The Merkava tank

[S'13]

The Merkava is a series of tanks developed by Israel for the Israel Defence Forces.

The Merkava ("Chariot") has been designed for crew survival. For example, the power plant is placed in the front of the tank, which provides additional crew protection.

It is produced at the tank production factory at the Tel Hashomer Armoured Corps base.

Merkava Mk 1
The Israeli government decided in 1970 that it needed an indigenous tank-building capacity. General Israel Tal led a development team which took into consideration Israel's unique battlefield characteristics and lessons learned from previous wars.

The Merkava was first introduced into service in April 1979.


Merkava Mk 2
The Merkava Mk 2 was first introduced into service in 1983.


Merkava Mk 3
Following information gained in Israel's incursion into Lebanon in 1982, the Merkava Mk 3 was introduced in 1990. The Mark 3 introduced a 1200-horsepower engine, a new suspension and transmission system, and a new 120-mm smooth-bore gun.

A 1995 version, the Mk 3B, had an improved fire-control system.


Merkava Mk 4
The Merkava Mk 4 has improved mobility, enabling the tank to move more easily in the Golan Heights, whose terrain can limit tank movements. It also has the capacity to engage and shoot down anti-tank helicopters, such as the French SA342L Gazelle anti-tank helicopters and Russian Mil Mi-24 Hind attack helicopters of the Syrian Air Force.

In addition, the Merkava has improved armor on the front and sides of the tank.

Yet another improvement is the development of a Battle Management System designed by Elbit Systems, which uses digital information to update planning, navigation, and briefing of crews. The Battle Management System can record data gained during the mission.

A video system gives the driver 360 degree visibility around the tank at all times.


General Characteristics:
Length: 7,6 m
Width: 3,7 m
Height: 2,7 m
Weight: 69 tons
Speed: 60 kph (road)
55 kph (off-road)
Range: 500 km
Primary armament: 120-mm smoothbore gun (50 rounds of ammunition)
Lahat anti-tank missile (when operational)
Secondary armament: Three 7.62-mm machine guns (two on the turret, one co-axial)
One 60-mm internal mortar
Power plant: 1,500 hp diesel (Mk 4)
1,200 hp diesel (Mk 3)
900 hp diesel (Mk 1 and Mk 2)
1400 liters fuel capacity
Crew: 4

[Herrmannek]

Some photos or videos of tank in action?

[StarvingStudent47]

I don't know much about armored combat, but it seems to me that putting the engine in front of the passenger compartment is a basic good idea. Why don't more people do it? Why do so many tanks put the engine behind the people?

[Herrmannek]

I don't know much about armored combat, but it seems to me that putting the engine in front of the passenger compartment is a basic good idea. Why don't more people do it? Why do so many tanks put the engine behind the people?

I see at least one reason: if the engine is on back then Turret can be in front of tank , this gives to cannon low elevation angles so the tank have chance to shot targets below him for example when on high hill or mountain and target in valey.

[GazB]

The Merkava also has several other intelligent design features.

For one it introduced the concept of modular armour on the Mk 4 model. This allows future armour upgrades to be fitted easily and quickly in the field. It also means they can be airlifted seperately from the majority of their armour so that smaller aircraft can transport them. (It means more flights, but also vastly increases the number of aircraft that can carry them.) This modular armour design has since been copied on the latest model Leopard. (2A6 I think).

Another useful feature used on all models of the Merkava is the addition of a 60mm mortar. Initially used for flares for night ops they have been kept on board after modern Night vision equipment has been fitted to make flares redundant. They now use HE and are used to engage targets behind cover without expending much larger 105mm or 120mm HE rounds. This saves a lot of space.

[S'13]

Some photos or videos of tank in action?

Here you go: http://news.walla.co.il/ts.cgi?tsscript=media&id=1097&type=5

http://news.walla.co.il/ts.cgi?tsscript=media&id=449&type=5

http://news.walla.co.il/ts.cgi?tsscript=media&id=47715&type=5

http://news.walla.co.il/ts.cgi?tsscript=media&id=5956&type=5

http://news.walla.co.il/ts.cgi?tsscript=media&id=5958&type=5

[ArmoredDov_D9]

And from the IDF official site:
http://www.idf.il/newsite/english/0817-1.stm

Read well, it claims that from Merkava 3 Baz and further the tank has the capabllities to shot down chopers. Very interesting.

Merkava Mk3
http://www.idf.il/newsite/english/merkava3-p

[UoUo]

http://www.idf.il/newsite/images/merkava4-p1.jpg

Merkava 4

[warchild1/27scout]

hey i always see those apc's that have the door that lifts up in the back. is that a mercava without the turret or is that something different? i saw it during the intifada when they were attacking eliphant nose arafat's compound. they backed it up to a building and this single door like thing elevated up and the troops walked out the back of it. GO ISREAL!

[S'13]

warchild1/27scout wrote: "hey i always see those apc's that have the door that lifts up in the back. is that a mercava without the turret or is that something different? i saw it during the intifada when they were attacking eliphant nose arafat's compound. they backed it up to a building and this single door like thing elevated up and the troops walked out the back of it. GO ISREAL!"


You mean this?
http://news.walla.co.il/ts.cgi?tsscript=media&id=4609&type=5

[warchild1/27scout]

M, all i got was the home page and hebrew writing and i did'nt know where to look for the picture. if you could post the actual picture i would be very interested in seeing it. thank you. GO ISREAL! KICK SOME PAL ASS! :D

[S'13]

That's strange...

[hendrix33]

It also means they can be airlifted seperately from the majority of their armour

A country the size of Israel does not need airlifting tanks (which is, in general, not a cost-efficient thing to do during a conflict).

Another important atvantage of modular armour is the ability to replace a damaged section in the field.

Here are some photo's, as requested:

Source I: http://www.israeli-weapons.com/israeli_weapons_vehicles_mbt_merkava.html
A very recommended site for all Israeli made weapons from hangduns to satelites. 100% English.

Videos:
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/files/7_1.mpg
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/files/7_2.mpg
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/files/merkava_l.wmv
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/files/merkava.avi

Merkava Mk. 1

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/merkava/merkava1_1.jpg

Merkava Mk. 2

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/merkava/merkava2c_3.jpg

Merkava Mk. 3

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/merkava/merkava_u.jpg

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/merkava/merkava3_j.jpg

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/merkava/merkava3d_2.jpg

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/merkava/merkava3_idf.jpg

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/merkava/merkava3d_7.jpg

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/merkava/merkava3d_4.jpg

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/merkava/merkava3d_6.jpg

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/merkava/merkava3d.jpg

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/merkava/merkava3d_3.jpg

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/merkava/merkava3_b1.jpg

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/merkava/merkava3_b4.jpg

Merkava Mk. 4

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/merkava/merkava4_gg.jpg

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/merkava/merkava4_x1.jpg

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/merkava/merkava4_x2.jpg

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/merkava/merkava4_idf1.jpg

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/merkava/merkava4_idf2.jpg

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/merkava/merkava4_idf3.jpg

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/merkava/merkava4_r0.jpg

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/merkava/merkava4_f.gif

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/merkava/merkava4_x5.gif

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/merkava/merkava4_r1.jpg


Source II:
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/merkava4/index.html

Merkava Mk. 4

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/merkava4/images/Merkava4_2.jpg

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/merkava4/images/Merkava4_6.jpg

You guys want some more ?

[Dennis G]

Yeah more would be cool they are great photos. Are there any photos of cross sections of that tank or US and Britians Main Combat tanks? Would like to see the guts of the tanks. One more request anyone have photos of germany, France, Italy,India main tank?

[seventy6er]

The Merkava is real nice, ranking number 3 in the list of the world's best MBT's...

[budanski]

The Merkava is a wonderful tank that needs to go here (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=10)

[seventy6er]

Here're the requested photos...


http://www.wehrtechnik.net/wehrtechnik/leo2_03.jpg

http://www.wehrtechnik.net/wehrtechnik/Stridsvagn_122.jpg

Swedish version (Strv-122)

http://www.wehrtechnik.net/wehrtechnik/leo2a5_05.jpg

http://www.tank-data.de/leop2a6.jpg

http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/Leo2_Pics/LEOPARD2A6-BIG.jpg


http://www.army-technology.com/projects/leopard/images/leop113.jpg

[seventy6er]

The Merkava is a wonderful tank that needs to go here (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=10)

Or here (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=8)

[hendrix33]

The Merkava is real nice, ranking number 3 in the list of the world's best MBT's...

