more pics + VSS

[spoonman]

http://club.guns.ru/images/convention/1.jpg

The V-94 large-bore anti-material sniper rifle in caliber 12.7x108 mm has been successfully used in recent war conflicts

http://club.guns.ru/images/fotog/1.jpg

Spetsnaz trooper fires the BIZON submachine gun

http://club.guns.ru/images/fotog/2.jpg

The OMON sniper fires from the BTR hatch, using lid as cover

http://club.guns.ru/images/fotog/3.jpg

Spetsnaz fires the Saiga-12K tactical semi-auto shotgun

http://club.guns.ru/images/fotog/4.jpg

Spetsnaz after completing the reconaissance mission

http://club.guns.ru/images/ntw/ntw1.jpg

NTW-20 ANTI-MATERIEL RIFLE

http://club.guns.ru/images/ntw/ntw2.jpg

http://club.guns.ru/images/symposium/18.jpg

Modernized SAIGA-12K, stock extended, right side.

http://club.guns.ru/images/symposium/25.jpg

Back view: all accessories including handcuffs, tear gas and an auxiliary folding knife are attached to the waist belt.

http://club.guns.ru/images/symposium/24.jpg

Member of a tactical team is armed with the modernized SAIGA-12K shotgun. Extra magazines are in the chest pockets on the right side.

http://club.guns.ru/images/symposium/26.jpg

An issue PM Makarov pistol and an extra clip are attached to the right hip.

http://club.guns.ru/images/symposium/27.jpg

The left hip accommodates the main knife. The design of the scabbard permits to draw the blade in a matter of a fraction of a second.

http://club.guns.ru/images/symposium/28.jpg

In addition to Variant 1, this kit includes protective goggles, soft body armor and knee protectors

http://club.guns.ru/images/symposium/32.jpg

An auxiliary folding knife is attached to one of the straps of a knee protector.

http://club.guns.ru/images/symposium/29.jpg

Extra ammunition is in the chest pockets on the right side.

http://club.guns.ru/images/specops/15.jpg

Member of OMON with a compact sniper rifle.

http://club.guns.ru/images/specops/5b.jpg

In fire exchange, SOBR deploys the AGS-17 automatic grenade launcher. As may be required, the other operator observes the battlefield through the scope and provides pinpoint cover.

http://club.guns.ru/images/specops/27.jpg

Operator fires from the SVU compact sniper rifle in caliber 7.62x54R.

[hendrix33]

Great photos. Would you mind telling us their source ?

[Seraphim]

Airsofters

http://club.guns.ru/images/fotog/4.jpg

http://club.guns.ru/images/symposium/24.jpg

http://club.guns.ru/images/symposium/28.jpg

http://club.guns.ru/images/symposium/33.jpg

[spoonman]

all the pics are from this site. i really don't think any of these guys are airsofters, you've just been dealing with too many internet idiots too long.

http://club.guns.ru/eng/convention.html

[Seraphim]

First pic is well known airsoft pic.
Guy in black, look at his gun...bolt is too small for real shells to come out.
Guy in tan...take a look at his shotgun shells...primer is gone and theres no plate on the shotgun where you load the shells...cant remember the exact term, but you get the point...also the fact hes with the guy in black ;)

http://club.guns.ru/images/symposium/18.jpg

http://club.guns.ru/images/symposium/29.jpg

[spoonman]

i stand corrected, looks like healthy skepticism pays off.

[hood]

Well, that and the fact that I wasn't aware that face paint camo jobs consisted of putting 2 or 3 dirt stripes on your face. Good pics though.

[GLax]

ahh yes, the 20mm sniper rifle... overkill? perhaps (granted its anti-material) good pics my friend :D

[Dmitri]

UCT_Sinasta: claiming that these guys are airsofters is is idiotic to say least... These pics are from Spetsnaz convention, where some current and retired professionals demostrated and tested some weapons that are now in use.. But since youve never been to that website and probably can't read russian, you wouldn't know ;)
http://www.club.guns.ru/images/convention/11.jpg
http://www.club.guns.ru/images/convention/10.jpg
http://www.club.guns.ru/images/convention/9.jpg
http://www.club.guns.ru/images/convention/13.jpg
http://www.club.guns.ru/images/convention/6.jpg
http://www.club.guns.ru/images/convention/6.jpg
http://www.club.guns.ru/images/convention/1-1.jpg
http://www.club.guns.ru/images/convention/12.jpg
http://www.club.guns.ru/images/convention/12-1.jpg
Do these images look real to you?? How about bullets? They all come from the same convention gallery. And how is the first pic a "well known airsoft pic"??? How in the hell can you see every detail of the shotgun, which I'm sure you've never seen in your real life, from these pics?????
I'm not sure about that pic you show of Saiga, but here are some pics from the same gallery of Saiga-12K, they look kinda different




http://www.club.guns.ru/images/symposium/20.jpg

http://www.club.guns.ru/images/symposium/19.jpg

http://www.club.guns.ru/images/symposium/9.jpg

[b00n]

Tarzan TacVests eh?
And where is the difference between the GP-25 and the GP-30?

[Herrmannek]

Info about gp30 (few words about gp25) loads slowly
http://arms.host.sk/firearms/gp30.htm


http://www.volny.cz/ak-47/gp_30/gp-25b.jpg
http://www.volny.cz/ak-47/gp_30/gp-30b.jpg

M16 with M203 and AK-74M with GP-30
http://www.volny.cz/ak-47/gp_30/m16_ak74.jpg

Grenades:
http://www.volny.cz/ak-47/gp_30/vog-25.jpg
http://www.volny.cz/ak-47/gp_30/vog-25p.jpg

[Glass1]

I'd say UTC_Sinasta stands corrected...whether he thinks he stands correct or not.

There are definately primers in those shotgun shells, and I'd bet money the pump action shotgun is real judging by the rest of the reciever and the fact the the internals that are exposed are obviously machined steel and not ABS plastic...

The other gun...well after the above detailed pics you'd be a fool to argue that point.

[thatguy96]

First pic a "well known airsoft" pic? I was unaware that there were airsoft versions of the Tula AS 'Val', PP-90 SMG, and I think that pistol might be an MP445 'Grach'...could be wrong...of which there is also no airsoft replica.

These are all pics from Valerie Shillin's website (and this guy worked at the Izmash armament factory in Russia for many years if he's not still working there).

[MEGR]

Do the Spetnaz use the AN94??

[zuhrich]

wow 7th pic down is scary :fork:

[GazB]

It is available to spetsnaz. It has been adopted as the new standard rifle for the Russin armed forces. I haven't seen any short barreled version or LMG version so the standard AK-74s will probably be replaced first.

"wow 7th pic down is scary "

Can fire 20mm cannon round, or 14.5mm HMG round out to about 2.5km effective range.

[catalyst]

This guy wanting 2 give himself eye damage with the rifle so close to his eye or is it something that is protecting him....rubber supports? This must be a low recoil rifle ir maybe just a airsoft rifle

I would have 2 think its airsoft
http://club.guns.ru/images/specops/15.jpg[/list]

[Ratamacue]

It looks like there's a rubber eyecup there. I highly doubt it's airsoft.

[zuhrich]

they love a game of fotty after a shoot out ! :backhand:

[GazB]

According to their sales material, the differences between the GP-25 and GP-30 are as follows:

The Gp-30 is 0.2kg lighter at 1.3kgs.

Practical rate of fire for the GP-30 is 5-6 rpm compared to GP-25s 4-5 rpm.

Physical dimensions are:

GP-25:
323mm x 120mm x 76mm

GP-30:
276mm x 147mm x 68mm.

Visibly the GP-25 has a hole in the grip and above the grip it extends back to the magazine. The iron sight is on the left hand side of the launcher.

The GP-30 has a solid grip and is shorter and has its sight on its right side.

Both have direct and upper register sight marks.

The range scale goes up to 400m in white for direct fire and then down to zero in red again. If you have two rounds ready with one round loaded and the other close by in easy reach you can set the range in red or high elevation and fire and start counting. Pick up the extra round and load it and adjust the sight from red to white at the same range and when you get to the count of 9 fire the second round. When you get to the count of 12 both rounds should hit nearly simultanously.
(As shown by the images of the grenades, they are like mortar bombs and leave no empty shell that needs to be removed for reloading).

If you look at the pictures above of the grenades the one with the rounded
nose, labelled VOG-25 (V looks like a B in Cyrillic, O looks the same and G looks like an upside down L) is the standard HE Frag round. The other round called VOG-25P (P looking like the Pi mathematical symbol) with a truncated pointed nose if you look at the crossection the brown/grey square to the right of the red primer is a small precursor charge... ie when the round hits the ground it goes off first and then milliseconds later the main charge goes off. This first charge is enough to blow the main charge 1.5 to 2m in the air before the main charge goes off... ie airburst at any range... without an expensive fire control computer system, laser rangefinder and time fuse... and in service since the early 80s.

I think they are great... clip them on and off as easy as a bayonette and hit targets up to 400m away withut straining your arm...

"This guy wanting 2 give himself eye damage with the rifle so close to his eye or is it something that is protecting him....rubber supports? This must be a low recoil rifle ir maybe just a airsoft rifle "

The weapon he is holding fires a subsonic 9mm round... definitely not airsoft.

[GazB]

BTW
"This guy wanting 2 give himself eye damage with the rifle so close to his eye or is it something that is protecting him....rubber supports? This must be a low recoil rifle ir maybe just a airsoft rifle

I would have 2 think its airsoft"

The scope has an internal light to make the reticule visible at dawn or dusk or against dark targets. The rubber is supposed to stop that light showing on the snipers face when he fires... obviously for eye relief his eye is at least 2 inches away from the rear lens (otherwise the image would be blurry).

[SILENT SCOPE]

http://club.guns.ru/images/fotog/2.jpg

One thing I noticed is that half the people in those photos have 'trigger happy' fingers. Either they're airsofters, poorly trained, or they are actors and these pictures were from a photo-op.

[SOG]

i never new they made a bullpup dragonuv. thats dope.

[Dmitri]

One thing I noticed is that half the people in those photos have 'trigger happy' fingers. Either they're airsofters, poorly trained, or they are actors and these pictures were from a photo-op.
Did you ever think that they could be on a real range firing (which most of these photos are), or like the picture above could be taken during a real life operation?

[SILENT SCOPE]

What about this one?

http://club.guns.ru/images/fotog/4.jpg

[Dmitri]

Well, I honestly don't know much about it, its origin is questionable, but I agree that on this one they are "trigger happy"

[SILENT SCOPE]

I have a felling they're actors. There is no way Russian Spetsnaz would hold their pistols like that.

[Dmitri]

I agree, this picture does look like it's been cut out of some war movie, and these guys definately look like they are posing..

[GazB]

"I have a felling they're actors. There is no way Russian Spetsnaz would hold their pistols like that."

Why?

Some units train with no finger inside the trigger guard till you are lining up your target, but not all units.

You can call having your finger on the trigger during a photo shoot "dangerous" or "unprofessional", but I am pretty sure that the real reason some units don't put their fingers on triggers till they are ready to shoot is because of a history of NDs. I have seen several pics of SAS troopers and other professional units with fingers on the triggers (faces suitably blacked out of course).

Saying they can't be this or that unit because they have their fingers on the triggers sounds rediculous... these images were taken at a Special Forces convention... I doubt there were any "airsofters" invited.

[SILENT SCOPE]

I was taught that it is a bad idea and not safe to have one's finger in the trigger guard- I'm sure many will agree with me. Do you have those photos of SAS with their fingers in the wrong position? I'm sure that they were pointing downrange at a target.

[Bulkowski]

"I have a felling they're actors. There is no way Russian Spetsnaz would hold their pistols like that."

Why?

Some units train with no finger inside the trigger guard till you are lining up your target, but not all units.

You can call having your finger on the trigger during a photo shoot "dangerous" or "unprofessional", but I am pretty sure that the real reason some units don't put their fingers on triggers till they are ready to shoot is because of a history of NDs. I have seen several pics of SAS troopers and other professional units with fingers on the triggers (faces suitably blacked out of course).

Saying they can't be this or that unit because they have their fingers on the triggers sounds rediculous... these images were taken at a Special Forces convention... I doubt there were any "airsofters" invited.
And they don't make those weapons in airsoft

[GazB]

" was taught that it is a bad idea and not safe to have one's finger in the trigger guard- I'm sure many will agree with me. "

As an experienced hunter I was initially taught not to have my finger inside the trigger guard till I was ready to fire... the point is the things I am pointing my rifle at don't fire back... there is no real hurry to make a snap judgement to fire or not to fire. The worst thing a delay could result in is a missed feed of rabbit or venison... on the other hand simply snap shooting as fast as possible in the bush could end up in a fellow hunter getting shot. I am not usually that hungry.
The guys in these pictures are Spetsnaz... it was a Spetsnaz Convention... if their job is to go in to a building to save some hostages then fine don't get you finger in the trigger guard till you know it is a bad guy... Spetsnaz don't rescue hostages.
They are far more likely to go into the Afghan presidential palace with orders to shoot to kill and to kill everyone. Alpha or internal security (ie MVD) troops are more likely for hostage rescue. Spetsnaz are more likely to be setting up ambushes or performing assassinations. GRU Spetsnaz are basically scouts.

[Phil_EFMB]

http://members.cox.net/pbase1/mberg_tac.jpg

The shotgun pictured is a Mossberg 500A. Pump-action Mossbergs (such as the 500 and 590 series) do not have a "feed plate" at the bottom like other shotguns such as the Remington 870.

As far as the shells go, they sure look primed to me.

[GazB]

i never new they made a bullpup dragonuv. thats dope.

Actually they made two types of bullpup dragunovs. One, called the SVU, is semi automatic only and is intended for police or SWAT type use. The other version is called SVU-A or more correctly OTs-03AS, which is capable of full auto fire (at 880rpm) that is intended for sniper use in an urban environment (ie 4-500m normal though theoretical 800m vs man, and 1300m vs area target like a truck or whatever), and capable of full auto for self defence so that an assault rifle for backup is less necessary.

[TacoDelRio]

Good pictures, guys!

By the way, I know about alot of airsoft guns and all sorts of airsoft stuff.(Which means I MUST be a dumb kid, since only dumb kids like playing airsoft :roll: ).

I only wish they made airsoft VSS's, Dragunov bullpups, and VSK's. Even though I am American, for some odd I reason really really like Russian weapons, and I find their military to be highly interesting, if different.

Not everyone is taught the whole trigger safety rule. Think also about the selector switch on the AK series being rather "un-American". Just keep the idea in your mind that all people are different.

Some of you guys need to grow up and quit bashing airsoft so much. I'm sure that if you played it with a mind clear of your opinions on airsoft, you'd see that it is a fun sport. I enjoy playing it whenever I can. Just because I play airsoft does not make me an immature, unsafe kid. I also "play" with real guns, obviously. I know how to act appropriatly. I don't aim my guns at people unless I actually want to shoot them, and I keep the safety on until I'm ready to fire. Granted, there are many people who play airsoft and are dumb kids who don't know how to handle guns properly, but I am not one of them, and I don't play withg others who aren't properly educated on it. I usually end up teaching these people the proper ways to handle firearms, or airsoft guns, since the rule goes for all projectile-launchers.

Other than that, keep the Russian pictures coming! I appreciate them! Valery Shilin has done a great job!

[Fargin]

Great pictures thank you.