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I have noticed that on every picture I see of a Delta Operator in his dress uniform he has a red patch that is in the shape of an arrowhead with a black sword down the middle... does this patch signify that you are a mack daddy (delta) or does it mean something else? I noticed on the SOCOM website they have a picture of that logo along with the other SOCOM units logos but I thought that Delta was under JSOC? Please help me clear this up guys...
Apogee
02-24-2003, 12:15 AM
JSOC is one of the 4 commands under SOCOM, the others are USASOC, AFSOC, and NAVSPECWARCOM (leave it to the Navy to come up with a really freaking long name). THose other commands are reprsented by the patches behind the USSOCOM patch.
Thanks for the info, so what does the red patch mean?
Argyll
02-24-2003, 02:28 AM
As far as I'm aware,yes the red badge on the dress denotes a Delta Operator,and I think the origins of the emblem gp back to WW2,to the 1st Special Forces Brigade,which was a joint USA/Canada force,I remember seeing a version of it in an osprey book!Perhaps some US historian can clarify a bit better?
k_o_g
02-24-2003, 03:10 AM
NAVSPECWARCOM----NAVal SPEcial WARfare COMmand
JiJoMacLE45
02-24-2003, 07:25 AM
:)
rangerone
02-24-2003, 08:21 AM
Its not ARSOC. It is ASOC.
virtualpender
02-24-2003, 10:21 AM
Nope, it is ARSOC.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/images/arsoc-3.gifArmy Special Operation Command was established December 1, 1989. ARSOC is the Army component of U.S. Special Operations Command, a unified command. ARSOC trains, equips, deploys and sustains Army special-operations forces for worldwide special operations supporting regional combatant commanders and country ambassadors.
^^^ From globalsecurity.org ^^^
JiJoMacLE45, you mean that those two guys were members of Delta and the one got killed in Afghanistan and the other killed his wife then himself???
yeah there were a few articles on cnn and some of the other news sites talking about how there was going to be an investigation into the rash of murders by army sf guys or their spouses when they returned from afghanistan. there were 4 or 5 with a month's time...
Thats amazing that a Delta guy killed his wife and then himself... I understand we are all human but it just seems to me that when someone gets to that level of a unit he becomes an individual pretty much overcome of fear and weakness as well as being able to deal with stress like that.
Also I looked up SFC Christopher Speer and it says he was a Special Forces Medic... doesnt this mean he was a Green Beret?
yeah but having a wife means dropping all of your guards and letting that person in. If you do a tour in afghanistan and are part of the first raids into the country which several sources say went very badly, only to come home to a wife that suddenly says she doesn't love you anymore and wants a divorce... it's pretty rough. in one of the cases, the wife stabbed the sf guy while he was sleeping.
JiJoMacLE45
02-24-2003, 04:11 PM
;)
JiJoMacLE45
02-24-2003, 04:31 PM
I can definantly shed some light on marriages being ruined by work. In law enforcement we have like a 70% divorce rate. Most of the guys I work with have either been divorced, are getting divorced, or are on their way to a divorce. With any job where you are in a high stress environment, i.e. military, law enforcement, firemen, etc, where you are constantly under pressure, and not just pressure to hit a deadline, but pressure where screwups can leave people dead, your going to run into some tough situations in your personal life. It's hard to go home to your wife and have her relate to the day you had out on the street seeing some of the crap that goes on or in the case of these soldiers some of things they have seen in war. You go home and try to readjust yourself to living a normal life, but what is normal if you've spent the past ten years on the go, picking up and going whenever your beeper goes off. I work with some guys who would rather stay at work then go home at night. Some go down the wrong road and hit the bottle. It's very hard to adjust and for those guys who can do it, sometimes the wives have a problem with it. You try and shield them from some of the horrible things that you see everyday, but they want to pick your brain and find out what you've been doing and when they do find out, they freak. An instructor I had in the Academy, grizzled old thirty year cop, he'd BTDT at least twice type guy. Well he had been involved in three shootings during his first ten years on the job and his wife never knew about them. When she found out she was pissed. I'm lucky, I'm the son of a police officer and my parent's marriage lasted through twenty-three years of my dad going out to work and not knowing if he was coming home or not. I learned from him how to compartmentalize the things you do at work and not bring it home. You have to develop that 'leave it at the office type attitude'. Alot of people can not deal w/ that stress and sometimes it boils over. You have these SOF guys trained right up to the edge of the envelope to the point where they are closest thing to supermen walking the face of this earth when they are out in the field, but when they get back home, they have bills to pay and mouths to feed and families to raise. As anyone who grew up in a military or law enforcement family can tell you, sometimes you feel like your are living in a single parent home. That can get to be to much. Unfortunetly sometimes this stress turns deadly.
ilxAudrey
02-24-2003, 06:12 PM
Wasn't there an SAS man that killed his family and then himself a few years ago?
EliteWolf
02-24-2003, 06:43 PM
i assume its harder being the wife of a special forces operator or somebody whos on assignment alot, that it is actually being the husband whos gone alot...
i can understand being angry that your wifes wants a devorce because you working alot, but killing her in a fit of rage, thats crossing the line.
Ichhabe
02-24-2003, 07:38 PM
Bull's Eye Elite Wolf.
Yea guys, thanks for clearin that up for me JiJo. Like Ive said before my dad is a cop and alot of the guys who work with him are ex military, and one in particular was with Force Recon during Desert Storm and he said "you are either married to the Corps or married to a woman"... later stating that not many military marriages make it long term. Personally I am glad that I am very young and I refuse to allow myself to be dragged into marriage before I get out of the military. I feel like marriage is a great thing but I want to travel and have adventure before I ever settle down and have little semperfi's running around.
JiJoMacLE45
02-24-2003, 07:52 PM
I'm not sure about the SAS one, but I know a couple years back a former SAS trooper and I believe a Falklands vet, committed suicide by taking a free-fall from his single engine plane w/o a chute. He was flying w/ a female in the second seat, just opened his door and went out. The woman was able to land the plane. I'm not sure but I think he may have been one of the survivors of the helo crash that killed around twenty SAS operators during the war. I found an article about it on the web a while back, I'll check it out to be sure.
And as far as the wives being tough, you better believe they are. Some of the toughest women I know are the wives of police officers and military men.
JiJoMacLE45
02-24-2003, 08:01 PM
Yeah the SAS man's name was Charles Bruce. He was a vet of the Para Reg and served with the Regiment in the Falklands and NI. He took his fatal plunge on 01-08-02, burned in from 5,000ft. He was suffering from post traumatic stress syndrom brought about by his service with the SAS and was taking lithium. He wrote his autobiography called Freefall under the name Tom Read three years before his death and talked about dying in a Cessna in the book.
rangerone
02-24-2003, 10:13 PM
Go to this website. I told you it was ASOC. Well, actually USASOC for United States Army Special Operations Command.
http://www.soc.mil/
:)
well, it's kind of half and half... look at the following from soc.mil:
Army Special Operations Forces or ARSOF consist of Special Forces, Ranger, Special Operations Aviation, Psychological Operations, Civil Affairs, as well as Signal and Combat Service Support units.
Maybe the guys above, including globalsecurity.org are confusing the F at the end of ARSOF and just that it was supposed to be ARSOC.. since all the other acronyms end in C.
JiJoMacLE45
02-24-2003, 10:30 PM
Yeah it looks like it's half an half. If you've ever seen the memorial plaque at Ft Bragg, the names of the KIA Delta operators are followed by ARSOC or ARSFC.
Apogee
02-26-2003, 09:09 AM
I've got the command structure for USSOCOM sitting on my desk in front of my and its def. USASOC. United States Army Special Operations Command. What the hell would the R stand for?
well obviously it's taking the AR out of army, whereas your thing is using one letter for each word, U S Army... This is one of those things that clerks who run the website can call their own. :)
mimis
02-26-2003, 02:55 PM
http://www.groups.sfahq.com/3rd/speer_kia.htm
so the soldiers who carry the body of speer are delta?
well, the point of all of this, is that they're just listed as arsoc or usasoc or whatever. they don't have their own special designation here that's public so there's ultimately no way to tell from any of this other than guessing.
JiJoMacLE45
02-27-2003, 03:37 PM
For USMA_SCUBA, here are some Army commands and their abbreviations:
US Army Central Command USARCENT
US Army Pacific Command USARPAC
US Army European Command USAREUR
just a few Army commands w/ the A and the R
I think I've seen a photo of helicopter aircrew also wearing the red arrowhead patch. Would that be the patch worn by SOAR (Nightstalkers)? :bash:
Apogee
02-28-2003, 09:25 AM
Yes. TF-160 is part of USASOC. Theres an explanation of the shoulder insignia from the Night Stalker website.
"The stylized spearhead alludes to the shoulder sleeve insignia worn by the 1st Special Service Force and signifies the heritage and traditions that the U.S. Army Special Operations Command will perpetuate. The unsheathed black dagger symbolizes total military preparedness and has long been associated with Army Special Operations Forces. The insignia is worn and displayed with the addition of a black and red airborne tab above, indicating the airborne status of the command."
100%Marine
03-12-2003, 06:49 PM
In the chain of command Delta is a subordinate of JSOC, however, JSOC circumvents SOCCOM and answers to JCS. This is for flexibility. Out in the field Delta ultimately answers to the State Dept.
Sand Man
09-29-2006, 12:48 PM
3 Years old... but
On the premise of posting in the appropriate thread and the ominuos "red badge", I was wondering if anyone knows if the pics posted in this site is either real deal, airsoft, or a bunch or re-enactors?
www.delta-trutnov.com/galerie.html
Thanks!
ed316
09-29-2006, 01:00 PM
3 Years old... but
On the premise of posting in the appropriate thread and the ominuos "red badge", I was wondering if anyone knows if the pics posted in this site is either real deal, airsoft, or a bunch or re-enactors?
www.delta-trutnov.com/galerie.html (http://www.delta-trutnov.com/galerie.html)
Thanks!
Read what it's says under "Command". :roll:
unpredictable
09-29-2006, 02:33 PM
Guys guys Delta Force donīt exist!!!rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl :) :) :) :) :) :cantbeli:
Chops
09-29-2006, 08:25 PM
Airsofters putting black bars over their faces... now I've seen everything!
Macs.
09-29-2006, 08:47 PM
They even have Dress Uniforms... What a desperate bunch of people.
LaoSexMachine
09-29-2006, 08:51 PM
Fvck, the toys cause as much as the real thing. No thanks real ones for me.
Airsofters putting black bars over their faces... now I've seen everything!
....along with GORDEN and SHUGART nameplates.
...and the kids wonder why airsofter cops a flogging.
****tard nupties.
Chops
09-30-2006, 04:06 AM
I didn't catch that mate. Jesus in my book that's just sick.
I didn't catch that mate. Jesus in my book that's just sick.
Very.......
Sand Man
09-30-2006, 04:31 AM
Airsofters who are tyring to rappel face down and ride tanks. Why go through all the trouble?
By the way, what do you call that style of rapelling?
Ngati Tumatauenga
09-30-2006, 04:39 AM
....along with GORDEN and SHUGART nameplates.
...and the kids wonder why airsofter cops a flogging.
****tard nupties.
****bags need an attitude re-adjustment.
Sgt_Nick_Fury
09-30-2006, 01:03 PM
As far as I'm aware,yes the red badge on the dress denotes a Delta Operator,and I think the origins of the emblem gp back to WW2,to the 1st Special Forces Brigade,which was a joint USA/Canada force,I remember seeing a version of it in an osprey book!Perhaps some US historian can clarify a bit better?