The average Israeli would argue that (national pride thing).

Which would you rank over the Merkava ?
One thing is certain: for the regional topography, climate, Israel's doctrine and Tactics, Israel's qauntitive shortness with it's adversaries - No other tank in the world is more suitable for the task than Merkava.


About other MBTs in the world.
Here
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/index_main.html#Main Battle Tanks
You can read and see photos of all the leading MBTs in the world.


Germany: Leopard 2 A6

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/leopard/images/leop113.jpg

Italy: Areite

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/ariete/images/ariete2.jpg

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/ariete/images/ariete3.jpg

France: Leclerc

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/leclerc/images/leclerc18.jpg

India: Arjun
I'm not aware of the existance of something newer domesticly produced in India.
Source: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/arjun.htm

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/arjun-15.jpg

[warchild1/27scout]

hey M i found it on that isreali vehicles. is it the achzarit? that things pretty cool. although my favorites probably the bulldozer when it's running over those bastards houses.

[hendrix33]

Achrarit ("Cruel Lady")

Source:
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/armored_personnel_carriers/achzarit/Achzarit.html


http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/armored_personnel_carriers/achzarit/achzarit6.jpg

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/armored_personnel_carriers/achzarit/achzarit1.jpg

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/armored_personnel_carriers/achzarit/achzarit2.jpg

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/armored_personnel_carriers/achzarit/achzarit_4u.jpg



The Achzarit infantry armoured vehicle was developed to meet the specific operational requirements of the Israel Defence Force for a well-protected vehicle capable of operating with the well-armoured
Merkava (Mk1, Mk2). Following extensive trials with Centurion and Merkava based prototype vehicles, the Achzarit infantry armoured vehicle was accepted for service with the Israel Defence Force and entered production in 1988.
The chassis of the Achzarit is based on heavily modified Russian T-54/T-55 MBT chassis which have been rebuilt in significant numbers by the Israel Defence Force for some years. The chassis has been stripped down and completely rebuilt, with the crew and infantry compartment at the front and the new power pack at the rear. An additional layer of Israeli-developed passive armour is mounted on the chassis, which makes the vehicle the best protected infantry vehicle of its type in the world.

A total of 10 men are carried, with the driver being seated at the front left with the vehicle commander and 7.62 mm machine gunner to his right. The driver is provided with four day periscopes with an additional six being provided in the rear troop compartment, two on the left side and four on the right.

The machine gunner operates the RAFAEL Overhead Weapon Station which is armed with a 7.62 mm M240 machine gun. This can be aimed and fired from within the vehicle in complete safety. Both day and night [image intensification] sights are provided. There are an additional three 7.62 mm pintle-mounted machine guns, one on the commander's hatch and two over the rear troop compartment. Mounted at either side of the front of the hull is a bank of six IMI CL-3030 instantaneous self-screening system for combat vehicles which were originally installed on Israeli MBTs. This can launch various types of grenade over the frontal arc of the vehicle.

The seven infantrymen are seated to the rear, three on a bench seat on the left side of the compartment, three on individual folding seats on the right and one in the centre of the rear part of the compartment. The driver, commander and machine gunner are each provided with a hatch, with that of the commander capable of being half raised for observation purposes. An additional two hatches are provided to the rear, one over the centre of the crew compartment and the other to its left rear. The infantry can enter and leave the Achzarit via the hatches in the roof or via the hydraulically operated clamshell door located in the rear of the vehicle on the right side. The lower part folds down to form a ramp while the upper part opens upwards.

The original Russian engine and transmission have been removed and a NIMDA-designed power pack has been installed at the vehicle's rear. This unusual power pack is extremely compact and has allowed the installation of the passageway at the rear of the vehicle on the right side which allows the infantry to dismount through the rear clamshell door. This has been achieved without modifying the hull.

The power pack of the Achzarit Mk 1 consists of the transversely mounted Detroit Diesel 8V-71 TTA water-cooled, two-stroke V-8 diesel developing 650hp coupled to an Allison XTG-411-4 hydrokinetic automatic transmission. The Achzarit Mk 2 power pack consists of a Detroit Diesel 8V-92 TA diesel developing 850hp coupled to an Allison XTG-411-5 automatic transmission. These engines can draw in air from either the crew compartment or the engine compartment through a precleaner with a blower to eject the dust and a paper filter.

While the five roadwheels, drive sprocket and idler of the T-54/T-55 MBT have been retained, the wheels are now sprung by new torsion bars which allow a greater wheel travel, with the first and last wheel stations being fitted with an hydraulic bump stop produced by Israel Aircraft Industries. This suspension upgrade provides the vehicle with better cross-country mobility and allows it to operate with MBTs.

The vehicle has a combat loaded weight of 44 tons compared to the 36 tons of a T-54/T-55 MBT and while the T-55 turret has been removed from the Achzarit, most of the difference in weight between the present Achzarit 44 tons and the 27 tons of the T-55 hull is accounted for by the additional armour protection for improved battlefield survivability.

Standard equipment for the Achzarit includes a fire detection and suppression system, individual NBC system and the vehicle can also lay a smoke screen by injecting diesel fuel into its exhaust outlet on the left side of the hull.

There is known to be a command post variant which lacks the roof-mounted machine guns and is fitted with additional communications equipment for its specialised role.


Again, let me recommend this site for anyone interested in Israeli gear.

[ArmoredDov_D9]

The IDF like to take old tanks and convert them into APCs. A lot of IDF APCs are based on a Centurion-Shot.

As for the bulldozer who roaming terrorist houses - it is an Israeli-armoured Caterpiller D9 tracked bulldozer.

http://www.legoz.co.il/617.jpg

http://img.tapuz.co.il/ForumsGallery/galleryimages/676gallery_36003.jpg

http://img.tapuz.co.il/ForumsGallery/galleryimages/676gallery_36004.jpg

From Time Magazin articl on Jenin:

Cobra attack helicopters began to pound rooftop Palestinian positions. But the Israelis' most effective weapon was unconventional: the huge, armored D-9 bulldozer, 20 ft. tall and weighing more than 50 tons; its shovel can crush a car with a single blow. Eventually, a dozen of them went into action, clearing paths for the tanks and detonating ****y traps; Palestinians say Israeli troops rode atop them, firing rocket-propelled grenades. Undoubtedly, the D-9s destroyed houses, but they certainly didn't bury as many people as Palestinian officials have alleged. It takes the D-9 at least half an hour to fully wreck a building. Israeli soldiers say they always called to residents to come out before the bulldozers went in. But even if the innocents were too frightened initially to leave, most would surely have done so as soon as the D-9 started its work. A senior Palestinian military officer tells Time it was probably the gunmen's own ****y traps that buried some civilians and fighters alive. There were bombs that were certainly big enough to wreck a cinder-block refugee house more devastatingly than a D-9 ever could.

[hendrix33]

"The Terror of the Terrorists..."


Are you a D9 operator ?

[warchild1/27scout]

that is awesome. the isrealis got those pal terrorists lookin around if they even want to step out of thier rat hole. :D

[hendrix33]

Rat holes are a major problem too. The PALs are smuggling large amout of weapons and explosives in tunnels over at the Egyptian-Israeli boders, at the south of Gaza strip.

http://www.idf.il/newsite/hebrew/039-1.jpg

http://www.idf.il/newsite/hebrew/039-2.jpg

On the draw is a scheme of a tunnel. The squre on the right is a building on the Egyptian side, and squre on the left is a building at the palestinian side, and the vertical lines represent the electronic fence.

Source of images: IDF spokesman.

[ArmoredDov_D9]

"The Terror of the Terrorists..."


Are you a D9 operator ?


On my way to be physical engineer in the IDF.

p.s. I prefer "The terrorists' nightmare"...

[seventy6er]

The average Israeli would argue that (national pride thing).

Which would you rank over the Merkava ?
One thing is certain: for the regional topography, climate, Israel's doctrine and Tactics, Israel's qauntitive shortness with it's adversaries - No other tank in the world is more suitable for the task than Merkava.


I will give you a link when I'm back home. It's from an independant Institute (I think from the USA) that's been doing researches of MBT'S for years. They publish a new list of the best MBT'S every year. They rank the Leo 2A6 at #1, the M1A2 in its latest configuration at #2 followed by (I think so) the Merkava IV... Or was the Merkava at #4? Dunno, will give you the link later.

