Is the UN Biased Against Israel?

[Sayeret]

Is the UN Biased Against Israel? -
Dore Gold
(Jerusalem Report, 9 Aug 04)

* It's not only Israel. The UN doesn't deal fairly with a
variety of peoples who can't muster the political clout necessary to
get their case heard: Tibetan Buddhists, or Iraqi Kurds, or non-Arab
Muslims in Darfur, Sudan. There are peoples whose rights have been
systematically ignored and whose security has been imperiled because
of the political constellation in the UN.

* Israel is especially vulnerable because it's not a member of a
regional group. If a country decides to arbitrarily attack the
Netherlands, the EU will coalesce and protect the Dutch. The same
thing will happen if there is an assault on Benin, a member of the
Organization of African Unity. Israel is alone. Its primary
alliance, with the U.S., is only relevant in the Security Council,
not in the General Assembly or in the Commission for Human Rights.

* Is there any hope for improvement? Only if there is a fundamental
reform of the UN. In a domestic political system, you would have a
body protecting the rights of minorities - the system would not
tolerate a situation in which some had rights that were denied to
others. But for years, Israel has been denied equal rights at the
UN. It has been denied membership on the Security Council or on the
UN's Economic and Social Council - it can't even be nominated
because it's not a member of a regional group. That has been partly
addressed in recent years, but the UN should have an internal
mechanism that makes sure everyone gets fair treatment.

[scm77]

Isreal should join NATO. Would that even be possible?

[StarvingStudent47]

Very good piece. Yes, the UN is biased against Israel, but that's not due to the inherent evilness and Jew-hating of the world or anything. As this brief article states, it's because of how "coalitions" control the UN, and the Arab states happen to be one of the most important coalitions (because of their oil resources).

The article is also corret to point out that Tibetans and Kurds have been repeatedly ignored by the UN, for similar reasons.

The UN is like prison. If you don't belong to gang, you get raped by everyone.

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Is the UN Biased Against Israel? -
Dore Gold
(Jerusalem Report, 9 Aug 04)

* It's not only Israel. The UN doesn't deal fairly with a
variety of peoples who can't muster the political clout necessary to
get their case heard: Tibetan Buddhists, or Iraqi Kurds, or non-Arab
Muslims in Darfur, Sudan. There are peoples whose rights have been
systematically ignored and whose security has been imperiled because
of the political constellation in the UN.

* Israel is especially vulnerable because it's not a member of a
regional group. If a country decides to arbitrarily attack the
Netherlands, the EU will coalesce and protect the Dutch. The same
thing will happen if there is an assault on Benin, a member of the
Organization of African Unity. Israel is alone. Its primary
alliance, with the U.S., is only relevant in the Security Council,
not in the General Assembly or in the Commission for Human Rights.

* Is there any hope for improvement? Only if there is a fundamental
reform of the UN. In a domestic political system, you would have a
body protecting the rights of minorities - the system would not
tolerate a situation in which some had rights that were denied to
others. But for years, Israel has been denied equal rights at the
UN. It has been denied membership on the Security Council or on the
UN's Economic and Social Council - it can't even be nominated
because it's not a member of a regional group. That has been partly
addressed in recent years, but the UN should have an internal
mechanism that makes sure everyone gets fair treatment.

Sayeret, we had quite a good spell going with no Israel-pali threads. You're inviting criticism with this. I'm not going to criticise israel's dealings with palestinians. However this attack on the UN as with all israeli or GOP attacks on the UN is a little unwaranted. I equate them to pushing and old lady.

1. China is a powerful country the UN cannot do anything about Tibet in the same way that the US can't. It's nice to see you comparing the israeli struggle to that of the non-arab muslims in darffur, but perhaps it would have been better if they weren't the ones oppressing the minority christians?

2. Yes, Israel is alone in it's region, why is the UN to blame for that??

3. What right does Israel have to be on the security council ahead of the likes of Germany and Australia who contribute a lot more to humanitarian and international conflicts. There are no muslim countries on the security council either, This accusation of discrimination is completely rediculous.

I respect Israel and the difficulty of it's situation and the lack of a solution. But I feel for the UN to be blame is not only unwarranted but also, in this case, entirely flawed. Come up with some better reason and I will gladly listen to them.

[achilles]

Isreal should join NATO. Would that even be possible?

Very unlikely in the near future. None of the already-member states would want to bring within NATO the arabo-isreali conflict. Might also give terrorists food for thought and not only that...it would be like the whole of the developed western world embracing what Arabs call Israeli attrocities...i dont think any European government would want that especially for purposes of domestic policies...i am not referring to the US since it is already involved with Israel.

Once the conflict is resolved and the European-Isreali relations improve then i see no reason against Isreal joining NATO. (perhaps a European military scheme ;) )

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I think NATO is a bit outdated, but if it is going to stick around then there is no reason why Israel shouldn't join. The only problem is Nato countries are supposed to protect each other from attack. NATO vs. the palistinians is a tad unbalanced and NATO vs the arab world is unacceptable for the oil guzzling countries of the West, the US of course being the worsed offender. :P

[achilles]

now hit the road before an american tsunami assaults you p-)

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now hit the road before an american tsunami assaults you p-)

I'll fend off what I can before I fall asleep

[IDFM203]

I can even make a much stronger case for the gross bias against Israel then the left leaning Jerusalem report did (as Argyll can attest to ;) ) though for now I am going to try to stay out of this one for now for I have gone over it in great detail before (and if challenged I am fully prepared to copy mylong posts and do it again for its quite clear that the UN is heavily biased against Israel!!)

Now I am not blaming the UN per say, just stating a FACT!!

However for now I would just like to make one correction.



There are no muslim countries on the security council either, This accusation of discrimination is completely rediculous.

err I think you might want to check up on this ;) for I believe Syria is on it!!! (oh and I believe they are a Muslim nation ;) )


Anyways there are more absurd things then just this but I just thought I simply correct this one tid bit here p-)


As for Israel in NATO, well it be nice, simply for the idea of greater international cooperation witn us, though I dont really see much relevnce to NATO any more so I dont really know how it might benfit Israel (or them benfiting from us)


Shalom :D

[SeanAshi]

err I think you might want to check up on this for I believe Syria is on it!!! (oh and I believe they are a Muslim nationAlthough they are a junior member with no veto power :P

[IDFM203]

err I think you might want to check up on this for I believe Syria is on it!!! (oh and I believe they are a Muslim nationAlthough they are a junior member with no veto power :Pwell out of 15 nations on it I belive only five have veto power so of course they don’t have it but they are on it (that was the correction ;) ) and in fact they have held presidency of it as well!! :roll:

Anyways-junior member, well is Israel one? (Yeah it can’t even get that)

Now don’t get me even started with Libya being on the human right council!! :roll:

Anyways there is a whole lot more to my case, though I just wanted to make that brief correction for now!!

Shalom :D

[SeanAshi]

Syria heads UN Security Council
"Syria assumed the presidency of the United Nations Security Council ... for the month of August, marking the second time the terrorist-sponsoring nation has held the prestigious post." (source: Jerusalem Post)

During Syria's first term as head of the UN Security Council, in June 2002, the Damascus-based Islamic Jihad terror group claimed responsibility for killing 17 Israelis in a suicide bombing at the Megiddo junction.

Currently, during Syria's second term as head of the UN Security Council, Hizbullah is reigning terror on northern Israel. On Friday morning, Hizbullah fired nearly 80 Katyushas and mortar rounds at IDF positions in a two-hour bombardment.

Israel's Ambassador to the United Nations, Danny Gillerman, says it is "absurd" that Syria, a country which supports the Hizbullah terrorist organization, is currently serving as head of the UN Security CouncilArticle is old but Syria heading the Security Council is obsurd! :cantbeli:

[Sayeret]

Sayeret, we had quite a good spell going with no Israel-pali threads. You're inviting criticism with this. I'm not going to criticise israel's dealings with palestinians. However this attack on the UN as with all israeli or GOP attacks on the UN is a little unwaranted. I equate them to pushing and old lady.

First off the article has little to do with the Palestinians. Its not the usual anti-UN stuff, it shows how they don't treat other countries or groups of people including Israel equally.

[Gatling]

StarvingStudent47
Yes, the UN is biased against Israel, but that's not due to the inherent evilness and Jew-hating of the world or anything. As this brief article states, it's because of how "coalitions" control the UN, Absolutely right.I can't really say that the UN is biased against Israel{because I honestly don't have any facts on that} but i'll grant you that Israel is closely scrutinized .

[Mr. Nielsen]

Article is old but Syria heading the Security Council is obsurd! :cantbeli:

Well, China sits permanently in the Security Council with veto power. How about that.

The UN system from it's origin deals with whoever is de facto in charge of a state. Democratic or not.

[2RHPZ]

Answer to the question is YES, IT IS. So does European Union. Czech goverment remains almost only one amoung EU countries who support Israel in his policy and got warning two weeks ago from Brusel to follow EU attitudes.

[Moledet]

I would take all this articles has the reason it is biased:
http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/un/all.html

[StarvingStudent47]

StarvingStudent47
Yes, the UN is biased against Israel, but that's not due to the inherent evilness and Jew-hating of the world or anything. As this brief article states, it's because of how "coalitions" control the UN, Absolutely right.I can't really say that the UN is biased against Israel{because I honestly don't have any facts on that} but i'll grant you that Israel is closely scrutinized .

I'm not sure we're seeing eye-to-eye. I'm saying that the UN *is* biased against Israel, not just that "the UN scrutinizes Israel." I just trace that bias to the dependence of of most countries on Arab oil, as opposed to rampant anti-Jewish attitudes everywhere from Japan to Liberia. In my opinion, the Arab coalition in the UN is extremely biased against Israel, and forces the rest of the UN to follow along by threatening their oil supplies.

The USA is different because we can't be brought to our knees by the threat of an Arab oil boycott (we've already survived one). Why?
1) Domestic oil.
2) Latin American oil.
3) We're such a huge purchaser of oil that Arab states can't afford to cut us off. They NEED our purchases.

I don't believe that the Japanese and Liberians and most other UN countries hate Israel, but I believe they've been blackmailed into keeping their mouth shut. In my opinion, this situation makes the UN "biased."

Substitute "China" for "Arab states," "Tibet" for "Israel," and "trade" for "oil" and I think this also explains why the UN is biased against an independent Tibet. China doesn't want it to happen at all for whatever reasons, and everyone else is blackmailed into agreeing.

[achilles]

starvingstudent:

In my opinion, the Arab coalition in the UN is extremely biased against Israel, and forces the rest of the UN to follow along by threatening their oil supplies.

i think this is a good point, although i do not really know the extent to which they can influence UN decision against Isreal. Perhaps Arabs can influence the UN towards their favour for irrelevant matters (economic issues for instance) rather than harm Israel via the United Nations. This is just my impression, bearing in mind the worldwide Isreali lobbies that can be effective sometimes, especially through the Unites States. (i hate conspiracy theories by the way ;) )

The USA is different because we can't be brought to our knees by the threat of an Arab oil boycott (we've already survived one). Why?
1) Domestic oil.
2) Latin American oil.
3) We're such a huge purchaser of oil that Arab states can't afford to cut us off. They NEED our purchases.

1) Estimations claim that US domestic reserves suffice for no more than 6 months so autonomy in that case clearly depends on the length of a hypothetical embargo.
2) That resolves the problem, and i cannot neglect Russia with its decent reserves.
3)I generally agree although they could do it for a little while just to pressure things...pump up prices a little bit for example.



My question to you and to anyone else claiming a UN or EU bias against Isreal. What would make the UN/EU attitude towards Isreal non
biased? Could you sketch a hypothetical scenario of non-bias for that matter?

Thanx

[2RHPZ]

My question to you and to anyone else claiming a UN or EU bias against Isreal. What would make the UN/EU attitude towards Isreal non
biased?

EU should open eyes and to be aware of repercussion of current policy towards Israel .. simply think twice, look more to the future, to do more black/white politics. UN should does nothing - UN is dead.