car bomb vs russian convoy

[NicNZ]

****** has hosted a clip of a car bomb vs russian convoy in Chechnya. Pretty disturbing narration from the muslim fundamentalist cameraman. Looks like the convoy comprised a Ural and a BRDM or BTR.

http://www.******.com/view_attachment.php?id=43286

Hope it hasnt already been posted here -- I hadnt seen it myself.

[RomanS]

take this **** OFF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOW

[Roktiken]

I clicked on the link, then I saw the link went to Orggish....

Fu**ing sick site no matter how you look at it, take it off mods

[Tranceaddict]

****** IS ****. GET IT OFF THIS SITE RIGHT NOW.

[seruriermarshal]

What's meaning with this site ?

[Ghostwolf]

Stupid newbie

[Roktiken]

What's meaning with this site ?

If you dont know, Orgish is a site dedicated to showing the suffering of humanity through shocking and gruesome photos and videos of people dyeing, getting tortured, and being mortally wounded.

They're are no ropes, and no boundries on Orgish.

[GrimmyRX]

erm, if that movie showed a move against Military convoys (and ONLY if it's against a military convoy) I don't see the difference between it and that video of that Apache helicopter mowing down some Iraqi arms dealers\terrorists\rebel fighters or whatever the hell you want to call them.

[Roktiken]

It's the site it's hosted on Grimmy, and I havent seen the video yet but I'm sure it shows cruel and disgusting acts of war which are ill-appropriate for this board.

[GrimmyRX]

It's the site it's hosted on Grimmy, and I havent seen the video yet but I'm sure it shows cruel and disgusting acts of war which are ill-appropriate for this board.

Actually, there are no bodies, no blood, no screaming children being raped. You basicly see shots of 1) a bunch of artty rounds, 2) a car, and 3, what looks to be 1 army truck and 1 kind of wheeled APC being completely caught in a explosion.

[Ichhabe]

Why do you need to see that ****?

I would go so far and say that if you look at this just because your "curious", you support terrorism.

[RomanS]

M O D S ??? leave the off topic and humor, come here and clean this **** here please.

[Bulkowski]

Its the same as the video of the Iraqi insurgent being shot in the head...
IMO

[GrimmyRX]

Why do you need to see that ****?

I would go so far and say that if you look at this just because your "curious", you support terrorism.

Yes, I support terrorism.

Down with America! Allah Ackbar! (or however the hell you spell it)

What, you're saving that you don't study video tapes of your enemies to see how they fight and how they train, et al?

So, yar, I saw the video cause I was curious. Did I like the video? No, because it depicted people being killed.

[Ichhabe]

Why do you need to see that ****?

I would go so far and say that if you look at this just because your "curious", you support terrorism.



What, you're saving that you don't study video tapes of your enemies to see how they fight and how they train, et al?



Are you in the military, and if so; in such a position that you NEED to see that video?

If not :bash:

[ForgottenSoldier1942]

Why do you need to see that ****?

I would go so far and say that if you look at this just because your "curious", you support terrorism.

shut up

[Maverick77]

yeah theres nothin wrong with that video



(besides the obvious)

[mi35d]

Hmmmm...if we show a video of RUSSIAN troops getting killed there's a call for "ban this stuff!" - "take it off now!!!" - Oh, the horror!

Meanwhile, it's o.k. to show a convoy of US troops getting blown up by an IED, US troops wounded hanging out of a Bradley, US troops wounded, etc. etc. etc.

I sense the crappy smell of hypocrisy.

[Bulkowski]

youve only scratched the surface :roll:

[RomanS]

i hate seeing Russian or American soldiers getting killed!

[Wilco]

Permskii speaks the truth people, same here, can't stand seeing our guys and any of our allies taking casualties.

[Ichhabe]

Hmmmm...if we show a video of RUSSIAN troops getting killed there's a call for "ban this stuff!" - "take it off now!!!" - Oh, the horror!

Meanwhile, it's o.k. to show a convoy of US troops getting blown up by an IED, US troops wounded hanging out of a Bradley, US troops wounded, etc. etc. etc.

I sense the crappy smell of hypocrisy.

You obviously new to this site. We react in the same way when US casualties are shown like that. And others for that matter. Check, double check and then check again before opening pie-hole next time.

[Lt_Crooks]

bad video. terrorist training video :fork:

[ForgottenSoldier1942]

bad video. terrorist training video :fork:

indeed it is... but if non-jihadi folks like me watch it, it does NOT mean that I support terrorism. It is **** like this that increases my outrage towards Islamic extremism.

