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cold0
09-10-2004, 07:07 AM
Al-Zawahiri: U.S. faltering in Afghanistan


Al-Zawahiri: "Americans are hiding now in trenches and they refuse to come out."


Ayman al-Zawahiri
Nationality: Egyptian


Position: Osama bin Laden's closest adviser


Status: Wanted, $25 million reward


Background: Medical doctor; founder of Egyptian Islamic Jihad; referred to as the "brains of al Qaeda"

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(CNN) -- Osama bin Laden's top lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahiri, appeared in a videotaped message Thursday on the Arabic-language TV news network Al-Jazeera saying southern and eastern Afghanistan are controlled by the mujahedeen, or holy warriors.

He also said mujahedeen fighters in Iraq "turned America's plan upside down."

"The defeat of America in Iraq and Afghanistan has become just a matter of time, with God's help," he said.

"Americans in both countries are between two fires. If they carry on, they will bleed to death -- and if they pull out, they lose everything."

Wearing a white turban and glasses, al-Zawahiri said American forces are hunkered down and afraid to respond to advances of the mujahedeen.

There currently are about 16,000 U.S. troops in Afghanistan conducting daily patrols in remote mountain villages, mostly in the eastern part of the country. There are nearly 140,000 American troops in Iraq.

"East and south Afghanistan is an open battlefield for the mujahedeen, while the liars are hiding in the big capitals," he said, a Kalashnikov assault rifle resting on the wall behind him.

"The Americans are hiding now in trenches and they refuse to come out and meet the mujahedeen, despite the mujahedeen antagonizing them with bombing and shooting and roadblocks around them. Their defense focuses on airstrikes, which wastes America's money in just stirring up sand."

The Pentagon had no official reaction to the comments. But privately, U.S. military officials scoffed at them, saying U.S. forces enjoy freedom of movement throughout Afghanistan and continue offensive operations against al Qaeda and Taliban fighters.

Al-Zawahiri, a 53-year-old Egyptian-born physician, spoke in a studio-like setting.

He did not refer to any dates, but he did mention the Iraqi transitional government. Al-Jazeera's anchor also said he mentioned the Darfur crisis in Sudan. The network said it would release more of the tape later.

Al-Jazeera's anchor said the mujahedeen fighters claimed they had been getting a lot of support in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

The anchor said they claimed that had it not been for the Pakistani army offensive along the border, U.S. forces would have been "driven out a long time ago."

A CIA spokesman said the agency was analyzing the tape to determine "whether it really is new" and what other information it might offer.

U.S. intelligence officials said al-Zawahiri was believed to be in the Afghanistan-Pakistan border area.

The video came almost a year to the day since al Qaeda last released a videotaped message -- and followed the terror group's history of releasing video messages ahead of the anniversary commemorating the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

Last year, on September 10, the group released video of bin Laden walking in a mountainous area with other al Qaeda members, with an audio message from al-Zawahiri calling on the mujahedeen to "attack and devour the Americans and bury them in the graveyard of Iraq."

On September 9, 2002, Al-Jazeera broadcast a videotape from bin Laden, who named the 9/11 hijackers and said, "When you talk about the invasion of New York and Washington, you talk about the men who changed the face of history and went against the traitors."

Al Qaeda has released audiotaped messages over the past year, but it has rarely used video since the 9/11 attacks.

According to senior U.S. intelligence sources, groups of about 600 to 800 Taliban or al Qaeda fighters are able to roam in parts of Afghanistan, primarily in the south and east.

The southeastern portion of Afghanistan is controlled mostly by Pashtun tribes and poses one of the greatest security threats to U.S. forces in the country.

CNN's Nic Robertson, Octavia Nasr and David Ensor contributed to this report.



http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/09/09/zawahiri.tape/index.html

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

For whom the bells toll, time's marching on... lurid SOB!

scm77
09-10-2004, 07:29 AM
USA to Al Zawahiri: You are so ****ed!

priccobe
09-10-2004, 10:16 AM
I've always heard that Iraq wasn't part of the War on Terrorism! Now, even Zawahiri is saying it is! Hasn't he recieved the Democrat's talking points memo yet?

foxtrot023
09-10-2004, 10:28 AM
I've always heard that Iraq wasn't part of the War on Terrorism! Now, even Zawahiri is saying it is! Hasn't he recieved the Democrat's talking points memo yet?

Well, in fairness, Iraq did not began as a war on terrorism per se, it has become one now. Iraq has become a new battlefront as AQ has been sending operatives in there.

And in regards to Zawahiri: I hope he has a close encounter of the 3rd type with a 9mm bullet

KB
09-10-2004, 10:54 AM
Iraq is an AQ magnet.

aartamen
09-10-2004, 11:11 AM
Iraq, Iran, Syria and other ME gov-ts supported and would support anti-American groups. The main idea behind the WMD argument was that Saddam would supply them to AQ, and may be secondary - use them himseld, to strike at US.

obd
09-10-2004, 11:28 AM
Hehe, well in the case of Iraq he may be right. We face an average now of tw ocombat deaths per day which is not politically or militarily sustainable over the long term.

In A-stan it is true that the "Muj" hae increases operations in the south and east. We cannot defeat them while Pakistan gives them support. Sure, P-stan kills them now an again but notice they never use thier full might to accomplish anything more than small raids........P-stan created the Taliban. New recruits come from P-stan. P-stan will never fully abandon them. P-stan will just appease US by killing small numbers and will bide its time until we pull out and then quietly support the rise of Taliban style forces all over again!!!!!! People need to wake up and realize that P-stan is by no means our ally. Sure, Mushareff has a stake in cooperating with us but I ask you this: What is left in P-stan when Mushareff is assasinated??? A nuclear armed Muslum state with a growing religious radical political groups and rampant lawlessness and instability........

I tell you, the only way we could ever win in A-stan is to help India wipe out P-stan and destroy the safe haven and base of the Talibs. That is the only way to solve the problem for real. If we dont do this, we may be able ot miantain the situation as it is for a very long time but we dont want an endless military presence in such a place. We want a real solution.

That solution is total war against Pakistan with the cooperation of India and the understanding that India will repopulate the area with Hindu people's who will aid us in our goals in A-stan and will never give aid and comfort to Talibs.

This will also provide a powerful threat to Iran over the long term and it would improve US influence in the area. Iran would not likely so blatantly develope nuclear warheads if the only buffer between India and Iran was measly little A-stan. We could also enlist Indian forces greatful for our aid in eliminating the hates Paki's in any future war with Iran.......Our two armies could form an unstoppable force against Iran should the need arise.

Dont do this and the only thing that happens is the maintanace of the status que for a time and the likely resiurgance of the Talibs and continued US expenditure of money and blood for no real permanent and lasting results in A-stan.......

These are my humble views. Feel free to debate them.

Midav
09-10-2004, 12:16 PM
And in other news, Al-Zawahiri, coming out of his hiding spot, says the Americans are afraid to come out and fight.

Anyone else find that ironic? rofl

Meph
09-10-2004, 02:32 PM
Let Keith Idema go get him.


yes that is a joke. :roll:

Gatling
09-10-2004, 03:16 PM
I could very well be wrong, but the way I see it ,neither he or Bin Laden are major players in a tactical sense anymore.These type of TV appearance are mainly to impress the average Abdallah , and for "moral' support for the cause,as well as defying specially America.I find it "funny" we don't see {Bin Laden and this guy} the 2 of them together anymore either.

One?
09-10-2004, 04:08 PM
Its been 3 years and he wasnt caught yet...so instead of laughing at him and saying we will get you go get him.

Roktiken
09-10-2004, 06:31 PM
I actually do believe that the US and the coalition is loosing control of Afghanistan, the US isnt putting as much time, money and man power into Afghanistan as it is into Iraq and they are turning a blind eye towards it.

There have been several documentries in the past year here and dozens apon dozens of articles by various military and government sources from the US, Canada, and Britain stating that the US and the Coalition is loosing control of Afghanistan, and that the Taliban is gaining huge ammounts of supporters and money each and every day because they arent being hit on like they were three years ago.

I will not be suprised if a Tet like offensive is staged here within the next 8 months by the Taliban/Mujahdeen and that it is partially sucessfull.

Sir Zach of R.
09-10-2004, 08:25 PM
I actually do believe that the US and the coalition is loosing control of Afghanistan, the US isnt putting as much time, money and man power into Afghanistan as it is into Iraq and they are turning a blind eye towards it.

There have been several documentries in the past year here and dozens apon dozens of articles by various military and government sources from the US, Canada, and Britain stating that the US and the Coalition is loosing control of Afghanistan, and that the Taliban is gaining huge ammounts of supporters and money each and every day because they arent being hit on like they were three years ago.

I will not be suprised if a Tet like offensive is staged here within the next 8 months by the Taliban/Mujahdeen and that it is partially sucessfull.

You obviously don't know that there's also some 20 other countries helping in Afghanistan. In a helluva lot more ways than you think. Australia, England, France, Germany, Poland, Pakistan, Japan, Canada, and several others are major players in A-Stan. Most of the military operations going on right now in A-Stan are clandestine (meaning the employer is not masked but the operation itself is shrouded in mystery.) TF 121 is probably the most well known but there's numerous others that we don't know about.

Sir Zach of R.
09-10-2004, 08:26 PM
I actually do believe that the US and the coalition is loosing control of Afghanistan, the US isnt putting as much time, money and man power into Afghanistan as it is into Iraq and they are turning a blind eye towards it.

There have been several documentries in the past year here and dozens apon dozens of articles by various military and government sources from the US, Canada, and Britain stating that the US and the Coalition is loosing control of Afghanistan, and that the Taliban is gaining huge ammounts of supporters and money each and every day because they arent being hit on like they were three years ago.

I will not be suprised if a Tet like offensive is staged here within the next 8 months by the Taliban/Mujahdeen and that it is partially sucessfull.

btw, are you rooting for the f*cking terrorists, because you sure sound like it. :bash:

usa320
09-10-2004, 09:44 PM
we are definately winning in Afghanistan.

Elections arent far off, and most the people support the moderate government.

Its only a matter of time before we find Zwahiri or Osama, though my gut feeling is Osama is dead.

Brozozo
09-10-2004, 09:51 PM
How can he say that his side is winning the conflict in Afghanistan when he has to hide out in caves in fear of US forces in the same country that he was supreme leader of just three years ago? What a nut.

If he's winning then how come he doesn't come out and make a public announcement in any Afghan city.

ibstolidude
09-10-2004, 11:07 PM
I will not be suprised if a Tet like offensive is staged here within the next 8 months by the Taliban/Mujahdeen and that it is partially sucessfull. - then you have little knowledge of the Taliban style warfare. This will only happen if coordinated by outsiders. They may give a last bomb and run on the local officials before the winter, but that will be it in regards to major "offensives". They will take no land and remain on the fringes (and dead in the center) . At best they will have a few bombings, cheer and scream, run and hide and then get hunted down by both their own people and the coalition - factional warlord fighting is not Taliban reinsugents.

MEGR
09-10-2004, 11:54 PM
Plus tet was a military disaster.

usa320
09-11-2004, 12:19 AM
I WANT THESE BASTARDS DEAD DAMNIT!

:fork: