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XASA
09-09-2004, 09:16 AM
Analysis
U.S. Troops' Death Rate Rising in Iraq

By Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 9, 2004; Page A01

With the latest spike in violence in Baghdad, more U.S. troops have died since the turnover of power to an interim Iraqi government at the end of June than were killed during the U.S.-led invasion of the country in the spring of 2003.

A total of 148 U.S. military personnel have been killed since the partial transfer of sovereignty on June 28, compared with 138 who died in March and April of 2003, Pentagon figures show.

That trend is a grim indication that, 18 months after the invasion, the fighting appears to be intensifying rather than waning. While attention has been focused largely on standoffs in Najaf and other well-publicized hotspots, an analysis of the figures shows the U.S. military has taken more casualties elsewhere, including the deaths of about 44 troops in the western province of Anbar and 10 others in the city of Samarra.

The wide geographic dispersion of the violence reflects the strength of a resurgent opposition and also frames the challenge U.S. commanders face in the coming months as the United States seeks to hold an election to establish a new Iraqi government, said military officers and defense analysts.

"The 'peace' has been bloodier than the war," said Capt. Russell Burgos, an Army reservist who recently returned from a tour of duty with an aviation regiment in Balad, Iraq. In his view, the U.S. experience in Iraq is coming to resemble Israel's painful 18-year occupation of parts of southern Lebanon.

Before the war, predictions by even the most skeptical Bush administration critics did not include scenarios of escalating violence this long after the invasion, or of the U.S. military issuing a news release such as the one it sent out Tuesday morning, headlined "Fighting Continues in Eastern Baghdad." In addition, several cities near Baghdad have slipped from U.S. control in recent months and have become "no-go zones" for U.S. troops.

"No one that I know of, to include the most pessimistic experts, predicted a full-scale insurgency would break out within a couple of months of the overthrow of the old regime," said Steven Metz, a guerrilla warfare expert at the Army War College.

Now, Metz said, "the current situation may be sustained for a very long time."

On Tuesday, as the U.S. military crossed the symbolic 1,000-death mark in Iraq, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld delivered a similarly somber assessment. "It's a tough, difficult business," he said at a Pentagon news conference, predicting more violence in coming months. But he also expressed confidence in the outcome, saying that "the offense [is] being effectively waged."

The recent surge in violence has been especially surprising because in the weeks after the transfer of power there was a phase that, for Iraq, felt to some almost like a lull.

"July was significantly slower" than the violence of the spring, said Maj. Richard Gullick, an Army neurosurgeon in Baghdad. Then August roared back with 65 deaths and more than 1,000 U.S. troops wounded. The pace has worsened this month, with 25 fatalities so far.

The nature of the fighting also has changed. In July, most of the combat losses with identifiable causes were inflicted by planted explosives -- roadside bombs and land mines. But in August, deaths by gunfire and by suicide bombings also became a major cause, indicating that there were more direct confrontations with enemy fighters. "On a gut level, I'd probably agree that IEDs have played less of a role lately with respect to U.S. casualties," Gullick said, referring to improvised explosive devices, or bombs planted along roads.

More than a third of U.S. military deaths last month were in Anbar province, in Iraq's western desert, where the Marine Corps is posted. Underscoring the intensity of the engagements there, the Marines lost more people last month -- 32 -- than the Army did, only the second time that has occurred since the spring 2003 invasion. The nature of the Marine deaths is harder to analyze because the Marines generally do not release information about the specific causes.

Air Force Gen. Richard B. Myers, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, on Tuesday summarized the fighting by noting that there has been a "spike in the casualties" not only of U.S. and Iraqi government forces but also of the insurgents, even as their opposition becomes more sophisticated. "The more aggressive the tactics of the insurgency, the greater their loss of human life," he said. Rumsfeld elaborated on that point, estimating that as many as 2,500 insurgents and criminals were killed in August.

Rumsfeld also said this week that casualties among Iraqi security forces allied with the United States are even heavier than the United States has suffered. "They've lost more Iraqi security people, killed or wounded, in the last two months than the coalition has lost people," Rumsfeld said in an interview with WDAY-AM radio in Fargo, N.D., according to a transcript released by the Pentagon.

Military experts said the latest round of combat is a sign that the U.S. military is engaged in what promises to be a protracted war. But they drew sharply different conclusions about what it means.

"Sadly, the 1,000th military death is but a bookmark on a longer and more painful road," said retired Army Lt. Col. Carlo D'Este, a historian specializing in World War II. As in the Vietnam War, he said, "there is no visible light at the end of the tunnel, nor has the Bush administration articulated a viable exit strategy, without which the war will continue indefinitely -- that is, years."