Cu

[hendrix33]

Well, the diversity IS bigger on the US case, but consider the Golan Heigts bouldery terrain, the Negev desert on the Egyptian front, and Snowy Mt. Hermon on the north again.

Sure, US has to face a wider variety of climates, but Israel has a diversity of climates, terrains, and other natural obsticales, despite it's small size.

[Bulkowski]

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/t90/images/t90_7.jpg
T-90 for sure :D

[seventy6er]

Press Release
Contact: Greg Fetter, Senior Defense Analyst
Phone: (941)-637-7116
Fax: (941) 637- 0748
Web site: www.forecast1.com
E-mail: greg.fetter@forecast1.com
Forecast International, Inc.
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Germany’s Leopard 2 Remains the World’s Best Tank

Newtown Connecticut, USA, January 8, 2001 — The Pentagon’s gas turbine-powered M1 Abrams may be the first tank that comes to the minds of most Americans, but overall, Germany’s Leopard 2 is the world’s best. In a new analysis of the world tank market, Forecast International/DMS finds that, based on an overall comparison in terms of lethality, fightability, mobility and survivability, the Leopard 2A6EX comes out on top. The annual tank analysis and ranking, the only one of its type available from open sources, is a product of Forecast International’s Weapon Group.

Although the Leopard 2A6EX ranked above the M1 Abrams (in the A2 System Enhancement Package model), the gap between the two tanks remains exceedingly small. In this year’s survey, the deciding factor was the Leopard 2’s 55-caliber version of the Rh 120 tank cannon and the formidable DM 53 long rod penetrating ammunition. The Abrams is slated to receive the same cannon, but not for several years.

New and improved fire control components, the addition of an auxiliary power unit, as well as overall performance helped push the Leopard 2 A6EX ahead of the M1A2 System Enhancement Package model in Forecast International’s latest ranking. Even so, the M1A2 System Enhancement Package, which is bringing all M1 tanks to a single improved level, represents a major enhancement to the Abrams’ already formidable proven fighting ability. Indeed, based on its superior performance during the Persian Gulf War, the Abrams stands at the head of the ranking in terms of combat performance.

In addition, the vacillating Russians aside, the M1 is still the only tank in production that firmly uses a vehicular gas turbine as its prime mover. The U.S. Army recently selected the General Electric LV-100 vehicular gas turbine to re-power the Abrams.

Coming in at third place in the rankings is Japan’s highly sophisticated Type 90, an amalgamation of German tank technology and Japanese expertise in advanced electronics. The Type 90 is followed by the Leclerc of France and the United Kingdom’s Challenger 2, both in their latest versions.

Making a significant rise in the rankings this year is Israel’s Merkava in the latest Mark III Baz model. Contributing to this rise in the standings is the enhanced armor protection and greatly improved fire control components of this latest version of the Merkava.

The latest analysis and ranking again has the omnipresent Russian tanks falling short of their Western counterparts, despite some recent major improvements as well as the continued lead by the Russians in active defense systems.

Forecast International/DMS Inc., is the worlds leading provider of Market Intelligence and Analyses in the areas of aerospace, defense, power systems and military electronics. Based in Newtown, CT, USA, Forecast International specializes in long-range industry forecasts and is renowned for innovative marketing presentations, including regular 10-year forecasts. To arrange an interview with Forecast International’s analysts, please contact Monty Nebinger for an appointment (203-426-0800). X140

[seventy6er]

Ooops, made a mistake... That was 2001's ranking.

Here's the 2002 ranking:


Press Release
Contact: Gregory Fetter, Senior Weapons Analyst

Phone: (941) 637-6068

Fax: (941) 637-8959

Web site: www.forecast1.com

E-mail: greg.fetter@forecast1.com

Forecast International, Inc.

22 Commerce Rd. Newtown, CT 06470 USA



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Forecast International Again Ranks Leopard 2 World’s Best Tank Overall



NEWTOWN, Conn., July 15, 2002 -- In its annual ranking of the world’s best tanks, Forecast International lists Germany’s Leopard 2 A6EX model as the world’s number one tank overall. A product of Krauss-Maffei Wegmann, the potent Leopard 2 has been steadily improved over the years and the latest version, the A6EX, maintains the lead.



