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budanski
08-23-2003, 11:30 PM
Iraqis, Marines live together
U.S. Marines (http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf/ad983156332a819185256cb600677af3/0a38d2e8be179ebc85256d4900667d80?OpenDocument)

KARBALA, Iraq(June 18, 2003) -- In a power transformer yard in northern Karbala, protected by barbed wire, the Marines of I Company, 3rd Battalion, 7th Marines make their home.

What makes this arrangement unusual is that inside the company's perimeter, is a row of small apartment buildings were a handful of Iraqi men, who run the transformer yard, live with their families.

The families lived in the compound long before the coalition invasion of Iraq, and were still there when the company moved in. Because they share common ground, the Iraqis and Marines have benefited from each other's presence in ways both great and small.

"The first time I came down here was probably a week before we moved into Karbala," said Maj. Matthew Grosz, the company commander. "I met some of the men, and they showed me around the transformer station."

"They're happy to have us here," said Grosz, who hails from Springfield, Va. "They enjoy the security."

Rafid Munir, the brother of Raad Munir, one of the men living on the compound, visits his brother frequently from Baghdad. He said he was very happy his brother is living in the compound with Marines.

"I very happy because the Marines are with Mr. Raad," he said. "It's safer here with the Marines. And in Baghdad and in all of Iraq, it is safer now."

The Marines have enjoyed some benefits from the mutual relationship as well.

"They've given us Arabic classes," said Grosz. "They've let us use water, air conditioning, and electricity, and acted as translators for us."

"We've had a fairly easy time achieving our mission knowing the families were not going to pose a threat," he said.

Also, the Iraqis have set up small stores in front of their houses, selling things to the Marines such as sodas, batteries and lighters the Marines would have no other way of obtaining.

"It's cool, because they get us stuff like sodas or watches or a guitar if someone wants it, which we wouldn't be normally able to get," said Lance Cpl. Boram Hong, from Riverside, Calif., an assistant gunner.

Regardless of the language barrier, the Marines and Iraqis manage to communicate, Grosz said.

"A couple speak broken English and we're able to communicate with them through pictures and hand and arm signals," he said.

The one activity in which the language barrier has little effect is in the games the Marines play with the Iraqi children, including shooting water balloons with a sling one of the Marines got in a care package from home.

"We come out here at night and play with them, shoot water balloons, play soccer and stuff," said Lance Cpl. Jon Bullock, an infantryman from Lilburn, Ga. "I'm the oldest of five, so I like to playfully pick on them a little."

Interacting with the Iraqis and their children is a common pastime for many of the Marines, as it would be for any neighbors.

"We all come over here," said Cpl. Isaiah Akwaboah, from Robbins, Ill., a motor vehicle operator with Truck Company, First Marine Division. "I sit over here, and they give me food and free sodas and stuff."

"We play soccer on a regular basis, and we tried to teach them football, but they didn't catch on to that too well," Hong said. "If people send us stuff like Frisbees, we'll give them to the kids and teach them how to play."

The exchange between the Marines and the nearby residents, whether it's language, customs or games, is a good example of how two different cultures are coming together in the light of the Iraqi people's new found freedom.

"For me this is a dream in my life," said Rafid Munir. "The first day the US forces were in Baghdad, that was a very big day because I touched the freedom in my hand, in my heart, in everything."

http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/Lookup/200361814433/$file/balloon%20slinglr.jpg

high res (http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/ae82f18a8e1b160b852568ba007e7e5e/a45434eefcaa2c8585256d490066d1a8/$FILE/balloon%20slingmr.jpg)
Three Marines fire a water-balloon sling to the amusement of several Iraqi children. The Marines - all members of I Company, 3rd Battalion, 7th Marines - are, from left to right, Cpl. Dean Treichal, 20, from Bay City, Mich.; Lance Cpl. Jon Bullock, 20, from Lilburn, Ga.; and Lance Cpl. Russell Johnson, 20, from Grass Valley, Calif. The Iraqi children are from the four families living in a transformer yard compound with the Marines.

James
08-23-2003, 11:38 PM
Ah, a bit of good news from Iraq. That's nice. 3/7 was my old unit when I was in the Corps. :D

StarvingStudent47
08-24-2003, 03:07 AM
If I was an Iraqi, I'd want to be living next to the Marines. I'd be safe from bandits and stuff, and Marines are darned useful to have around if you've got heavy furniture to move or something. And I'm sure they're good neighbors--so darned tired out that all they want to do in their spare time is sleep or play soccer with the local kids!

Mortimer
08-24-2003, 03:33 AM
lol the US bases are constantly under attack/probes.....i wouldn't want to be around them.

Ratamacue
08-24-2003, 03:41 AM
Apparently the Iraqis do.

lefador1
08-24-2003, 04:05 AM
If I was an Iraqi, I'd want to be living next to the Marines. I'd be safe from bandits and stuff, and Marines are darned useful to have around if you've got heavy furniture to move or something. And I'm sure they're good neighbors--so darned tired out that all they want to do in their spare time is sleep or play soccer with the local kids!

LOL priceless.... do they pay you per line or per word?

rofl

Seraphim
08-24-2003, 05:21 AM
Theres an article very similar to this...I'll try to find it.

StarvingStudent47
08-24-2003, 05:37 AM
If I was an Iraqi, I'd want to be living next to the Marines. I'd be safe from bandits and stuff, and Marines are darned useful to have around if you've got heavy furniture to move or something. And I'm sure they're good neighbors--so darned tired out that all they want to do in their spare time is sleep or play soccer with the local kids!

LOL priceless.... do they pay you per line or per word?

rofl

You like that "rolling on floor laughing" smiley, dontcha?

I've had two experiences with Marines. My sixth-grade typing teacher was a retired USMC drill sergeant. He was one of the best teachers at the school, even though he had a "joke" subject. I also was stranded in an airport for a few days last winter by a severe snowstorm. One of the guys stranded with me was a young Marine just coming back from either Okinawa or South Korea (I forget which). He was a real good guy--taciturn and polite.

If you think I'm biased towards the Marines, I'd be just as happy living next to some Army Rangers in Iraq. And all my friends in the services are in the Air Force (it's a Colorado thing). I wasn't talking USMC in particular.

One thing is for sure--I'd rather be living next to some Marines than some Ba'athist remnants or some fundamentalist guerillas or anything like that.

Seraphim
08-24-2003, 05:39 AM
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2616&highlight=living

lefador1
08-24-2003, 06:21 AM
You like that "rolling on floor laughing" smiley, dontcha?


Sorry is just that the propaganda you just spewed was just too much to take it seriously, I thought you were joking... seriously, either that or you had been under contract to write that.



I've had two experiences with Marines. My sixth-grade typing teacher was a retired USMC drill sergeant. He was one of the best teachers at the school, even though he had a "joke" subject. I also was stranded in an airport for a few days last winter by a severe snowstorm. One of the guys stranded with me was a young Marine just coming back from either Okinawa or South Korea (I forget which). He was a real good guy--taciturn and polite.


So? I have met plenty of great marines, I have also met my share of assholes from the corps. Marines are people too you know, they represent the broad spectrum of human types. My grandpa after he retired from army duty(engineering core/intelligence @ pentagon) lived near El Toro, and I spend plenty of time with him and my grandma, most of thei neighbors were marines, and of course some of them were some fantastic human beings. Although my grandpa always had a lot of jokes and condescending remarks against the marines (but I guess that goes with him being Army and always making fun of Air Force and Navy types). I am not questioning that marines are great human beings (and that would be true for most people in the world), The problem is that my experience and your experience has nothing to do with the experiences of and Iraqui person. You don't know what the situation is, and therefore trying to project your experience of being stranded while a snowstorm with a very polite marine onto whatever is going on in Iraq right now is not only pointless but irrelevant.



If you think I'm biased towards the Marines, I'd be just as happy living next to some Army Rangers in Iraq. And all my friends in the services are in the Air Force (it's a Colorado thing). I wasn't talking USMC in particular.

One thing is for sure--I'd rather be living next to some Marines than some Ba'athist remnants or some fundamentalist guerillas or anything like that.

And you are correct, as an American I very much would like not to just live near a marine base, but rather INSIDE a marine base. As an Iraqui... well I have no freaking idea because neither you nor me were born, raised and educated in Iraq, nor we went through a war of aggression against their country. This may be a newsflash for you: people just do not seem to like when other countries invade their own country. Just look at how we reacted when we were attacked, why would it be so far fetched that maybe other people do not like when their are attacked either?

ibstolidude
08-24-2003, 11:28 AM
2 things

1st - this forum breads (as does the media) a common misconception that all US military instillations are under regular (or even sproradic) attacks. The reality does not support this as reported by the soldiers on the ground; with out a doubt there are regions/area/AO/pick a word in which the instillations are under these regular attacks, but to pretend it is a constant occurance for the majority of instillations is playing into the media...the media would get no coverage if they come on the TV and stated to there were no attacks at the camp on the outskirts of dirtville, again today. - certainly the threat is there

2nd - I would wager the marines benefit more form the locals living with them then the other way around.
- as they pointed out the obvious benefits of the language and culture experience
- it also leads to credibility if those living with you are well treated
- creates a 'symbiotic' environment where your survival and theirs is linked...this makes them usually pretty happy to point out: strangers, odd happenings, rumors, intel - and their general knowledge of who was/is who can be a huge asset. - I would be pretty apt to warn those I lived with if they were to be attacked/plotted against as it will definately affect me, and even if they choose not to warn you and pack up and leave, you'd kinda notice.

I hope we see more of this.