But retired Army Brig. Gen. David Grange drew a different conclusion. "We are fighting a counter-insurgency," he said, in which there is "no short-term fix." So, he said, the key to victory will be "maintaining the will of the American people."

Spec. Joseph Roche, a 1st Armored Division soldier who recently returned from more than a year in Baghdad, said that the U.S. military's morale in Iraq is high and that troops are performing well. His main worry is whether the American people will stick by the mission as they see more casualties. "My concern, honestly, is the impact this is having on the American people and our ability to be strong in this war."

Researchers Madonna Lebling and Rob Thomason contributed to this report.

OldRecon
09-09-2004, 01:02 PM
Was going to post a long a long rant as answer to this one.
But in short forces in Iraq and backing gowernments have got themselves into a war of will with the locals, from which total victory can be gained only with some truly horrible means, or through re-introduction of conscription in the US to boost manpower up to a proper level for occupation duty in an insurgency intensive environment.

ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
09-09-2004, 02:31 PM
"the offense [is] being effectively waged."


So ahhh how many "truces" with these "terrorists/insurgents/rebels" has happened now?

Trident-za
09-09-2004, 02:33 PM
This article paints a bleak picture. Unfortunately, I can't see anyway that this is going to end within the next 3 or 4 years (at the least). That's not to say I think the military is doing a bad job, just that they face a long, hard slog with no easy way out. I'm amazed that nobody in a "position of power" expected or planned for this.... truly amazed.

ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
09-09-2004, 02:37 PM
good post trident

I'mOnlyHalfPolish
09-09-2004, 02:44 PM
This is interesting, why is anyone surprised by any of this? The US didn't truly think it would waltz into a hotbed in the "Cradle of Civil...no no wait...Cradle of Terrorism/Islamic Fundamentalism, i.e. the Middle East" and just skip right out of there scotfree after the fall of Saddam.....................did................we...........? I remember in my history class we talked about this in 2002 (college class, no I'm not in h.s.) and my professor said if we went to Iraq we should expect to be there a minimum of at least 5-10yrs i.e. a US troop presence in the region "occupying" it in the same fashion we did in Japan. Second to that he said dont be surprised to see the rise of a "draft" for forces to occupy, so looks like us draft-age people should look out cause we're not gonna get paid...my estimate is, that unfortunately the country is gonna slip into civil war, and I have no doubt at all in my mind that this will happen regardless of US intervention or not. Saddam was a piece of sh*t, I just hope that the US hasn't stomped thru a fireant pile. Expect more US troops to die, because unfortunately the insurgents don't have any capability to engage in conventional warfare so expect more I.E.D.'s and partisan style fighting. Just my thoughts...GO USA! Lest we forget the sacrifices of those who won't come back...

von_Moo142
09-09-2004, 02:56 PM
That's not to say I think the military is doing a bad job, just that they face a long, hard slog with no easy way out.

Given the situation it's not easy to see anything else the troops on the ground can do to make things better.


I wonder if it's wise to use airstrikes in COIN, although this is understandable from a force protection POV. I got a similar feeling when I see things like that gun truck conversion in the photo forum: it's not a good sign.



The US didn't truly think it would waltz into a hotbed in the "Cradle of Civil...no no wait...Cradle of Terrorism/Islamic Fundamentalism, i.e. the Middle East" and just skip right out of there scotfree after the fall of Saddam.....................did................we...........?

I wonder about this too. Then I start wondering if those in the whitehouse and pentagon have forgotten the lessons from Vietnam. But that doesn't seem possible, given the massive cost of the mistakes made in that war.

Midav
09-09-2004, 03:05 PM
I wonder about this too. Then I start wondering if those in the whitehouse and pentagon have forgotten the lessons from Vietnam. But that doesn't seem possible, given the massive cost of the mistakes made in that war.

Should read American soldier by Tommy Franks.

He touches up on that more eloquently than I ever could.

von_Moo142
09-09-2004, 03:06 PM
Should read American soldier by Tommy Franks.

Thanks for the info!

Midav
09-09-2004, 03:08 PM
Np and it generally is a good book to read.

I'mOnlyHalfPolish
09-09-2004, 03:25 PM
I love the US, born here, live here, will die here...but in my opinion we are the world's sole surviving "Super Power" some could argue for China, but I digress...Anyways, I think that we're seen as a great powerful nation, as we are, and that comes with a lot of responsibility. However, I think it was very very very cocky and haughty of the US to go to Iraq and defeat Saddam and just kind of turn to the Iraqi's and go "here ya go, now YOU fight for it, ok?" I think that the Iraqi's are too used to living under a boot, too used to being the subjects of a dictator and albeit a brutal one, and are like why should I die for this, Saddam was never gonna kill me individually...? I think we are making great strides, but I think the person who thought this was gonna be a 4 month transition is a damned fool.

