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Seraphim
08-30-2003, 01:31 PM
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By IBRAHIM BARZAK, Associated Press Writer

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Israeli helicopters fired four missiles at a van traveling in the Gaza Strip (news - web sites) on Saturday, killing a Hamas field commander and his assistant, hospital officials and witnesses said.



The van had been moving slowly in heavy traffic — turning from a side road onto a main highway between two refugee camps, Nusseirat and Bureij — when it was hit and burst into flames, witnesses said.


Also Saturday, an official loyal to Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat (news - web sites) refused to step down from his post after the Cabinet, run by Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas, voted to replace him. It was seen as the latest in a power struggle between Abbas, who has the backing of the United States, and Arafat.


Arafat has repeatedly tried to undermine Abbas and the prime minister's authority has faded rapidly with the escalating violence. Saturday's missile strike seemed likely to further hurt his efforts to implement the U.S.-backed "road map" peace plan toward Palestinian statehood.


Two male bystanders, ages 40 and 45, were wounded by shrapnel in the missile strike, hospital officials said. Angry crowds gathered quickly around the car, chanting "God is great."


It was the fifth Israeli missile attack on a Hamas target in 10 days, apparently part of Israel's campaign against members of Palestinian militant groups.


"I was riding my bicycle toward my shop when I heard the sound of F-16s circling over my head," said a witness, Balal, who refused to give his last name. "Suddenly I saw the car coming from the side of the street, and a missile came and hit the car from the front, followed by another two."


He said a man who jumped from the Peugeot van was killed by a fourth missile. The other man in the car was "completely burned," he said.


Hospital officials identified the dead as Abdullah Akel, 37, and his assistant, Farid Mayet, 40. Akel was known as a leading field commander of the Hamas military wing in central Gaza. He had been jailed for his membership in Hamas during the first Palestinian uprising, between 1987 and 1993.


The Israeli army said Akel had fired mortar shells and homemade Qassam rockets at Israeli towns and Jewish settlements in the Gaza Strip, and was preparing to fire more rockets when he was killed.


Hamas members fired a Qassam rocket at the Israeli town of Ashkelon last week, prompting Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites) to order the military to take all steps to stop the attacks.


Dozens of Hamas activists gathered around the hospital in the Deir el-Balah refugee camp, vowing to avenge the latest strike. Palestinian boys stood on the pickup truck's rear roof, chanting "Hamas."


Israel stepped up its campaign against militants after an Aug. 19 Hamas suicide bombing on a Jerusalem bus that killed 21 people. Since then, Israel has killed 10 Hamas militants.


After the first two missile strikes, Hamas issued leaflets urging its members to wear disguises and move about less frequently to avoid becoming targets. Hamas leaders have turned off their cell phones and have largely stopped appearing at public events.


The Jerusalem suicide bombing, combined with Israel's missile strikes, has left the "road map" peace plan in tatters and destroyed a cease-fire that militant group declared on June 29.


Hamas has vowed to avenge the Israeli missile strikes, and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, a group loosely affiliated with Yasser Arafat's Fatah (news - web sites) movement, said a West Bank shooting attack it carried out on Friday was in revenge for Israeli "assassinations." A Jewish settler was killed in that shooting, and his pregnant wife was wounded.


Abbas has said Israel's missile strikes make it virtually impossible for him to crack down on militant groups — a demand in the peace plan — and his power is rapidly dissipating.





In Gaza, the head of the general personnel council, Mohammed Abu Sharia, refused to leave his post, and dozens of armed men surrounded his office in a show of support. Some carried pictures of a smiling Arafat flashing the victory sign.

The Cabinet replaced Abu Sharia, an Arafat ally, with Sakher Basseso on Wednesday. The general personnel council, a key administrative body, oversees Palestinian staff.

"I spoke with President Arafat and he told me, 'You stay in your place. No one can push you out,'" Abu Sharia said.

Basseso, governor of the northern Gaza Strip, didn't show up Saturday and refused to comment when reached by phone.

Arafat reluctantly appointed Abbas, his deputy in the PLO, to be the Palestinians' first prime minister in April under heavy pressure from Israel and the United States. They have refused to deal with Arafat and want an alternative leader.

Meanwhile, Palestinian Christians gathered at a monastery in the West Bank town of Bethlehem on Saturday to pray for peace. They called on Israel to halt construction of a fence that will cut through the West Bank with trenches, walled sections and coils of razor wire. Israel says the fence is meant to keep out suicide bombers.

Israel has finished construction of the first 90-mile stretch, which straddles the line between Israel and the northern West Bank. Israel plans to extend the barrier along the entire West Bank.

budanski
08-30-2003, 01:47 PM
At least the IAF didn't kill a donkey this time. They only blasted a Puegot van.


