China 2208

[gooday]

http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-09-13/10950531682208.jpg


http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-09-13/10950535342208.jpg

[Durandal]

What does it do?

[gooday]

What does it do?

attack aircraft carrier :D

[Durandal]

attack aircraft carrier :D

With what?

[Sora]

attack aircraft carrier :D

With what?

Kamikaze style :bash:

[Durandal]

attack aircraft carrier :D

With what?

Kamikaze style :bash:

Uh huh.


So its fast?

Its certainly not stealthy.

[0#256]

Looks like some sort of missile ship!?

[Crazyjack]

What does it do?
Swim
Look hum ... white
Look modern

[J-10]

Looks like some sort of missile ship!?

A art imagine chart painted by a military fan:
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/92339693450.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/96943753920.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/95716354870.jpg

[tooms]

Is it me or chinese's websites are slow ?

[SUREFIRE]

I see the ChiComm are showing off their junk again. *chuckle*

[Sirpad]

http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/95716354870.jpg

reminds me of the red alert 2 opening movie....any chance they shoot those missiles at manhatan? ;)

[QRO?]

attack aircraft carrier :D

With what?

This:
http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/weapon/3m80_2.jpg

"The 3M-80 Moskit anti-ship cruise missile (ASCM), code named SS-N-22 Sunburn by NATO, is considered by many observers to be the most
threatening ship-launched ASCM in service today. The missile's designers have stated openly that the missile was developed to defeat the U.S.
Navy’s Aegis air-defense system."
http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/weapon/3m80.asp

Basically, it's the most credible threat against USN CVBGs. Launching them en masse from a large flotilla of 55 knot low observable FACs by
command link guidance is probably the worst case scenario for the AEGIS system and the associated missile defences.

A handful of those craft won't make much of a difference, but when we are starting to talk about whole squadrons, then they are obviously taken very
seriously.

[aartamen]

Mass production starts in 2208.

[SUREFIRE]

China - the next terrorist state to be dealt with

[J-10]

China - the next terrorist state to be dealt with

u are ill :petting:

[fdt]

attack aircraft carrier :D

With what?On the drawings by "hobbyist" there are pictured:


Ying Ji-8 Anti-Ship Missile (C-801)

NAME
PLA Designation: Ying Ji-8 (YJ-8)
Export Designation: C-801
NATO Codename: CSS-N-4 Sardine

CONTRACTOR
China Hai-Ying Electro-Mechanical Technology Academy (CHETA), also known as the CASIC 3rd Academy

PROGRAMME

The YJ-8 (C-801) (Ying Ji = Eagle Strike) is China's second generation indigenously developed anti-ship missile. Originally developed in response to the PLA's need for small-scale air-launched anti-ship missile in the late 1970s, the YJ-8 was later developed into a missile family comprising variants to be launched from sea, air, land, and underwater.

After eight years of development, the YJ-8 missile passed final design tests in September 1985 directly hitting targets in all six test launches. The final design certificate of this missile was approved in 1987.

The YJ-8K (C-801K) is the air-launch variant of the YJ-8. The missile was first tested on a modified H-5 bomber in the mid-1980s, and was later carried by the PLA Naval Aviation's JH-7 fighter-bombers. The C-801K missiles exported to Iran in the 1990s are reportedly carried by the Iranian Air Force's F-4 Phantom fighters.

The YJ-8I (C-801A) is an improved variant of the YJ-8 missile with an extended range of 80 km. The missile is also fitted with foldable stabilising wings to reduce the size of the launch box. This variant has probably replaced most early version YJ-8 missiles fitted on the PLA Navy's surface combatants.

A variant of the YJ-8 capable of being launched from underwater was revealed by unconfirmed reports. This variant, possibly designated YJ-8 Qian (C-801Q), is said to be carried by the PLA Navy's Type 039 (NATO codename: Song class) diesel-electric submarine. The missile is carried in a specially designed container and launched from the submarine's 553 mm torpedo tubes. Once the container rises to the sea surface, the missile is launched.

LAUNCH PLATFORM

Land-based semi-mobile/mobile launcher
Type 052 (Luhu class) DDG (C-801A), Type 051G (Luda-III class) DDG (C-801A), Type 053H2G (Jiangwei class) FFG (C-801A), Type 053H2 (Jianghu-III class) FFG (C-801), Type 520 (Houjian class) missile craft (C-801A), Type 037-II (Houxin class) missile craft (C-801A)
Type 039 (Song class) SSK (C-801Q), Type 033G (Wuhan class) SSK (C-801)
JH-7 fighter-bomber (C-801K)
VARIANTS

YJ-8 (C-801): Basic variant
YJ-81 (C-801A): Extended range variant
YJ-8K (C-801K): Air-launched variant
YJ-8 Qian (C-801Q): Submarine-launched variant


YJ-81 (C-801A) with foldable wings in land launch test


DESIGN FEATURES

Although the YJ-8 was reported to be related to the French Exocet, it bears little external resemblance to this missile apart from nearly identical length and diameter, and in fact the triple control surfaces of the YJ-8 are rather similar to those found on the U.S. Navy Harpoon missile.

The YJ-8 has a solid rocket engine and a solid rocket propellant booster, with a slim body and ovoid nose. There are four front delta wings, four smaller control surfaces, and four large tail stablising wings. The tail wings are mounted on the rocket booster and will be lost when the booster detaches from the missile body. The front and tail wings are fixed on the YJ-8/C-801, and are folded on the YJ-81/C801A when the missile is in the launcher.

Internally the radar seeker is in the nose with the guidance system (terminal guidance radar), followed by a 165 kg semi-armor-piercing, anti-personnel blast warhead. Behind the warhead is the front instrument compartment. A solid rocket engine occupies middle section of the missile body from the leading edges to the rear edges of the front wings. The main engine's long nozzle is surrounded by the rear instrument compartment. Batteries, radio altimeter, and autopilot are accommodated in the front and rear compartments. Much of the rear of the missile is occupied by a solid propellant booster, which detaches from the missile body after the initial few seconds of the flight.

FLIGHT PROFILE

When the missile is launched, the solid rocket propellant booster accelerate the speed of the missile from 0 to 0.9 Mach in few seconds. After the booster burns out, it detaches from the missile body and the missile's main engine starts working. Controlled by the inertial autopilot system and radio altimeter, the missile flies at a cruising speed of 0.9 Mach and a flight altitude of 20-30 metres.

When entering the terminal phase of flight, the missile switches on its terminal guidance radar to search for the target. Once locking on the target, the missile reduced its flight altitude to 5-7 metres at a distance of few kilometres to the target. When approaching the target, the missile dives to hit the waterline of the ship to make maximum damages.

The air launched variant YJ-8K does not have a solid rocket propellant booster and is shorter than the shipborne YJ-8 in size. The YJ-8K has a slightly longer range (~50 km). After being launched from aircraft, the missile quickly reduces its altitude to 20-30 m and then has a similar flight profile to those of the shipborne variant.

GUIDANCE

As well as its terminal guidance radar, the YJ-8 missile is also equipped with a radio altimeter for use with its autopilot during cruise. The missile's terminal guidance radar with monopulse system possesses high anti-jamming capabilities. The high precision radio altimeter allows the missile to have minimum-altitude flight above the sea, which is normally 20-30 m.

WARHEAD

The missile uses a 165 kg semi-armor-piercing anti-personnel blast warhead which relies on the missile's kinetic energy to pierce the deck of a ship, penetrate into and explode in the ship's interior. During final design flight tests, one missile attacked and sank a target ship with displacement of 10,000 tonnes.

SPECIFICATIONS

Length: 5.814 m
Diameter: 0.36 m
Wingspan: 1.18 m
Launch Weight: 815 kg
Warhead: 165 kg time-delayed semi-armour-piercing high-explosive
Propulsion: One solid rocket engine, one solid booster
Max Speed: Mach 0.9
Max Range: 42 km (YJ-8); 50 km (YJ-8K); 80 km (YJ-81)
Flight Altitude: 20-30 m (flight); 5-7 m (attacking)
Guidance Mode: Inertial and terminal active radar
Single-Shot Hit Probability: 75%

or....


Ying Ji-82 Anti-Ship Missile (C-802)

NAME

PLA Designation: Ying Ji-82 (YJ-82)
Export Designation: C-802
NATO Codename: CSS-N-8 Saccade

CONTRACTOR
China Hai-Ying Electro-Mechanical Technology Academy (CHETA), also known as the CASIC 3rd Academy

PROGRAMME

The Ying Ji-82 (C-802) anti-ship missile was derived from the YJ-8 (C-801) with extended range. The YJ-82 is externally similar to the YJ-8, and has the same solid-propellant rocket booster and guidance system as the YJ-8. The most distinctive difference on the YJ-82 is that it employs a turbojet with paraffin-based fuel to replace the original solid rocket engine. This caused the fuselage to be extended to accommodate the extra fuel. The max range of the missile has also been extended from the original 40 km (or 80 km for YJ-81/C-801A) to 120 km.

The YJ-82 missile is carried by the latest Chinese-made surface combatants including the Type 051B (Luhai class) destroyer and Type 053H3 (Jiangwei class) frigate. Some ships built in earlier years have also been upgraded to carry YJ-82 missiles. Because of its extended range, the YJ-82 missile sometimes has to rely on airborne radar systems carried by helicopters or fixed-wing aircraft to provide target information. Iran reportedly bought about 60 land-launched variant YJ-82 missiles following the 1991 Gulf War.

The air launched variant of the YJ-82 is designated YJ-82K (C-802K). A JH-7 fighter-bomber can carry four missiles. Some unconfirmed reports indicated that there is a 400 km-range land-attack cruise missile (LACM) variant of the YJ-82 fitted with GPS/TERCOM guidance. Although this has never been confirmed, it is certain that the YJ-82 missile does have the potential of being modified into LACM without too much difficulty.

