What should Russia do about the terrorists in Chechnya ?

[LordHalbert]

What should Russia do about the terrorists in Chechnya ?


1) Give the terrorists what they want - leave Chechnya. Is that what they really want?

2) Force all Chechens to leave Chechnya

3) Kill/Arrest all the terrorists in Chechnya but allow "good" Chechens to stay. Is this really an option?

[Lt_Crooks]

1.

[uTu]

co-operate more with the coalition, invite/offer support, share intel ...

drop one of the Tsar Bombs (just kidding)

tis a bloody hard question to answer innit

[Rantanplan]

Nuke Saudi Arabia

[Supes]

and Iran too.

[Brozozo]

Wrong f*ckin forum.

[Rantanplan]

Nah. Iran is cool.

[Sayeret]

Kill/Arrest all the terrorists in Chechnya but allow "good" Chechens to stay.

Set up random checkpoints, carry out random raids in Chechnya, put famalies of terrorists in jail for long periods of time and interrogate them there, destroy houses of terrorists, and allow police to walk around with bomb sniffing dogs in Russia.

[Brozozo]

Kill/Arrest all the terrorists in Chechnya but allow "good" Chechens to stay.

Set up random checkpoints, carry out random raids in Chechnya, put famalies of terrorists in jail for long periods of time and interrogate them there, destroy houses of terrorists, and allow police to walk around with bomb sniffing dogs in Russia.

Sounds a lot like Israeli tactics, which by the way aren't exactly pacifying the region.

[MáximoPoder]

Invade Georgia .. kill all the terrorists there and eliminate all of then from Chechnya and Georgia .. with the help of NATO and allies like India and China ...

[goldman]

Invade Georgia .. kill all the terrorists there and eliminate all of then from Chechnya and Georgia .. with the help of NATO and allies like India and China ...

I know this r tense times but i hope u r kidding man

[Brozozo]

Invade Georgia .. kill all the terrorists there and eliminate all of then from Chechnya and Georgia .. with the help of NATO and allies like India and China ...

WTF? NATO, China, India? Allies? Killing rebels in Georgia? Hello?

[American Patriot]

I think he was being facetious.

[TALOS]

Good grief guys, we are armchair debaters, The Russians will do what they believe to be right which is all any countryt would do. Is there an answer to all this? Not really, not until all humans learn to communicate without hatred and greed. And I am not holdng my breath.

[usa320]

I think a good place to start would be to ask the US for help, because our SIGINT and ELINT equipment is wicked compared to theirs.

[goldman]

Oh **** sorry guys but i didnt see the word terrorism man again my apoligy, then i shell be for that too! :oops:

[bison3255]

4. send those abominations where they belong (stalins gulags)

[pathetic]

4. send those abominations where they belong (stalins gulags)


oh yeah - send there all of the terrorist in chechna - terrorist of iraq - terrorist of whatever... and we leav space for G.W.Bush, and everybody whos sale guns for terrorist...

i don"t know where you from - but if you know what thas it mean GULAG - why do you don't check it personel....

ostoba!

[bison3255]

Main Entry: gu·lag
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right where chechens (along with some others) belong

[scrybe]

I think a good place to start would be to ask the US for help, because our SIGINT and ELINT equipment is wicked compared to theirs.

As if the hippies don't already have enough to bitch about. I think, aside from intel, it would be a good idea to stay out of this one as best as we can.

[ikurinturbiini]

The only two options that will end Russian-Chechen conflict in its present form:

1. Russians pull out, give Chechens independence, banish all Chechens from Russia, build a security fence around Chenchnya, divert their oil pipeline, and leave the Chechens alone.

2. Russians round up all Chechens and shoot them.

Unfortunately, in option 1 there's no guarantee that the Chechens will leave the Russians alone. In fact, I don't think they ever will, after evertyhing that has taken place. Besides, an independent Chechnya would never become a viable state, but more or less the haven of extremists and criminals that the Russians have always said it to be. If it wasn't then, it is now.

Option 2 would work, permanently, but I don't think even Putin has the will and balls to try it.

If one has read and learned anything about both the Russians and especially the Chechens, one could see that there is no end to the war as long as even one Chechen draws a breath. They are like that. I'm afraid there's no middle way.

Russia should decide what it really is that they want from Chechnya. It's not like they need the land. Then they need to asses the cost of keeping it, swallow their pride (yeah right) and pull out. Simple as that.

All bull**** about Chechnya being Russian land is just that: bull****. Even Finland was Russian once, and look at us now!

I'd say that in about ten years all necessary regimes (mainly Saudi) will have been replaced, and their support to international terrorism cut off. Then the Chechen rebels will diminish into what they have been before: a mountain tribe capable of petty mischief and screwing up their own people, but no more than that.

[Sayeret]

Sayeret wrote:
Set up random checkpoints, carry out random raids in Chechnya, put famalies of terrorists in jail for long periods of time and interrogate them there, destroy houses of terrorists, and allow police to walk around with bomb sniffing dogs in Russia.Brozozo wrote:

Sounds a lot like Israeli tactics, which by the way aren't exactly pacifying the region

Actually a lot of these tactics were used by the British and the French in Africa and Asia and for the most part they worked pretty well. I would say they have worked very well with dealing with the Palestinian terrorists. Some of these tactics such as putting terrorit famalies in jail isn't done by the Israelis. Even though Palestinian terrorists still exist and they often try to carry out attacks they rarely carry out any successful ones.

[Macs.]

Russia will not pull out of chechenya, because too many russian politicis are makeing good money with this conflict...

[Warlord]

Nuke Saudi Arabia

Wait a minute! Tell me before you do that and give me time to get outand cash my cheque. In exchange I'll tell you which places to nuke first.

I'll leave a strobe marker in top of my boss's "palace".

[Caraway]

Strictly Photos & Video....

[OB Kenobi]

oh yeah - send there all of the terrorist in chechna - terrorist of iraq - terrorist of whatever... and we leav space for G.W.Bush, and everybody whos sale guns for terrorist... !

Bush in the Gulag sounds like a good idea..

[gregb]

Option No1 ----- Post in the correct forum ----- it may seem like bitchin but there are rules here so obey them. It's not hard...

[n4292936]

Kill/Arrest all the terrorists in Chechnya but allow "good" Chechens to stay.

Set up random checkpoints, carry out random raids in Chechnya, put famalies of terrorists in jail for long periods of time and interrogate them there, destroy houses of terrorists, and allow police to walk around with bomb sniffing dogs in Russia.
Because that policy has always worked in Israel????

[intelligenzija]

help chechen people, build more new houses, rebuild schools etc -> good chechens will hunt terrorists themselves

[IDFM203]

Kill/Arrest all the terrorists in Chechnya but allow "good" Chechens to stay.

Set up random checkpoints, carry out random raids in Chechnya, put famalies of terrorists in jail for long periods of time and interrogate them there, destroy houses of terrorists, and allow police to walk around with bomb sniffing dogs in Russia.


Sounds a lot like Israeli tactics, which by the way aren't exactly pacifying the region.hmm NOT TRUE!!! Our tactics have indeed forced a reduction of over 70 percent violence against us to where there used to be a homicide bombing and shooting attacks against Israeli civilians almost daily (and sometime twice a day) and for sure weekly, now its once every few months and that is a BIG difference and well you (and some others) can be blind to it all you want but the FACT is that our tactics have indeed worked in reducing violence against us!!!!

OH and one correction, we do NOT put families of terrorists in jail for long periods, that is NOT something that we do!!!

As for what the Russians should do, no I don’t think they should copy ALL that we do for every situation has its own unique issues, though for while not everything, I do see a need for some things IMO to indeed be learnt from us and perhaps copied, again just MY OPINION.


Shalom :D

[IDFM203]

To add........ ;)


Because that policy has always worked in Israel????YES!!! go read my post above this one.


Oh and on another subject, what is this thread doing in the Photos section? (I thought I saw the word Strictly before it, though maybe it was just me ;) )


Shalom :D

[bloddyaxe]

What Russia could do to get rid of terrorists.

1. Increase salary for border guards, increase their training with a special concern for their national-moral. Train them to become as impervious as possible to bribery.

2. Regulate the border with Georgia and Azerbaijan, make it as difficult as possible to slip by guardposts.

3. Close down areas in Chechnya randomly and conduct checks on villages for weeks at a time and make sure no one can get out of the checked area. The area must contain several villages or towns. Send people to talk to chechens and "educate" them properly.

4. Increase the amount of spetsnaz troops patrolling areas in chechnya, while making them as invisible as possible. Don't worry about the "strategic" reserves of spetsnaz.

5. Find the leaders of the rebels and kill them, bomb Georgian territory if needed.

[NeedsABetterName]

4.Nuke them.Nuke them again.Make big hole in ground.

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

intelligenzija has a point.
Russia won't win the Chechnian war without the support of the local population. Last 10 years of occupation proved that.

[germanRussian]

why don't the russian FSB do that what MOSUL did with eichmann???

they know where this chechen leader live ... (london) ...

just an assault and it's over ... no money more for the terrorism ;)


And I think i've heard it here too, to arrest families of terrorists lifelong :)

[SpikeATGM]

Set up random checkpoints, carry out random raids in Chechnya, put famalies of terrorists in jail for long periods of time and interrogate them there, destroy houses of terrorists, and allow police to walk around with bomb sniffing dogs in Russia.


I thought Russian have been a long time critics of this sort of tactic deploy by IDF.

[Javehn]

It hardly sounds like IDF tactics to me , specialy the families and jail part . The Tactics itself is much more complex issue .

Where are the pictures ?

[intelligenzija]

And I think i've heard it here too, to arrest families of terrorists lifelong
source?

[IDFM203]

I thought Russian have been a long time critics of this sort of tactic deploy by IDF.I mean no offence to any Russians here but indeed besides selling technology to Iran, their past criticism of what we have done I have always had a problem with and I have found it to be highly hypocritical on their part especially considering the fact that in actuality they use much harsher methods that have killed a lot more people then anything we have ever done.


IMO they are critical simply due to the geo political realities that they are in and their long alliances with the Arab world.

Anyway what’s past is past (hopefully ;) ), I can only hope we can move on and in fact increase cooperation (as is happening now with the russian FM in Israel now for anti terrorism cooperation and other things) for I believe cooperation is more productive to them (and to us) then how they have acted towards us in the past.


It hardly sounds like IDF tactics to me , specialy the families and jail part . The Tactics itself is much more complex issue .

Where are the pictures ?I agree though my posts before were merely responding to a couple of posters wrongly claiming that our tactics haven’t worked when in fact they HAVE!!


But yes I didn’t even really get into what Sayeret said for indeed they aren’t exactly what we do and in fact it’s much more complex with a whole lot more then the few things that he said (and some of what he said is flat out wrong when it pertains to Israel).


Shalom :D

[Sayeret]

OH and one correction, we do NOT put families of terrorists in jail for long periods, that is NOT something that we do!!!


But yes I didn’t even really get into what Sayeret said for indeed they aren’t exactly what we do and in fact it’s much more complex with a whole lot more then the few things that he said (and some of what he said is flat out wrong when it pertains to Israel).

I should I have made this more clear although some of the tactics such as the checkpoints are used by Israel but also some of them aern't and some of them were used by the British or French in Africa. The part about putting famalies in jail didn't come from Israel but from other coutnries using counter-insurgency through history. I didn't actually mean put the famailiy in jail for life but put them there for a little bit so you can interrogate them more easily.

[Sayeret]

I thought Russian have been a long time critics of this sort of tactic deploy by IDF.


It hardly sounds like IDF tactics to me , specialy the families and jail part . The Tactics itself is much more complex issue .

I wasn't basing it off Israeli tactics rather counter-insurgency tactics used in history. France and Great Britain used a lot of these tactics in Africa and Asia. Some of the tactics such as the checkpoints are used by the Israelis but the one about putting the terrorist famalies in jail isn't used by them. It'd be better to say this is a list of a lot of counter-insurgency tactics used by different Western countries in history.

[germanRussian]

@inteliintelligenzija:

i've heard it in another context of russian history.

stalin did it with "staate enemies" ;)
and mao too :)

putin should it do with "terrorists families" :lol: