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09-07-2004, 05:13 PM
MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) (http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/07/russia.video/index.html) -- Russian television broadcast a dramatic video Tuesday that apparently was shot by terrorists inside the school gymnasium where more than 335 people were killed last week. (Working video link (http://premium.cnn.com/pr/video/meta/world/2004/09/07/vo.hostage.inside.ntv.np.smil))

The video, distributed by Russian NTV, showed streaks of blood across the gymnasium floor, as if a body had been dragged.

Two basketball hoops were filled with explosives, the video revealed, and a wire had been run between the two nets.

Hundreds of people could be seen sitting on the floor as the gym was being wired by the terrorists. Several hostage-takers sat on a couch as others worked with the explosives.

Authorities have said at least 335 hostages were killed when a standoff between troops and the hostage-takers came to a bloody end, with terrorists setting off bombs in the gymnasium where most of the hostages were held and shooting those who tried to flee.

Scores of children were among the hostages who died in the massacre.

The hostage-taking incident began Wednesday when terrorists seized the school in Beslan, a town in North Ossetia, a small southern republic in the middle of the Caucasus -- long regarded as an ethnic powder keg.

On Tuesday, tens of thousands of stunned, sad and angry Russians staged a somber demonstration in the nation's capital, protesting and mourning the massacre.

Organized by Russia's powerful trade unions, a sea of demonstrators waved signs and listened to speakers outside the Kremlin and just off Red Square. The gathering appeared to some observers to be one of the largest ever held there.

Demonstrators held up signs and waved banners saying "Down with terrorism," "Bring the killers to justice," "Russia will not be brought to her knees" and "Putin we are with you."

The support for Russian President Vladimir Putin, however, is not widespread at all in Beslan.

There, grieving parents want to know why the government let the hostage crisis unravel into an unprecedented terrorist incident.

Along with North Ossetia, the Caucasus includes the regions of Ingushetia, Dagestan and Chechnya -- where separatists have been battling Russian troops.

Even though Chechen rebels are believed to be behind the terror, Russian authorities believe the terrorists were part of an international band. Officials have said 10 of the terrorists were from Arab countries.

Meanwhile, Putin is defending his government's decision to storm the school, saying the hostage-holders had begun shooting children out of boredom.

The Russian president also justified the rescue operation, although he conceded that it took time to mobilize it. He said Russian special forces stormed the school knowing they themselves were likely to be killed.

Putin said the Chechen separatists were trying to ignite ethnic tensions in the former Soviet Union and it could have severe repercussions. He said the terrorists' goal was to ignite conflict between two local ethnic groups, the Ingush and the Ossetians.

On Monday, Putin said that mid-level officials in the U.S. government were undermining his country's war on terrorism by contacting Chechen separatists, whom he compared to al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

Asked about Putin's comment, U.S. State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said: "There have not been any recent meetings between department officials and Chechen political figures, separatists or political figures.

"The United States has met with people from Chechnya who had differing points of view, including points of view that differ from the Russian government. But we don't meet with terrorists. We don't meet with people who are involved in violence or fomenting violence."

He was speaking to a group of Western foreign policy experts.

A few weeks ago the United States granted asylum to Ilias Akhmadov, the "foreign minister" of the Chechen separatist movement.

While qualifying his remarks by calling President Bush friendly and decent, Putin had pointed remarks for the administration.

He said each time Russia complained to the Bush administration about meetings held between U.S. officials and Chechen separatist representatives, the U.S. response has been "we'll get back to you" or "we reserve the right to talk with anyone we want."

Putin blamed what he called a "Cold War mentality" on the part of some U.S. officials, but likened their demands that Russia negotiate with the Chechen separatists to the United States talking to al Qaeda. (Full story)

These are not "freedom fighters," Putin said. "Would you talk with Osama bin Laden?" he asked.

"Osama bin Laden attacked the United States saying he was doing it because of polices in the Middle East," Putin said. "Do you call him a freedom fighter?"

Also Monday, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon met in Israel with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and agreed to bolster anti-terror activities.

Such work would "enhance bilateral intelligence, operational and humanitarian coordination and cooperation," a news release from the Israeli prime minister's office said.

Sharon said Israelis "understand better than any other what Russia is going through," a reference to the Palestinian terrorist attacks Israel endures.

"Israel knows too well the scenes of security forces and medical personnel carrying wounded people and victims of all ages on their shoulders," Sharon said, according to the news release.

Shows of solidarity with the Russians have spread across the globe.

United States has sent two C-130 cargo planes loaded with medical supplies from Ramstein Air Force base in Germany to Beslan to aid the victims of the siege. Pentagon officials say another flight was scheduled for Tuesday.

The State Department also issued an alert to American citizens traveling or living in Russia, saying that the potential for terrorist actions is high, and citing the recent terror attacks linked to the "ongoing hostilities in Chechnya."
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F***ing lame...

Nizark
09-07-2004, 05:38 PM
How in the fock did this tape get out? I can think of only three ways

1) Whomever taped it, escaped and was able to send it into the tv station

2) One of the police/military/investigators found it near the dead hostages/terrorists and decided to give it or sell it to the tv station

3) The scene was/is not secure and some reporter or civilian was able to freely walk around, pick it up and send it in.

But with the video taping of the assult, it shows yet another sign of al qaeda involvement

Fee Fi Fo Fum
09-07-2004, 05:40 PM
i seen this on the news before, terrible stuff :(

RomanS
09-07-2004, 05:40 PM
Nuke CHechnya

ShadowNeo
09-07-2004, 05:43 PM
Just makes you feel more sick and angry :(.

Herrmannek
09-07-2004, 05:51 PM
anyone has working video? this requires real superpass

Abbyy
09-07-2004, 11:56 PM
How in the fock did this tape get out? I can think of only three ways

1) Whomever taped it, escaped and was able to send it into the tv station

2) One of the police/military/investigators found it near the dead hostages/terrorists and decided to give it or sell it to the tv station

3) The scene was/is not secure and some reporter or civilian was able to freely walk around, pick it up and send it in.

But with the video taping of the assult, it shows yet another sign of al qaeda involvement

2 and 3 both possible.

One?
09-08-2004, 12:33 AM
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/532/

PsihoKeke
09-08-2004, 01:33 AM
Nuke CHechnya

You know, there are Russian troops in Checnya, you wan't to frag them too?

Sergei
09-08-2004, 03:34 AM
Nuke CHechnya

That's a bit too harsh and needless. But I really like the Israeli tactics, they have a good intelligence and know who the perpetretors are most of the time. Good intelligence is the key to fighting terrorism.
The other good thing is to make terror missions such as this unattractive to the future terrorists. How? That is the way for FSB to figure out. A border with Georgia has to be sealed completely, otherwise this arab and chechen scum will keep pouring inside the country.

mack pl
09-08-2004, 03:42 AM
That's a bit too harsh and needless. But I really like the Israeli tactics, they have a good intelligence and know who the perpetretors are most of the time. Good intelligence is the key to fighting terrorism.
The other good thing is to make terror missions such as this unattractive to the future terrorists. How? That is the way for FSB to figure out. A border with Georgia has to be sealed completely, otherwise this arab and chechen scum will keep pouring inside the country.

Chechnya-mountains, urban areas
Palestine-desert, urban areas

so, Chechnya is more difficult for military operations I guess(like A-stan, but in smaller scale of course)...

regards

ikurinturbiini
09-08-2004, 04:08 AM
Nuke CHechnya

That's a bit too harsh and needless. But I really like the Israeli tactics, they have a good intelligence and know who the perpetretors are most of the time. Good intelligence is the key to fighting terrorism.
The other good thing is to make terror missions such as this unattractive to the future terrorists. How? That is the way for FSB to figure out. A border with Georgia has to be sealed completely, otherwise this arab and chechen scum will keep pouring inside the country.

Yeah, what the hell happened to Soviet-style border control? That was the only good thing to come from ComBloc. Keeping others out and themselves in. Shouldn't be that hard to re-establish secure borders. Manpower shouldn't be a problem, I'm sure Russia has good people. Funding should be given priority, that would be money well spent.

Someone should tell Putin that this is no way to run a police state!