Iran Moving even closer to making "The Bomb"

[obd]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usatoday/20040902/ts_usatoday/nuclearagencysaysiranmakingprecursortobombfuel&e=3

Well, I think its pretty damn obvious to anyone in this planet that doesnt have thier heads up thier asses that Iran is moving at break neck speed to produce nulcear warheads. If Iran were to achieve this it would alter the "unbalance" of power that has protected Israel from more invasion and genocide attempts by thier Arab neighbors that were halted only after Israel valiantly defended herself and defeated the Muslum hords more than ounce when they attempted genocide against the Jews........and of course they have stoped ever since it because clear Israel had nuclear wepaons.

Now, when you take Irans defense ministers comments about "burning Israel in hellire very soon if it dares to threaten us" and "very soon Iran will have its revenge upon the Jews" than I think its pretty damn impotant that Bush do everything in his power to prevent the Iranians from getting nuclear warheads..............

I dont understand why Bush remained silent on the citical and very dangerous issues of North Korea and Iran. Why all the pressure on Saddam but not on the nations and leaders who actually openly threaten us???? Why is NOTHING being done about North Korea. Why is NOTHING being done about Iran. If Bush doesnt handle Iran and put whatever pressure necesarry on Iran to let them know we are at the end of our tolerance with them..........I mean what are the alternatives.........a nuclear armed Iran is almost as bad as a nuclear armed Pakistan

Mark my words, a nuclear bomb blowing up an American city is gonna come from 3 possible sources:

1. Russian mafia or corrupt military leaders selling nuke or nuclear material to terrorists

2. Pakistani scientists selling nuclear secrects and materials to terrorists (this has ALREADY happened for christs sake and all they get is a pat on thier asses for it!!!! JEEZUZ)

3. Irans new nuclear program.

When are we gonna realize that nuclear warheads in the hands of Arab and Muslums nations will be the end.....and I mean THE END or our security. Anybody remmember the nuclear bomb drills during the Cold War.......Well Mutually Assured Destruction aint gonna work here like it did with the Soviets.....becuase that rests upon logical and reasonable enemies and it rests upon the assumption that a state doesnt attack if it knows its own destruction is assured by that attack........this wont work with Arab/Muslum leaders because they just give it to terrorists and claim it wasnt them.........Ugh.

[Kilgor]

After the events of this week, its painful to think about this :(

MAD doesnt work against people who's goal in life is to blow themselves up for allah.

[scm77]

Iran is getting ever closer to being Sharowned! :bash:

[HoboWithAK]

If anything, ANYTHING happens to Israel that involves a nuke from Iran will be the end of Iran. It will become a giant smoldering crater of slag. And the Arabs (as a whole) would never hear the end of it, either.

[DPGLAW]

Lately, with all the problems that the middle east (Arab/Muslim) Countries are causing; by that I mean selling/developing/hiding/threatening the west with among many other horrible things manke me wish the see the WHOLE ENTIRE middle east and it's people turned into a huge crater, a large piece of glass, or a parking lot. Any of thosae would be sufficient to me and im sure many, many others. If they would stop trying to, and/or planning to kill us all the time perhaps I would change my mind but as for now, I even look at the kids as future terrorists for god's sake. Thats not good, but everyone else I know actually agrees so i don't know but hopefully we get what we want. It would probably loer the oil prices........LOL

[moughoun]

If anything, ANYTHING happens to Israel that involves a nuke from Iran will be the end of Iran. It will become a giant smoldering crater of slag. And the Arabs (as a whole) would never hear the end of it, either.

Iranians aren't Arab's ;)

[Virus]

If anything, ANYTHING happens to Israel that involves a nuke from Iran will be the end of Iran. It will become a giant smoldering crater of slag. And the Arabs (as a whole) would never hear the end of it, either.

Iranians aren't Arab's ;)

I hope your joking? if not...how do you figure that now?

[HoboWithAK]

You're right, I used a stereotpyical name. Everyone who would sympathise with the Iranians would cease to exist as a threat.

[obd]

Wow DPGLAW, what you are saying makes you worse of a terrorist than they are. What you are talking about is killing hundreds of millions of people who live under dictatorships like the Saudi's and theocratic states like the Iranian government that we are at least partially at fault for creating and supporting.

You cant blame an entire people for the actions of a government they have no control over, especially when it is the United States that continuously supports Saudi dictatorships that at the same time are threatening us.........

I mean, there are all kinds of people living in the Middle East. Jews, Christians, Hindu's, Buddhists, and Muslums occupy the land that is the Middle East. IF you simply examine European colonial history a little bit than you will come to realize that the Middle East was partitioned into oppresive regimes mostly by Britain and France. How can you blame a people for hating "the West" when it is largely the West that is to blame for thier current situation?? Notice please I didnt say it IS the Wests fault. I just said the West has a part to play in it.

Another reason for the Middle Easts failure in my own humble opinion is the backwardness of the peoples culture. Notice for example that peoples tend to mold religion to suit thier own values. An American Christian is VERY different from a Nigerian Christian for example. They pick and choose and emphasive different variations of the faith to suit thier own society and culture. Same with Islam. In fact, I blame Arab culture in general more than I blame Islam for thier problems. If it were Islams fault than you wouldnt find plently of succesful and peaceful Muslum Americans rasing family's.

A perfect example is a man in my city from Islamabad Pakistan who is IBM certified and repaired my laptop after a person spilled a drink on it. He is a Muslum and he loves America. He told me he and his family see America and a peaceful paradise and they love it. He is an avid hunter and he is a member of several local hunting clubs. His only bad experienc he said in America was having to waite a very long time for a permit for his shotgun to go hunting because he was middle eastern. His wife is going to college and studying buisness....She is not a prisoner in her own home........And he is a true patriot and loves his new nation. I repeat, he is also a devout Muslum.

Let me ask you DPGLAW, if France was proping up a Communist Socialist regime or some dictatorsip that had most of your family killed or arrested and had tortured you and your loved ones, wouldnt you hate France and want to bomb France???

I mean, the real problem is that Bush wants us to conveniently believe that Osama Bin Laden hates us for what we are and not what we do. Osama has laid down very specific grievenaces with the United States, all of them politically motivated:

1. The US needs to get its soldiers out of the holy land of Saudi Arabia

2. The US needs to stop supporting tyrannical and oppresive regimes like the Saudi's just for cheap oil

3. The US needs to stop stealing the peoples oil by supporting dictatorships that sell it under pressure for below free market prices...etc etc etc

4. The US needs to stop supporting nations that oppress Muslums

5. The US must stop its one sided support of the Isreali's and thier oppression of the Palestinian people and the stealing of thier land.


Ok, now Im not saying I believe this or anything. Im just repeating from Osama Bin Ladens own words spoken after 9/11 and before 9/11. Just letting you know his grievances. Notice he never said "I hate you because you are a free and open society that tolerates all religions". No, his hate comes from our foreign policy in the Middle East.

DPGLAW, I think the best thing we can do for the Middle East is this: Pull our troops out of Iraq, stop supporting corrupt dictators like the Saudi's who are a hundred times worse than the Chinese for human rights abuse (which is kinda ironic because we STILL give the Chinese **** about Tienaman Square yet our leaders practically sleep with the Saudi's), and we need to develop real energy independence so we can stop having a skewed relationship with oppresive regimes than control oil..............

As Abraham Lincoln ounce said, "It is wise to avoid foreign wars and instead for this nation, if it is to survive, to focus on perfecting its own imperfect democracy and freedom so that we may serve as a beacon to others and for others to aspire to".

That is how we need to spread democracy: By perfecting our own flawed system of freedom so that others may look to it for inspirations and fight thier own battles for freedom. We must be the moral support, not the physical support. For we have our own needs and problems that must not have focus drawn away from them...........

Trust me guys, the only thing Osama Bin Laden needed more than anything else to more than replenish what he lost in A-stan and around the world to our brave warriors was for Bush to invade Iraq.