100_Percent_HOOAH
08-24-2003, 12:31 PM
lefador1,

You make some valid points. I'm sure not all iraqis welcomed the invasion, and I'm sure now some of them see us as just an occupying force. These people have been oppressed so harshly since Saddams rule, I'm sure their taste of freedom was more than bittersweet. We really can't sit here and say that they hate or love us. We, as Americans have not been under a harsh dictator like they have, and then after all the years libberated. Most of the populous probably know we have good intentions of getting their country up and running asap. You will always have someone that's not for it, but I believe it's the minority that hate. The media shows mostly all the negative anyway, so most people will think they all hate us.

usa320
08-24-2003, 07:47 PM
ibstolidude i agree with you in entirity... The media has made it seem like our soldiers cannot step outside of their tanks without getting shot dead, when the attacks are few and far between- sporadic at best. As a amtter of fact, this past week seemed to go good after the UN bombing, i dont think there has been a US KIA or Coalition KIA since.

lefador1
08-24-2003, 09:49 PM
lefador1,

You make some valid points. I'm sure not all iraqis welcomed the invasion, and I'm sure now some of them see us as just an occupying force. These people have been oppressed so harshly since Saddams rule, I'm sure their taste of freedom was more than bittersweet. We really can't sit here and say that they hate or love us. We, as Americans have not been under a harsh dictator like they have, and then after all the years libberated. Most of the populous probably know we have good intentions of getting their country up and running asap. You will always have someone that's not for it, but I believe it's the minority that hate. The media shows mostly all the negative anyway, so most people will think they all hate us.

I understand what you are saying, my reservations are as follows: If another country decided that we were oppressed and came about to liberate us. For example China, under their Communist regime they would say what an evil capitalist regime the US has that oppresses the American proletariate and blah blah balh. So they decided to go ahead bomb the **** out of my town, parade their tanks around, and maybe one of their bombs hit my house and half of my family was gone. They could bring all the freedom and democracy they want, but I would be less than amused. I would run to the hills and I would make sure the red army gets a reson for their nickname. As they would get some serious case of red ass from my part... and I am pretty sure there have to be a bunch of great human beings in that army, and maybe their intentions were good (under their perspective) still it doesn't change the fact that they did invade my country.

I agree that Saddam was an evil ****, however I strongly disagree that the best way of getting rid of him was by starving the population for 12 years and then bomb the crap out of them. If we are in the business of getting rid of evil ****s we need to get rid of them all, not just those who happen to oppress people who live on top of massive amounts of oil reserves. As far as I am concerned a single pimping marine sniper would have taken care of business if the objective was in fact the "retirement" of Saddam and the welfare of the Iraqui people.

Seiyuuki
08-24-2003, 09:53 PM
I strongly disagree that the best way of getting rid of him was by starving the population for 12 years and then bomb the crap out of them.

US didn't starve them, there was the UN oil-for-food...though as to what happen to those food, it's anybody guess...maybe if Saddam didn't spend so much on building his palaces, Iraqis wouldn't starve.

lefador1
08-24-2003, 10:07 PM
I strongly disagree that the best way of getting rid of him was by starving the population for 12 years and then bomb the crap out of them.

US didn't starve them, there was the UN oil-for-food...though as to what happen to those food, it's anybody guess...maybe if Saddam didn't spend so much on building his palaces, Iraqis wouldn't starve.

Again what were you expecting Saddam was an evil ****, I strongly disagree with policies that punish entire populations because of their leaders.

budanski
08-24-2003, 11:01 PM
In some cases, leaders are supported and put in power by their own people.

StarvingStudent47
08-25-2003, 01:06 AM
In some cases, leaders are supported and put in power by their own people.

But I don't think that's the case with Saddam. If you read up on his history and methods, he's very much like Joseph Stalin. He snuck into the leadership position through guile and craftiness, and then he used horrific terror and paranoid security forces to maintain an iron grip on the country. With the amount of torture and "disappearings" and even mass-murders he used, resistance just didn't have a chance to organize.

One example: when he became President, he called together all the top government officials (a few hundred). He told them that there were traitors in their midst. He then read off a list of a few dozen (they seem to have been picked randomly). He then made the rest serve as firing squads to execute those few dozen. Right then and there. Scared the living hell out of everyone.

We know about this because he videotaped the entire affair and sent a videotape to every government official in the country.

Seiyuuki
08-25-2003, 01:34 AM
I saw a videotape beating of an Iraqi man on the History Channel when they did a show about Saddams' two sons.

The man apparently misuse his ration, so he was shave completely (a sign of disgrace in the Muslim world) then was hit 50 times with a wooden stick. There were some Iraqi men in the room too to serve as witness.

On the same show, this other man retold how his brothers and relatives were killed by one of Saddam's son, their bodies, riddle with bullets were brought back to their family and they were charge for the use of bullets.