Journalists' Iraqi captors say France is "enemy of Musl

[seruriermarshal]

Journalists' Iraqi captors say France is "enemy of Muslims"

DUBAI (AFP) - The Islamic Army of Iraq (news - web sites), which is holding two French journalists hostage, said that France is an "enemy of Muslims," in a statement on a website that gave no details on the fate of the captives.


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The statement, carried on http://iaminiraq.tripod.com, cited France with a list of "crimes" that France had allegedly carried out against numerous Muslim countries.


"France has distinguished itself for its war against Islam and Muslims and has committed butchery against the nation," said the statement, whose authenticity could not be verified.


"France's history with Muslims is a black one, blemished by hatred and malice and blood. Its modern history is no less so that in the past," the statement added, calling on the "Islamic nation to unite against its enemies," such as France.


It accused France of "playing a principle role in blocking Muslims from taking power in Algeria after their victory" in 1992 legislative elections.


It said French prisons are "full of Muslims" being held in the name of the fight against terrorism, while denoucing continuing French support for the "Zionist entity" (Israel) and its "war against the symbols of Islam, such as the headscarf" for women.


The French journalists Christian Chesnot and Georges Malbrunot, along with their Syrian driver, were kidnapped on August 20.


The hostage-takers initially demanded that Paris rescind its ban on the wearing of Islamic headscarves and other "conspicuous" religious insignia in state schools, but the law went into effect on September 2 as planned.


After an unprecedented wave of condemnations from the Arab and Muslim worlds, the group seemed set to release the men but for the past week there has been no news.


The statement said "true professionals, be they journalists, doctors or others, who do not carry out any activity of sabotage ... are not the target of the Islamic Army," the statement said.


"We respect those who are on a genuine humanitarian mission ... and are not pursuing missionary or intelligence objectives."


"The Islamic Army has an organism for sharia (Islamic law) to settle such matters by a fatwa (religious decree) in conformity with the Book (the Koran) and Sunna (Islamic tradition). The Islamic Army respects the ulemas (Muslim scholars) of the nation."


The statement accused France of "active participation in starving the Iraqi people for 12 years," an allusion to UN sanctions on the regime of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) after the Gulf War (news - web sites).


And it ridiculed France's refusal to participate in the US-led war on Iraq last year, saying that was calculated to "protect its own interests and and not to please the Iraqis."


The statement allso accused France of "active participation in the (Israeli air) strike against (Iran's) Osirak power plant" in 1981 by "providing sensitive and precise intelligence on the plan to the Zionist enemy."


The statement went on to include a long litany of grievances involving alleged French meddling in the affairs of Syria and Lebanon "to serve the interests of Jews and Zionists," of combating the Arabic lanauge and Islamic law in former colony Tunisia, of seeking to divide Sudan and make Chad a French base.


Morocco and Mauritania were also listed as victims, while France was also accused of "effectively participating in the war in Afghanistan" against Al-Qaeda and the Taliban.





In Paris, the foreign ministry said it was analyzing the statement.

On Monday, French Foreign Minister said that, according to information he had, the hostages were alive and being well treated.


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From (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040914/wl_mideast_afp/iraq_hostages_france&cid=1514&ncid=1473)

[SOG]

::this just in, the muslims piss off the world::

and again statements like this claiming muslims are against this country and that country, all level headed muslims should cut a switch, go outside, and beat the living **** out of anyone holding a AK. they are making terrorist claims in your name!

[One?]

::this just in, the muslims piss off the world::

and again statements like this claiming muslims are against this country and that country, all level headed muslims should cut a switch, go outside, and beat the living **** out of anyone holding a AK. they are making terrorist claims in your name!


and how many muslims around the world demonstrated against the abduction? How many french muslims demonstrated in france? Just because a group of fuktards claim they speak for islam doesnt mean its true!

