My gripes with this forum's members and the U.S. Presidency.

[Sloppy Joe2]

First off, I want to point out that I am not a supporter of President Obama or the majority of his policies and actions. I did not vote for him and will not vote for him in this upcoming election. Personally I would like nothing else than to see him out of office, particularly if there is a more viable candidate to hold the office.

That being said, what happened to respecting the office of our commander and chief? I see a variant of names being used for our presidents, recent past and present. Don’t get me wrong, that is your right to do so. But it has been said recently on this forum a number of times recently that just because you have the right, does that make it right?

Maybe it is just something I picked up in the military, but you should respect the position of your leaders; right or wrong. Not saying the man or woman in particular.

If I understand it correctly, those living in the U.S. who toss out names for our present President such as “Barry” “B.O.”, and “Obamanation” and those who have thrown them out for our past President such as “Dubya”, “Bush Lite” and “Chimp-in-chief” either consider themselves concerned about the direction of the U.S.A. or comedians. This goes for all members that hold any position of public service within our government.

I like most others here consider this a respectable forum, and as such IMHO we should be respectable in our discussion not only to each other but to those that are the topic of our discussion. If you have issue with your elected leader address it at the issue, but respect the position to which they were elected by your own fellow citzens.
Even though we are anonymous behind our usernames and on the internet, respect should remain just as such as we hold it to personal encounters. I’m drunk, but this has been bugging me for a bit. Flame me, disagree, or agree, I leave the rest to discussion.

[Zorro C9]

What's wrong with "Dubya."

You're concentrating on the wrong thing. The major issue here is that those names are used as cover for a lack of debate. That's the major problem at MP.net.

[California Joe]

Very well written whilst under the influence. Kudos on that Chlorinator. I think I actually banned more people for threatening to shoot W than I have the current POTUS. Yes it's disrespectful. You're right.

[Zorro C9]

Very well written whilst under the influence. Kudos on that Chlorinator. I think I actually banned more people for threatening to shoot W than I have the current POTUS. Yes it's disrespectful. You're right.

From casual observation it seems that the GWB hate came from overseas (being relative to the US) while the OB hate comes from within.

*shrug*

[Dexx]

What's wrong with "Dubya."

You're concentrating on the wrong thing. The major issue here is that those names are used as cover for a lack of debate. That's the major problem at MP.net.

Lack of debate is the right point to make. This forum used to be way way more polarized and out of hand than it is today. Then a decision was made to clean out the mess and streamline it. Now it is the same 50 people all over the place again and again without anything close of a hotly contested debate. It is boring. Probably that is why this board is losing members and I just drop by only once in a while. I liked it better in the past. The TS is wrong in terms of falmes and respect. This forum has never been more clean than today.

[johanness]

Lack of debate is the right point to make. This forum used to be way way more polarized and out of hand than it is today. Then a decision was made to clean out the mess and streamline it. Now it is the same 50 people all over the place again and again without anything close of a hotly contested debate. It is boring. Probably that is why this board is losing members and I just drop by only once in a while. I liked it better in the past. The TS is wrong in terms of falmes and respect. This forum has never been more clean than today.

As sad as it is .... you are right

[beNder]

No way man, *waiting for the other side did it worse*

You are a communist supporter and I find this post highly disgusting. I will report it, cause I dont like it.


ps obama ran the debt up!!!!!!!!

[Zorro C9]

No way man, *waiting for the other side did it worse*

You are a communist supporter and I find this post highly disgusting. I will report it, cause I dont like it.


ps obama ran the debt up!!!!!!!!

I didn't think it possible, but you have just managed to sum up every debate on MP.net (from Republicans vs Democratics to Vegemite vs Marmite and all in between) in just a few sentences.

[Migs]

Just because he [the President] is my leader does not make him my superior.

[Flagg]

I reckon the Mod Squad will be taking scalps if anyone crosses the line in the upcoming election silly season.

It's possible to be respectful to the Office of President as well as be a bit funny/cheeky.

Some can pull it off.....others can't.

If you're not sure if you can pull it off without getting infracted......then you obviously can't.

PLUS......making an effective argument that DOESN'T include references to the President being an AQ Muslim sleeper agent or what the First Lady had for lunch/the size of her buttocks can only be good for your argument.....regardless of how good or pathetic said argument is.

A lot of the unnecessary political/personal labelling rubbish detracts from an otherwise effective message...or simply makes the poster look seriously retarded rather than just mildly retarded or concussed.

[Sloppy Joe2]

Very well written whilst under the influence. Kudos on that Chlorinator. I think I actually banned more people for threatening to shoot W than I have the current POTUS. Yes it's disrespectful. You're right. Thanks CJ.

I've just gotten tired of the rhetoric around over the last eight years. At least now I can feel like I was the useless voice that spoke up in the passionate town-hall meeting.

[Corrupt]

or simply makes the poster look seriously retarded rather than just mildly retarded or concussed.

Go big or go home is my motto ;)

[Maximmmm]

Eh, the forum just reflects what's happening in America these days. Remember that heckling when he was giving his speech, or that governor sticking her finger in his face. Lot's of screaming, no substance.

[smileys]

Very well written, and i agree with what you wrote Sloppy Joe.

[GayRaccoon7]

Ah a white knight

[Hollis]

SJ2, well said. It would be nice if people choose to take the high road. Maybe because of all the smearing a candidate and their family has to go threw is why we end up with the candidates that we do and not those who are very capable.

[deagle]

you're right, its treason, and if ppl don't like our CIC or country, then they can STFU or GTFO

[HK in AK]

O'bummer....................lol.




I just had to do it.

[Fargin]

Political compromise = political defeat.

[kimujnr]

Obomba, Bamby and Moochelle do give me quite a laugh. p-)

Great post.

[LineDoggie]

you're right, its treason, and if ppl don't like our CIC or country, then they can STFU or GTFOKeep that day job....

[Hollis]

you're right, its treason, and if ppl don't like our CIC or country, then they can STFU or GTFO

Tell you what, sober up or don't post shi t like that. Maybe when you are sober you will understand what Sloppy Joe said.

[C.Puffs]

you're right, its treason, and if ppl don't like our CIC or country, then they can STFU or GTFO

Treason to disagree with the guy in the big chair or despise him for his policies? Give me a break. I guess we're just suppose to be good little Obamatons huh?

[C.Puffs]

Political compromise = political defeat.

We can largely thank the media for that.

[Fargin]

We can largely thank the media for that.
Seldom do we agree so much in this part of the forum. :D

[Hollis]

We can largely thank the media for that.

I agree, the media is a big part of the problem. Excitement sells time. A anything go mud slinging fight will gather more viewers than a get together of people working together to fix a problem. So the other part of the problem is the population, that falls for this stuff.

[Fargin]

The news media just don't get it: We're not losing interest because of the lack of drama, we're losing interest because of the lack of substance.

[The Baba Person]

Good post Sloppy Joe2. Well put.

[DaveDash]

I used to say during the Bush years that Americans tend to forget the man is American, and many treat him like an enemy over a fellow American. I guess the same is also true of Obama.

I am still taken aback how polarised people on this forum from the US are, whether it is to do with politics, economics, or what have you. I find long stints of arguing/reading this part of the forum can really skew your opinion after a while, as there is definitely a pessimistic/negative theme from many posters here which quite often doesn't reflect reality. But stepping back for a week or two can help bring back fresh perspectives.

This forum is still much higher quality than many others (spend time elsewhere and the difference is immediately obvious).

[Squeezee]

You have great grammar for a drunk :D.

[SkyUS]

Using Ad Hominem attacks only cheapens your arguments.

Another thing that I just don't understand is that is takes longer to write : Omabanation, Obomba, Zero, the Chosen One, Dear Leader etc than just Obama. I mean seriously you are only wasting your own time to write stupid and look like a retard to every other poster here.

i used to visit this forum a lot more but with Election of Obama in 2008 the political section has became unbearable to visit. Every other day you have threads about Obama revoking gun rights, being the least biblical president, Obama being a muslim, an America hating Kenyan, LIBURALS bringing socialism, communism and any other form of isims. It's tiring to argue with the same 5 people.

I will give you this though. Forum is clean only on surface. You still have bigoted replies from the known culprits here. they have learned to make statements that are just indirect enough not to be screaming " hey look at me, I am a racist"

just my 2 cents

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

I reckon the Mod Squad will be taking scalps if anyone crosses the line in the upcoming election silly season.

Personally i'm going for 'ace in a day'.

My quota has been pretty light lately. I need to up my game.

[Toddy1]

Personally i'm going for 'ace in a day'.

My quota has been pretty light lately. I need to up my game.
You're quota must match the Red Barons to be considered legal

[C.Puffs]

Using Ad Hominem attacks only cheapens your arguments.

I will give you this though. Forum is clean only on surface. You still have bigoted replies from the known culprits here. they have learned to make statements that are just indirect enough not to be screaming " hey look at me, I am a racist"
just my 2 cents

So does playing the race card. Just my 2 cents.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

You're quota must match the Red Barons to be considered legal

He's going to look positively lackadaisical compared to my kill rate.

[sgt_G]

You're quota must match the Adolf Galland to be considered legal


just....a challenge

[SkyUS]

So does playing the race card. Just my 2 cents.

What is the race card? Do I have to be non-white to play it? What if I am White and I would like to call somebody out for blatant racism.

Why should I take somebody's argument seriously if it's coming from a racist standpoint.

If we agree that racist views are not welcome here, how is calling out somebody to be a racist supposedly "playing the race card" aka another form of ad hominem attack.

And I am not even talking about Obama here. I see it more prevalent in non-Obama threads.

[Hollis]

If we agree that racist views are not welcome here, how is calling out somebody to be a racist supposedly "playing the race card" aka another form of ad hominem attack.

And I am not even talking about Obama here. I see it more prevalent in non-Obama threads.


I believe he is referring to when it is played and there is no racism involved. It is used as a smoke screen or to silence any objection.

[C.Puffs]

What is the race card? Do I have to be non-white to play it? What if I am White and I would like to call somebody out for blatant racism.

Why should I take somebody's argument seriously if it's coming from a racist standpoint.