Angry crowds gathered quickly around the car, chanting, "God is great."

That's a mistranslation. The correct translation for what they were saying is, "Satan is great." or was it "an angry crowd from a nearby goat brothel gathered quickly around the car..." my arabic still a little rusty.

Let me get this straight: Palestinians believe that when they're incinerated by Jewish missiles it proves that God is great?

What? Will they demand that Palestine be made into a smouldering ruin to prove that God really, really cares?

hendrix33
08-30-2003, 02:13 PM
"Allah Huwa Akbar" (possible typos)

Allah is God, Huwa is IS (under this syntax), Akbar is Big/Great.

This is a common islamic phrase, often spoken by suicide bombers the moment before the go off. The mosques have high towers from where the Muwazyn (sort of preist) sings this Phrase every morning before dawn as part of their prayer.


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Four missile were fired at a car carrying two Hamas militants, killing them. Israeli sources indicate they were on the way to conduct Qassam Rocket firings.


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Palestinians crowd around the destroyed car attacked by a Israeli helicopter gunship in the Gaza August 30, 2003. An Israeli army helicopter fired several missiles at the car in the Gaza Strip on Saturday, killing two Hamas militants in the latest violence battering a U.S.-backed peace initiative. *******/Suhaib Salem

Is that their idea of an amusement park ?

ArmoredDov_D9
08-30-2003, 02:50 PM
Is that their idea of an amusement park ?
When they send their kids to play with explosives, don't be suprised.

For example, check this:
http://www.idf.il/newsite/english/0113-2.stm
http://www.idf.il/newsite/english/0106-3.stm

Also, Abu Mazen (Mahmoud Abbas) crticized the habit of paying Palestinian children to throw pipe-bomb over IDF forces, a habit that made 40 children handicapped, according to Abu Mazen.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?g=events/wl/080601mideast&a=&tmpl=sl&ns=&l=1&e=35&a=0
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A Palestinian boy holding a gun walks in front of masked and armed Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) militants during a rally in the Burej refugee camp in the Gaza Strip (news - web sites), Friday Aug. 29 2003. (AP Photo/Jerome Delay)

The terrorist killed today in the misssile strike were:
Abbedalla Aqal, a senior of Hamas's Aziz El Qassam brigades.
Farid Miyat, a terrorist and the henchman of Aqal.

Also, in the West Bank an armed terrorist on his way to make a murder was caught by MAGAV (Borders Guard) forces.

warchild1/27scout
08-30-2003, 03:20 PM
that is awesome. at this rate they could kill them all by christmas. :D

hendrix33
08-30-2003, 03:30 PM
Unfortunately, this is not the case. Every dead terrorist is being subsitued by another the same day. The dead terrorist becomes a Shahid (a Martyr), his family is being taken cared of (by money from Iran, donnations from Europe, Etc.).

The replacement head-terrorist is twice as motivated and dedicated than his previous, only due to the blaze and glory his precedor went.

Taking out terror leaders and "time bombs" IS effective. Especailly targeted hit's againt their "muhandees", engineers, explosive experts and rocket producers, which causes setbacks in the ongoing terror process.

As effective this method is, it will not be a usefll tool by itself alone.


I have a warning leafleat Hammas has issued to their leaders from Israeli assassination (translated to hebrew). I can translate it if anyone is interested.

ArmoredDov_D9
08-30-2003, 04:00 PM
Unfortunately, this is not the case. Every dead terrorist is being subsitued by another the same day. The dead terrorist becomes a Shahid (a Martyr), his family is being taken cared of (by money from Iran, donnations from Europe, Etc.).

The house demolition policy helped at reducing the effect of helping the family by killing Jews. More over, Saddam is down (hiding somewhere in the sands) and therefore one of their main source of terror-prizes has been cut down.


The replacement head-terrorist is twice as motivated and dedicated than his previous, only due to the blaze and glory his precedor went.

Taking out terror leaders and "time bombs" IS effective. Especailly targeted hit's againt their "muhandees", engineers, explosive experts and rocket producers, which causes setbacks in the ongoing terror process.
But they don't have experience.


As effective this method is, it will not be a usefll tool by itself alone.
I also think a large-scale ground operation in the Gaza strip is only a matter of time. Do you have any ideas how the IDF going to operate?

hendrix33
08-30-2003, 04:15 PM
Well, large-scale ground operation is a controversial decision.

Jennin has proved that operating without massive artillery and aerial bombardment, the casualties will soar.