[NicNZ]

Whoa, I didnt expect that response. I dont see why it should be removed - its not gory at all.

I posted it because it shows (graphically) the very real horrors of war and the realities of the world we live in. Im especially surprised that Russian users found it so offensive -- its their war, I thought they would want to see it.

*shrug* sorry if it offended anyone. Thanks to those who took the time to actually watch it and point out that it is no worse than some other stuff that has been posted.

[combat jack]

Well said, Forgotten. Boys......girls.........welcome to the choatic, terrifying, clumsiness that is modern warfare. ****** is one of the most disgusting websites there is, but I still visit all of the time. Why? Not because I am some twisted f*ck that likes to see others' suffer, quite the contrary, I visit because ****** is a wake up call to me. It reminds me how violent war truly is, and how barbaric the human race can be. Some of our boys in Iraq see the same thing almost every day.

[scrybe]

As I read this thread, I start to agree with both sides of the arguement.

I think the difference between a lot of videos that are posted here and the videos hosted on ****** is that those found here are generally intended to display and appreciate the power or precision of a certain weapon. ****** seems to display it more as a celebration of death.

When I watch the Apache video taking out farmers (?), I don't think of the objects being destroyed as human beings. I am more focused on the accuracy of the cannon, the rate of fire it is capable of, and the destruction it is capable of. I can appreciate all the thought, engineering, and design that went into designing that weapon system. However, if the camera were set up on a tripod 50ft from the body, set up to watch the body torn apart as bullets fly in from the corner of the screen, there would be no machinery, no fine aiming, only death.

I think you will find here that people are more interested in design and firepower, but are willing to watch a little death if it is a neccesary part of the experience.

[username]

erm "if you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen" It's supposed to be a free world.
I do think that there should be warning's for violent material, but you have no right to attack someone just because there views are not the same as yours If you don't like the video don't watch it, you are free to express your dislike of the video but please do not force your views on others by calling the admin to bann this thread.

[BadKarma26]

I agree with Scarface. Its bull**** to think that a clip of a convoy being ambushed is supporting terrorism. how many movies have we seen of car bombers hitting isrealis from globalterroralert.net or whatever? the chechens fighting the russians is a war, just like its a war fighting the insurgents in iraq.

[Bulkowski]

I agree with Scarface. Its bull**** to think that a clip of a convoy being ambushed is supporting terrorism. how many movies have we seen of car bombers hitting isrealis from globalterroralert.net or whatever? the chechens fighting the russians is a war, just like its a war fighting the insurgents in iraq. Its a war, just an unconventional one...

[Grozny]

Welcome to the real military and real war.

The military does its job by killing. If you can't handle that, find something else to be interested in and keep pretending war is just like it is on TV.

[UkrainianAmerican]

F*cking Jihadi motherf*ckers!
Piss be upon your f*cking 'prophet' and allah.

[flickme]

Ya, i see where u guys are comming from but seriously, the video isnt any different than the others. But i suppose it would be best to remove it it if is offensive to some.

[Nizark]

Why do you need to see that ****?

I would go so far and say that if you look at this just because your "curious", you support terrorism.

Then you are just a fockin idiot if you think that

[Burncycle]

Damn :( you think after so long in theatre, we'd be more careful about abandoned vehicles and other objects possibly containing IED's along the road.

I hope they got the ****ers.... but the tape got out so I suspect not :|

[NicNZ]

Damn :( you think after so long in theatre, we'd be more careful about abandoned vehicles and other objects possibly containing IED's along the road.

I hope they got the f***.... but the tape got out so I suspect not :|

you cant stop people from parking cars anywhere in Chechnya -- all you can do is be cautious. Even then you cant always be sure that a car that was safe an hour earlier is still safe...

[Ichhabe]

These videoes are shot so the terrorists can get their blood money. They are doing them "on demand", and then they film their crime. Then some perv decides to "air" it on the Internet, and the jerks at ****** just love to get their hands on this **** so people can come over and drool on their site.

I do know the grim face of war. I don't need a little pre-pubertal punk assed chairborne-curious wannabe to tell me that. Call me whatever you want, but I truly find such videoes disgusting.

[RomanS]

These videoes are shot so the terrorists can get their blood money. They are doing them "on demand", and then they film their crime. Then some perv decides to "air" it on the Internet, and the jerks at ****** just love to get their hands on this **** so people can come over and drool on their site.