If we agree that racist views are not welcome here, how is calling out somebody to be a racist supposedly "playing the race card" aka another form of ad hominem attack.

And I am not even talking about Obama here. I see it more prevalent in non-Obama threads.

Go Google "playing the race card". In a nut shell it's resorting to accusing one of being a racist rather than acknowledging one has a legitimate complaint with a person's policies or actions.

[C.Puffs]

I believe he is referring to when it is played and there is no racism involved. It is used as a smoke screen or to silence any objection.

This. In today's overly PC society it's a most effective weapon when one has no legitimate defense. It frequently results in the accused being piled on as society seems to view a racist (actual or not) as fair game for abuse.

[Fargin]

Then again the race-card or the political correctness card can also get played preemptively by the other side.

Labeling criticism as playing the race card or being overly political correct.

[LineDoggie]

What is the race card? Do I have to be non-white to play it? What if I am White and I would like to call somebody out for blatant racism.

Why should I take somebody's argument seriously if it's coming from a racist standpoint.

If we agree that racist views are not welcome here, how is calling out somebody to be a racist supposedly "playing the race card" aka another form of ad hominem attack.

And I am not even talking about Obama here. I see it more prevalent in non-Obama threads.Define Racist in regards to opposition of Obama?

I've been flat out called a racist by a Member here without to my knowledge ever saying anything racist. Was accused of calling Him a Kenyan when in point of fact I never did by yet another poster. Is the race card to be dropped at will to silence opposition? because that dog wont hunt.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

This. In today's overly PC society it's a most effective weapon when one has no legitimate defense. It frequently results in the accused being piled on as society seems to view a racist (actual or not) as fair game for abuse.

Like playing the liberal/socialist card then.

[junglejim]

From reading the posts in this forum, I think it is the main issue with having a Presidential type of government. People tend to vote for one guy with the expectations of him being Jesus Christ and solving all their woes, and ends up being disappointed and jaded. An example is Obama, how can one expect a one president will be able to fix a conundrum that too decades to create by multiple administrations.

It's the same thing here in the Philippines... come election time the mud slinging, followed by handshakes and high rating, then the hate for his failures.

[Toddy1]

just....a challenge
I'll see your Galland and raise you a Lyudmila Pavlichenko

[Maximmmm]

This forum is still much higher quality than many others (spend time elsewhere and the difference is immediately obvious).

We have our mods to thank for that, just imagine if all the 40posters took over all discussion on the site.

[LaoSexMachine]

Im voting for Obama again.

[Fargin]

I still think it's amazing we managed to agree for two whole pages, before we returned to the trenches. Maybe there's not still hope, but maybe there's still the illusion of hope, which is almost as good as.

[C.Puffs]

Like playing the liberal/socialist card then.

Not entirely the same though, as in most places being a liberal/socialist isn't as bad as being a racist. :-)

[C.Puffs]

Im voting for Obama again.

Aren't you a Texan? Better keep that to yourself. p-)

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Not entirely the same though, as in most places being a liberal/socialist isn't as bad as being a racist. :-)

It is here, as far as a number of members are concerned.

That'll change over time....

[sgt_G]

I'll see your Galland and raise you a Lyudmila Pavlichenko

she wasnt a pilot.....

[DaveDash]

We have our mods to thank for that, just imagine if all the 40posters took over all discussion on the site.

I think so too.

Every time there is a major military/security event, heaps of newbies flock here to post their opinions after finding the site on google, and we are briefly reminded of what this site would be like without the moderation it has.

[Toddy1]

she wasnt a pilot.....

Neither's Ngati...although fairy's fly, so it kind of counts

:)

Just kidding Mr Mod.

[Zorro C9]

I do think that some of the moderation could be tempered by certain mods. There is a bit of blatant threatening happening when it's obvious that if said mod or mods were to actually read the post properly then context could be found easily.

I say this only in the context of the political subforum, I should note.

[junglejim]

I agree with DaveDash, for better or for worse the mods here are actually doing a pretty decent job. And the quality of this forum is better by heaps and bounds. Here you can be an Atheist, Christian radical, Muslim, Liberal, Right wing etc. As long as you dont abuse it, you pretty much can say your peace. Try that in other forums and you get ****canned for having an unpopular opinion. Also the stupid here is not that bad compared to the others, well at least here they know they are stupid.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Neither's Ngati...although fairy's fly, so it kind of counts

:)

Just kidding Mr Mod.

You amuse me. I shall retain you as a forum plaything for the Mods.

[Hollis]

You amuse me. I shall retain you as a forum plaything for the Mods.

That would be a good title for Toddy, after all he wears a easy access kilt. :)

[LaoSexMachine]

Aren't you a Texan? Better keep that to yourself. p-)
The.GOP clowns is giving the office to him

[Maximmmm]

I agree with DaveDash, for better or for worse the mods here are actually doing a pretty decent job. And the quality of this forum is better by heaps and bounds. Here you can be an Atheist, Christian radical, Muslim, Liberal, Right wing etc. As long as you dont abuse it, you pretty much can say your peace. Try that in other forums and you get ****canned for having an unpopular opinion. Also the stupid here is not that bad compared to the others, well at least here they know they are stupid.

x2 and whatever bias there is, usually depends on majority opinion, not an intrinsic feature of the site.

[harryc]

What's wrong with "Dubya."

You're concentrating on the wrong thing. The major issue here is that those names are used as cover for a lack of debate. That's the major problem at MP.net.

Even on threads where you would think the topic would fit the world views of some members - all they can come up with is name calling and slander (the other guys worse).

[Zorro C9]

Yes, Harry, a lack of debate or reasoned discussion is one of the major pitfalls to this forum. It's certainly a failing and something we could all improve on.

[junglejim]

Yes, Harry, a lack of debate or reasoned discussion is one of the major pitfalls to this forum. It's certainly a failing and something we could all improve on.

Racist!!! 123

[Zorro C9]

Racist!!! 123

Have you noticed that the republican colour is red, which is also the colour of communism? Ergo, you're a facist.

[clean]

The.GOP clowns is giving the office to him

I surmise that they are doing this on purpose.

In 1984, when I was a Page at the democratic convention in SF, they had decided to let Mondale run with Geraldine Ferraro because, A, they knew they couldn't beat Reagan, and 2, the next election when they push for a women candidate, they could say "We tried that, it didn't work."

So now the GOP is letting the fringe right have their day, so in four years they can say "We tried that, didn't work."

[Hollis]

I surmise that they are doing this on purpose.

In 1984, when I was a Page at the democratic convention in SF, they had decided to let Mondale run with Geraldine Ferraro because, A, they knew they couldn't beat Reagan, and 2, the next election when they push for a women candidate, they could say "We tried that, it didn't work."

So now the GOP is letting the fringe right have their day, so in four years they can say "We tried that, didn't work."

Geraldine should have been the presidential candidate. She is a sharp person.

Reagan was the Teflon suit originator. Amazing the press loved him.

[clean]

Yeah, Geraldine was very sharp. But the old boys running the party weren't ready for it. I was in the room during the conversation.

[Hollis]

Yeah, Geraldine was very sharp. But the old boys running the party weren't ready for it. I was in the room during the conversation.

They were no way as progressive as they thought they were. Mondale throwing in the towel around 2:30 PM PST was very distasteful.

[clean]

They were looking to 1988. They all just phoned it in.

[Hollis]

They were looking to 1988. They all just phoned it in.

Yep, and they lost that one too.

[clean]

That was just Reagan's 3rd term.

[Hollis]

That was just Reagan's 3rd term.

I see what you did there.

[Euroamerican]

So does playing the race card. Just my 2 cents.

X2. Just because I don't like Obama, and I really don't like him, doesn't make me a racist. Kind of an ad hominem there.

As soon as you use the race card like that, you lose the argument. It's like bringing the Nazis or abortion into an argument.....

Now as to elevating the level of our discourse, I think the OP is probably right.

[SkyUS]

X2. Just because I don't like Obama, and I really don't like him, doesn't make me a racist. Kind of an ad hominem there.

As soon as you use the race card like that, you lose the argument. It's like bringing the Nazis or abortion into an argument.....

Now as to elevating the level of our discourse, I think the OP is probably right.

Like I have said before. I have seen this the least in Obama related threads.

Yes, a person without an argument will try to discredit your argument by branding you as a racist. I agree with you that they lose the argument.

[Toddy1]

Like I have said before. I have seen this the least in Obama related threads.

Yes, a person without an argument will try to discredit your argument by branding you as a racist. I agree with you that they lose the argument.
So says the bigot :)

[clean]

Once you are the president, you're not white, black, Irish, southern, northern, a former actor... You're just a guy who makes decision for everybody, and nobody is going to like it.

(And yes, I only capitalized "Irish")

[Toddy1]

a former actor

I didn't know John Wilkes Booth became President

[clean]

I didn't know John Wilkes Booth became President

He didn't. Monty Clift did.

[Toddy1]

Oh, that's a relief then :)

[juxtapose]

I'm still relatively new to the forum (less than a year), but I want to add my voice in saying that I thought this was a great post, SloppyJoe2.

As a recent member looking at things with "fresh eyes", my personal experience is that there are a lot of members whose posts I follow with great interest, and who I learn from, but also more than a few that make me want to wear polarized (and maybe that's an appropriate word for it) sunglasses because the shrillness, and often the font size, literally hurt my eyes.

Although, for me, the virtues of the former significantly outweigh the fatigue created by the latter, which is why I continue to happily participate, I admit feeling annoyed when topics that are interesting (though sensitive) degenerate into shouting matches.

While I agree that the substance of posts/discussions is fundamentally what matters, SloppyJoe2's point is relevant because, very often, using slurs, or monikers bordering on slurs, often act as triggers for the emotions spiraling out of control.

As other posters/mods have said, it's one thing to use, ah, colorful language, in the spirit of zesty communal good humor, and another when they are used in a mean-spirited way as a rhetorical bludgeon. How can we tell the difference? As former US Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart commented, while it's difficult to define the class of p0rography that has no absolutely no redeeming social value, "I know it when I see it". (Unless, of course, you're Senator Santorum, who is evidently blessed by evolution with a mutation that allows him to sniff out such doings from a mile away. Upwind. See? I called him "Senator" ;-)). I think most of us can tell the difference.

As we head towards the finish line of the election season, I'd personally like to enjoy the discussions/debates here without all of us raising our blood pressures to dangerous levels. Cutting down on mean-spirited name-calling may not be everything, but it's a start.

Thanks for the timely public service, SloppyJoe.

[clean]

^^^^ Nothing kills a thread faster than honesty and sincerity. Nice going, juxtapose.























(This was my 10,000th post. Booyah!)

[juxtapose]

^^^^ Nothing kills a thread faster than honesty and sincerity. Nice going, juxtapose.


(This was my 10,000th post. Booyah!)
^^Sorry about that. And now for my next act I'll add insult to injury:

SloppyJoe's particular point regarding respect for the office of POTUS is a good one. This is because, unlike, say, a constitutional monarchy, the President acts as both head of state (representing the the nation, both domestically and abroad) as well as chief executive. It's always been in some ways an awkward combination, but there it is. A bit of a tightrope act, but Americans need to be mindful that, in disagreeing with the President (sometimes vehemently) on politics and policy, we do not damage country's dignity in the process.

(Congrats on the posting milestone :grin:. Although you've got to tell me how you did that. It took me the better part of a year to get over 100).

[clean]

Absolutely. It's not only our right to question the President, it's our duty, as Americans.

[plato]

There will always be people disrespecting the President. But not many people do this right in his face. There have been unprecedented disrespectful acts by public figures right in this President's face. From Bill O'Reilly interrupting Obama 48 times in a 15 mins interview, to Joe Wilson, to Arizona Governor sticking a finger in his face. This is unprecedented.

We always smile and talk nice in front of our Presidents, and talk **** about them behind their backs. But this is changing.

[gusto]

I love the Daily Show and Colbert the only American shows worth watching nowadays.Jon Stewart has run rings around O'Reilly when they've met.

From what I've seen of the candidates that are up against Obama....he might just stay in the top job.

[KoTeMoRe]

2 points.

1. One has to enjoy that learning curve. Mods having to deal with individuals in the forum is one thing, but mods having to put up stakhanovist like work, because the debates, insults, petty vengeances fly by like an Sa-2 on SAM Alley that's quite problematic. I reckon that on various occasions no matter the truth one holds, it's just not worth troubling the forum's peace. So getting gagged sometimes is painful, but overall benefic.

2. The issue relies also with the audience. People are just TOO ****e to hit the report button while not even trying to understand the basic point, it's like the Good Old times. A couple of members would have made great Stasi/ShIK people here with their snitching.

Bottom Point: This is a Private Forum. Members gotta deal with it. And I'm telling this from a "deficitary account".

[sgt_G]

(Congrats on the posting milestone :grin:. Although you've got to tell me how you did that. It took me the better part of a year to get over 100).
Simple, he has no life like most of us post wohrs.....p-)

[Arkansas Bo]

I love this Forum as a whole, and have no complaints about the top rate modding that goes on here :)

However this is a section I try not to devote to much time on, if only just to laugh at other members who rage about whatever "issue" they deem is a grave threat to their well being.

I would say that politically I lean Center-left, but the way that "Liberal" is thrown around like a Swear word gives me pause to share my opinion, even tho I know this is a heavily "right" Board, sometimes this section feels like the Free Republic. I do believe that we could have civil discussions and exchange ideas without it turning to a shout fest, you're retarded, that'll never work, you weak,spineless, know nothing, bleeding heart, etc,etc,etc. rhetoric, that espouses the arguments that seem to come up.

I probably gonna butcher this quote, but they say debate is the art of telling your rival to go to hell, to where he looks forward to the trip, or another, that you attract more flies with Honey then ****. I don't know.

[Arkansas Bo]

As far as the Racist angle that someone pointed out, I do think that in regards to Obama, I don't see too many red flags, in-regards to this section, but I know in the off-topic sometimes it can get a little overboard. As soon as somebody black does something retarded, It turns into a pile on, who can type the "ghetto-est" Ebonics, take em off welfare, and even not to long ago, you had fellow member usa320 openly and seriously advocate why people wonder why he supports the "all blacks back to Africa" movement. :roll: but it is what it is.

[KB]

I'll see your Galland and raise you a Lyudmila Pavlichenko

..and I'll see your Lyudmila and raise an Erich Hartman...game, set and match. :-)

[shermbodius]

and even not to long ago, you had fellow member usa320 openly and seriously advocate why people wonder why he supports the "all blacks back to Africa" movement. :roll: but it is what it is.
Don't forget Mullets for 'Merica and Beer Bellies for Bikers.

:)

[Hollis]

2. The issue relies also with the audience. People are just TOO ****e to hit the report button while not even trying to understand the basic point, it's like the Good Old times. A couple of members would have made great Stasi/ShIK people here with their snitching.
.

I would rather have a person hit the report button than take matters in their own hands by flaming the other member. BTW, you do know for a report to work/infraction issued it takes a mod to agree with it. There are a number of reports where nothing was done. The post is read and the Mod does not feel it is worth acting on, or the the person who reported it over reacted. Disagreement is not a reason to report a post, but some will report a post because they disagree with it.

If you feel some one reported you and that you have received a infraction, all the blame of the infraction is on the Mod.

Like the up coming elections mean spirited comments meant to hurt will earn a members a infraction or more. It is not about one's opinion, though some people will say it was, it is about the insults, being off topic, flames, etc. A post can be OK, until the members adds the flame at the end. It is more about about civility.

We have people who have abused the report system and because of that are no longer a member of this forum. Also it has backfired. A person insults/flames a member, then when that member responds, they report that member. I try to infract the source and will the respondent pass.

But as you say;


Bottom Point: This is a Private Forum. Members gotta deal with it. The wealth in this forum is the volume of knowledge among the member and the quality of the posts.

So keep that in mind during this election. Keep it civil. Support your candidate with enthusiasm and avoid the mud slinging.

[Createdeemcee]

From casual observation it seems that the GWB hate came from overseas (being relative to the US) while the OB hate comes from within

I STRONGLY disagree with that. Obama Ovewhemingly beat mccain. So we were obviously fed up with practices of the right.

[Dirtydiaper]

This forum was really going downhill fast until October last year. Now'aday it's a shining beacon of joy, laughter and intellectual exchanges in a seemingly dark and empty net.

[Laworkerbee]

I have to admit, I'm really careful about showing anyone Milphoto's, and usually don't let them see the home page, instead taking them directly to whatever it is they want to see. Most of the rants and articles posted under Political Discussions and Rants can be downright embarrassing, it comes off as way too right wing.

Someone visiting this place for the 1st time would never know it is a bastion of homo-eroticism and eclectic users

[J-B]

you had fellow member usa320 openly and seriously advocate why people wonder why he supports the "all blacks back to Africa" movement. :roll: but it is what it is.

That was one of the most bizarre things I've read on these forums. I didn't even know the hell the back to Africa bs was until after reading his post and looking into it a bit.

[shermbodius]

Someone visiting this place for the 1st time would never know it is a bastion of homo-eroticism and eclectic users

and you promised not to tell!!:oops:

[beNder]

My gripe is that most MPnet members are gay. Especially shermbodius and LAWB.

[KoTeMoRe]

I would rather have a person hit the report button than take matters in their own hands by flaming the other member. BTW, you do know for a report to work/infraction issued it takes a mod to agree with it. There are a number of reports where nothing was done. The post is read and the Mod does not feel it is worth acting on, or the the person who reported it over reacted. Disagreement is not a reason to report a post, but some will report a post because they disagree with it.

If you feel some one reported you and that you have received a infraction, all the blame of the infraction is on the Mod.

Like the up coming elections mean spirited comments meant to hurt will earn a members a infraction or more. It is not about one's opinion, though some people will say it was, it is about the insults, being off topic, flames, etc. A post can be OK, until the members adds the flame at the end. It is more about about civility.

We have people who have abused the report system and because of that are no longer a member of this forum. Also it has backfired. A person insults/flames a member, then when that member responds, they report that member. I try to infract the source and will the respondent pass.

But as you say;

The wealth in this forum is the volume of knowledge among the member and the quality of the posts.

So keep that in mind during this election. Keep it civil. Support your candidate with enthusiasm and avoid the mud slinging.

Holl' you know that's not true. The mod's minding his own business. That's why I never understood people that went after the moderation crew.

[Laworkerbee]

My gripe is that most MPnet members are gay. Especially shermbodius and LAWB.

I'm not gay, I'm just fashionable. If I were a PMC every airsofter would want my Banana Republic look.
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k141/laworkerbee/DSC02997.jpg

[Hollis]

Holl' you know that's not true. The mod's minding his own business. That's why I never understood people that went after the moderation crew.

I take full responsibility for any moderation that I have done. I believe all of the other mods do too. Ooops, I may have worded that wrong. Should have been, All the blame for being infraction. I got to get a handle on this Engrish language. :)

[C.Puffs]

I'm not gay, I'm just fashionable. If I were a PMC every airsofter would want my Banana Republic look.
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k141/laworkerbee/DSC02997.jpg

Souldn't you be wearing a hoodie and sunglasses?

[KoTeMoRe]

I take full responsibility for any moderation that I have done. I believe all of the other mods do too. Ooops, I may have worded that wrong. Should have been, All the blame for being infraction. I got to get a handle on this Engrish language. :)

You're scaring me Holl'...

[Laworkerbee]

Souldn't you be wearing a hoodie

Since when are hoodies fashionable? Never, that's when!

[shermbodius]

My gripe is that most MPnet members are gay. Especially shermbodius and LAWB.

Only for you Bender... (sigh)

[Createdeemcee]

I'm not gay, I'm just fashionable. If I were a PMC every airsofter would want my look.
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k141/laworkerbee/DSC02997.jpg

I'm Horney now!!!! lmao. You do pull it off LAWB.

[clean]

Yeah, he somehow makes that tragic ensemble look good.

[Laworkerbee]

Those Lucky jeans make my ass look pretty good as far as I'm concerned.

[clean]

Those Lucky jeans make my ass look pretty good as far as I'm concerned.