China has also developed the YJ-83 (C-803) anti-ship missile based on the YJ-82 design. Also powered by a turbojet engine, the YJ-83 is said to be supersonic and have an operational range of 250 km. A datalink antenna is fitted on the missile to receive midcourse target information from naval surveillance aircraft and helicopters.

LAUNCH PLATFORM

Land-based semi-mobile/mobile launcher
Type 051B (Luhai class) DDG, Type 053H3 (Jiangwei-II class) FFG
JH-7 fighter-bomber
VARIANTS

YJ-82 (C-802): Basic variant
YJ-82K (C-802K): Air launched variant
YJ-83 (C-803): Extended range supersonic variant

DESIGN FEATURES

The YJ-82 is almost identical to the Yj-8 in appearance apart from a slightly longer fuselage and an air inlet for the turbojet engine. The missile has a slim body and ovoid nose. There are four front delta wings, four smaller control surfaces, and four large tail stablising wings. The tail wings are mounted on the rocket booster and will be lost when the booster detaches from the missile body. The air inlet is located between the main fins under the missile body. The front and tail wings are folded when the missile is in the launcher.

FLIGHT PROFILE

When the missile is launched, the solid rocket propellant booster accelerate the speed of the missile from 0 to 0.9 Mach in few seconds. After the booster burns out, it detaches from the missile body and the missile's turbojet engine starts working. Controlled by the inertial autopilot system and radio altimeter, the missile flies at a cruising speed of 0.9 Mach and a flight altitude of 20-30 metres.

When entering the terminal phase of flight, the missile switches on its terminal guidance radar to search for the target. Once locking on the target, the missile reduced its flight altitude to 5-7 metres at a distance of few kilometres away from the target. The missile may also manuever during the terminal phase to make it a more difficult target for shipborne air defense systems. When approaching the target, the missile dives to hit the waterline of the ship to make maximum damages.

GUIDANCE

As well as its terminal guidance radar, the YJ-8 missile is also equipped with a radio altimeter for use with its autopilot during cruise. The missile's terminal guidance radar with monopulse system possesses high anti-jamming capabilities. The high precision radio altimeter allows the missile to have minimum-altitude flight above the sea, which is normally 20-30 m.

WARHEAD

The missile uses a 165 kg semi-armor-piercing anti-personnel blast warhead which relies on the missile's kinetic energy to pierce the deck of a ship, penetrate into and explode in the ship's interior. In addition, the YJ-82 might have a higher single hit ptobability than the YJ-8/YJ-81.

SPECIFICATIONS

Length: 6.392 m
Diameter: 0.36 m
Wingspan: 1.22 m (unfolded); 0.72 m (folded)
Launch Weight: 715 kg
Warhead: 165 kg time-delayed semi-armour-piercing high-explosive
Propulsion: One turbojet engine, one solid booster
Max Speed: Mach 0.9
Max Range: 120 km
Flight Altitude: 20-30 m (flight); 5-7 m (attacking)
Guidance Mode: Inertial and terminal active radar
Single-Shot Hit Probability: N/A


In brief there are equivalent for early versions of Harpoon and Exocet.

[J-10]

China has also developed the YJ-83 (C-803) anti-ship missile based on the YJ-82 design. Also powered by a turbojet engine, the YJ-83 is said to be supersonic and have an operational range of 250 km. A datalink antenna is fitted on the missile to receive midcourse target information from naval surveillance aircraft and helicopters.


http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/82501168130.jpg
YJ-83 (C-803) on #167 destroyer.

[ShotOver]

China - the next terrorist state to be dealt with

How many times your mum drop you on your head as a child mate?
:|

[QRO?]

On the drawings by "hobbyist" there are pictured:


Ying Ji-8 Anti-Ship Missile (C-801)


Ying Ji-82 Anti-Ship Missile (C-802)

AFAIK there is no public information about the armament, so it's just speculation. If you look at the photos, they don't reveal the size of the missile launch tube. By size and weight it could be 2xMoskit or 4-8xYJ-8/82.

YJ-8/82 aren't much of a threat against a CVBG and in small numbers even a lone CG/DDG has a chance of defending against them.

[SUREFIRE]

China - the next terrorist state to be dealt with

u are ill :petting:yeah, if I am as sick as you are, I too would be proud to be a puppet under Commie totaltarian rule. woot what do they call that from where you come from, a "proud Chinese"? rofl

[b.scheller]

:cantbeli:

wow, you win the noble prize for stupidity and ignorance.

Anyway, why is this going into production in 2208? Why not build it now? Who honestly plans for soo far ahead? :|

[GAFES]

Great pictures. I bet the Chinese Navy will be one of the most powerful on earth in the next 50 years.


btw... ignore stupid comments. They are just jealous ;)

[SUREFIRE]

Great pictures. I bet the Chinese Navy will be one of the most powerful on earth in the next 50 years.


btw... ignore stupid comments. They are just jealous ;)no kidding, except we the United States of America will NOT allow that. rofl rofl

[ronin2172]

Great pictures. I bet the Chinese Navy will be one of the most powerful on earth in the next 50 years.

btw... ignore stupid comments. They are just jealous ;)
that wont be too hard when u consider that most countries a) dont have a navy and b) dont require a powerful navy and c) can't afford a powerful navy

[GAFES]

Great pictures. I bet the Chinese Navy will be one of the most powerful on earth in the next 50 years.


btw... ignore stupid comments. They are just jealous ;)no kidding, except we the United States of America will NOT allow that. rofl rofl



mmmm... and why is that? :|

[Seiyuuki]

...

[aartamen]

mmmm... and why is that? :|

It's US's hobby not to let the commies to dominate anything much less the waterways that are essenital for the global trade.

[germanRussian]

i don't know what you Americans have against Communism.
So many men had to die just because you are against it and think your mission is to defend it.

i will never understand why you invaded north-korea or vietnam.
" es kann euch am arsch vorbeigehen" what happens in other countries.

we don't attack your unhuman death penalties too.

or your national pride.
or your social system.

for me it was,is and will be just one right system
the system these men taught

http://www.kommunistische-partei-deutschlands.de/15-bilder/kma/00.jpg

[fdt]

i don't know what you Americans have against Communism.
So many men had to die just because you are against it and think your mission is to defend it.

i will never understand why you invaded north-korea or vietnam.
" es kann euch am arsch vorbeigehen" what happens in other countries.

we don't attack your unhuman death penalties too.

or your national pride.
or your social system.

for me it was,is and will be just one right system
the system these men taught

http://www.kommunistische-partei-deutschlands.de/15-bilder/kma/00.jpg rofl
http://www.wku.edu/Library/onlinexh/sanders/cartoons/periscope/mao_hitler.jpg

[ronin2172]

i don't know what you Americans have against Communism.
So many men had to die just because you are against it and think your mission is to defend it.

i will never understand why you invaded north-korea or vietnam.
" es kann euch am arsch vorbeigehen" what happens in other countries.

we don't attack your unhuman death penalties too.

or your national pride.
or your social system.

for me it was,is and will be just one right system
the system these men taught

http://www.kommunistische-partei-deutschlands.de/15-bilder/kma/00.jpg

Hey sherlock North Korea invaded South Korea, and the US never invaded vietnam. Last time i checked the USSR also had a death penalty oh yea u forgot about the gulags too huh? And if communist social and human rights practices are sooo great explain cambodia and pol pot and the genocide they perpetrated. In Pol Pot's communist panacea your brilliant thinkers Marx, Lenin,
Trotsky and the rest would have been executed (and ironically by someone like stalin in all likelehood). And while your championing the communist way explain the human rights violations of the cultural revolution and tianamen square, or the fact that North Korea is starving her population in the name of communist pride?

[germanRussian]

pol pot was too radical and you know it.
he stopped to communicate with china because they were too soft for him.
pol pot was a complete idiot :bash:

such people have to be executed

but you didn't understand what i meant:

WHY DON'T YOU TOLERATE COMMUNISM???

all nations in the world tolerate your way of life too.
why don't you tolerate their way of life?

we can also start an anti-american complot and boycott all exports in your country. :lol:

and because you are such bad losers you would send your nuclear weapons. :fork:

too much pride to see other nations like china rising to a world-power

[ronin2172]

pol pot was too radical and you know it.
he stopped to communicate with china because they were too soft for him.
pol pot was a complete idiot :bash:

such people have to be executed

but you didn't understand what i meant:

WHY DON'T YOU TOLERATE COMMUNISM???

all nations in the world tolerate your way of life too.
why don't you tolerate their way of life?

we can also start an anti-american complot and boycott all exports in your country. :lol:

and because you are such bad losers you would send your nuclear weapons. :fork:

too much pride to see other nations like china rising to a world-power
nice to see that u sidestepped the other incidents i brought up...

last time i checked there r no boycotts or blockades or tariffs of china or her exports despite china unfairly undervaluing her currency thereby creating a huge trade imbalance, and despite the fact china continually threatens to invade Taiwan, and despite the fact china has gone back on all of her promises to the people of Hong Kong, and despite the fact China has an abysmal ecological record, and despite the fact china has an atrocious human rights record.....

uhh i hope u mean exports FROM the US (which would be imports) and not to the US

and where/when have we threatened china with nuclear destruction?

and when/how did we lose anything?

please think before u type ..and do a lil bit of research thank you :cantbeli:

[Durandal]

last time i checked there r no boycotts or blockades or tariffs of china or her exports...

Actually, that is not true. There are several bans on certain Chinese exports in the United States. Including anything manufactured by Norinco.

[Durandal]

Tolerate? A) No one wants communism. Its a broken system. You know it, I know it, all the world except Cuba knows it. China knows it, thats why its a corporate totalitarian state now rather than a Maoist one.

[quote]all nations in the world tolerate your way of life too.

Freedom, liberty, free market, democracy and republic...the world WANTS that...except those that want to control and rule over others.


we can also start an anti-american complot and boycott all exports in your country.

Two things happen...A) The world sinks because we are all tied together, financially, with Germany sliding faster than the United States....keep in mind we consume more than we export and a lot of what we export is raw materials.


and because you are such bad losers you would send your nuclear weapons. :fork:

Hehehe your funny.


too much pride to see other nations like china rising to a world-power

Actually, it is not a matter of pride. My main concern is that the Chinese people simply are not a part of the government. Government and corporate greed and corruption is through the roof. I do not trust them. They do not want to play the same game as everyone else but still demand fair treatment. Screw that. They need to increase the value of their dollar, recognize intellectual property rights, and adopt civil liberties.

China is not about communism.

Communism is slavery. History has proven that. It is killed people by the millions. It has deprived nearly half the population of earth of the benefits of a free society. It has ruined economies and cultures.

The list goes on and on.

Yeah, tell me how cool communism is.... ;)

[Seiyuuki]

First, nobody has gotten communism right ever since Plato and I mean NOBODY. Go read The Republics, even though it's a misnomber.

Second, communism in China is nothing more than a farce, there's no ideology in it. Their pursuance of a capitalist market has already seen to that. It is nothing more than a mean for controlling the general populace by a corrupt elite fews.

Keep one thing in mind about the world-power discussion. The U.S. currently has a 11 trillion dollars economy growing at an average rate of 3% a year, that's roughly 330 billion dollars a year. China economic growth is twice that of the U.S., at about 6% a year. The political science and economics department at my university decided to do a little research. Input a few equations and statistics into a spreadsheet to see when the Chinese's economy equal that of the U.S. Each cell of the spreadsheet would represent one year and I gave up reading the numbers after the 100 and something cells. Granted, China will reach that trillion mark, but it was still far behind the U.S.

Back to the topic, potential answer to the 2208 by Lockheed Martin...



Stealth for the Special Forces

Drawing on its experitise in building stealthy aircraft, Lockheed martin hopes to revolutionize naval warfare. At a recent armaments convention, the company revealed its plans for blending the offensive capabilities of an attack helicopter with the mobility of a high-speed surface ship. The resulting Covert High-speed Attack and Reconnaissance Craft (CHARC) would be used in missions by special forces units and by the Navy to protect its vessels from small, armed speedboats and submarines.

A unique feature of CHARC, which is ****ounced "shark," is its ability to change shape. "It is tall enough to withstand high sea states, yet foldable so it can be taken aboard motherships and can operate in very shallow waters," explains a spokeman for the Lockheed Martin Maritime Systems & Sensors Division, which is based in Moorestown, N.J.

The roughly 36-ft.-long craft would ride on a pair of buoyant pods. With the pods drawn inward, CHARC would sit about 14 ft. above the waterline. The height would minimize the jarring shocks that fatigue and sometimes injure crews as they speed over rough seas. Extending the pods outward would would drop the CHARC to within 5 ft. of the surface. By riding low and exhausting the fumes from its twin 3000-hp diesel engines into the water, CHARC could avoid visual, radar and infrared detection as its waterjet propulsion system speeds it along at 60 knots.

Sources familiar with the design say that the passenger area could carry eight members of a Navy SEAL team. Or, the spce could be fitted with electronic reconnaissance devices. Standard armaments would include a nose-mounted machine gun and the same Hellfire missiles fired by helicopters. It would also launch a torpedo. Between missions CHARC would fold up, occupying an area little larger than the inflatable boats currently used by SEAL teams. Assuming the government agrees to funding, tests on an approsimately 10-ft.-long prototype could begin in about four years.

http://www.military.com/pics/SoldierTech_CHARC-1.jpg

[ronin2172]

last time i checked there r no boycotts or blockades or tariffs of china or her exports...

Actually, that is not true. There are several bans on certain Chinese exports in the United States. Including anything manufactured by Norinco.
i stand corrected, i didn't consider military hardware. At the same time it isn't as if the US is holding china hostage economically over communisim or threateing her with destruction

[J-10]

First, nobody has gotten communism right ever since Plato and I mean NOBODY. Go read The Republics, even though it's a misnomber.

Second, communism in China is nothing more than a farce, there's no ideology in it. Their pursuance of a capitalist market has already seen to that. It is nothing more than a mean for controlling the general populace by a corrupt elite fews.

Keep one thing in mind about the world-power discussion. The U.S. currently has a 11 trillion dollars economy growing at an average rate of 3% a year, that's roughly 330 billion dollars a year. China economic growth is twice that of the U.S., at about 6% a year. The political science and economics department at my university decided to do a little research. Input a few equations and statistics into a spreadsheet to see when the Chinese's economy equal that of the U.S. Each cell of the spreadsheet would represent one year and I gave up reading the numbers after the 100 and something cells. Granted, China will reach that trillion mark, but it was still far behind the U.S.


Yeah, there's no ideology propagand to public in China now. CPC mainly focus on economy development. The official media not anti-America. Chinese government cooperate with U.S. on anti-terrior war and N.K. nuclear talk. And I think China will be behind U.S. at least in recent 50 years.

[VorpalDoom]

come 2007, that will all change buddy.

[Seiyuuki]

Yeah, there's no ideology propagand to public in China now. CPC mainly focus on economy development. The official media not anti-America. Chinese government cooperate with U.S. on anti-terrior war and N.K. nuclear talk. And I think China will be behind U.S. at least in recent 50 years.


Second, communism in China is nothing more than a farce, there's no ideology in it. Their pursuance of a capitalist market has already seen to that. It is nothing more than a mean for controlling the general populace by a corrupt elite fews.

Still got to worry about that though.

[VorpalDoom]

well jeez, i was pretty convinced they were a facist government...

[bssr107]

The U.S. currently has a 11 trillion dollars economy growing at an average rate of 3% a year, that's roughly 330 billion dollars a year. China economic growth is twice that of the U.S., at about 6% a year. The political science and economics department at my university decided to do a little research. Input a few equations and statistics into a spreadsheet to see when the Chinese's economy equal that of the U.S. Each cell of the spreadsheet would represent one year and I gave up reading the numbers after the 100 and something cells. Granted, China will reach that trillion mark, but it was still far behind the U.S.





US GDP (in tril $)**Year*************China GDP (in tril $)*******Year
[3% / annum growth]=============[6%/ annum growth]
11**************2003*************************1.4****2003
22**************2027************************* 2.8****2015
44**************2051************************* 5.6****2027
88****************2075**********************11.2**** 2039
176*************2099*************************22.4****2051
********************************************44.8****2063
******************************************* 89.6****2075
*******************************************179.2****2087
*******************************************358.4****2099

They will be about the same size in 2075. Why 100's of cell? Just BS*ting?At the end of this centuary US GDP is half the size of China's.

[GrimmyRX]

How interesting. A man posts something about a military vessel which happens to be Chinese.

Surefire comes in and starts saying political Crap.

Gee... :cantbeli:

Why don't you just keep it within the context of the thread?

[PeoplesPoster]

How interesting. A man posts something about a military vessel which happens to be Chinese.

Surefire comes in and starts saying political Crap.

Gee... :cantbeli:

Why don't you just keep it within the context of the thread?

It's also amusing how all of Surefire's posts are in threads related to China, and how dosent seem to post in anything but provacative trolling ****. Can we ban him yet? Better yet can we ban his IP so that whoever made his gimmick account can be banned too?

[Seiyuuki]

The U.S. currently has a 11 trillion dollars economy growing at an average rate of 3% a year, that's roughly 330 billion dollars a year. China economic growth is twice that of the U.S., at about 6% a year. The political science and economics department at my university decided to do a little research. Input a few equations and statistics into a spreadsheet to see when the Chinese's economy equal that of the U.S. Each cell of the spreadsheet would represent one year and I gave up reading the numbers after the 100 and something cells. Granted, China will reach that trillion mark, but it was still far behind the U.S.





US GDP (in tril $)**Year*************China GDP (in tril $)*******Year
[3% / annum growth]=============[6%/ annum growth]
11**************2003*************************1.4****2003
22**************2027************************* 2.8****2015
44**************2051************************* 5.6****2027
88****************2075**********************11.2**** 2039
176*************2099*************************22.4****2051
********************************************44.8****2063
******************************************* 89.6****2075
*******************************************179.2****2087
*******************************************358.4****2099

They will be about the same size in 2075. Why 100's of cell? Just BS*ting?At the end of this centuary US GDP is half the size of China's.

That's nice, but there's a lot more to an economics equation than simple math.

You need to calculate these data (http://www.bea.gov/bea/dn/dpga.txt) also and that's just a start.

[bssr107]

The U.S. currently has a 11 trillion dollars economy growing at an average rate of 3% a year, that's roughly 330 billion dollars a year. China economic growth is twice that of the U.S., at about 6% a year. The political science and economics department at my university decided to do a little research. Input a few equations and statistics into a spreadsheet to see when the Chinese's economy equal that of the U.S. Each cell of the spreadsheet would represent one year and I gave up reading the numbers after the 100 and something cells. Granted, China will reach that trillion mark, but it was still far behind the U.S.





US GDP (in tril $)**Year*************China GDP (in tril $)*******Year
[3% / annum growth]=============[6%/ annum growth]
11**************2003*************************1.4****2003
22**************2027************************* 2.8****2015
44**************2051************************* 5.6****2027
88****************2075**********************11.2**** 2039
176*************2099*************************22.4****2051
********************************************44.8****2063
******************************************* 89.6****2075
*******************************************179.2****2087
*******************************************358.4****2099

They will be about the same size in 2075. Why 100's of cell? Just BS*ting?At the end of this centuary US GDP is half the size of China's.

That's nice, but there's a lot more to an economics equation than simple math.

Dude, do you know matlab, SAS, GAUSS, STATA, TSP, LIMDEP, ..ect ect? You think you're way above the crowd? Think again.

[The Kop]

The U.S. currently has a 11 trillion dollars economy growing at an average rate of 3% a year, that's roughly 330 billion dollars a year. China economic growth is twice that of the U.S., at about 6% a year. The political science and economics department at my university decided to do a little research. Input a few equations and statistics into a spreadsheet to see when the Chinese's economy equal that of the U.S. Each cell of the spreadsheet would represent one year and I gave up reading the numbers after the 100 and something cells. Granted, China will reach that trillion mark, but it was still far behind the U.S.





US GDP (in tril $)**Year*************China GDP (in tril $)*******Year
[3% / annum growth]=============[6%/ annum growth]
11**************2003*************************1.4****2003
22**************2027************************* 2.8****2015
44**************2051************************* 5.6****2027
88****************2075**********************11.2**** 2039
176*************2099*************************22.4****2051
********************************************44.8****2063
******************************************* 89.6****2075
*******************************************179.2****2087
*******************************************358.4****2099

They will be about the same size in 2075. Why 100's of cell? Just BS*ting?At the end of this centuary US GDP is half the size of China's.

wahahaha.........
you presume china will have 6% p.a. growth forever???
wahahah.............
you must be the best friend of Chinese people, haha........

[bssr107]

wahahaha.........
you presume china will have 6% p.a. growth forever???
wahahah.............
you must be the best friend of Chinese people, haha........

Dude, I'm just following up his assumptions. Check his parent post I'm replying to.
Yea, that's very funny, haha.

[Seiyuuki]

The U.S. currently has a 11 trillion dollars economy growing at an average rate of 3% a year, that's roughly 330 billion dollars a year. China economic growth is twice that of the U.S., at about 6% a year. The political science and economics department at my university decided to do a little research. Input a few equations and statistics into a spreadsheet to see when the Chinese's economy equal that of the U.S. Each cell of the spreadsheet would represent one year and I gave up reading the numbers after the 100 and something cells. Granted, China will reach that trillion mark, but it was still far behind the U.S.





US GDP (in tril $)**Year*************China GDP (in tril $)*******Year
[3% / annum growth]=============[6%/ annum growth]
11**************2003*************************1.4****2003
22**************2027************************* 2.8****2015
44**************2051************************* 5.6****2027
88****************2075**********************11.2**** 2039
176*************2099*************************22.4****2051
********************************************44.8****2063
******************************************* 89.6****2075
*******************************************179.2****2087
*******************************************358.4****2099

They will be about the same size in 2075. Why 100's of cell? Just BS*ting?At the end of this centuary US GDP is half the size of China's.

That's nice, but there's a lot more to an economics equation than simple math.

Dude, do you know matlab, SAS, GAUSS, STATA, TSP, LIMDEP, ..ect ect? You think you're way above the crowd? Think again.

I like your assistance in locating the thread where I said I was above the crowd, that would really help my self esteem and my continuing effort to belittle you.

If you like your math so much, then at least factor in just this one set of data to make your work a little more accurate...

[quote:b44441fa31] T L 2002 2003 II 2003 III 2003 IV 2003 I 2004 II 2004
Table 1.1.1. Percent Change From Preceding Period in Real Gross Domestic Product
[Percent]
10101 01 Gross domestic product 1.9 3.0 4.1 7.4 4.2 4.5 2.8
10101 02 Personal consumption expenditures 3.1 3.3 3.9 5.0 3.6 4.1 1.6
10101 03 Durable goods 6.5 7.4 20.6 16.5 3.9 2.2 0.0
10101 04 Nondurable goods 2.6 3.7 1.6 6.9 5.1 6.7 0.4
10101 05 Services 2.6 2.2 1.8 1.9 2.8 3.3 2.5
10101 06 Gross private domestic investment -2.4 4.4 3.5 22.4 13.9 12.3 17.3
10101 07 Fixed investment -4.9 5.1 10.9 18.0 10.5 4.5 13.0
10101 08 Nonresidential -8.9 3.3 11.8 15.7 11.0 4.2 12.1
10101 09 Structures -17.8 -5.6 14.5 -1.3 7.9 -7.6 7.1
10101 10 Equipment and software -5.5 6.4 11.0 21.7 12.0 8.0 13.6
10101 11 Residential 4.8 8.8 9.1 22.4 9.6 5.0 14.7
10101 12 Change in private inventories -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999
10101 13 Net exports of goods and services -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999
10101 14 Exports -2.3 1.9 -1.6 11.3 17.5 7.3 6.1
10101 15 Goods -4.1 2.2 -0.8 10.1 16.1 9.1 5.0
10101 16 Services 1.8 1.4 -3.4 14.1 20.6 3.4 8.7
10101 17 Imports 3.4 4.4 2.5 2.8 17.1 10.6 14.1
10101 18 Goods 3.7 4.7 5.1 0.0 18.4 12.7 13.6
10101 19 Services 1.9 3.1 -9.4 17.9 11.1 1.2 16.4
10101 20 Government consumption expenditures and gross investment 4.4 2.8 7.2 0.1 1.6 2.5 2.4
10101 21 Federal 7.5 6.6 22.1 -3.3 4.8 7.1 2.7
10101 22 National defense 7.7 9.0 38.4 -7.7 11.6 10.6 1.9
10101 23 Nondefense 7.1 2.4 -3.9 5.8 -7.5 0.2 4.5
10101 24 State and local 2.8 0.7 -0.4 2.2 -0.1 0.0 2.2
Table 1.1.2. Contributions to Percent Change in Real Gross Domestic Product
10102 00 Percent change at annual rate:
10102 01 Gross domestic product 1.9 3.0 4.1 7.4 4.2 4.5 2.8
10102 01 Percentage points at annual rates:
10102 02 Personal consumption expenditures 2.14 2.29 2.72 3.58 2.50 2.90 1.11
10102 03 Durable goods 0.56 0.63 1.64 1.38 0.33 0.19 0.00
10102 04 Nondurable goods 0.51 0.73 0.31 1.38 1.01 1.33 0.09
10102 05 Services 1.08 0.93 0.77 0.83 1.15 1.39 1.02
10102 06 Gross private domestic investment -0.37 0.66 0.54 3.16 2.04 1.86 2.60
10102 07 Fixed investment -0.80 0.76 1.55 2.59 1.57 0.69 1.95
10102 08 Nonresidential -1.02 0.33 1.10 1.50 1.07 0.42 1.18
10102 09 Structures -0.57 -0.15 0.32 -0.03 0.18 -0.19 0.16
10102 10 Equipment and software -0.45 0.48 0.78 1.53 0.89 0.61 1.01
10102 11 Residential 0.22 0.43 0.44 1.09 0.50 0.27 0.77
10102 12 Change in private inventories 0.42 -0.10 -1.01 0.57 0.47 1.17 0.66
10102 13 Net exports of goods and services -0.70 -0.43 -0.50 0.64 -0.66 -0.76 -1.37
10102 14 Exports -0.24 0.18 -0.15 1.02 1.55 0.70 0.60
10102 15 Goods -0.29 0.14 -0.06 0.64 1.00 0.60 0.34
10102 16 Services 0.05 0.04 -0.10 0.39 0.56 0.10 0.25
10102 17 Imports -0.46 -0.61 -0.34 -0.39 -2.22 -1.46 -1.96
10102 18 Goods -0.42 -0.54 -0.58 0.00 -1.96 -1.43 -1.58
10102 19 Services -0.04 -0.07 0.24 -0.39 -0.26 -0.03 -0.38
10102 20 Government consumption expenditures and gross investment 0.79 0.52 1.35 0.03 0.31 0.48 0.45
10102 21 Federal 0.46 0.43 1.40 -0.23 0.33 0.48 0.19
10102 22 National defense 0.30 0.38 1.49 -0.36 0.50 0.47 0.09
10102 23 Nondefense 0.16 0.06 -0.09 0.13 -0.18 0.00 0.10
10102 24 State and local 0.33 0.09 -0.05 0.26 -0.02 0.00 0.26
Table 1.1.3. Real Gross Domestic Product, Quantity Indexes
[Index numbers, 2000=100]
10103 01 Gross domestic product 102.626 105.749 104.792 106.681 107.780 108.969 109.722
10103 02 Personal consumption expenditures 105.698 109.143 108.488 109.828 110.794 111.925 112.365
10103 03 Durable goods 111.150 119.378 118.146 122.733 123.902 124.572 124.569
10103 04 Nondurable goods 104.630 108.481 107.338 109.145 110.517 112.331 112.457
10103 05 Services 105.085 107.418 107.099 107.613 108.346 109.237 109.904
10103 06 Gross private domestic investment 89.928 93.852 90.902 95.616 98.771 101.672 105.802
10103 07 Fixed investment 92.253 96.924 94.902 98.904 101.412 102.529 105.718
10103 08 Nonresidential 87.302 90.157 88.518 91.802 94.235 95.204 97.965
10103 09 Structures 80.346 75.810 76.203 75.955 77.406 75.886 77.203
10103 10 Equipment and software 89.947 95.679 93.235 97.917 100.735 102.699 106.036
10103 11 Residential 105.178 114.392 111.420 117.201 119.916 121.400 125.644
10103 12 Change in private inventories -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999
10103 13 Net exports of goods and services -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999
10103 14 Exports 92.343 94.116 91.813 94.300 98.170 99.924 101.424
10103 15 Goods 90.068 92.018 90.005 92.190 95.694 97.810 99.016
10103 16 Services 97.989 99.330 96.314 99.543 104.310 105.173 107.400
10103 17 Imports 100.585 105.048 103.792 104.522 108.725 111.504 115.233
10103 18 Goods 100.408 105.131 104.329 104.331 108.824 112.116 115.749
10103 19 Services 101.571 104.753 101.283 105.543 108.360 108.675 112.878
10103 20 Government consumption expenditures and gross investment 107.918 110.906 111.251 111.290 111.738 112.443 113.115
10103 21 Federal 111.725 119.140 120.765 119.751 121.154 123.249 124.078
10103 22 National defense 111.972 122.014 124.835 122.368 125.765 128.984 129.585
10103 23 Nondefense 111.284 113.972 113.432 115.050 112.840 112.900 114.140
10103 24 State and local 105.999 106.739 106.432 107.006 106.968 106.965 107.556
Table 1.1.4. Price Indexes for Gross Domestic Product
[Index numbers, 2000=100]
10104 01 Gross domestic product 104.097 106.003 105.780 106.158 106.586 107.314 108.169
10104 02 Personal consumption expenditures 103.548 105.511 105.269 105.689 106.005 106.860 107.693
10104 03 Durable goods 95.475 92.244 92.787 91.757 90.747 90.741 90.726
10104 04 Nondurable goods 102.097 104.154 103.520 104.423 104.564 105.914 107.615
10104 05 Services 106.083 109.237 108.993 109.529 110.266 111.085 111.685
10104 06 Gross private domestic investment 101.221 102.304 101.969 102.276 102.968 103.514 104.615
10104 07 Fixed investment 101.232 102.435 102.085 102.401 103.101 103.618 104.679
10104 08 Nonresidential 98.909 98.546 98.354 98.431 98.729 98.793 99.234
10104 09 Structures 107.908 110.176 109.906 110.255 110.633 111.926 113.718
10104 10 Equipment and software 95.868 94.754 94.585 94.588 94.862 94.611 94.709
10104 11 Residential 107.246 111.951 111.253 112.097 113.675 115.179 117.588
10104 12 Change in private inventories -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999
10104 13 Net exports of goods and services -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999
10104 14 Exports 99.275 101.395 101.160 101.355 102.146 103.565 104.745
10104 15 Goods 98.661 100.640 100.561 100.407 101.438 103.023 104.375
10104 16 Services 100.769 103.219 102.617 103.628 103.865 104.897 105.678
10104 17 Imports 96.326 99.615 98.959 99.606 99.837 102.163 103.733
10104 18 Goods 95.281 98.068 97.325 97.911 98.011 100.355 102.276
10104 19 Services 101.819 107.784 107.604 108.570 109.502 111.718 111.345
10104 20 Government consumption expenditures and gross investment 105.313 108.702 108.299 108.898 109.167 110.522 111.670
10104 21 Federal 105.288 109.081 108.892 109.181 109.447 111.203 112.013
10104 22 National defense 105.488 109.875 109.616 109.917 110.278 111.825 112.795
10104 23 Nondefense 104.932 107.631 107.577 107.838 107.917 110.095 110.581
10104 24 State and local 105.317 108.485 107.959 108.736 109.007 110.131 111.476
Table 1.1.5. Gross Domestic Product
[Billions of dollars]
10105 01 Gross domestic product 10487.0 11004.0 10884.0 11116.7 11270.9 11472.6 11643.1
10105 02 Personal consumption expenditures 7376.1 7760.9 7696.3 7822.5 7914.9 8060.2 8154.9
10105 03 Durable goods 916.2 950.7 946.8 972.7 971.1 976.3 976.2
10105 04 Nondurable goods 2080.1 2200.1 2163.6 2219.2 2250.1 2316.6 2356.4
10105 05 Services 4379.8 4610.1 4585.9 4630.6 4693.6 4767.3 4822.3
10105 06 Gross private domestic investment 1579.2 1665.8 1611.1 1696.6 1758.8 1819.7 1913.1
10105 07 Fixed investment 1568.0 1667.0 1626.4 1700.2 1755.2 1783.5 1857.7
10105 08 Nonresidential 1063.9 1094.7 1072.7 1113.3 1146.3 1158.8 1197.7
10105 09 Structures 271.6 261.6 262.3 262.3 268.2 266.0 274.9
10105 10 Equipment and software 792.4 833.1 810.4 851.1 878.1 892.8 922.8
10105 11 Residential 504.1 572.3 553.8 586.9 609.0 624.6 660.0
10105 12 Change in private inventories 11.2 -1.2 -15.3 -3.7 3.5 36.2 55.4
10105 13 Net exports of goods and services -424.9 -498.1 -497.6 -488.8 -502.8 -546.8 -599.6
10105 14 Exports 1005.0 1046.2 1018.1 1047.7 1099.2 1134.3 1164.5
10105 15 Goods 697.0 726.4 709.8 725.9 761.3 790.3 810.5
10105 16 Services 308.0 319.8 308.3 321.7 337.9 344.1 354.0
10105 17 Imports 1429.9 1544.3 1515.7 1536.4 1602.0 1681.2 1764.1
10105 18 Goods 1189.6 1282.0 1262.6 1270.3 1326.4 1399.2 1472.2
10105 19 Services 240.2 262.3 253.1 266.1 275.6 282.0 291.9
10105 20 Government consumption expenditures and gross investment 1956.6 2075.5 2074.2 2086.4 2100.0 2139.5 2174.6
10105 21 Federal 680.8 752.2 761.1 756.7 767.5 793.3 804.4
10105 22 National defense 437.4 496.4 506.7 498.1 513.6 534.1 541.3
10105 23 Nondefense 243.4 255.7 254.4 258.7 253.9 259.1 263.1
10105 24 State and local 1275.8 1323.3 1313.1 1329.7 1332.6 1346.3 1370.2
Table 1.1.6. Real Gross Domestic Product, Chained Dollars
[Billions of chained (2000) dollars]
10106 01 Gross domestic product 10074.8 10381.3 10287.4 10472.8 10580.7 10697.5 10771.4
10106 02 Personal consumption expenditures 7123.4 7355.6 7311.4 7401.7 7466.8 7543.0 7572.7
10106 03 Durable goods 959.6 1030.6 1020.0 1059.6 1069.7 1075.5 1075.4
10106 04 Nondurable goods 2037.4 2112.4 2090.1 2125.3 2152.0 2187.3 2189.8
10106 05 Services 4128.6 4220.3 4207.7 4227.9 4256.7 4291.7 4317.9
10106 06 Gross private domestic investment 1560.7 1628.8 1577.6 1659.4 1714.1 1764.5 1836.2
10106 07 Fixed investment 1548.9 1627.3 1593.4 1660.6 1702.7 1721.4 1775.0
10106 08 Nonresidential 1075.6 1110.8 1090.6 1131.1 1161.0 1173.0 1207.0
10106 09 Structures 251.6 237.4 238.7 237.9 242.4 237.7 241.8