I do know the grim face of war. I don't need a little pre-pubertal punk assed chairborne-curious wannabe to tell me that. Call me whatever you want, but I truly find such videoes disgusting.

Ichhabe,

Sometimes me and you have disagreements, and stupid arguments. But this time I see your support for our soldiers, and I must take my hat off to you,

Thank you !

Sorry if I ever disrespected you in anyway!

[Ichhabe]

No problem PermskiiOMON... I can't understand why anyone, unless it is "work related" wanna see this. And even if you do "need" to see it, I honestly can't understand that you can "learn" anything from this.

[Durandal]

I made the mistake of "being curious" one time, a while back and was sickened.

I agree of course that this stuff does not need to be seen.

I do not think we need to see videos of anything like this...being it American, Russian, Brits, Chinese, or Terrorists.

Just so everyone is on the same page.

Though, being a freedom of speech supporter, where do you draw the line? There has been plenty of stuff posted on here that is sick. HE 219 has posted several items in the past week that would be considered sick by many. He attached the proper warning.

I also respect his decisions on what to post and feel that this is necessary. Military Photos aren't just about shiny buttons and cool guns...

Just my .02

[mi35d]

Actually, I've been here for nearly two years. I'll open my "pie hole" and make my comments because its more fact than bull****.

There have been countless videos of US troops getting hit and there hasn't been a wringing of hands protesting. Right now there's a thread with a Humvee getting hit and there isn't a single post calling for it to be taken off the site.

My comment was directed at several posters who were more than happy to throw their comments on the above thread commenting on the US casualties - yet on the Russian video they called for a ban three post down. This is why I threw the bull**** hypocrisy flag.

[TALOS]

Actually, I've been here for nearly two years. I'll open my "pie hole" and make my comments because its more fact than bull****.

There have been countless videos of US troops getting hit and there hasn't been a wringing of hands protesting. Right now there's a thread with a Humvee getting hit and there isn't a single post calling for it to be taken off the site.

My comment was directed at several posters who were more than happy to throw their comments on the above thread commenting on the US casualties - yet on the Russian video they called for a ban three post down. This is why I threw the bull**** hypocrisy flag.
I personally dont look at ****** but if it all it shows is a car bomb it is no different than all the people who watched the Iraqis on the IFV in Baghdad.
I think the gross stuff like slit throats and crap is just sick. But I think every person who thinks we can negotiate with these bast**ds should be made to watch them.
as for a ban, I think thats too much, every other vid should have to be taken off also then.

[Dkraver]

This discusion is stupid. If it had been posted on any other site the comments wouldnt have been the same. There have been lots of videos from checnya on this board and not one of them have had the same replies as here. And yes i know what the ****** site is about. But non the less if the link had been to any other site the comments would have been about the effectivness of the blast and about road side bombs. This time is was just a stupid site who got the video first.

[OB Kenobi]

Why do you need to see that ****?

People should know what it's really like. Everyone should see the Iraq and Chechnya beheadings at least once, so they understand what we're dealing with.

If more people saw it, they wouldn't be so eager to go to war or think thousands of civilians dying as collateral damage is no big deal. They've been brainshwashed by Hollywood and by politicians to think modern war is "clean."

But that doesn't mean they would become cowards, I think it would make them fight harder, if it was something worth fighting for.

[NicNZ]

This discusion is stupid... if the link had been to any other site the comments would have been about the effectivness of the blast and about road side bombs. This time is was just a stupid site who got the video first.

I agree with you. Most of the argument against this clip seems to be based on the fact that the clip is hosted by ******. The fact that the clip is not gory and the fact that it shows (in detail) a guerilla attack against Russian forces in Chechnya seems to go largely unrecognised. Just because the clip is unpleasant doesnt make it worth banning.


if the link had been to any other site the comments would have been about the effectivness of the blast and about road side bombs.

Myself, I am left wondering the following:

1. Could a BTR withstand a blast like that?
2. If not, would a BMP1, 2 or 3?
3. If not, would a T72 or a T80?
4. Would an Abrams?
5. Would it be possible to survive a blast like that riding on an armoured vehicle, the way Russian soldiers do?

If anyone has answers to these questions Id be interested.

[FozzieBear]

wow i just read all three pages of this thread and it screamed hypocrit to me, i think permskii has an attitude problem, and i think we need to see the effects of war, we dont see it in the news enough, now i have watched 1 beheading video and it was the nick berg one and i aint gonna watch anymore of themm, but you should atleast see it once to see the real horror of it, i myself draw the line at execution videos but i think it is up to the individual what they choose to watch not anyone else.