Trident-za
09-09-2004, 03:54 PM
James/Argyll/Shrek etc (sorry, don't know who is "current" these days) - some comments? would be good to hear from someone who isn't an armchair-general.

mr.x
09-09-2004, 04:42 PM
I'mOnlyHalfPolish,
In the unlikely event that the draft returns, you are actually drafted, and are sent to Iraq, you will still get paid. Draftees were still paid when that policy existed....

P.S. I'm only one-quarter Polish :D

I'mOnlyHalfPolish
09-09-2004, 04:56 PM
Didn't know they made any money, not that it matters...hey if they wanna draft me go ahead no problem...I just really don't see how the current occupation, peace-keeping or whatever they call it, in Iraq will be successful without more troops (especially in the future) cuz I don't believe everyone is rushing to go or stay there, maybe some but as for the majority, probably not...after a certain point I don't think the govt can require actives to go to combat again and again, and depending on recruitment numbers, a draft might be a real possibility seeing as how the US is involved in other countries as well...

XASA
09-09-2004, 05:00 PM
Could of, would of, should of is of no use now. The genie is out of the bottle. General Shineski sacrificed his career and was retired early because he testified before Congress that we would need more men on the ground than the neo-cons thought were necessary.

A year ago, a Vietnam analogy would have been inappropriate, but does anyone else feel that Iran might be supporting some of the insurgents, especially Sadr like Russia and China supported the North Vietnamese?

The Iran-Iraq border wasn't secured, nor was the Syrian-Iraq border, which allows arms and personnel to cross the border, exactly as when troops and material were infiltrated into South Vietnam from the north, Laos and Cambodia. Have the borders been sealed? I'm afraid we don't have enough men to do so.

The anti-war movement in the States is nothing in comparison to what it was during Vietnam when the war was at its peak; however, we had been in Vietnam for several years before there was any demonstrations against the war. Does anyone think Americans with our short attention span will tolerate five or more years of war even if it is contained at its current level?

There are several areas in Iraq that are in the hands of the insurgents while American troops hunker down in safe zones. That sounds like the old Vietnam firebase policy to me?

We take territory away from the insurgents with loss of life on both sides, then concede the battleground to the enemy as we did in Najaf. So, are we battling for "hearts and minds" or territory?

Our technology is fantastic and our firepower is overwhelming. Will fantastic technology and overwhelming firepower stop the insurgents? It didn't stop the North Vietnamese.

I hope I'm wrong and that our brave men and women will win the day, but IMHO, I feel they were let down by politicians and generals, just as American troops were let down more than 30 years ago.

James
09-09-2004, 05:04 PM
I can't say that I was surprised when I read that (remember the Najaf truce a few weeks ago?) we are fighting the Mehdi Militia in Sadr City, Baghdad now.

I'mOnlyHalfPolish
09-09-2004, 05:20 PM
Well depending on how you look at it, thats about the only way these bastards can kill Americans..."we give up....just kidding....we give up....just kidding...." sh*t, its getting ridiculous all of their promises and truces. Yeah my buddy is a Marine stationed south of Baghdad, last I heard, dunno where he is now, probably seeing a bunch of BS cuz of the Pansey...I mean Mahdi "army" as they like to refer to themselves...I guess the insurgents can only be effective in their partisan style combat hit and run kinda stuff like the Afghans against the Soviets in their war, except the Iraqi's hold their ground slightly longer before running...

DE_Six
09-09-2004, 06:28 PM
Good piece. Thomas E. Ricks is a veteran of the Pentagon press corps. He wrote an excellent book about boot camp and change in the USMC titled Making the Corps.

von_Moo142
09-09-2004, 07:07 PM
General Shineski sacrificed his career and was retired early because he testified before Congress that we would need more men on the ground than the neo-cons thought were necessary.

That's a shame, losing his career for doing his job properly.



A year ago, a Vietnam analogy would have been inappropriate, but does anyone else feel that Iran might be supporting some of the insurgents, especially Sadr like Russia and China supported the North Vietnamese?

It shouldn't suprise people if Iran (or at least groups within Iran) are supporting the uprisings.

As you said, there should have been a plan for closing the borders, especially with Iran. Is this an example of high tech assets (UAVs for example) being considered good enough to do the job?

My understanding of these high tech assets is that they are force multipliers, and absolutly cannot make up for a lack of manpower.



The anti-war movement in the States is nothing in comparison to what it was during Vietnam when the war was at its peak; however, we had been in Vietnam for several years before there was any demonstrations against the war.

In Vietnam, the war was all but lost before the protests started in ernest.



Does anyone think Americans with our short attention span will tolerate five or more years of war even if it is contained at its current level?

It's hard to imagine another two years at the current level. I don't mean this as an insult, if the troops keep dying and the situation in the trouble spots doesn't appear to get better then the public would be right to question the war.



There are several areas in Iraq that are in the hands of the insurgents while American troops hunker down in safe zones. That sounds like the old Vietnam firebase policy to me?


It's difficult to criticise this though, as changing to a more active role would just get more troops killed (at least in the short term). I expect it was difficult to criticise the firebase system too.



Our technology is fantastic and our firepower is overwhelming. Will fantastic technology and overwhelming firepower stop the insurgents? It didn't stop the North Vietnamese.

I think it can even work against you. The use of overwhelming firepower was such an critical mistake in Vietnam. The technology just fools those who are removed from the firepower into thinking that a thousand pound bomb or HE shell is somehow safer now.

KB
09-10-2004, 03:36 PM
Bush needs to frame war objectives and stakes. Iraq isn't the "war", but a theater of the war. Up to this point, the American people haven't been given an overarching message about what's at stake and what constitutes victory. Almost get the impression Bush doesn't trust the American people to handle the truth. The only people sacrificing to this point are members of the uniformed services, both active and Guard/Reserve and their families; DoD is over committed but won't admit it.

Putting a flag decal on the SUV or wearing a lapel pin ain't gonna cut it.
If this is a war, then US needs to be ruthless in prosecuting it. No more Fallujahs or Ar Ramadis.

gbos
09-10-2004, 05:25 PM
Well, I remember last year when the land campaign ended in April all was according to everyone’s expectations. ‘This will be a short war that will last at most a month’. On local TV all military ‘experts’ was agreeing on that. The only one that had a ‘different’ view was a female parliament member that said ‘don’t expect this to end that easily there is going to be an insurgency that will last long’. I remember that I thought ‘WTF is she talking about? Is she brain damaged? It’s already over.’ It seems that after all she was right. Maybe she got some advice from her husband who is a high ranking army officer . Never underestimate a woman :| .

Thinking about the reason this campaign hasn’t achieved the objectives yet I can only think of one reasons. Very few boots on the ground. The numbers of troops in Iraq are very few to control a country the size of Iraq. There are efforts by US to compensate that by using Iraqi forces for controlling some regions but there is a problem with this tactic. US rely on someone else’s willingness. It’s not up to US how well Iraqi forces will perform in this task.

There are also other problems.

- Many ‘tribal’ leaders or wannabe presidents or ministers all driven by their personal agenda.
- Nearby countries that can potentially (or already) help the insurgency.
- Kurds in the north working for an independent state.
- Allies that are getting inpatient.
- US elections and a potential change of policy.

Now as far as willingness goes, there is no doubt that if US chooses to do so it can wipe out Iraq of the face of the earth. But there is a balance in a stress rope between what you can do and what you afford to do without serious implications. The failing to find WMD in Iraq only made that rope thinner.

Regards

Royal
09-10-2004, 06:16 PM
I'll leave my thoughts on whether we should ever have gone in to one side. We're there whether we like it or not.


A year ago, a Vietnam analogy would have been inappropriate, but does anyone else feel that Iran might be supporting some of the insurgents, especially Sadr like Russia and China supported the North Vietnamese?

The Iran-Iraq border wasn't secured, nor was the Syrian-Iraq border, which allows arms and personnel to cross the border, exactly as when troops and material were infiltrated into South Vietnam from the north, Laos and Cambodia. Have the borders been sealed? I'm afraid we don't have enough men to do so.

We don't have and probably never will. The Romans never suceeded in keeping the Scots out of England, or the Germans out of Italy, the US never suceeded in keeping the NVA out of South Vietnam, the Isrealis are failing to secure the Palestinian Authority, then there was the Maginot line. The Berlin wall was a good attempt, but even that didn't work completely. You get the idea.

The only way to secure the border is to make the locals want the border to be secure. To do that we have to not only give them an economy, but a better economy than on the other side of the border. I can't see that happening anytime soon.

In the meantime, we can keep training the HumInters, the linguists, we can maintain our overwatch on the Syrians and Iranians and their proxys and try to train our troops on the ground to keep themselves alive without alienating the locals by trashing their beliefs, their houses and in all too many cases them.