10106 10 Equipment and software 826.5 879.2 856.7 899.7 925.6 943.7 974.4
10106 11 Residential 470.0 511.2 497.9 523.8 535.9 542.5 561.5
10106 12 Change in private inventories 11.7 -0.8 -17.6 -3.5 8.6 40.0 57.7
10106 13 Net exports of goods and services -472.1 -518.5 -525.2 -508.7 -528.3 -550.1 -588.7
10106 14 Exports 1012.3 1031.8 1006.5 1033.8 1076.2 1095.4 1111.9
10106 15 Goods 706.4 721.7 705.9 723.1 750.6 767.2 776.6
10106 16 Services 305.7 309.9 300.4 310.5 325.4 328.1 335.0
10106 17 Imports 1484.4 1550.3 1531.7 1542.5 1604.5 1645.5 1700.6
10106 18 Goods 1248.5 1307.3 1297.3 1297.3 1353.2 1394.1 1439.3
10106 19 Services 235.9 243.3 235.3 245.2 251.7 252.4 262.2
10106 20 Government consumption expenditures and gross investment 1857.9 1909.4 1915.3 1916.0 1923.7 1935.8 1947.4
10106 21 Federal 646.6 689.6 699.0 693.1 701.2 713.3 718.1
10106 22 National defense 414.6 451.8 462.3 453.1 465.7 477.6 479.9
10106 23 Nondefense 232.0 237.6 236.5 239.9 235.2 235.4 238.0
10106 24 State and local 1211.4 1219.8 1216.3 1222.9 1222.5 1222.4 1229.2
10106 25 Residual 3.7 0.8 5.1 -4.9 -4.7 -5.1 -4.3
Table 1.1.7. Percent Change From Preceding Period in Prices for Gross Domestic Product
[Percent]
10107 01 Gross domestic product 1.7 1.8 1.1 1.4 1.6 2.8 3.2
10107 02 Personal consumption expenditures 1.4 1.9 0.7 1.6 1.2 3.3 3.2
10107 03 Durable goods -2.7 -3.4 -3.8 -4.4 -4.3 0.0 -0.1
10107 04 Nondurable goods 0.6 2.0 -2.2 3.5 0.5 5.3 6.6
10107 05 Services 2.7 3.0 3.1 2.0 2.7 3.0 2.2
10107 06 Gross private domestic investment 0.2 1.1 -0.1 1.2 2.7 2.1 4.3
10107 07 Fixed investment 0.2 1.2 -0.3 1.2 2.8 2.0 4.2
10107 08 Nonresidential -0.8 -0.4 -1.3 0.3 1.2 0.3 1.8
10107 09 Structures 2.4 2.1 0.0 1.3 1.4 4.8 6.6
10107 10 Equipment and software -1.9 -1.2 -1.7 0.0 1.2 -1.1 0.4
10107 11 Residential 2.5 4.4 1.7 3.1 5.8 5.4 8.6
10107 12 Change in private inventories -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999
10107 13 Net exports of goods and services -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999
10107 14 Exports -0.4 2.1 1.0 0.8 3.2 5.7 4.6
10107 15 Goods -0.7 2.0 1.6 -0.6 4.2 6.4 5.4
10107 16 Services 0.4 2.4 -0.6 4.0 0.9 4.0 3.0
10107 17 Imports -1.2 3.4 -4.3 2.6 0.9 9.6 6.3
10107 18 Goods -1.8 2.9 -6.7 2.4 0.4 9.9 7.9
10107 19 Services 1.7 5.9 8.4 3.6 3.5 8.3 -1.3
10107 20 Government consumption expenditures and gross investment 2.7 3.2 -0.5 2.2 1.0 5.1 4.2
10107 21 Federal 3.3 3.6 0.3 1.1 1.0 6.6 2.9
10107 22 National defense 3.4 4.2 -0.3 1.1 1.3 5.7 3.5
10107 23 Nondefense 3.1 2.6 1.4 1.0 0.3 8.3 1.8
10107 24 State and local 2.4 3.0 -1.0 2.9 1.0 4.2 5.0
10107 24 Addendum:
10107 25 Gross national product 1.6 1.8 1.1 1.5 1.6 2.8 3.2
Table 1.1.8. Contributions to Percent Change in the Gross Domestic Product Price Index
10108 00 Percent change at annual rate:
10108 01 Gross domestic product 1.7 1.8 1.1 1.4 1.6 2.8 3.2
10108 01 Percentage points at annual rates:
10108 02 Personal consumption expenditures 1.00 1.33 0.53 1.14 0.85 2.28 2.21
10108 03 Durable goods -0.24 -0.30 -0.33 -0.39 -0.38 0.00 -0.01
10108 04 Nondurable goods 0.11 0.40 -0.45 0.70 0.11 1.04 1.31
10108 05 Services 1.13 1.24 1.31 0.83 1.13 1.24 0.91
10108 06 Gross private domestic investment 0.03 0.16 -0.03 0.17 0.42 0.34 0.69
10108 07 Fixed investment 0.03 0.18 -0.04 0.19 0.42 0.31 0.65
10108 08 Nonresidential -0.08 -0.04 -0.12 0.03 0.12 0.03 0.18
10108 09 Structures 0.07 0.05 0.00 0.03 0.03 0.11 0.15
10108 10 Equipment and software -0.15 -0.09 -0.12 0.00 0.09 -0.08 0.03
10108 11 Residential 0.12 0.22 0.08 0.16 0.30 0.29 0.47
10108 12 Change in private inventories 0.00 -0.02 0.01 -0.02 -0.01 0.02 0.05
10108 13 Net exports of goods and services 0.13 -0.27 0.71 -0.29 0.17 -0.78 -0.46
10108 14 Exports -0.04 0.20 0.09 0.07 0.30 0.54 0.45
10108 15 Goods -0.05 0.13 0.11 -0.04 0.27 0.43 0.36
10108 16 Services 0.01 0.07 -0.02 0.11 0.03 0.12 0.09
10108 17 Imports 0.17 -0.47 0.62 -0.37 -0.13 -1.33 -0.91
10108 18 Goods 0.21 -0.33 0.81 -0.28 -0.05 -1.13 -0.94
10108 19 Services -0.04 -0.13 -0.19 -0.09 -0.08 -0.20 0.03
10108 20 Government consumption expenditures and gross investment 0.49 0.60 -0.11 0.42 0.18 0.93 0.78
10108 21 Federal 0.21 0.24 0.02 0.07 0.06 0.44 0.20
10108 22 National defense 0.14 0.18 -0.02 0.05 0.06 0.26 0.16
10108 23 Nondefense 0.07 0.06 0.03 0.02 0.01 0.18 0.04
10108 24 State and local 0.29 0.36 -0.12 0.35 0.12 0.49 0.58
Table 1.1.9. Implicit Price Deflators for Gross Domestic Product
[Index numbers, 2000=100]
10109 01 Gross domestic product 104.092 105.998 105.799 106.148 106.523 107.246 108.093
10109 02 Personal consumption expenditures 103.547 105.510 105.265 105.685 106.000 106.856 107.688
10109 03 Durable goods 95.475 92.244 92.826 91.799 90.788 90.783 90.768
10109 04 Nondurable goods 102.097 104.153 103.516 104.418 104.560 105.909 107.611
10109 05 Services 106.084 109.237 108.988 109.525 110.263 111.080 111.680
10109 06 Gross private domestic investment 101.186 102.271 102.125 102.240 102.603 103.130 104.191
10109 07 Fixed investment 101.235 102.436 102.074 102.388 103.086 103.603 104.663
10109 08 Nonresidential 98.913 98.547 98.354 98.431 98.728 98.792 99.233
10109 09 Structures 107.923 110.180 109.909 110.249 110.624 111.916 113.709
10109 10 Equipment and software 95.868 94.754 94.587 94.589 94.863 94.611 94.710
10109 11 Residential 107.246 111.952 111.214 112.054 113.630 115.133 117.541
10109 12 Change in private inventories -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999
10109 13 Net exports of goods and services -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999
10109 14 Exports 99.275 101.396 101.149 101.343 102.133 103.550 104.731
10109 15 Goods 98.661 100.640 100.550 100.395 101.425 103.009 104.362
10109 16 Services 100.769 103.219 102.602 103.612 103.849 104.881 105.661
10109 17 Imports 96.326 99.615 98.956 99.607 99.840 102.165 103.735
10109 18 Goods 95.281 98.068 97.327 97.918 98.019 100.363 102.285
10109 19 Services 101.820 107.784 107.582 108.546 109.478 111.692 111.320
10109 20 Government consumption expenditures and gross investment 105.313 108.702 108.297 108.897 109.167 110.523 111.670
10109 21 Federal 105.288 109.082 108.887 109.180 109.449 111.205 112.014
10109 22 National defense 105.489 109.876 109.608 109.917 110.283 111.830 112.800
10109 23 Nondefense 104.932 107.632 107.577 107.839 107.919 110.097 110.583
10109 24 State and local 105.318 108.485 107.958 108.736 109.007 110.130 111.476
10109 24 Addendum:
10109 25 Gross national product 104.082 105.992 105.791 106.146 106.516 107.240 108.087
Table 1.1.10. Percentage Shares of Gross Domestic Product
[Percent]
10110 01 Gross domestic product 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0
10110 02 Personal consumption expenditures 70.3 70.5 70.7 70.4 70.2 70.3 70.0
10110 03 Durable goods 8.7 8.6 8.7 8.7 8.6 8.5 8.4
10110 04 Nondurable goods 19.8 20.0 19.9 20.0 20.0 20.2 20.2
10110 05 Services 41.8 41.9 42.1 41.7 41.6 41.6 41.4
10110 06 Gross private domestic investment 15.1 15.1 14.8 15.3 15.6 15.9 16.4
10110 07 Fixed investment 15.0 15.1 14.9 15.3 15.6 15.5 16.0
10110 08 Nonresidential 10.1 9.9 9.9 10.0 10.2 10.1 10.3
10110 09 Structures 2.6 2.4 2.4 2.4 2.4 2.3 2.4
10110 10 Equipment and software 7.6 7.6 7.4 7.7 7.8 7.8 7.9
10110 11 Residential 4.8 5.2 5.1 5.3 5.4 5.4 5.7
10110 12 Change in private inventories 0.1 0.0 -0.1 0.0 0.0 0.3 0.5
10110 13 Net exports of goods and services -4.1 -4.5 -4.6 -4.4 -4.5 -4.8 -5.1
10110 14 Exports 9.6 9.5 9.4 9.4 9.8 9.9 10.0
10110 15 Goods 6.6 6.6 6.5 6.5 6.8 6.9 7.0
10110 16 Services 2.9 2.9 2.8 2.9 3.0 3.0 3.0
10110 17 Imports 13.6 14.0 13.9 13.8 14.2 14.7 15.2
10110 18 Goods 11.3 11.7 11.6 11.4 11.8 12.2 12.6
10110 19 Services 2.3 2.4 2.3 2.4 2.4 2.5 2.5
10110 20 Government consumption expenditures and gross investment 18.7 18.9 19.1 18.8 18.6 18.6 18.7
10110 21 Federal 6.5 6.8 7.0 6.8 6.8 6.9 6.9
10110 22 National defense 4.2 4.5 4.7 4.5 4.6 4.7 4.6
10110 23 Nondefense 2.3 2.3 2.3 2.3 2.3 2.3 2.3
10110 24 State and local 12.2 12.0 12.1 12.0 11.8 11.7 11.8
Table 1.2.1. Percent Change From Preceding Period in Real Gross Domestic Product by Major Type of Product
[Percent]
10201 01 Gross domestic product 1.9 3.0 4.1 7.4 4.2 4.5 2.8
10201 02 Final sales of domestic product 1.4 3.1 5.2 6.8 3.7 3.3 2.1
10201 03 Change in private inventories -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999
10201 04 Goods 1.2 4.3 4.1 17.7 5.8 8.2 1.8
10201 05 Final sales 0.0 4.7 7.4 15.7 4.3 4.6 -0.2
10201 06 Change in private inventories -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999
10201 07 Durable goods 0.8 5.8 7.9 25.2 11.9 8.7 0.8
10201 08 Final sales -2.6 6.6 16.7 24.4 4.6 4.7 -1.6
10201 09 Change in private inventories\1\ -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999
10201 10 Nondurable goods 1.6 3.2 1.0 11.7 0.9 7.8 2.7
10201 11 Final sales 2.3 3.1 0.3 8.9 4.1 4.4 1.0
10201 12 Change in private inventories\1\ -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999
10201 13 Services\2\ 3.0 2.3 3.6 1.1 3.1 3.0 1.8
10201 14 Structures -2.4 3.0 7.3 13.9 5.4 0.7 12.3
10201 14 Addenda:
10201 15 Motor vehicle output 11.6 4.2 3.0 26.3 2.9 8.8 -19.6
10201 16 Gross domestic product excluding motor vehicle output 1.5 3.0 4.1 6.8 4.2 4.3 3.7
10201 17 Final sales of computers\3\ 8.8 41.0 37.8 93.7 29.0 0.1 -1.1
10201 18 Gross domestic product excluding final sales of computer 1.8 2.8 3.8 6.8 4.0 4.5 2.8
10201 19 Gross domestic purchases excluding final sales of comput 2.3 3.0 4.1 5.9 4.3 5.0 3.8
Table 1.2.2. Contributions to Percent Change in Real Gross Domestic Product by Major Type of Product
10202 00 Percent change at annual rate:
10202 01 Gross domestic product 1.9 3.0 4.1 7.4 4.2 4.5 2.8
10202 01 Percentage points at annual rates:
10202 02 Final sales of domestic product 1.44 3.14 5.11 6.84 3.71 3.32 2.14
10202 03 Change in private inventories 0.42 -0.10 -1.01 0.57 0.47 1.17 0.66
10202 04 Goods 0.41 1.41 1.32 5.45 1.90 2.65 0.61
10202 05 Final sales -0.01 1.51 2.33 4.88 1.42 1.49 -0.05
