Happy News from Korea to gun collectors in the U.S.

[Kadrun]

You probably remember from years ago that Korea is trying to sell its M1 Garand and Carbine but was denied by U.S. administrate that it may fell into the hands of gangsters or terrorists. It sounds ridiculous but it happened anyway.
However, there is a good news to all of you. Korea and U.S. agreed on sale of around 86,000 M1 Garands, which were either used from WWII to Vietnam, or never seen a combat at all.
One bad thing is, more than 600,000 carbines WILL NOT be on sale. Korea has a lot of automatic version of carbines and the number is quite numerous.
Korea is currently looking for the dealer, and M1 Garands are expected on sale in U.S. at 62nd year (this year, june 25) after the Korean War. So don't miss it. If you are a Korean War veteran or veteran's family, you will have prioriry on purchasing the gun.

[marko16]

Not quite sure where this is at, but last I heard Obama banned these from being purchased by civilians. Politics is set by how many votes you may loose, so who knows on this one.

[Kadrun]

Not quite sure where this is at, but last I heard Obama banned these from being purchased by civilians. Politics is set by how many votes you may loose, so who knows on this one.

Obama said it is good to bring in Garand but not carbines.

[Abolith]

Ammo for the Carbines is retarded expensive right now.

[dunemetal]

Maybe 0 would at least let some of the carbine parts in, my M2 has always been a tough one on the extractors.

[Kadrun]

Maybe 0 would at least let some of the carbine parts in, my M2 has always been a tough one on the extractors.

Here are several reasons according to U.S. why carbines will not be imported:
1) It is fvcking too many (600k~750k)
2) OMG it is automatic or too easy automatic convertable
3) Magazines are included

Gun control FTW

[Halidon]

Ammo for the Carbines is retarded expensive right now.
I second this comment. Actually, most ammo prices are insane right now.

[dunemetal]

Here are several reasons according to U.S. why carbines will not be imported:
1) It is fvcking too many (600k~750k)
2) OMG it is automatic or too easy automatic convertable
3) Magazines are included

Gun control FTW

Well aware, the gov ATF has hated this platform for years due to it's unique set up. But parts...?

[Kadrun]

I second this comment. Actually, most ammo prices are insane right now.

Since Korea exports ammunition to the U.S. Armed Forces, why not they try selling them to civilian market. Korea produces a lot of carbine ammos.

[LineDoggie]

With regards to the Carbines

ATF has held to Once a Machinegun, always a Machinegun with regards to M2 Carbines. If its marked M2 and hasnt one full auto part its still a Machinegun to ATF. Same issue was had with the rare NM M-14's which had the selector milled off making the rifles permanently semi-automatic, ATF position was they were still restricted full autos so the Army and CMP stopped making them.

Eventually you will seee the Carbines allowed in, likely without Mags and Bayonet lugs cut off the barrel bands.

[junglejim]

We get to own weapons here short of crew served machine guns... dont see much criminal acts with those types of weapons over here.

[Dufus old hag]

Wow we actually left that many weapons back in Korea?

[Jacknola]

I've always wanted an M-1 Garand. But ... How will we know who the dealer is? How do we claim vets preference? Pricing, catalogues? Advertising? Condition assessment? Delivery? Payment? Return policy?


If the person who started this line is involved or monitoring this, please keep us updated. Regards...

[Kadrun]

I've always wanted an M-1 Garand. But ... How will we know who the dealer is? How do we claim vets preference? Pricing, catalogues? Advertising? Condition assessment? Delivery? Payment? Return policy?


If the person who started this line is involved or monitoring this, please keep us updated. Regards...