[Brozozo]

F*cking rag-heads. All that matters is that the west has eclipsed them in every way imaginable. Those motherf*ckers still live in mud huts and ride on camels. If the British didn't stumble upon that sh/t heap a few centuries ago those f*ckers would still be living as they did in 1609, no electricity, no means of communication, no common f*cking sense. What a bunch of miserable motherf*ckers.

[OB Kenobi]

Those motherf*ckers still live in mud huts and ride on camels.

Yes, but they WANT TO do that. Why must everyone be a metro******?

[Lt-Col A. Tack]

...said that France is an "enemy of Muslims," in a statement on a website...

Hey now. That is the exclusive prerogative of the US.

Why do the French need to compete against us for everything. ;)

Not Insulting Anyone. Just trying being to be Funny. :D

[kapt_klutz]

Do you judge all Christians by the ravings of those mad evangelical doomsday ones?

Most Muslims are very humble, peace loving, friendly and reasonable people.

Islamic culture and science used to be very advanced until fundamentalism and political infighting took over. For example they invented telescopes, soap, the compass, the pocket watch etc.

[StarvingStudent47]

Do you judge all Christians by the ravings of those mad evangelical doomsday ones?

Most Muslims are very humble, peace loving, friendly and reasonable people.

Islamic culture and science used to be very advanced until fundamentalism and political infighting took over. For example they invented telescopes, soap, the compass, the pocket watch etc.

Yeah, but this is 2004, not 1095. If it was 1095, I'd live in fear of Frankish aggression and I'd praise Salah al-Din's benevolent and ethical leadership. But it isn't 1095, and it's not Frankish knights who are trying to kill everyone for not being just like them.

[kapt_klutz]

The point is you can see that Islamic culture has the ability for learning, moderation and all those other good things that an 'advanced' culture should contain.

Blanket insults about "ragheads" and "camel jockeys" basically dehumanising all muslims will get you nowhere fast - as coalition forces in Iraq are finding out. Trying to impose there one size fits all democracy on a culture that doesn't necessarily want it, or want it imposed by what is hardly a beacon of the democratic process itself.

Western meddling in the Middle East region has caused most of the problems that lead to the rise of fundamentalism in Islamic countries - leave them to it I say - but that won't be done as our leaders find the oil too appealing.

[StarvingStudent47]

The point is you can see that Islamic culture has the ability for learning, moderation and all those other good things that an 'advanced' culture should contain.
Yeah, but that potential isn't being implemented by the movers and shakers in Muslim society right now. Germany had the potential to be benevolent and multi-cultural in 1941, but that doesn't mean they WERE. Big difference.


Blanket insults about "ragheads" and "camel jockeys" basically dehumanising all muslims will get you nowhere fast
Good thing I never use those terms then, huh?


Western meddling in the Middle East region has caused most of the problems that lead to the rise of fundamentalism in Islamic countries - leave them to it I say - but that won't be done as our leaders find the oil too appealing.
Well, as soon as we invent a time machine, I'll go back to the end of WWI and tell Britain and France to not carve up the Ottoman Empire. Until then, we've got to find other options, no?

[kapt_klutz]

Yeah, but that potential isn't being implemented by the movers and shakers in Muslim society right now. Germany had the potential to be benevolent and multi-cultural in 1941, but that doesn't mean they WERE. Big difference.

I completely agree. Modern Muslim society needs a shake up by some truly righteous Muslim men and women, but trying try force it from the barrel of a westerners gun is the worst way to go about it.


Good thing I never use those terms then, huh?

Sorry, you didn't. It was that other dude.

Not trying to offend - it just pisses me off when people try and tar all muslims with the same brush and throw out blatantly wrong generalisations.

[Kilgor]

Western meddling in the Middle East region has caused most of the problems that lead to the rise of fundamentalism in Islamic countries - leave them to it I say - but that won't be done as our leaders find the oil too appealing.

Considering they get paid for that oil too. What is the middle east ment to export apart from oil, Camels and terrorism ?