10202 06 Change in private inventories 0.42 -0.10 -1.01 0.57 0.47 1.17 0.66
10202 07 Durable goods 0.12 0.85 1.13 3.41 1.71 1.28 0.13
10202 08 Final sales -0.41 0.96 2.27 3.34 0.70 0.70 -0.23
10202 09 Change in private inventories\1\ 0.54 -0.11 -1.14 0.08 1.02 0.58 0.36
10202 10 Nondurable goods 0.29 0.56 0.19 2.04 0.18 1.37 0.48
10202 11 Final sales 0.40 0.55 0.06 1.55 0.73 0.79 0.18
10202 12 Change in private inventories\1\ -0.11 0.01 0.13 0.49 -0.54 0.58 0.29
10202 13 Services\2\ 1.69 1.35 2.11 0.67 1.77 1.76 1.03
10202 14 Structures -0.24 0.29 0.67 1.29 0.52 0.07 1.15
10202 14 Addenda:
10202 15 Motor vehicle output 0.39 0.19 0.11 0.84 0.11 0.30 -0.76
10202 16 Gross domestic product excluding motor vehicle output 1.47 2.85 3.99 6.57 4.08 4.18 3.55
10202 17 Final sales of computers\3\ 0.08 0.31 0.28 0.64 0.26 0.00 -0.01
10202 18 Gross domestic product excluding final sales of computer 1.78 2.73 3.82 6.77 3.93 4.48 2.80
Table 1.2.3. Real Gross Domestic Product by Major Type of Product, Quantity Indexes
[Index numbers, 2000=100]
10203 01 Gross domestic product 102.626 105.749 104.792 106.681 107.780 108.969 109.722
10203 02 Final sales of domestic product 103.102 106.346 105.553 107.309 108.290 109.173 109.752
10203 03 Change in private inventories -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999
10203 04 Goods 99.520 103.840 101.606 105.824 107.331 109.477 109.974
10203 05 Final sales 100.824 105.526 103.776 107.623 108.771 109.988 109.939
10203 06 Change in private inventories -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999
10203 07 Durable goods 96.238 101.797 98.662 104.372 107.357 109.632 109.853
10203 08 Final sales 97.510 103.950 101.759 107.457 108.676 109.931 109.481
10203 09 Change in private inventories\1\ -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999
10203 10 Nondurable goods 102.591 105.827 104.359 107.295 107.543 109.586 110.314
10203 11 Final sales 103.825 107.017 105.636 107.900 108.988 110.174 110.457
10203 12 Change in private inventories\1\ -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999
10203 13 Services\2\ 105.389 107.839 107.727 108.018 108.836 109.656 110.145
10203 14 Structures 97.955 100.891 99.340 102.624 103.985 104.164 107.219
10203 14 Addenda:
10203 15 Motor vehicle output 106.338 110.849 107.607 114.069 114.894 117.344 111.120
10203 16 Gross domestic product excluding motor vehicle output 102.497 105.570 104.693 106.422 107.531 108.676 109.669
10203 17 Final sales of computers\3\ 123.817 174.608 160.185 188.982 201.418 201.489 200.950
10203 18 Gross domestic product excluding final sales of computer 102.428 105.248 104.367 106.101 107.136 108.329 109.088
10203 19 Gross domestic purchases excluding final sales of comput 103.118 106.238 105.449 106.979 108.120 109.444 110.470
Table 1.2.4. Price Indexes for Gross Domestic Product by Major Type of Product
[Index numbers, 2000=100]
10204 01 Gross domestic product 104.097 106.003 105.780 106.158 106.586 107.314 108.169
10204 02 Final sales of domestic product 104.100 106.025 105.799 106.179 106.608 107.332 108.179
10204 03 Change in private inventories -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999
10204 04 Goods 100.214 99.533 99.544 99.519 99.533 99.733 100.346
10204 05 Final sales 100.222 99.592 99.595 99.577 99.593 99.778 100.365
10204 06 Change in private inventories -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999
10204 07 Durable goods 96.618 94.128 94.514 93.660 93.086 92.741 92.683
10204 08 Final sales 96.625 94.159 94.532 93.696 93.139 92.791 92.690
10204 09 Change in private inventories\1\ -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999
10204 10 Nondurable goods 103.529 104.499 104.156 104.897 105.469 106.191 107.446
10204 11 Final sales 103.576 104.616 104.266 105.009 105.570 106.259 107.496
10204 12 Change in private inventories\1\ -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999 -999999
10204 13 Services\2\ 105.925 109.124 108.795 109.383 109.971 110.943 111.715
10204 14 Structures 107.355 110.979 110.508 111.126 112.146 113.408 115.673
10204 14 Addenda:
10204 15 Motor vehicle output 97.710 96.462 96.359 96.245 96.048 96.266 96.407
10204 16 Gross domestic product excluding motor vehicle output 104.338 106.372 106.143 106.541 106.995 107.744 108.628
10204 17 Final sales of computers\3\ 63.542 53.457 54.217 52.134 51.321 50.327 50.062
10204 18 Gross domestic product excluding final sales of computer 104.610 106.710 106.466 106.891 107.344 108.106 108.981
Table 1.2.5. Gross Domestic Product by Major Type of Product
[Billions of dollars]
10205 01 Gross domestic product 10487.0 11004.0 10884.0 11116.7 11270.9 11472.6 11643.1
10205 02 Final sales of domestic product 10475.9 11005.3 10899.3 11120.4 11267.4 11436.4 11587.7
10205 03 Change in private inventories 11.2 -1.2 -15.3 -3.7 3.5 36.2 55.4
10205 04 Goods 3439.5 3564.5 3491.4 3632.3 3679.0 3759.7 3799.1
10205 05 Final sales 3428.4 3565.7 3506.7 3636.0 3675.4 3723.4 3743.7
10205 06 Change in private inventories 11.2 -1.2 -15.3 -3.7 3.5 36.2 55.4
10205 07 Durable goods 1570.9 1618.8 1575.9 1652.1 1689.1 1718.4 1720.8
10205 08 Final sales 1557.7 1618.2 1590.9 1665.3 1674.2 1687.2 1678.4
10205 09 Change in private inventories\1\ 13.2 0.6 -15.1 -13.2 14.9 31.2 42.3
10205 10 Nondurable goods 1868.6 1945.7 1915.5 1980.3 1989.9 2041.3 2078.3
10205 11 Final sales 1870.7 1947.5 1915.8 1970.8 2001.3 2036.2 2065.2
10205 12 Change in private inventories\1\ -2.0 -1.8 -0.3 9.5 -11.4 5.0 13.1
10205 13 Services\2\ 6056.8 6384.7 6358.6 6410.3 6493.6 6600.3 6675.9
10205 14 Structures 990.7 1054.8 1034.0 1074.1 1098.4 1112.6 1168.1
10205 14 Addenda:
10205 15 Motor vehicle output 379.2 390.2 378.4 400.6 402.9 412.3 391.1
10205 16 Gross domestic product excluding motor vehicle output 10107.8 10613.8 10505.6 10716.1 10868.0 11060.3 11252.0
10205 17 Final sales of computers\3\ 86.5 102.6 95.9 108.8 114.1 111.9 111.1
10205 18 Gross domestic product excluding final sales of computer 10400.5 10901.4 10788.1 11008.0 11156.8 11360.7 11532.0
Table 1.2.6. Real Gross Domestic Product by Major Type of Product, Chained Dollars
[Billions of chained (2000) dollars]
10206 01 Gross domestic product 10074.8 10381.3 10287.4 10472.8 10580.7 10697.5 10771.4
10206 02 Final sales of domestic product 10063.2 10379.9 10302.5 10473.9 10569.6 10655.8 10712.3
10206 03 Change in private inventories 11.7 -0.8 -17.6 -3.5 8.6 40.0 57.7
10206 04 Residual -0.1 2.2 2.5 2.4 2.5 1.7 1.4
10206 05 Goods 3432.8 3581.8 3504.7 3650.2 3702.2 3776.2 3793.4
10206 06 Final sales 3420.8 3580.3 3521.0 3651.5 3690.4 3731.7 3730.1
10206 07 Change in private inventories 11.7 -0.8 -17.6 -3.5 8.6 40.0 57.7
10206 08 Durable goods 1625.8 1719.7 1666.8 1763.2 1813.7 1852.1 1855.8
10206 09 Final sales 1612.1 1718.6 1682.4 1776.6 1796.8 1817.5 1810.1
10206 10 Change in private inventories\1\ 13.4 0.4 -15.4 -13.5 14.9 31.3 41.8
10206 11 Nondurable goods 1805.6 1862.5 1836.7 1888.4 1892.7 1928.7 1941.5
10206 12 Final sales 1806.1 1861.6 1837.6 1877.0 1895.9 1916.5 1921.4
10206 13 Change in private inventories\1\ -1.5 -1.1 -2.7 9.2 -5.5 9.8 17.4
10206 14 Services\2\ 5718.0 5850.9 5844.8 5860.6 5905.0 5949.5 5976.0
10206 15 Structures 922.8 950.4 935.8 966.8 979.6 981.3 1010.1
10206 16 Residual 3.9 0.5 4.9 -3.9 -6.0 -8.4 -5.4
10206 16 Addenda:
10206 17 Motor vehicle output 388.1 404.6 392.7 416.3 419.3 428.3 405.5
10206 18 Gross domestic product excluding motor vehicle output 9688.0 9978.5 9895.6 10059.0 10163.8 10272.1 10365.9
10206 19 Final sales of computers\3\ 136.1 192.0 176.1 207.8 221.4 221.5 220.9
10206 20 Gross domestic product excluding final sales of computer 9942.7 10216.5 10130.9 10299.3 10399.7 10515.5 10589.2
Table 1.3.1. Percent Change From Preceding Period in Real Gross Value Added by Sector
[Percent]
10301 01 Gross domestic product 1.9 3.0 4.1 7.4 4.2 4.5 2.8
10301 02 Business\1\ 1.8 3.8 5.6 9.3 4.2 5.3 3.2
10301 03 Nonfarm\2\ 1.8 3.8 5.3 9.3 4.6 5.7 3.5
10301 04 Farm 6.5 4.0 52.3 0.5 -30.6 -31.3 -21.3
10301 05 Households and institutions 2.3 -0.3 -2.9 2.4 7.7 3.0 2.7
10301 06 Households 2.3 -0.9 -4.6 3.8 11.4 4.4 3.6
10301 07 Nonprofit institutions serving households\3\ 2.3 0.5 -0.6 0.7 3.0 1.2 1.5
10301 08 General government\4\ 1.7 1.1 1.3 0.4 0.8 0.9 0.1
10301 09 Federal 1.9 2.6 3.5 0.3 -0.3 1.8 -0.7
10301 10 State and local 1.6 0.5 0.3 0.4 1.3 0.5 0.5
Addendum:
10301 11 Gross housing value added 2.6 -1.8 -5.9 1.1 9.4 3.5 2.8
Table 1.3.3. Real Gross Value Added by Sector, Quantity Indexes
[Index numbers, 2000=100]
10303 01 Gross domestic product 102.626 105.749 104.792 106.681 107.780 108.969 109.722
10303 02 Business\1\ 102.144 106.071 104.978 107.327 108.428 109.826 110.695
10303 03 Nonfarm\2\ 102.188 106.115 104.959 107.330 108.550 110.077 111.027
10303 04 Farm 97.716 101.633 106.550 106.684 97.378 88.652 83.502
10303 05 Households and institutions 105.095 104.793 103.804 104.429 106.378 107.156 107.869
10303 06 Households 105.539 104.599 103.098 104.060 106.911 108.056 109.023
10303 07 Nonprofit institutions serving households\3\ 104.511 105.039 104.710 104.900 105.688 105.992 106.379
10303 08 General government\4\ 103.539 104.718 104.692 104.797 105.017 105.247 105.282
10303 09 Federal 102.470 105.174 105.375 105.461 105.385 105.856 105.670
10303 10 State and local 103.983 104.514 104.390 104.504 104.851 104.976 105.108
Addendum:
10303 11 Gross housing value added 105.307 103.364 102.248 102.522 104.862 105.769 106.495
Table 1.3.4. Price Indexes for Gross Value Added by Sector
[Index numbers, 2000=100]
10304 01 Gross domestic product 104.097 106.003 105.780 106.158 106.586 107.314 108.169
10304 02 Business\1\ 102.929 104.226 104.092 104.309 104.594 105.144 106.012
10304 03 Nonfarm\2\ 102.941 104.112 104.040 104.206 104.281 104.795 105.550
10304 04 Farm 101.314 116.649 109.537 115.341 139.298 144.434 160.638
10304 05 Households and institutions 108.488 112.440 111.767 112.798 114.189 115.3

