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skyeye
11-14-2012, 06:34 PM
I seem to be posting re-posts lately, but I think this will be new to MP NET. If not: Sin Loi.

This is an outstanding collection of recent pictures from the Ho Chi Minh trail through Laos. I recommend exploring the entire site for more pics.

http://www.laosgpsmap.com/ho-chi-minh-trail-laos/

Agatharchides
11-14-2012, 07:14 PM
nice find, thumps up.

ljrmisty
11-14-2012, 08:18 PM
Excellent find. Thanks

w0nder
11-14-2012, 08:56 PM
very interesting thanks for posting

thounaojamtom
11-15-2012, 06:15 AM
Great pictures, really nice...thanks for the share.

T-5 Killer
11-15-2012, 01:12 PM
All I get from the link is

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"

:(

Connaught Ranger
11-15-2012, 01:51 PM
Same here:-

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skyeye
11-15-2012, 02:32 PM
Dang, doesn't work now for me either. It may be a problem at the site. EDIT: Just tried link in e-mail msg I got it from and get same result. Will check back from time to time.

Africanadian
11-16-2012, 12:01 PM
Worked OK for me, very interesting pics, would have loved to make that trip.

Peter Lloyd
03-24-2013, 02:28 AM
Just surfing for further info of the Ho Chi Minh Trail and came across this topic and thought you might like to see this article and photos which I recently added to my site:


Vietnam War Tank discovered on the Ho Chi Minh Trail in Laos

By Peter Alan Lloyd (http://peteralanlloyd.com/author/peterlloyd/)
Back Part 2 (http://peteralanlloyd.com/category/back-part-2/) General (http://peteralanlloyd.com/category/back-part-2/general/) General News (http://peteralanlloyd.com/category/general-news/)
2 days ago


http://peteralanlloyd.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Attapeu-UXO_110.jpg
Recently, some road upgrading works in Attapeu Province in Laos were being carried out on a road that used to form part of the Ho Chi Minh Trail during the Vietnam War.
The North Vietnamese Army and the Viet Cong used the Ho Chi Minh Trail to move men, weapons and supplies from North Vietnam through Laos, Cambodia and into South Vietnam, often under the cover of dense, triple-canopy jungle, which mostly hid the Trail from US bombing.



This is on www.peteralanlloyd.com (http://www.peteralanlloyd.com) with more photos.

Regards.

Wally1967
03-24-2013, 02:44 AM
G'day Peter Lloyd welcome to MPnet.
Interesting
Thanks for posting.

Peter Lloyd
03-24-2013, 02:45 AM
PS - I've just read the stuff on Hotlinking and read a warning, so before I get into trouble let me confirm this is from MY OWN site, and I have given myself the necessary permission.

Thanks.

Peter Lloyd
03-24-2013, 02:47 AM
MY pleasure - this is a great site and I am looking forward to using it for more photo research, and adding anything of relevance where I can.

Best wishes,

Peter

Portugal 1143
03-24-2013, 10:08 AM
Fascinating stuff! woot

uktabber
03-24-2013, 04:54 PM
I seem to be posting re-posts lately, but I think this will be new to MP NET. If not: Sin Loi.

This is an outstanding collection of recent pictures from the Ho Chi Minh trail through Laos. I recommend exploring the entire site for more pics.

http://www.laosgpsmap.com/ho-chi-minh-trail-laos/


WOW, thanks for the link, that was very cool to see!! NICE Find mate.........

I went through the whole site and looked at his catalog of pictures and "spots" along the trail and his historical references to what went on there and who was flying what plane based on the chunk of airplane he had hold of or whatever, amazing piece of historical work!! This is a must see, tons of photos and history of what went on where and who was involved...... If you want a good follow on, and want to read the story about the USAF pilot, Lance Sijan who was dropping bombs over the Ban Loboy Ford which he talks about in the link, get the book: "Into the Mouth of the Cat" Very good story about this very place where he goes on this motorcycle trip.

Peter Lloyd
03-24-2013, 08:32 PM
This is another photo article on my site about a recent trip up a remote part of the Ho Chi Minh Trail in Laos:

Finding a U.S. MIA Camp in the Jungles of Laos – Part 1

with old and new Ho CHi Minh Trail photos: http://peteralanlloyd.com/general-news/discovering-a-real-us-mia-camp-in-laos-part-1/

Peter Lloyd
03-25-2013, 11:39 PM
Another modern-day Ho CHi Minh Trail-related story, and I'd be grateful if someone could identify the item of UXO alleged to be a "phosphorous bomb" at the end!

Thanks.

Beautiful But Deadly: White Phosphorous Bombs



By Peter Alan Lloyd (http://peteralanlloyd.com/author/peterlloyd/)
Back Part 2 (http://peteralanlloyd.com/category/back-part-2/) Photo Stories (http://peteralanlloyd.com/category/back-part-2/photos-back-part-2/)
3 mins ago


http://peteralanlloyd.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Plane-drops-a-white-phosphorus-bomb-on-a-Viet-Cong-postion-in-1966.-USAF-585x454.jpg


Nicknamed ‘Wille Pete” in Vietnam, White Phosphorous was mostly used to mark targets, as it created brilliant white smoke that could be seen from a long way off.

The rest of the story is here: http://peteralanlloyd.com/back-part-2/beautiful-but-deadly-white-phosphorous-bombs/

Marsch
03-26-2013, 04:39 PM
Another modern-day Ho CHi Minh Trail-related story, and I'd be grateful if someone could identify the item of UXO alleged to be a "phosphorous bomb" at the end!

I'd say it's either an 6lb AN-M69 or an 10lb AN-M74 napalm bomb (also includes white phosphorus and magnesia). Can't make out the size on the photo but I'd say it's the 10lb version. Interesting is that this type of ordnance was actually used in WWII and the Korean War but AFAIK not in the Vietnam war during the US employment. I know that at the beginning of the Vietnam war there were difficulties in getting enough bombs and all kind of more or less obsolete WWII ordnance was pulled out of the storages. An other idea would be that it was used by the Brits or the French before th US engagement but I'm not sure if they ever dropped bombs in this area or even used this type of ordnance.

Peter Lloyd
03-26-2013, 07:19 PM
I'd say it's either an 6lb AN-M69 or an 10lb AN-M74 napalm bomb (also includes white phosphorus and magnesia). Can't make out the size on the photo but I'd say it's the 10lb version. Interesting is that this type of ordnance was actually used in WWII and the Korean War but AFAIK not in the Vietnam war during the US employment. I know that at the beginning of the Vietnam war there were difficulties in getting enough bombs and all kind of more or less obsolete WWII ordnance was pulled out of the storages. An other idea would be that it was used by the Brits or the French before th US engagement but I'm not sure if they ever dropped bombs in this area or even used this type of ordnance.

I continue to be astounded at the depth of knowledge on this forum. A fantastic reply. Many thanks.

The munition was dropped near Salavan, Laos, and there were also a lot of cluster bomblets and AA and anti-tank rounds found nearby, and it wasn't a large piece of land they were searching. For the guy to be so very wary of it suggested a lot had been unearthed, and I bet even if the French had dropped it they wouldn't have done so in such great numbers, so I think it was from the US conflict.

I know the French were napalming the Vietnamese well before the US war, but this was inside Laos and I don't think they were doing it there, so your first theory might be right. It was about 18 inches long, maybe 2 foot, by the way.

Thanks again.

Marsch
03-26-2013, 08:10 PM
It actually has nothing to do with knowledge at least in this case. The answer is the simple result of Google search with "hexagonal shape incendiary bomb" as search terms.

Btw, both types were about 19.5 inches long and about three inches in diameter.