"The Leopard 2 just edged out the United States’ M1A2 System Enhancement Package tank," said Gregory Fetter, author of the Forecast International rankings. "The deciding factor was the Leopard 2’s 55 caliber version of the Rh 120 tank gun and its DM 53 long rod penetrator ammunition," Fetter said.



However, the M1A2 Abrams tank, built by General Dynamics Land Systems, outperforms the Leopard 2 in actual combat situations. In addition, various ongoing improvements to the Abrams will further enhance its proven hunter-killer mode of fighting, according to Fetter.



Third on Forecast International’s best tank list is Japan’s Type 90, a technically sophisticated tank built by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries that draws heavily on German technology, including a 120 millimeter Rh 120 tank cannon. However, the Japanese tank does possess some features not found on the Leopard 2, such as an automatic loader and three-man crew.



Making a major advance in the 2002 tanks rankings is Israel’s new Merkava Mark IV, built by Israel Ordnance Corps. While this model has only just been officially unveiled, sufficient information has leaked regarding this latest manifestation of the unique Merkava design to rank it number four, above the French Leclerc and British Challenger 2.



The Mark IV’s main features include a further improved fire control system and an integrated active vehicle protection system. The Mark IV tank includes a further refined automatic target tracking system; the fire control suite is reportedly very flexible with a good degree of mission planning capability. The Merkava’s power-to-weight ratio is greatly improved over earlier models by the integration of the EuroPowerPack.



While unique in some ways, the latest Russian and Chinese tanks still do fare well in comparison to Western tanks, according to the report. However, survivability and reliability concerns as well as quality control issues rank these tanks at the bottom of the top ten list of world’s best tanks.



Forecast International/DMS Inc. is a leading provider of Market Intelligence and Analyses in the areas of aerospace, defense, power systems and military electronics. Based in Newtown, CT, USA, Forecast International specializes in long-range industry forecasts and innovative marketing presentations, including regular 10-year forecasts. To arrange an interview with Forecast International’s analysts, please contact Monty Nebinger (203-426-0800, monty.nebinger@forecast1.com).


the Euro-Power-Pack consists of 1500hp-diesel-engine made by MTU from Germany and an automatic transmission from Renk (Germany).

[Seiyuuki]

If they only could put all the top ten tanks with the the best tank crews together...and have a BATTLE ROYAL!!!!!!!!! MUWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[axl]

and the statement with the europowerpack is just one point where you can see how much crap is in that report. merk4 has a modified version of the engine used for the europowerpack and a rk325 transmission (not hslw 295). the leopard 2 is a nice tank, but old. you can put a longer gun, more armour and a new sight for the tc, but it's still old. nice is also that the leopard or m1 come with versions (a6 and a4), the same for the merk. the leclerc is only called leclerc, but there is a leclerc t1-t8 with different features. as nobody is mentioning this, i have the impression that guys who have no practical experience with those tanks made this list. i have more or less experience with leo2a4, m1a1 and leclerc rt5/t7 and the leclerc is the best tank ever made. also there are "survivability and reliability concerns" against latest russian tanks, what a crap is that? they are russian, okay...and?

regards
axl

www.kampfpanzer.de

[Seiyuuki]

To arrange an interview with Forecast International’s analysts, please contact Monty Nebinger (203-426-0800, monty.nebinger@forecast1.com).

Maybe you should call and set up an interview.

[GazB]

"A country the size of Israel does not need airlifting tanks (which is, in general, not a cost-efficient thing to do during a conflict). "

I wasn't referring specifically to Israel with that point... few countries in the world have fleets of aircraft with the capacity of carrying 70 ton tanks... C-17, An-124, and C-5 are pretty much it.

The main reason Israel uses modular armour is the ability to replace damaged sections easily and the ability to upgrade armour easily. The latter is very important for Isreal who have had to design specialised armour upgrade packages for each type of tank they have had in service... ie M60, Centurian etc etc. Being able to develop a new type of armour and also being able to retrofit that to the existing tank fleet is the main benefit for Israel.

[hendrix33]

the only one of its type available from open sources

Well, that pretty much says it all, doesn't it ?


One nice thing about indegineously produced weapons is that YOU controll most of the information released on that. Loepard's have been sold all across Europe, and M1's have a fair international market as well. Merkava is unique. Even crews are not exposed to everything.

I'm not claiming Mekrava should rank first, but I Do claim the report is not based on the complete facts.