All the European countries believed the palestinian reports of a genocide, and it took months to clear the lies about the mass graves were dug to hide thousands of dead civilians, while the true figure of palestinian deaths was in 50-something, rendering finally the palestinian lies groundless.

So going Infantry/armour alone is a bad solution on both hands:
Operational capabilities are limited due to lack of fire support (artillery, aerial), which results in large casualties figures. Jennin alone in "Defensive shield" operation tolled 23 IDF deaths and dozens injuries, mostly reservists.

On the other hand, the international condemnation will be enourmous, possibily to the point which would inflict severe economical consequenses.


Ground action in Gaza strip is something IDF managed to aviod. The palestinians are preparing and anticipating such an action for over a year. IDF must re-think the doctorine applied to "defensive shield", adding the operational lessons written in blood. More aggressive action in the matter of fire support is required, but means of minimizing civilian casaulties is important both on the moral and the international arena.

What I think is best playing for Israel at the current timing is the fact the the US is finally learning the true meaning of Terror in Iraq, and will hopefully give Israel the backup we need.

As always, time will tell.

warchild1/27scout
08-30-2003, 04:16 PM
i just wish the u.s. had the intel the isrealis are using. how in the hell do they know when a piece of **** terrorist says"hmm, im going out for a slurpie, and then BOOM. :lol:

ArmoredDov_D9
08-30-2003, 04:25 PM
So going Infantry/armour alone is a bad solution on both hands:
Operational capabilities are limited due to lack of fire support (artillery, aerial), which results in large casualties figures. Jennin alone in "Defensive shield" operation tolled 23 IDF deaths and dozens injuries, mostly reservists.

Jenin indeed was a hard case. In the aftermath, it were thr bulldozers who finished it up and save another bloodshed.
In other places, like Nablus, 78 Palestinian, mostly terrorist, were killed and no one peeped about it. Alone than Jenin, accoriding to IDF figures, Israel only suffered from 6 deaths.


On the other hand, the international condemnation will be enourmous, possibily to the point which would inflict severe economical consequenses.

Yes, the internationaal condemnation is a bigie. But I believe it will be minor this time.
The reasons:
1. The USA is sick of Hamas and getting close to elections. Bush could not tell his voters of "fighting terror" and denounce Israeli operations which are the escence of war against terror (WAT).
2. The European are tend to shut up now on this matters, since no one is listen to them anymore. This is, of course, expect the French, but a duct tape would fix the problem ;)
3. If Arafat will impeech Abu-Mazen, no one should resist.



IDF must re-think the doctorine applied to "defensive shield", adding the operational lessons written in blood. More aggressive action in the matter of fire support is required, but means of minimizing civilian casaulties is important both on the moral and the international arena.

What I think is best playing for Israel at the current timing is the fact the the US is finally learning the true meaning of Terror in Iraq, and will hopefully give Israel the backup we need.

As always, time will tell.

I agree. This time, the operation should be placed on the best fitted soldiers. Reservist should reinforce the West Bank or handle small villages. More thing to take note is that Gaza have a coastline...

txajas
08-30-2003, 04:58 PM
that is awesome. at this rate they could kill them all by christmas. :D

Yes... isn't genozide wonderful, oh wait....

ArmoredDov_D9
08-30-2003, 05:05 PM
Yes... isn't genozide wonderful, oh wait....
Since were Hamas terrorist became a nation?

Israel only target terrorists. Civilians are also get killed, but that is mainly due the fact that the terrorist are hiding among civilian population. Give me one big MOUT without civilians losses (and I don't mean some tiny SF operation).

StarvingStudent47
08-30-2003, 11:58 PM
i just wish the u.s. had the intel the isrealis are using. how in the hell do they know when a piece of **** terrorist says"hmm, im going out for a slurpie, and then BOOM. :lol:

On one side, I agree. Israeli intelligence on the location of terrorists is amazing. On the other side, it's worth remembering that Iraq is much, much larger than the West Bank.

And people are correct, that it is impossible to kill all members of Hamas because it's constantly recruiting. However, these targeted killings accomplish two major goals:

1) They take out the experienced members. Zealous newbies are still newbies, and the chances of their terrorist attacks being successful are much smaller.

2) In the end, these terrorist-killing campaigns bring the terrorist groups to the negotiating tables. The higher-ups in these terrorist organizations never want to become "martyrs" themselves. Ever wonder why the heads of Hamas all have grey hair? They send 19-year-olds to die with promises of Paradise, but I'm pretty sure they don't believe in that themselves. A similar terrorist-killing campaign forced Hamas and Islamic Jihad to sign the Hudna. Maybe another one will make them agree to disarm (if we can get rid of Arafat and let Abbas have the full powers he deserves as Palestinian PM).