Peter Lloyd
05-14-2013, 07:41 PM
200745

More modern-day Ho Chi Minh Trail UXO photos: http://peteralanlloyd.com/back-part-2/uxo-unexploded-bombs-in-the-jungles-of-attapeu-laos/

Peter Lloyd
05-14-2013, 07:45 PM
And here:

200746

http://peteralanlloyd.com/back-part-2/photo-story-uxo-from-the-battle-for-salavan-laos-when-air-america-and-the-cia-fell-out/ (http://peteralanlloyd.com/back-part-2/photo-story-uxo-from-the-battle-for-salavan-laos-when-air-america-and-the-cia-fell-out/)

AIG
05-14-2013, 08:15 PM
What kind of an aircraft carried a fuel-tank this large?
http://www.laosgpsmap.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/fuel-pod.jpg

Peter Lloyd
05-15-2013, 10:20 AM
What kind of an aircraft carried a fuel-tank this large?
http://www.laosgpsmap.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/fuel-pod.jpg

Probably a B-52?

Peter Lloyd
06-06-2013, 08:50 PM
How to blow yourself up with a Vietnam War Cluster Bomb in Laos:

http://peteralanlloyd.com/back-part-2/how-to-blow-yourself-up-with-vietnam-war-cluster-bombs-in-laos/

202280

AIG
06-07-2013, 12:07 AM
Probably a B-52?

Seems too small for a B-52 tank, plus seems the wrong shape. I've never seen fins like that. Anyone have a clue?

LineDoggie
06-07-2013, 12:20 AM
What kind of an aircraft carried a fuel-tank this large?
http://www.laosgpsmap.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/fuel-pod.jpglooks more like an F-105 Centerline tank 650 gallon EDIT: Definitely a F-105 Centerline drop tank

Marsch
06-07-2013, 09:25 AM
I wouldn't be so sure about it. First there's the size. Do you really believe that this thing would fit under a Thud? I doubt it. Besides that the fins on the center drop tanks of the F-105 had swept fins while the ones here are straight.

picanha the second
06-07-2013, 09:35 AM
Many years ago I was in Laos and also visited the fields of jars. The colums at the entrance of our guesthouse were huge defunct? bombs. Did also a few jungle trips and visited the Bolavan Plateau east of Pakse (south) which if I'm not mistaken was also part of the HCM trail.

Marsch
06-07-2013, 09:46 AM
Plain of jars and Bolaven Plateau...please. ;)

LineDoggie
06-07-2013, 09:52 AM
I wouldn't be so sure about it. First there's the size. Do you really believe that this thing would fit under a Thud? I doubt it. Besides that the fins on the center drop tanks of the F-105 had swept fins while the ones here are straight.http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h222/linedoggie/MP%20Net/centerlinetank_zpsd56f6e55.png

Marsch
06-07-2013, 09:57 AM
Ok but still to large IMO.

AIG
06-07-2013, 04:30 PM
Ok but still to large IMO.
No seems right to me. I don't know if you'e ever been next to an F-105, but the thing is gigantic, so we're talking about a tank that's about 8m long.

Marsch
06-10-2013, 05:09 PM
Really? I always got the impresssion that they were relatively small. Smaller then lets say an F-4?

Breakfast in Vegas
06-10-2013, 05:14 PM
Really? I always got the impresssion that they were relatively small. Smaller then lets say an F-4?They are about the same size as a F4, but F4s aren't exactly small either. Both are about 65 feet/19m long.

commanding
06-10-2013, 05:25 PM
in the OP link there are a lot of photos, the two photos of what are labeled as a 'G.I. helmet" do not appear to be helmets used by the U.S. forces in the Vietnam era conflict to my knowledge.....linedoggie may know the type of helmet they are, but the look like perhaps to be Russian or Chinese helmets to my limited knowledge of helmet design of that period the Ho trail was in use:
http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o565/commanding13/helmet_zpsc3a024f5.jpg (http://s1148.photobucket.com/user/commanding13/media/helmet_zpsc3a024f5.jpg.html)

and:
http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o565/commanding13/helmet-flower_zps006a7427.jpg (http://s1148.photobucket.com/user/commanding13/media/helmet-flower_zps006a7427.jpg.html)

The downward curve of the sides of the helmet, and what appears to be two rivets on the side.... is not like US steel helmets of the era, IMO. Perhaps a Czech M53?