Ding! Ding! Ding!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/75/1st_Special_Service_Force.patch.jpg
Macs.
09-30-2006, 01:11 PM
Its the names of two "Delta Force"-Operators killed in Somalia.
Either these Reenactors/Airsofters/Whatever have no respect or they are horrible retards. I would guess its a mix of both.
D-gin
09-30-2006, 01:13 PM
Sorry for the stupid question but whats wrong with using them names?
They were the Delta snipers in Somalia that died, That whats wrong with it.
Someone needs to give those dumb sh!ts a lesson in respect......:bash:
ShotOver
09-30-2006, 01:14 PM
Edit. Delete
Sgt_Nick_Fury
09-30-2006, 01:19 PM
They were the Delta snipers in Somalia that died, That whats wrong with it.
Someone needs to give those dumb sh!ts a lesson in respect......:bash:
Ya have to remember these guys are kids mentally, in their way this is how they idolize them........I'm sure they view it as being respectful of their heros......if they were 12 yr olds....it might even be cute.....
The problem is if they are willing to go this far for airsoft, why not join up and contribute?
D-gin
09-30-2006, 01:29 PM
Ya have to remember these guys are kids mentally, in their way this is how they idolize them........I'm sure they view it as being respectful of their heros......if they were 12 yr olds....it might even be cute.....
The problem is if they are willing to go this far for airsoft, why not join up and contribute?
The problem is that it is not respectful, They've gone as far as wearing class A's, I know a few fellas that would give them a beating from hell to educate them on why you don't do that.
I have no problem with airsoft it's a fun game but you don't go buy a dress uniform and act like you at the O club, This is just so overboard I really don't know what else to say....That my .2cents
ShotOver
09-30-2006, 01:33 PM
The problem is that it is not respectful, They've gone as far as wearing class A's, I know a few fellas that would give them a beating from hell to educate them on why you don't do that.
I have no problem with airsoft it's a fun game but you don't go buy a dress uniform and act like you at the O club, This is just so overboard I really don't know what else to say.
Yeah mate, it's ****ed up. There is a difference between chucking on a pair of cams and some gear you bought on the net and playing shoot em up. But to go and replicate class A rigs of dead heroes, that's going to far.
D-gin
09-30-2006, 01:36 PM
Yeah mate, it's ****ed up. There is a difference between chucking on a pair of cams and some gear you bought on the net and playing shoot em up. But to go and replicate class A rigs of dead heroes, that's going to far.
Damn straight....It makes me sick when I think about it.
Sgt_Nick_Fury
09-30-2006, 01:40 PM
The problem is that it is not respectful, They've gone as far as wearing class A's, I know a few fellas that would give them a beating from hell to educate them on why you don't do that.
I have no problem with airsoft it's a fun game but you don't go buy a dress uniform and act like you at the O club, This is just so overboard I really don't know what else to say....That my .2cents
I think it's a case of TOO SOON. I know alot of guys who wear say WW2 uniforms and full patches etc for CMP competitions when it's a old battle rifle match.......it's not considered disrespectful....(then again it's not a dress uniform either)
The problem here is these are adults, and the people their copying mates are still alive and serving. Reenactment groups do this all the time....Civil War, WW2 etc......
Though I personally DO have a problem with airsoft.....why the hell would you pay that much to shoot plastic pellets? I can get a real damn rifle for that.......if I wanna play a game paintball is more gratifying and quitefrankly cheaper.
In any case I agree it's disrespectful...just trying to explain their thinking. I think it would be funny to send some of those guys squad mates with a recruiter, and give them the option.....Sign up, or be pummeled.
SoliDeoGloria
09-30-2006, 05:32 PM
In the chain of command Delta is a subordinate of JSOC, however, JSOC circumvents SOCCOM and answers to JCS. This is for flexibility. Out in the field Delta ultimately answers to the State Dept.
Thats not true, 1SFOD-D is under the DoD, not Department of State.
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