Again, no other tank is better suited for the current local terrains and Doctrine than Merkava. That's unargueable.

Another fact I think most will agree is crew survivability - which I don't believe any competetor could claim to be better on that.

[ArmoredDov_D9]

Making a major advance in the 2002 tanks rankings is Israel’s new Merkava Mark IV, built by Israel Ordnance Corps. While this model has only just been officially unveiled, sufficient information has leaked regarding this latest manifestation of the unique Merkava design to rank it number four, above the French Leclerc and British Challenger 2.

Basicly, what Forcast are saying is that they don't know anything about Merkava 4 and that's why the rank it low in the list.

There's no doubt the Merkava 4 is one of the top 3 with modular improved armor, advance fire-control system, extra air-protection and the ability to even intercept chopers. Merkava 4 also has protection against aireal threats and a great terrain passing capability.

[Haiw]

Again, no other tank is better suited for the current local terrains and Doctrine than Merkava. That's unargueable.
bulldozering houses and fighting people armed with ak-47's...gimme one thank that AINT suited for that lol

[ArmoredDov_D9]

bulldozering houses and fighting people armed with ak-47's...gimme one thank that AINT suited for that lol

:D

Yeh, the Merkava wasn't ment for urban fighting but to be a MBT. Nevertheless, it has some very nice features giving it the edge on other tanks in MOUT:

1. Co-axial 0.5 intch caliber internal machinegun, known as MAG Refael. This enables the tank-crew to open fire within the turret in complete safety. The 0.5 caliber suplies strong firepower - stronger than 7.62mm machinegun but not as devastating as the main gun.
2. Rear-door: great for transporting infantry in MOUT.
3. Night vision devices (NVD).
4. Internal 60mm mortar.
5. Main gun. A 120mm shell can always be useful now and then.

Merkava tanks don't operate alone. They are combined with IDF-modified APCs and IDF armoured D9 bulldozers.

[hendrix33]

hendrix33 wrote:
Again, no other tank is better suited for the current local terrains and Doctrine than Merkava. That's unargueable.

bulldozering houses and fighting people armed with ak-47's...gimme one thank that AINT suited for that lol



I think you know for yourself the main purpose IDF is built for and is trainning and building it's forces for. Lemme throw in a clue - it's neither Gaza nor the west bank.

Merkava in design is a living symbol of Israel's most basic Doctrine consideration: Bringing the fighting to the enemy territory.

[He219]

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=407248

One beautiful Tank!


An Israeli army tank is positioned overlooking the city inside the West Bank town of Nablus Friday Aug. 29, 2003. Israeli troops combed the Balata refugee camp on the edge of Nablus, part of a weeklong arrest sweep in the West Bank's largest city. (AP Photo/Nasser Ishtayeh)

[GazB]

"There's no doubt the Merkava 4 is one of the top 3 with modular improved armor, advance fire-control system, extra air-protection and the ability to even intercept chopers."

Most modern tanks have advanced fire control systems... actually I personally think the most sophisticated electronics wise wuld probably be the new Japanese tank. Most western and soviet tanks have specialised rounds that would be useful against helos... MPAT in the case of the west and guided ATGM in the east. Further the eastern tanks can be fitted with electro optical jamming systems (Shtora), third gen ERA, active anti missile systems (Arena and Drodz), and many other bits and pieces.

Axl has posted here before mentioning that most modern tanks with modern FCS have anti helo capability. And quite frankly I believe him.
:-)

[StarvingStudent47]

I think you know for yourself the main purpose IDF is built for and is trainning and building it's forces for. Lemme throw in a clue - it's neither Gaza nor the west bank.

Merkava in design is a living symbol of Israel's most basic Doctrine consideration: Bringing the fighting to the enemy territory.

Even defensively, if Mubarak was to make the same mistake that Nasser and Sadat made and move against Israel, I'm pretty sure that the Merkava would make life hell for his armor divisions. The threat of invasion is always present in Israel and cannot be ignored, though some people forget about it from time to time.

[Helly]

Even defensively, if Mubarak was to make the same mistake that Nasser and Sadat made and move against Israel, I'm pretty sure that the Merkava would make life hell for his armor divisions.

Now that'll interesting. Israel's Merkava tanks against Egypt's 750 or so M1A1 Abrams.