[bssr107]

What for? It would take me hours, if not days. I don't do freebies, especially for a jap.

[Seiyuuki]

What for? It would take me hours, if not days. I don't do freebies, especially for a jap.

What is the matter? Simple math doesn't work as well now? That's just the data for the U.S., you'll also need the data for China too.

Since you resort to name-calling now, I can help. I'm also part Vietnamese, Chinese and Cambodian, but I think adding just gook along with jap would surfice.

[Durandal]

i stand corrected, i didn't consider military hardware. At the same time it isn't as if the US is holding china hostage economically over communisim or threateing her with destruction

All to true. I agree with your stance, I just like to have the facts out there. With that said though, Norinco makes more than just military hardware and the ban, to my knowledge includes everything they make. If I am wrong, please feel free to correct me.

[Durandal]

[Yeah, there's no ideology propagand to public in China now.

You still have propaganda on scale that most nations do not.

Reality: A small town in China begins protesting land grabs (up to as much as 10% depending on the news source you read). As it gets larger, the police step in tear gas everyone, a lot of people are arrested, several die, dozens injured.

What I hear from the Chinese on the board: The town (the entire town) was responsible for kidnapping children from other towns and selling them abroad.

I do a search for the thread, but I am getting a Debug SQL: error every time I do a keyword search.

The point is, the government is no longer communist. I'll agree to that. Sure tis the PRC, you have a red flag with yellow icons, and you still have a communist party leading your nation, but it sold out a long time ago. What you have now are a whole bunch of Enron CEOs leading your country, which is JUST as bad. Sure your economy is going to turn around but at what cost? Totalitarian still but simply a different shade.

[aartamen]

The whole reason China has a whatever economic growth rate is that the US and the rest of the industrial wolrd are buying their economic output. China is severely dependent on that to continue be true in order to sustain the growth.

[Durandal]

The whole reason China has a whatever economic growth rate is that the US and the rest of the industrial wolrd are buying their economic output. China is severely dependent on that to continue be true in order to sustain the growth.

Not really. Think about it. First, not all the world is purchasing good from China. China has a ready made market for their goods.

Their own population.

Imagine a 1940's-50s style marketing and purchasing revolution.

No, CHina is safe there, especially when they simply raise, at that point the value of their dollar to a normal level.

[GrimmyRX]

[quote=Seiyuuki]

What for? It would take me hours, if not days. I don't do freebies, especially for a jap.whats the matter? cant stand the fact their **** is bigger than yours? rofl[/quote

Paging Mr. Surefire. This is... well, ok, WAS a thread about a particular warship made by china.

Yar, tell me, how does your... post (I really hesitate to call it a statement) have ANYTHING to do with the topic of the thread?

[bssr107]

What for? It would take me hours, if not days. I don't do freebies, especially for a jap.whats the matter? cant stand the fact their **** is bigger than yours? rofl

Just ask your sis for better opinion.

[bssr107]

What for? It would take me hours, if not days. I don't do freebies, especially for a jap.

What is the matter? Simple math doesn't work as well now? That's just the data for the U.S., you'll also need the data for China too.

Since you resort to name-calling now, I can help. I'm also part Vietnamese, Chinese and Cambodian, but I think adding just gook along with jap would surfice.

Whatever. Come down from your soap box. Stop lecturing me. I do data mining everyday.

[GrimmyRX]

What for? It would take me hours, if not days. I don't do freebies, especially for a jap.whats the matter? cant stand the fact their **** is bigger than yours? rofl

Paging Mr. Surefire. This is... well, ok, WAS a thread about a particular warship made by china.

Yar, tell me, how does your... post (I really hesitate to call it a statement) have ANYTHING to do with the topic of the thread?

it has NOTHING to do with a particular warship (what the hell? u call that piece of junk warship?). it is aimed to point out and deal with bssr107's shortcomings. heh

Then why the hell is it in this thread? take it else where; make a new thread named "bssr107's Shortcommings and insult him there.

[ezhuang]

Dont dare to touch my country, GI has no return...

mass up with my motherland, we will show u a 1 million times Iraq.

[Redragon]

I don't think China needs to be equal to the US economically to rival it. Look at the Soviet Union, I don't think they even approached the same level but it still was a rival. All China needs is a capable military, large enough that the US would think twice before issuing threats, or large enough so the US would need to consult China before implementing policy, I think that would grant China the status of a rival power.

Also about China dependency of the rest of the world on its economic growth, yah, a substantial amount of its produce is exported. You can tell by just going to Walmart and check the "Made in ..." label. Thats how its vulnerable and thats why I don't think they will risk anything with Taiwan. But also, the US debt is largely finance by the rest of the world.

About communism in China or actually totalitarianism in China (communism is an economic theory). It has a history, the whole Asian region has a history of being ruled by dynasty after dynasty. The people never had a strong voice, it was always ruled by a small group of elite, thats what the region is accustomed to. Before we (the west) start trying to spread this idealogy around the world, we have to look at each place's history and culture to understand it first (talking specifically about Iraq). Anyhow, I think China's transformation into a democracy is only a matter of time. Economy and government are tied together. By granting your economy more freedom, the government will also start to slowly transform.

Just so you know, I'm not pro-Chinese or pro-American. I just don't like it when people make stupid remarks as in the first page. I do think what is worst than a world dominated by Americans is a world dominated by the Chinese (in their current state).

Edit: Isn't China's GDP growth roughly 9% not 6%?

[iflu]

hi durandal, i guess that chinese would like to use those stuffs in groups, which means that they would like to rely on the quantity and the speed(the speed of the ship and the speed of the missile) during war time.

and J-10, be clever and just continue ur good work on introducing china. so far so good.

[Durandal]

hi durandal, i guess that chinese would like to use those stuffs in groups, which means that they would like to rely on the quantity and the speed(the speed of the ship and the speed of the missile) during war time.

Yeah, I sort of gathered that the day it was posted...two weeks ago.

Not too sure how good they will be though in achieving that. They do not appear to be all that stealthy in their design. I seriously doubt they would be very valuable for anything other than anti-shipping.

What I see are a bunch of targets for 688's, Harpoons, and GBUs...no real air defense to speak of...missile sponges.