They are bordering on high tide. Not quite there, but a tad short.

[Laworkerbee]

They are bordering on high tide. Not quite there, but a tad short.

It's the kneepad and the fact that I'm wearing two belts; one for my pistol since the holster is skinny, the other to hold up my mag pouch on the left.

[clean]

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

[sgt_G]

And......there goes another good thread......

[Spartan10k]

And......there goes another good thread......
Count on B to make a thread gay...;-)

[Laworkerbee]

Count on B to make a thread gay...;-)

Damned Southerners, everything is gay to you people. And G is from Covina, that's like the deep South of Los Angeles.

[CPL Trevoga]

...That being said, what happened to respecting the office of our commander and chief?...
I’m drunk, but this has been bugging me for a bit.

This thread is disturbing. It's not gay, as sweet Georgia peach wants it to be, but disturbing. It's the proof of decline of moral fabric of our society.
Most hot blooded males either want to fight or get some ****'n'ass when drunk and not think about "fools dissin' da Prez." In case of LAWB, he wants to dress well when under the influence.... There, I said it.

[Spartan10k]

Damned Southerners, everything is gay to you people. And G is from Covina, that's like the deep South of Los Angeles.
Lol. When you comin down to the Atl?

[sgt_G]

Damned Southerners, everything is gay to you people. And G is from Covina, that's like the deep South of Los Angeles.

More like the last holdout of the ghetto.......

[SkyUS]

As far as the Racist angle that someone pointed out, I do think that in regards to Obama, I don't see too many red flags, in-regards to this section, but I know in the off-topic sometimes it can get a little overboard. As soon as somebody black does something retarded, It turns into a pile on, who can type the "ghetto-est" Ebonics, take em off welfare, and even not to long ago, you had fellow member usa320 openly and seriously advocate why people wonder why he supports the "all blacks back to Africa" movement. :roll: but it is what it is.

That's exactly what I am talking about.

I also always wonder why this issue or these members aren't addressed by the mods.

[sgt_G]

and even not to long ago, you had fellow member usa320 openly and seriously advocate why people wonder why he supports the "all blacks back to Africa" movement. :roll: but it is what it is.

I thought USA320 was black?????

[shermbodius]

I thought USA320 was black?????


roflroflrofl

[clean]

I thought USA320 was black?????

Maybe he wants free airfare.

[LineDoggie]

I'm not gay, I'm just fashionable. If I were a PMC every airsofter would want my Banana Republic look.
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k141/laworkerbee/DSC02997.jpgLoved you in the original Battlestar Galactica, Face man

[Toddy1]

I'm not gay, I'm just fashionable. If I were a PMC every airsofter would want my Banana Republic look.
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k141/laworkerbee/DSC02997.jpg

It's a good thing smoking kills, because you shoot like a bitch :)

[Sloppy Joe2]

Having now come back, I'm surprised this thread went as well as it did.

Of course LAWB gets it derailed with a mix of guns and popped collars. :D
BTW, hot...


This thread is disturbing. It's not gay, as sweet Georgia peach wants it to be, but disturbing. It's the proof of decline of moral fabric of our society.
Most hot blooded males either want to fight or get some ****'n'ass when drunk and not think about "fools dissin' da Prez." In case of LAWB, he wants to dress well when under the influence.... There, I said it. Dude, I'm a social recluse. Put me in a Hooters and I'm thinking about how unhappy my waitress looks. Now that I think about it, there may be something to what you are saying.

[clean]

Dude, I'm a social recluse. Put me in a Hooters and I'm thinking about how unhappy my waitress looks. Now that I think about it, there may be something to what you are saying.
Post reported.

[Toddy1]

....LAWB....popped collars....BTW, hot...



Post reported as well. Who the **** do you think you are man, there is only one kimmy on mpnet

[California Joe]

I will ban all of you.

[FlintHillBilly]

I will ban all of you.

I dare you!

[Toddy1]

I dare you to start with willytee

[Maximmmm]

I will ban all of you.

Has there ever been a mod civil war? Now that would be quite the scariest thing on earth.

[FlintHillBilly]

I dare you to start with willytee

I say, start with you. Toddy!

He doesn't have it in him to ban us all.

He's a nice guy with a soft heart who portrays himself as a butt face. He doesn't fool me. p-). He's the type of guy to give you the shirt off his back after you show up at his door step shirtless unkept and cold trying to sell him candy for 5 dollars a bar.

[C.Puffs]

He doesn't have it in him to ban us all.

He's a nice guy with a soft heart who portrays himself as a butt face. p-)

Dude, I think you need to borrow Bee's knee-pads. I mean, knee-pad as he seems to have worn one out. p-)

[FlintHillBilly]

Dude, I think you need to borrow Bee's knee-pads. I mean, knee-pad as he seems to have worn one out. p-)

A new concept, one rug burned knee? I mean one knee protected from the hard concrete... Must be the new thing over there in his parts. p-)

[Toddy1]

Hey willy we have been saved by the timely arrival of coco puffs :)

[Toddy1]

Has there ever been a mod civil war? Now that would be quite the scariest thing on earth.
It'd be like the civil war in heaven, between Michael and Lucifer - make for an awesome movie though :)

[Laworkerbee]

Dude, I think you need to borrow Bee's knee-pads. I mean, knee-pad as he seems to have worn one out. p-)

I only use it on my supported side, noob.


Has there ever been a mod civil war? Now that would be quite the scariest thing on earth.


When the 12th Imam comes, Insh'Allah.

[clean]

Weird how we are all a happy dysfunctional family.

[JKD]

Has there ever been a mod civil war? Now that would be quite the scariest thing on earth.

http://www.youtube.com/v/PMj3e4_XoOA


And on-topic, well said, Sloppy Joe. A little civility never killed anybody.

[California Joe]

I would not f*ck with any of the other Mods. Heart breakers and life takers.

Especially Farmgirl.

[clean]

I get infracted every time I f*ck with a mod. So... I don't do it.

[Toddy1]

No, you get infracted every time you f*ck a mod, need to lift your game old man

[clean]

No, you get infracted every time you f*ck a mod, need to lift your game old man

I'm so flaming you. At some point. Maybe soon.


Well, after my nap.

[Hollis]

I dare you!

Are you volunteering?

[JUNKHO]

you know you want to!

[Sloppy Joe2]

Post reported. What is a nice pair of bosoms if not accompanied by a smile?
Perhaps I overthink the hooters-girl-customer relationship.


I would not f*ck with any of the other Mods. Heart breakers and life takers.

Especially Farmgirl. No wonder WB doesn't post here more often, probably locked in a closet or torture chamber.

Bunch of trouble makers in this thread.

[Kaplanr]

Must be our practical approach in the Northeast. When i was growing up in NY, you didn't want to fight anybody, you wanted beat them up, kick the shlt out of them, but not to just fight. I guess we had clearer goals and objectives. I get to PA and all I hear is "I want to fight him", "they want to fight us" it's so queer. Boom boom, kncok 'em down, go about your business.


This thread is disturbing. It's not gay, as sweet Georgia peach wants it to be, but disturbing. It's the proof of decline of moral fabric of our society.
Most hot blooded males either want to fight or get some ****'n'ass when drunk and not think about "fools dissin' da Prez." In case of LAWB, he wants to dress well when under the influence.... There, I said it.

[Zorro C9]

I STRONGLY disagree with that. Obama Ovewhemingly beat mccain. So we were obviously fed up with practices of the right.

I strongly disagree with your lack of reading comprehension.

[IconOfEvi]

Didn't we already have a thread on something like this subject not too long ago?

Maybe I'll dig up my responses then if I can find it

[AfterEight]

Then again the race-card or the political correctness card can also get played preemptively by the other side.

Labeling criticism as playing the race card or being overly political correct.

Good point

[CPL Trevoga]

Must be our practical approach in the Northeast. When i was growing up in NY, you didn't want to fight anybody, you wanted beat them up, kick the shlt out of them, but not to just fight. I guess we had clearer goals and objectives. I get to PA and all I hear is "I want to fight him", "they want to fight us" it's so queer. Boom boom, kncok 'em down, go about your business.

That's because you lived in da hood. You hoods always knifing and popin' fools for nothing or drugs. Not much moral fabric there to begin with. Good to hear you escaped to PA. I escaped to NJ, now I live with rich white people and it's nice.

[Euroamerican]

There will always be people disrespecting the President. But not many people do this right in his face. There have been unprecedented disrespectful acts by public figures right in this President's face. From Bill O'Reilly interrupting Obama 48 times in a 15 mins interview, to Joe Wilson, to Arizona Governor sticking a finger in his face. This is unprecedented.

We always smile and talk nice in front of our Presidents, and talk **** about them behind their backs. But this is changing.

But then again, Bill O'Reilly interrupts everybody... Even himself. It's pretty hard to listen to anymore.

[smileys]

i always call the president for Obama and not other nicknames. ;)

[shermbodius]

There are a lot of names for Obama,
Zero
Obummer
Bam Bam
Ordie
and so forth....






:)

[Createdeemcee]

There are a lot of names for Obama,
Zero
Obummer
Bam Bam
Ordie
and so forth....


LMFAO!!!! Thats Funny Sherm.

[C.Puffs]

There are a lot of names for Obama,
Zero
Obummer
Bam Bam
Ordie
and so forth....






:)

One Big Ass Mistake America.

[Climber]

i always call the president for Obama and not other nicknames. ;)

Do you call him often?

[CPL Trevoga]

lmfao!!!! Thats funny sherm.


lol@ur avatar.

[Createdeemcee]

One Big Ass Mistake America.

One I'll be willing to make again and again over the rivals!!!!


lol@ur avatar.


It causes a stir sometimes.

[Fargin]

Dubya was used by both sides right?

[Euroamerican]

There are a lot of names for Obama,
Zero
Obummer
Bam Bam
Ordie
and so forth....
:)

Don't forget the following I have heard:

The Annointed One
Dear Leader
Barrack Hussein Obama, Peace be upon Him
Odrama
Odouche
NoBama

... Just to be clear: I respect the Office of the President. I don't respect this man.

[IconOfEvi]

No one mentioned Obabo yet?