Few facts from information that I have:
1) Korea did sell M1 Garand and Carbine to U.S. since years ago. It was halted for some reason, and is about to begin the sale again.
2) Original plan was to export 87,310 Garands and 770,160 Carbines, but the plan was canceled due to decision from U.S.
3) After the negociation, only Garands will be exported. The estimated number is around 86,000 to 87,310 as mentioned in #2.
4) Korea is in contact with dealers. Most dealers announced that they will make preference sale of these Garands to Korean War vets or their descendants.
5) Korea will purchase more K2 rifles with the money gained by export.

Condition: Some Garands saw combat in either World War II, Korean War, or Vietnam War. Some Garands are brand new (packed in vacuum condition). Korea has history of exporting these Garands after major inspection and repair (yes, Korea still has repair line alive).

[dunemetal]

Wonder how many of the carbines are stamped M1 vs M2? lots of retrofits after WW2

[LineDoggie]

Well in US practice M2 Carbines were originally Purpose built and marked. M1 Carbines going through Ordnance depots could and were stripped down and the needed F/A Parts added along with a New Stock with the selector cutout but were NOT Stamped M2. The Selector being ID itself since it was quite noticeable compared to Semi Auto carbines. At the same time things like flat bolt, push safety, and flip sights were replaced and bayonet mount barrel bands fitted.

[wiking]

well, all you guys need to do is get the Hughes amendment revoked, and the 1968 GCA amended, and you can import those M1\M2's FA, register and sell them.

Would many dealers really want to risk it, if the carbines were allowed in; would be one hell of a job, sorting them all out and id'ing any FA converted carbines, with the risk of ATF coming after them if they miss a single one.

[dunemetal]

Reverting FA carbine to M1 status isn't that hard or time consuming. As LD stated above, the ones stamped M2 would be OB no matter if all the internals were semi auto. Provided the parts were USGI, I'd welcome just that too many questionable parts out on the market.

[commanding]

you Korean War Garand fans may want to read the book Give me Tomorrow by Patrick O'Donnell.......about the Korean war, lots of mention of the Garand in the book.

[Kadrun]

some more information

Korea has record of selling tens of thousands of M1 Garands back in 1986 to 1994. This is not the first time Korea is exporting it. This 87,000 batch is the last stock of Garands that Korea has. It is likely going to be a last bundle on civilian market.
Korea spends few hundred grands every year just to maintain these rifles, so it will be pretty much in good shape. In addition, I keep hearing from Koreans that these rifles can fire bullets.
The winner will be announced in either end of this month or early of next month, and Korea is going to put price tag between 200~300 dollars per rifle when they sell them to arm dealer. I do not know how much the dealer will sell it to civilians.

For the carbine, Korea converted many semi-automatic M1 carbine to automatic version for use during Vietnam War.

[Iceman6MM]

some more information
5) Korea is going to put price tag between 200~300 dollars per rifle when they sell them to arm dealer. I do not know how much the dealer will sell it to civilians.

Holy crap. You can't get a Garand in great shape for less than $800. At least I haven't seen them in a while around my area.....

I would assume that with markup's and taxes, that would put these at between 500 - 600.

[Kadrun]

Holy crap. You can't get a Garand in great shape for less than $800. At least I haven't seen them in a while around my area.....

I would assume that with markup's and taxes, that would put these at between 500 - 600.

Actual price will be different when companies go for competition, but the Korean government is expecting between that amount. However, be aware that the company can double, triple, or even ten times the price when they sell it on the market.

[LineDoggie]

Holy crap. You can't get a Garand in great shape for less than $800. At least I haven't seen them in a while around my area.....

I would assume that with markup's and taxes, that would put these at between 500 - 600.www.odcmp.com (http://www.odcmp.com)

[Mark Sman]

www.odcmp.com (http://www.odcmp.com)

Oh, I had assumed CMP would be the organisation handling the distribution of these Korean Garands in the US.

So it won't be the CMP, it will be private sales?

[Kadrun]

Oh, I had assumed CMP would be the organisation handling the distribution of these Korean Garands in the US.

So it won't be the CMP, it will be private sales?

Whoever calls for the highest price will be in charge of sales in the U.S.