[shrek]

The description is pretty clear about what the video shows, therefore if you click on it then you must REALLY want to see the destruction.

Do I think it belongs here? Well, I can't be a hypocrite, I was asked for and posted the video of our Hummer getting nuked as well as some other disturbing pics.

However, guys listen (especially you younger guys)! You don't have to be there and experience it for it to haunt and horrify you. You don't have to smell the smoke to remember the fire and what it burned. If you watch these videos THEY WILL STICK WITH YOU! And they will change the way you think, feel and how you react in certain life situations.

War sucks guys; as I have said before it ain't pretty, it ain't heroic and it ain't filled with John Wayne scenes. It's filled with people dieing who shouldn't have, with people calling out to loved ones that are thousands of miles away, while their life ebbs. Babies in pieces and friends you were joking with hours earlier in plastic bags.

So, when the guys that have been around here for a while and have seen what has been posted for ALL to see get angry, you must realize that it is for good reason. Most probably because they have been in a convoy like that, or an ambush etc. They have seen it and don't want you to have to. They have been there and only hope that since you don't have to be, you won't want to see a video of it. I wouldn't want to watch a video of any of you dieing!

*****As far as ****** is concerned; it is a site filled with Sado Masochistic psychopaths that play on your cat-like curiosity to get you to click on their site so they can make a little more money!

[Azide]

[quote=Dkraver]
Myself, I am left wondering the following:

1. Could a BTR withstand a blast like that?
2. If not, would a BMP1, 2 or 3?
3. If not, would a T72 or a T80?
4. Would an Abrams?
5. Would it be possible to survive a blast like that riding on an armoured vehicle, the way Russian soldiers do?

If anyone has answers to these questions Id be interested.

I think there are to factors which can answer these question. One is what kind of explosive is used, and two where did the blast occur relative to the vehicle.

From what i remember from the video is that the personel carrier was still in one piece after the explosion. If anyone died inside it would have been due to the shrapnel that may have penetrated the armour. For the guys on top its realy hard to say, even if the shrapnel didn't get them the pressure wave would have killed them.

Now for the other tanks you mentioned if any of them ran over an explosive that size they would be destroyed.

[Freibier]

I refuse to click on ****** links - bad taste website

[Alex-L]

1. ****** is a site where pathetic people go to view and cheer the suffering and pain of the weak and innocent, not just criminals and soldiers. It is for people that get their jollies off by watching others kill mame and murder themselves and others..
I did not watch the video for I will not promote or support ****** in anyway, the less views the better.

2.From the sounds of the video it is one that might be semi interesting but all in all it isnt, it is showing the death of soldiers and that does not need to be seen.

:rip:

[Dkraver]

Funny how people think....
Its ok to see and cheer when people get cut to pieces by a 30mm chain gun mounted on a apache
or the weapons mounted on the AC-130H spectre
or by a machine gun in the streets of bagdad.
But when its the other way around people are told they are sick to post those videos and that posts should be removed and so on.
But they are all the same. They show war at its worst. All forces cant have jets with nightvision and smart bombs so they fight with what they got....
They all show the reallity of war. Are they funny to look at. No not really but they tells a lot about how war/battle is fought. Things you can/should think about before saying something stupid.
I dont think anyone here on this board doesnt know what kind of material that is posted here. And most people also put warnings if pictures or videos are very graphic.

So a question from me is.
Whats the difference between a video from
a) a gun cam on some US fighter bomber dropping its bombs on a convoy of saddam or sadr loyalists.
and
b) a group of saddam or sadr loyalist filming when they detonate a road side bomb on a US convoy
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
For me they are exactly the same. Only diffence is the weaponry available for the the two different sides. And if interested it can teach you how people fight.
I know many have a part they support. But think about how people from the other part think about videos from your side before cheering.

[Locked N Loaded]

wow i just read all three pages of this thread and it screamed hypocrit to me, i think permskii has an attitude problem, and i think we need to see the effects of war, we dont see it in the news enough, now i have watched 1 beheading video and it was the nick berg one and i aint gonna watch anymore of themm, but you should atleast see it once to see the real horror of it, i myself draw the line at execution videos but i think it is up to the individual what they choose to watch not anyone else.