~Helly

[hendrix33]

Now that'll interesting. Israel's Merkava tanks against Egypt's 750 or so M1A1 Abrams.

Without slipping any national pride in my response, Which would you prefer taking you throught the sandy Sinai Desert:
Merkava's (Mk.4) 1,500 hp Diesel engine, or a M1's Gas-Turbine engine ?
;)

[Helly]

Now that'll interesting. Israel's Merkava tanks against Egypt's 750 or so M1A1 Abrams.

Without slipping any national pride in my response, Which would you prefer taking you throught the sandy Sinai Desert:
Merkava's (Mk.4) 1,500 hp Diesel engine, or a M1's Gas-Turbine engine ?
;)

Power output's the same with both, but I think I know which one will go farther. I think you do, too. ;)

~Helly

[hendrix33]

Ummm... My bet is on the diesel one, since we're talking about sandy desert conditions. Wouln't wanna have a gas-turbine engine on this scenario.

[oldsoak]

Merkava certainly is impressive. I am suprised that no other nation seems to have adopted the engine in the front layout in an MBT. As an aside, I know the Israelis were very interested in the British Chieftain tank back in the late 60's /early 70's before the government of the time found an excuse not to sell it to them. A pity, it could have improved British -Israeli relations and I'm quite sure the Israelis would have been prepared to "feed back" any improvements they found necessary, thus benefiting both parties. The British could have found a creative means of supplying them via a third country. Out of interest, is Merkava availiable for sale to friendly governments ? Is there any information exchange with the west as regards the latest developemnts in the MBT world ?
rgds

[hendrix33]

I'd like to elaborate on the on Chieftain's point.

In the late 60's the arab's quantitive advantage over Israel was turnning into a qualitive atvantage as well, with the purchases of advanced armour from the USSR (T-62, which was formidable at the time).
Israel was a partner in the development of the Chieftain program, only to face refusal at the end of the project to purchase the product.
For three years Israel was a partner in the development, and two prototypes were transferred to Israel for further development.
In november of 69', the Brits folded to a continues arab pressure and closed the door on the deal.

The farmiliar disappointment of rellying on outside assistance, occured again, and Israel turn to what it does best: Domestic production.

Before that could take place, a thorough economic survey was conducted to establish financial feasability for the projet. After establishing a positive result, it was time to get to work.

The Israeli tank development program was a crash-program in terms of schedule. Involving unique and revolutionary management, development and production techniques, which resulted in an unprecedential short time of development and production. In 79', less than 9 years after the decision to indegineously produce a tank took place, the first batch of Merkava tanks rolled of production and were delivered to IDF.

In conclusion, I think Israel should thank the Brits for dennying us the Chieftains, due to the fact it motivated Israel to develop a world leading in armour technology.


Source (Hebrew) http://www.idf.il/merkava4/hebrew/index.stm

[GazB]

I have respect for the M1A1, it is not some super tank, but certainly is very good.

In Egyptian hands against the Israelis I think you really need to look at the air war to decide.. whoever wins that would likely win on the ground too.

[hendrix33]

I'm far more confident in Israeli F-16 vs. Egyptian F-16 than the ground options. Three main reason: no one in the world has what IAI, IMI, Elbit systems Ltd. and Rafael put on IAF's aircrafts. Second, C3I is supposed to be a great advantage in Israel's favour. Third, combat experience and doctrine.

Here are some links for those wish to farmiliarize more with developments such as Python-5 full sphere AAM, EW, UAVs Etc. All sites are formal Israeli defense industries sites, in English.

http://www.rafael.co.il - Python, Popeye, Spice, Derby, EW, etc.
http://www.iai.co.il - Air Industries - Arrow, Gabriel, Searcher and Heron UAVs, etc.
http://www.elbit.co.il - DASH helmet, Counter measures, etc.
http://www.imi.co.il - Military Industries

One of the advantages: Rafael's full-sphere IR AAM
http://www.rafael.co.il/web/rafnew/products/brochures/Python%205%20inside.PDF
http://www.rafael.co.il/web/rafnew/images/python-5.gif

[Dennis G]

Thank you seventy6er and hendrix33 for taking the time to post the photos thanks alot.

love the cross-section

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/ariete/images/ariete2.jpg

If any one had one of the M1A1 & the Merkava that would be cool.