[dbamil]

Obviously Ambassador is much more knowledgeable but wanted to add that S Korea supposedly keeps the weapons and gear (pretty much basic gear as rifle, ammo belt plus few basic gear) for reserves in individual airtight packs. These are stacked in warehouses around the country, with the idea that IF the reserves are called up (numbering a few million ?), the packs would be distributed to reserves.

[LineDoggie]

Oh, I had assumed CMP would be the organisation handling the distribution of these Korean Garands in the US.

So it won't be the CMP, it will be private sales?No I was pointing out where a Garand can be gotten for less than $800 bucks. CMP only handles Lend Lease and MAP and Loaned out weapons. Greece returned their Garands and Carbines because they were loaners so they went to the Army which sends them onto CMP. Bavaria Police sent their M1 Carbines back as well

[gilgoul]

We get to own weapons here short of crew served machine guns... dont see much criminal acts with those types of weapons over here.

I am emmigrating to the phillipines then

Is it hard to get citizenship? :)

[James]

Wow we actually left that many weapons back in Korea?

I believe they are Korean property, not abandoned US stocks. We supplied them during the Korean War and after and foe obvious logistical reasons provided them with the same stuff our guys carried.

[Troubadour]

I remember when I was 13 Garands were like $150 bucks at sports stores... I hope it becomes like that again.

Edit: After reading that they'll be imported around 200-300, that probably means dealers around here will put them at a nice $10,000,000 and say something about another Obama scare.

[dbamil]

I believe they are Korean property, not abandoned US stocks. We supplied them during the Korean War and after and foe obvious logistical reasons provided them with the same stuff our guys carried.

US recently also transferred to S Korea the ownership of HUGE amount of artillery shells (105, 155, mortar) that had been stockpiled in S Korea. S Korea was actually hesitant (too old) to accept from what I hear but they really had no choice. Transporting back to US would be stupid/expensive and they were already sitting on S Korean soil. Heard they were going to fire few shells from each lot to make sure they were not degraded too much.

[James]

US recently also transferred to S Korea the ownership of HUGE amount of artillery shells (105, 155, mortar) that had been stockpiled in S Korea. S Korea was actually hesitant (too old) to accept from what I hear but they really had no choice. Transporting back to US would be stupid/expensive and they were already sitting on S Korean soil. Heard they were going to fire few shells from each lot to make sure they were not degraded too much.

Sounds like a military aid program - "Here's your XXXX$ in military aid, this year we're giving it to you in the form of artillery shells. They're pretty old, but I'm sure they'll be fine."

I'm not sure what it has to do with ROK exporting old military rifles to the US.

[carboys]

I do hope my country is as "efficient" as the S korea , Armalite 601 , M16A1 , 1911 are all being destroyed here ... Damn ..

[Skutatos]

So what do they consider a "Korea Veteran" when it comes to purchasing these? My Grandfather was on the USS Hornet loading ordnance on Skyraiders. He might be interested in this.

[Kadrun]

So what do they consider a "Korea Veteran" when it comes to purchasing these? My Grandfather was on the USS Hornet loading ordnance on Skyraiders. He might be interested in this.

Probably KIA or WIA priority?

[Kadrun]

The MND has started auction for 84,417 M1 Garands (Korean War relics).


“Though the United States has agreed to allow the importation of the M1 Garand rifles from Seoul, there is a slight possibility that it may reverse its earlier decision if there is a change in gun-control laws or a changed political situation,” an official said.

Robert Kyle, a reporter at the U.S. Antique Week newspaper, estimated that M1 rifles will be offered for around $500 but more for those in better condition.

“At this point no one knows how they look, how well they were cared for while in storage, or if they have damage.” He said. “Also, it is usually required that importers stamp their name on the gun barrels to show the gun was imported. Collectors don't like these markings. I don't know if the M1 rifles will be stamped.”



Some important part for the importers.