Without oil, the middle east would be stuffed economically.

[kapt_klutz]

The kapt_klutz pie in the sky plan for peace in the middle east and the end of terrorism.

- Withdrawn all Coalition forces in Iraq and replace with Arab forces, backed with neutral UN forces if required.
- Ditto for Afghanistan.
- Withdraw all US forces from Saudi Arabia/Kuwait/UAE etc.
- Make Jerusalem an independant city state ruled by a panel of Jewish, Islamic and Christian clerics.
- Recognise fully the state of Palestine and flood it with development aid.
- Cede a lightly populated US state to Israel, encourage emigration of Jews to this state (Israel II!!)
- Everyone take a step back, chill out and smell the roses.

[Kilgor]

So how do you fix situations like in saudi arabia and thailand were muslim extremists are fighting against the government ?

[kapt_klutz]

Considering they get paid for that oil too. What is the middle east ment to export apart from oil, Camels and terrorism ?

Without oil, the middle east would be stuffed economically.

Look at who makes the vast majority of money from that oil - if you can tell me in all seriousness it isn't western oil companies and maybe a handful of royals and flunkies I will happily buy you a pint.

The proceeds of that oil being pumped out of Iraq ain't going to the people of Iraq is it?

[Kilgor]

Opec sets the terms, dont they ?

[StarvingStudent47]

The kapt_klutz pie in the sky plan for peace in the middle east and the end of terrorism.

- Withdrawn all Coalition forces in Iraq and replace with Arab forces, backed with neutral UN forces if required.
- Ditto for Afghanistan.
- Withdraw all US forces from Saudi Arabia/Kuwait/UAE etc.
- Make Jerusalem an independant city state ruled by a panel of Jewish, Islamic and Christian clerics.
- Recognise fully the state of Palestine and flood it with development aid.
- Cede a lightly populated US state to Israel, encourage emigration of Jews to this state (Israel II!!)
- Everyone take a step back, chill out and smell the roses.

Why is it that all these kumbaya "can't we all get along" types always end up saying that Jews don't get to live anywhere but the USA? Not that I mind more Jews in the USA, but I get real ****ing tired of this "Jews don't belong in the Middle East" horse****.

"Can't we all get along? Except for the Jews, throw them in a boat, we'll all get along better if they disappear."

By that reasoning, we could solve rape by just getting rid of women.




Yeah, but that potential isn't being implemented by the movers and shakers in Muslim society right now. Germany had the potential to be benevolent and multi-cultural in 1941, but that doesn't mean they WERE. Big difference.
I completely agree. Modern Muslim society needs a shake up by some truly righteous Muslim men and women, but trying try force it from the barrel of a westerners gun is the worst way to go about it.
As long as you completely agree with my analogy, remind me again--was the Nazi problem fixed by some truly righteous German men and women, or was it fixed from the barrel of an Allied gun?

[Kilgor]

This is the problems of many muslim societies...

"its the west & jews that has caused us so many of our problems, its not our fault !"

In many middle eastern countries like Iran, saudia arabia, syria... the west has nothing or little to do with the internal workings of the government yet some of these countries have the worst human rights records.

Blame the west all you want, but the greatest aggressor to muslims are their own currupt, fascist, fundamentalist and dictatorship style governments that harshly rule over them.

[OB Kenobi]

This is the problems of many muslim societies...

"its the west & jews that has caused us so many of our problems, its not our fault !"

In many middle eastern countries like Iran, saudia arabia, syria... the west has nothing or little to do with the internal workings of the government yet some of these countries have the worst human rights records.

Have you noticed they don't really care about the human rights issues? It's the West that keeps telling them they're not allowed to have four wives and not allowed to cut people's heads off in public.

Don't tell me it's only because of their governments, many of them support this kind of lifestyle, it's part of their religion and has nothing to do with whether they're Democracies or not.

[gilgoul]

The kapt_klutz pie in the sky plan for peace in the middle east and the end of terrorism.

My taxi driver also has one


- Withdrawn all Coalition forces in Iraq and replace with Arab forces, backed with neutral UN forces if required.
- Ditto for Afghanistan..

You mean, arab forces like the Syrian occupation of lebanon? Or the morocan occupation of western Sahara?
What about the Egyuptian "peace keeping " in Yemen in the 60`s?

- Withdraw all US forces from Saudi Arabia/Kuwait/UAE etc..

Why, because Islamic land is dirtied with the presence of "kuffars" ? So you wouldn`t mind if the "christian" world was ridding itself from islamic presence?

- Make Jerusalem an independant city state ruled by a panel of Jewish, Islamic and Christian clerics..
If we make Mecca an attraction parc parc, why not?

- Recognise fully the state of Palestine and flood it with development aid.
Done already

- Cede a lightly populated US state to Israel, encourage emigration of Jews to this state (Israel II!!).
It reminds me of Stalin`s idea of a jewish state, i think it was called Balushistan, did not really make it.
And what about the highlky generous arab world offering to palestinians a piece of "lightly populated" state to the palestinians, and they would call it "palestine one" since there never been a palestine before.
And, with 52 unhabitant per square km, even Irak could be more welcoming than the crowded 274 hab/sqkm that offers israel.
And BTW, we aren`t here to leave, and it`s not by hoping to get rid of the jews that you`ll solve any of the ME problem.
Sincerely, I`m a little tired of reading those kind of snorts, they just show both ignorance and prejudice.

- Everyone take a step back, chill out and smell the roses.
Yeah, right :roll:

[radon]

And what about the highlky generous arab world offering to palestinians a piece of "lightly populated" state to the palestinians, and they would call it "palestine one" since there never been a palestine before.

Fine there has never been a palestine. Nut since when has there been a Israel in the current size and style? Israel is also a new invention. The ancient is well ancient. Also the very small number of jews living there for very long times , is no argument. The current conflict there is a new one imho.



Don't tell me it's only because of their governments, many of them support this kind of lifestyle, it's part of their religion and has nothing to do with whether they're Democracies or not.

I agree. I don't think it is anyones duty to try to dearabize/demuslimize anyone. There is Xirdistan where going without a Hijab and insulting Allah is a crime . Well I could care less.

Extreme ****holes like afghanistan are imho a fully another issue. In this case I don't care about someone going after ragheads riding on a camels shouting jihad :)

[GrimmyRX]

Have you noticed they don't really care about the human rights issues? It's the West that keeps telling them they're not allowed to have four wives...


What's wrong with having 4 wives? hell, if it works for them, let'em have it.

[Novara]

Do you judge all Christians by the ravings of those mad evangelical doomsday ones?

Most Muslims are very humble, peace loving, friendly and reasonable people.

Islamic culture and science used to be very advanced until fundamentalism and political infighting took over. For example they invented telescopes, soap, the compass, the pocket watch etc.

Where do you get all this rubbish?

The telescope was invented by a Dutch man. Hans Lippershey.

http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bltelescope.htm

Soap was invented in 2800 b.c. by the Babylonians when Islam didn't exist:

http://inventors.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.sdahq.org/sdalatest/html/soaphistory1.htm

The Chinese invented the compass:

http://www.smith.edu/hsc/museum/ancient_inventions/compass2.html

And a Dutch physicist invented the pocket watch (Christian Huygens)

http://www.ozdoba.net/swisswatch/history_part1.html

Stop making up crap...please. :roll:

[cut]

to corect the kapt_klutz, I think he meant arab culture not muslim, and is confusing a few things, such as saying telescopes instead of astronomy etc..

[Novara]

to corect the kapt_klutz, I think he meant arab culture not muslim, and is confusing a few things, such as saying telescopes instead of astronomy etc..

Still....the arabs didn't invent any of those things he/she stated. In actual fact, the Arabs did not invent much as you can imagine considering they still light fires with camel turd.

What did they invent? Even the frigging equipment used to pump out their oil and refine it was made and manufactured in either Europe/Japan/US or all three. They drive around in Mercs/Bentleys (German), they watch arab **** on Blaupunkt TV's (which are Danish), they wear Rolex (which are swiss) and they screw cheap Thai whores (which is Thai pussy).

:roll:

[cut]

to corect the kapt_klutz, I think he meant arab culture not muslim, and is confusing a few things, such as saying telescopes instead of astronomy etc..

Still....the arabs didn't invent any of those things he/she stated. In actual fact, the Arabs did not invent much as you can imagine considering they still light fires with camel turd.

What did they invent? Even the frigging equipment used to pump out their oil and refine it was made and manufactured in either Europe/Japan/US or all three. They drive around in Mercs/Bentleys (German), they watch arab **** on Blaupunkt TV's (which are Danish), they wear Rolex (which are swiss) and they screw cheap Thai whores (which is Thai pussy).

:roll:

I'm pretty sure they started the ball rolling in Maths, arabs were the first to use writing and write down history, that's what earned them the title of "craddle of civilization". There's no need to take that away from them.
Also we use the Roman Alphabet but not Roman numerals. The Numbers most of the world use (except ironically arabs) are of arab origin.

[Novara]

to corect the kapt_klutz, I think he meant arab culture not muslim, and is confusing a few things, such as saying telescopes instead of astronomy etc..

Still....the arabs didn't invent any of those things he/she stated. In actual fact, the Arabs did not invent much as you can imagine considering they still light fires with camel turd.

What did they invent? Even the frigging equipment used to pump out their oil and refine it was made and manufactured in either Europe/Japan/US or all three. They drive around in Mercs/Bentleys (German), they watch arab **** on Blaupunkt TV's (which are Danish), they wear Rolex (which are swiss) and they screw cheap Thai whores (which is Thai pussy).

:roll:

I'm pretty sure they started the ball rolling in Maths, arabs were the first to use writing and write down history, that's what earned them the title of "craddle of civilization". There's no need to take that away from them.
Also we use the Roman Alphabet but not Roman numerals. The Numbers most of the world use (except ironically arabs) are of arab origin.

When you say "Arabs", you are talking about people who have orginated from Saudi Arabia. Maybe the geographical location is the same, but Saudi Arabia hadn't come into existence yet. Therefore the "Arabs" did not invent the written word, but the "Sumers" did. Same goes for Issyrians etc..
If you still want to argue the case, then we should call the French "Gauls", Spanish "Moors" and the Italians either "Romans" or "Etruscans". In the same vain, the "Romans" invented the aquaduct, sewage, central heating etc. and not the "Italians" considering Italy had not come into being yet.

;)

[moughoun]

to corect the kapt_klutz, I think he meant arab culture not muslim, and is confusing a few things, such as saying telescopes instead of astronomy etc..

Still....the arabs didn't invent any of those things he/she stated. In actual fact, the Arabs did not invent much as you can imagine considering they still light fires with camel turd.

What did they invent? Even the frigging equipment used to pump out their oil and refine it was made and manufactured in either Europe/Japan/US or all three. They drive around in Mercs/Bentleys (German), they watch arab **** on Blaupunkt TV's (which are Danish), they wear Rolex (which are swiss) and they screw cheap Thai whores (which is Thai pussy).

:roll:

I'm pretty sure they started the ball rolling in Maths, arabs were the first to use writing and write down history, that's what earned them the title of "craddle of civilization". There's no need to take that away from them.
Also we use the Roman Alphabet but not Roman numerals. The Numbers most of the world use (except ironically arabs) are of arab origin.