Now, Osama will have restocked his loses in men and money 100 times more than before. Its as if we have taken 10 steps forward and 20 steps back..........

The only way to defeat Osama Bin LAden is to change our policy in the Middle East. We must start living up to our own words and really support freedom everywhere instead of only where and when it suits us. And most importantly WE MUST NOT SUPPORT DICTATORS FOR OIL WHILE USING RHETORIC THAT TALKS OF US BEING AGAINST DICTATORS BECUASE THAT IS A BALD FACE LIE. EITHER WE ARE AGAINST THEM OR WE ARE AGAINST ONLY THE ONES THAT DONT SELL US CHEAP OIL AND BUY WEAPONS FROM OUR MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. WE CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS PEOPLE!!!!!

Now, that being said, there will still be those left who will hate us for whay we are and not for waht we do, even after we revise our foreign policy and actually start practicing what we preach around the world. To those who would fight us for what we are, I say we have no mercy on them. I say that the miltary option against those people is the only option and we should waste no effort in destroying them and we will succeed because those types of people cannot sustain themselves under prolonged attack. But people with real grievances that resonate deeply around a large group of people can never be defeated. As long as our policy in the Middle Easy supports dicators and steals oil, I fear the ranks of Al Queda will always be replenish faster than we can kill them off......and we will evnetually die the death of a thousand cuts...........

Thant is what I fear most. But I think we can win if we

1. Revise our foreign policy so that it drains the huge base of support now felt around the world for Osama Bin Laden due mostly to US foreign policy

2. Engage with utter ruthlessness those that remain to support terrorists who hate us for what we are.

[Seiyuuki]

I mean, the real problem is that Bush wants us to conveniently believe that Osama Bin Laden hates us for what we are and not what we do. Osama has laid down very specific grievenaces with the United States, all of them politically motivated:

1. The US needs to get its soldiers out of the holy land of Saudi Arabia Done or almost done, we began the process years ago.

2. The US needs to stop supporting tyrannical and oppresive regimes like the Saudi's just for cheap oil It's called OPEC and the Saudi ain't the only members. The unfortunate truth is that Europe, U.S. and basically anyone that import oils can't do **** about OPEC. Some people around here think Haliburton is bad, bad is a big understatement when talking about OPEC.

3. The US needs to stop stealing the peoples oil by supporting dictatorships that sell it under pressure for below free market prices...etc etc etc Again, the major bulk oil exports in this world is OPEC and price fixing is not illegal for them, they can raise or lower anytime they see fit.

4. The US needs to stop supporting nations that oppress Muslums Like who? France banning headscarfs...

5. The US must stop its one sided support of the Isreali's and thier oppression of the Palestinian people and the stealing of thier land. So when the world is not complaining that the U.S. is not doing enough to end the violence between Israel and Palestine, they get blame for being one-sided. Anybody can see that being one-sided toward the Palestinians isn't going to help the situation either. Knowing that, you try to be objective to both sides of the dilemma, only having end up being blame for not doing enough.

Ok, now Im not saying I believe this or anything. Im just repeating from Osama Bin Ladens own words spoken after 9/11 and before 9/11. Just letting you know his grievances. Notice he never said "I hate you because you are a free and open society that tolerates all religions". No, his hate comes from our foreign policy in the Middle East.

Lets not forget the other euphemism, "Great Satan" and it is really politically motivating to call upon all "Muslims around the world to wage a holy war against the Great Satan." Political my butt, what he does is nothing more than exercising his own brand of Islamic's extremism. If you're going to be political, you don't go around telling Muslims to "destroy the non-believers."

If you're going to objectively analyze the situation , you can't include Bush without mentioning Clinton, you have to ask...after the bombing of U.S. embassies, why did Clinton not simply comply with the "five points of bin Laden" as you lay out. Instead, Clinton kindly acknowledged the terrorists by sending a few cruise missiles toward their training camps.

No matter how nice the euphemism is, bin Laden was, is and will always be a terrorist and you don't defeat terrorism by giving in to their demands because it's common sense, if the tactic work once for them, it will work again the second time, the third time, the fourth time and so on.

Look on the bright side, at least the U.S. is doing one thing on that list of your, but then again, they're still out to destroy the "Great Satan."


DPGLAW, I think the best thing we can do for the Middle East is this: Pull our troops out of Iraq, stop supporting corrupt dictators like the Saudi's who are a hundred times worse than the Chinese for human rights abuse (which is kinda ironic because we STILL give the Chinese **** about Tienaman Square yet our leaders practically sleep with the Saudi's), and we need to develop real energy independence so we can stop having a skewed relationship with oppresive regimes than control oil..............

That's a real good plan, after the U.S. disposed of a despot, which you are so adamantly against, promising the Iraqis we will help to rebuild their nation and maintain stability, we'll just uproot and leave them hanging. You think the anti-war crowds are clamoring about the so-called 10,000 civilian casulties now, imagine how loud they scream when a whole lot more than 10,000 Iraqis will die as soon as the U.S. leave them to dry (or maybe they won't, they don't care about the Iraqis, they're "politically motivated"). So while you be celebrating, thousands of Iraqis will suffer. Continuing America's fine legacy of leaving the job unfinish and not only will you end up being responsible for the suffering of thousands of Iraqis, but you'll also end up with a whole lot more Iraqis piss at America...doesn't take a genius to see where that road lead to.

It's one thing to be against the war, but personally, I have no respect for people with the idea of "lets just leave Irag." Why personal, perhaps because I'm Vietnamese. The U.S. did a fine job there, first, the troops leave to satisfy people like you, but no, that wasn't good enough, all traces of supports had to be gone. Who suffer? The problem is, people like you have no ****ing idea what the answer is. Allow me to examplify, my father was captured two weeks after he got marry and send to what those communist bastards so kindly refer as "re-education camp," he spent the next 6 years of his life in that hell hole, seeing more than a fair share of friends head off to meet their maker. My mom, our family, was stripped of everything, she went from being a secretary and supposedly that was qualify as being rich in they eyes of those communist idiots to pushing a food stand around and when she wasn't pushing that thing around, she had to beg, in order to support her family. There are consequences for the plan your support, but you won't be the one suffering from it, it will be the Iraqis and they will suffer dearly.

The U.S. for its flaw, they amend for their mistake, after all, I'm now a U.S. citizen. Though trust me, growing up in Vietnam, seeing my family suffer the way they did, I hated the Americans, probably as much as those terrorists. If the U.S. follow through with your plan, god forbid, you better be prepare to take along hundreds thousands of Iraqis' refugees or be prepare to live with the knowledge that the faith of those Iraqis will be in the hands of man like Sadr and from the last few news report, we all know what he does to those that does not support him, be prepare to have their bloods on your hands.

Where do you get your human rights report, from the UN human rights commitee headed by Syria.


Trust me guys, the only thing Osama Bin Laden needed more than anything else to more than replenish what he lost in A-stan and around the world to our brave warriors was for Bush to invade Iraq. Now, Osama will have restocked his loses in men and money 100 times more than before. Its as if we have taken 10 steps forward and 20 steps back..........

Lets leave Irag, then Osama and his Al Qeada will really have no problem with recruitment for the next hundred years. You're half right on one thing, for all the 10 steps forward we made in Iraq, your plan would have us take 40 steps back.


The only way to defeat Osama Bin LAden is to change our policy in the Middle East. We must start living up to our own words and really support freedom everywhere instead of only where and when it suits us. And most importantly WE MUST NOT SUPPORT DICTATORS FOR OIL WHILE USING RHETORIC THAT TALKS OF US BEING AGAINST DICTATORS BECUASE THAT IS A BALD FACE LIE. EITHER WE ARE AGAINST THEM OR WE ARE AGAINST ONLY THE ONES THAT DONT SELL US CHEAP OIL AND BUY WEAPONS FROM OUR MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. WE CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS PEOPLE!!!!!

I hear your rhetorics, but no better solution.