Agreed, if it was another Country getting hit, you would not hear from some of those screaming LOCK IT!...... :roll: And you know who you are!....... :fork:

L n L

[Kern]

Whether you view the video or not, whether you frequent ****** are not, my heart goes out to the families of the soldiers KIA or WIA on the video.

:RIP:

[Ichhabe]

For all it is worth; I do not watch the movies where Iraqi's, Americans, Russians or Chechens get killed.
Why? I don't have to do that. I feel no need to "learn" how the operate through watching a ****ty video shot from a distance.


But those of you who need to see this, you are corrupting yourself, video by video. Good luck!

[LordHalbert]

It wasn't a big deal folks.

It was just an explosion.

Sure somebody may have died (or may be not).

But I didn't see anything gory.

[Ayura]

Guys, when you take the piss out of allah and the prophet and anything to do with the islamic doctrine, please remember that you could be hurting any muslim members on this board.


I doubt you guys would take the piss out of God and Jesus if there was a Christian terrorism revolution.

[Undo]

Guys, when you take the piss out of allah and the prophet and anything to do with the islamic doctrine, please remember that you could be hurting any muslim members on this board.


I doubt you guys would take the piss out of God and Jesus if there was a Christian terrorism revolution.

This is not a forum for religious BS. If you want to post crap like this, maybe the political rants section would be a better place.

'I love God, its his fan club I can't stand.'

[GrimmyRX]

Why do you need to see that ****?

I would go so far and say that if you look at this just because your "curious", you support terrorism.



What, you're saving that you don't study video tapes of your enemies to see how they fight and how they train, et al?



Are you in the military, and if so; in such a position that you NEED to see that video?

If not :bash:

It just so happens that I AM in the military. Yes, I'm only a reservest, but I believe that in my own small way, I HAVE answered my nation's (which would be Canada) call to service.

Every Soldier should see something like this. helps to give good second hand experiance about gurilla tactics.

[Saranof]

Guys, when you take the piss out of allah and the prophet and anything to do with the islamic doctrine, please remember that you could be hurting any muslim members on this board.


I doubt you guys would take the piss out of God and Jesus if there was a Christian terrorism revolution.

This is not a forum for religious BS. If you want to post crap like this, maybe the political rants section would be a better place.

'I love God, its his fan club I can't stand.'

And so you shouldn't go "w00t kill em fockin' allah lovers I piss on their so called god jihad to them all!", following your lgic, yes?

This discussion is stupid. As mayn peopel have said, if it had been a video of Iraqi insurgents getting killed by an Apache, not many would complain.
They would however, say; "Good riddance, ****ing idiots!" or "haha, allah couldn't save you now mofo!"
Of course, none of these has admitted it. They say "I think it's horrible when both american, russian, chechnyan or iraqi people die"
Most of these people who write this and still want the vidoe taken down are liars. They just can't stand seeing a different side of a conflict.

If different voices hadn't been allowed, we wouldn't have heard of most of the war crimes that have occured.

It's not even a grafic video. So stop whining and shut up. That's what you often say.

[TALOS]

Guys, when you take the piss out of allah and the prophet and anything to do with the islamic doctrine, please remember that you could be hurting any muslim members on this board.


I doubt you guys would take the piss out of God and Jesus if there was a Christian terrorism revolution.
If christian terrorists were committting atrocities I would holler about that boyo. Although I disapprove of abortion I vehemently spoke out against the terrorists who attacked clinics and shot doctors in North america.
I have repeatedly said what my prob is, and thats that the muslim clerics dont stand up and condemn these acts. Attacking troops during time of war is one thing, but this is not a war, they are not a country, they do not represent the Iraqis or even the majority of chechens from what sources have been posted here but rather just a small minority in each theatre.
IF the islamic doctrine is to kill innocents and have that supported by the clerics then I will speak out, as that is terrorism just as the christian inquisition of the past was terrorism.

[NicNZ]

Attacking troops during time of war is one thing, but this is not a war, they are not a country, they do not represent the Iraqis or even the majority of chechens from what sources have been posted here but rather just a small minority in each theatre.

Personally I find it hard to imagine a situation where attacks on soldiers could legitimately be considered terrorist attacks. Even where such attacks take place "after" a significant conflict appears to have been resolved, determining when a war is "over" is fairly arbitrary. Different parties have different opinions as to whether a war is over; whether it has been won or lost.

It is obvious from numerous forum posts (and numerous recent political moves) that different people have different ideas of what constitutes terrorism. Certainly I consider some to be less legitimate than others...