When you say "Arabs", you are talking about people who have orginated from Saudi Arabia. Maybe the geographical location is the same, but Saudi Arabia hadn't come into existence yet. Therefore the "Arabs" did not invent the written word, but the "Sumers" did. Same goes for Issyrians etc..
If you still want to argue the case, then we should call the French "Gauls", Spanish "Moors" and the Italians either "Romans" or "Etruscans". In the same vain, the "Romans" invented the aquaduct, sewage, central heating etc. and not the "Italians" considering Italy had not come into being yet.

;)

Oh bugger, I have to agree with you :| , it won't happen very often mind ;)

[Pooga]

Goldangit, everybody who's not Muslim is an enemy to Muslims, according to these guys! Even pygmies in the Amazon who can't even conceive of a number greater than two are blood-enemies!

[Angelino]

I'm pretty sure they started the ball rolling in Maths, arabs were the first to use writing and write down history, that's what earned them the title of "craddle of civilization". There's no need to take that away from them.
Also we use the Roman Alphabet but not Roman numerals. The Numbers most of the world use (except ironically arabs) are of arab origin.
Arabic words are written right to left, but even they write their numbers left to right, which indicates a non-arab origin. In fact, the arabs call "arabic numbers" as "hindu numerals" in Arabic, because they learned them from India. The ONE useful thing that they did was collect the knowledge of the Greeks/Romans as well as knowledge from the East (i.e.) from China and India together in one place. The Arabs preserved this knowledge during Europe's Dark Ages, but didn't really add too much more to it.
http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/HistTopics/Arabic_numerals.html

[Pooga]

Actually the first Mesopotamian (whose inhabitants I GUESS you could say were Arabs) written "document" was supposed to have been written in 3000 BC. Now it looks like the first written thingy was made in 3500 BC in Pakistan (at Harappa), so that would be the Indus Valley civilizations.

The Arabs may have been the first to "conceive" the idea of what we call "math," but the Greeks actually developed it (Algebra, Trig, etc.).

Anyhoo…

[penna]

- Cede a lightly populated US state to Israel, encourage emigration of Jews to this state (Israel II!!)

as much as i like and support the Jews, i'm gonna have to say no on that one.

[Pooga]

- Cede a lightly populated US state to Israel, encourage emigration of Jews to this state (Israel II!!)
I think that's what Malcolm X wanted to do, except not for the Jews. ;)

[StarvingStudent47]

I'm pretty sure they started the ball rolling in Maths, arabs were the first to use writing and write down history, that's what earned them the title of "craddle of civilization". There's no need to take that away from them.
Also we use the Roman Alphabet but not Roman numerals. The Numbers most of the world use (except ironically arabs) are of arab origin.

Actually, "arabic numerals" are originally from India. They only got that name because they were transmitted through the Arab world to the West.

http://www.scit.wlv.ac.uk/university/scit/modules/mm2217/han.htm

[StarvingStudent47]

- Cede a lightly populated US state to Israel, encourage emigration of Jews to this state (Israel II!!)

as much as i like and support the Jews, i'm gonna have to say no on that one.

It's all good, it's not Jews who want that "solution" anyway.

[Novara]

I found a website where it claims Arabs and Islamics invented a whole bunch of stuff. It's ridiculous... They just put "The telescope was invented by Sim Sala Bin one night while looking at the stars..." That's their evidence "..by looking at the stars". In a whole page they just about covered everything from the wheel to the computer, without giving a shred of evidence or explaining who these "inventors" were.
Don't they realise there's a technology tree? It's like me saying "Today I wiped my arse with my left hand instead of my right and low and behold I invented the pocket calculator".

p.s. They also claim they discovered America and not Cristopher Colombus. Worst thing is, they probably believe that crap.

:roll:

[StarvingStudent47]

p.s. They also claim they discovered America and not Cristopher Colombus. Worst thing is, they probably believe that crap.

:roll:

And people claim the vikings discovered North America, and that the Chinese discovered North America...the credit for discovering this continent seems to belong to everybody besides the indigeous residents ;)