a person who drops their ballot in the box must be in the booth completely alone."

What do you guys in Mordor think of Just Russia party ?

[Russianlynxy]

What do you guys in Mordor think of Just Russia party ?

Just regular socialists/social-democrats. Some good faces, some crooks - like UR. Just Russia is well liked in older-middle age population who grew up in USSR's Golden Years.

btw, I love the term Kremlin-Sanctioned parties.... So the only good parties are the ones that want to sell Russia out or preach an agenda of disintegration or confederation (because Russia is too big for it's own good, obviously and too difficult to manage). Also Russia apparently needs democracy, liberal values, and needs to concede more, because they history is evil and wrong. Basically anyone who is a scumbag, asslicker, and money receiver from Soros and foreign NGOs?

Also many of you are forgetting, Vlad isn't technically a member of any party. He just heads the lists of UR majority party.

Also another thing, quality of Russian population, level of education, etc... has fallen dramatically over the years. The majority of masses is, in fact, no better than Lybian Arabs!, in terms of our intelligence as a group and level of civility - which is really fu*king sad... Despite what people say about Vlad or UR, this conglomerate managed to keep the country together, who knows where we could have been now. Few level-headed people nowadays, just emotional and reactionary. Often not even knowing what they are talking about, just "against the machine" as a matter of principle, because it's the new hip thing. I love people who say "I'm not even going to go vote, but I am going to take it to the streets". I say good - hope you get beaten and incarcerated for 24 hours.

[asch]

Commies and LDPR are pro-kremlin? rly?
really, is that news for you? at least about LDPR it's 100% true.

[Russianlynxy]

really, is that news for you? at least about LDPR it's 100% true.

only dry-fruit party and Limonov's National Bolshevik front is only true parties p-)

[asch]

only dry-fruit party and Limonov's National Bolshevik front is only true parties p-)
i don't really understand what you trying to say here.

[Russianlynxy]

i don't really understand what you trying to say here.

I'm saying there's no such thing as an "independent party", they all have forces behind them which back interests of certain groups, it's normal reality. Even if some parties are "allowed" with opposing views, it's only those which aren't detrimental to Russia's statehood. But really I was just being sarcastic.

[Az_esm]

really, is that news for you? at least about LDPR it's 100% true.
1.Pro-kremlin like "true follower of UR and medveputs"-definitely not.
2. Pro-kremlin like "we would do anything to stay in Duma"-definitely yes.
But I guess spiegel was talking about 1.

[Dirtydiaper]

Is this the same spiegel.de that said that Russia was gonna lose against Georgia?

Yeah, so in other words, thanks for the laughs ;)
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/636/officerbarbradymovealon.jpg

[void]

Shouldn't other parties than UR gaining support be a good sign? You know, democracy and liberalisation of the political process and all that? Isn't that what the "West" wants? So why is it that when the other parties gain support it's suddenly a bad sign according to them? So let's see, UR gains support: bad bad bad, authoritarianism and lack of political freedoms. UR loses support and other parties start emerging: bad bad bad, the people are losing confidence in the government and the country is falling apart. Fvcking hell, I hate the media so much.

[Hisroyalhighness]

Whatever Russia does, she will always get criticized.

[Emissary]

Why does Russia have to resort to Nationalism just for the sake of achieving a false prestige? Their economy is poor, their population is backwards, these troubles are not solved with mere nationalist pride. I doubt if Russia would even achieve the status of a great power for many centuries to come.

[Abanamat85]

Why does Russia have to resort to Nationalism just for the sake of achieving a false prestige? Their economy is poor, their population is backwards, these troubles are not solved with mere nationalist pride. I doubt if Russia would even achieve the status of a great power for many centuries to come.

Because Russia is waiting for China to rescue it from its situation.

Real Edit: Because nationalism is cheaper, simpler, and easier to appeal to the "grey masses".
Having said that, I'm not sure you and I agree on the scale and type of nationalism.
Also, why does China have to resort to nationalism just for the sake of achieving a false prestige?

[AlexMartin2]

There are two facts:
1) Kremlin does not resort to nationalism at all.
2) Right-wing movements are quite unpopular in Russia and don't have support.

But what Russia always will have is a laugh at people who have no idea what they're writing or talking about :)

[sepheronx]

Nice contribution diaper, anything to add or just trolin?


There are two facts:
1) Kremlin does not resort to nationalism at all.
2) Right-wing movements are quite unpopular in Russia and don't have support.

But what Russia always will have is a laugh at people who have no idea what they're writing or talking about :-)

But...but....it is dangerous ultra right wingers in Russia!

[Az_esm]

Dunno, but I'll be glad if Kremlin will start to resort to nationalism))) At least it will be not boring and stupid Mr.Mackey-style propaganda about "be tolerant M'kay, nationalism is very very bad M'kay" and etc crap.)
Like there were no guys like Ilyin, Lomonosov, Alexander III or Dostoevsky with their view on this thing.

[Andy_UA]

Russian speakers listen to this latest interview with Zhyrinovsky.

http://echo.msk.ru/programs/sorokina/

[void]

Russian speakers listen to this latest interview with Zhyrinovsky.

http://echo.msk.ru/programs/sorokina/

Wow, your first mistake was listening to Zhirinovski. Your second mistake was taking anything he says seriously. He is a political clown. He doesnt believe the crap he says himself. It is just an act he has developed for himself which allows him to keep a little bit of limelight and profit from it.

[IconOfEvi]

Why does Russia have to resort to Nationalism just for the sake of achieving a false prestige? Their economy is poor, their population is backwards, these troubles are not solved with mere nationalist pride. I doubt if Russia would even achieve the status of a great power for many centuries to come.

Dude, you're trying too hard

4/10 post