What if Israel was never established?

[S'13]

What if Zionist European Jews had never come to seattle the Land of Israel at the end of the 19th century in order to establish a Jewish homeland?

This is what in my opinion:
In 1917 the British take over Palestine because of its strategic location and end 400 years of Ottoman rule. Whatever is not deserst land is mainly swamp land (remember, the Jews never came so there was no one to dry them up). The land is scarcely populated in many areas and stays this way since the economic growth that was brought by Jews had never occured and so the immigration of Arabs into that land also didn't occur.
The British however try to help develop the land and to some degree succeed. The British mandate ends in the late 40's.
The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan is established on both banks of the Jordan river.
Both Syria and Egypt are in conflict with Jordan and try many times to take over parts of the country so that they could expand their strategic hold in the ME. Especially Egypt that wants a hold over all the Gulf of Aqabah, mostly so that it could build an oil pipe line with Saudi Arabia.
At some point in time a part of the non Beduin citizens of Jordan (who in our world are refferd to as "Palestinians") do not feel they should hold any loyalty to the Jordanian royal family and uprise while their goal is to join to Syria (they see themselves more as Syrians and don't have their own identity).
In the civil war they are helped by the Syrians but are still defeated, scores are massacred to a point where over 90% of Jordan's population is only Beduin.
These events of course do not get much attention by world media. p-)

Only when one or another of the Arab states invades another oil rich Arab state or there is unrest in those countries does it get any attention, the West (mainly U.S and Britian) become involved in these cases and build a military presence in the ME. Something that with the exapantion of Western culture and the existence of pro West totalitarian governments draws a lot of hate by many Arabs and Muslims... Islamic terrorism even existes in this world, a world without Israel.

There are a lot of other factors that can be taken into consideration, like the Cold War and so on... But I could write for hours and not even scratch the surfice.

[Roktiken]

Then ALLAH ACKBAR

[username]

we can only begin to imagine what the world would have been like if a Jewish state had never been created in this era, it's a good question and somthing to think about. P.S Roktiken, please don't start a flame war

[One?]

bediouns are not palestinians. Bediouns still live as if they were living in 400BC.

[Roktiken]

we can only begin to imagine what the world would have been like if a Jewish state had never been created in this era, it's a good question and somthing to think about. P.S Roktiken, please don't start a flame war

I hardly was trying to, I was just trying to say that if Israel was never created then the Muslim nations would of erupted in great joy...and chances are the world wouldent be suffering from terrorism.

[BarkingSquirrel]

What if Israel was never established?
The Palestinians would just be blowing someone else up on a regular basis.

[StarvingStudent47]

we can only begin to imagine what the world would have been like if a Jewish state had never been created in this era, it's a good question and somthing to think about. P.S Roktiken, please don't start a flame war

I hardly was trying to, I was just trying to say that if Israel was never created then the Muslim nations would of erupted in great joy...and chances are the world wouldent be suffering from terrorism.

I wholeheartedly disagree. I believe terrorism would still exist, and it would exist just as ferociously. Perhaps more so for the USA and Europe because jihadists wouldn't be distracted by the infidels next door.

I mean, let's think about this for a second. Israel has never occupied Saudi Arabia, nor has it even ever come into military conflict with Saudi Arabia. Yet where is Bin Laden from? Where were the vast majority of 9/11 hijackers from?

Don't forget, Bin Laden wasn't solely motivated by US support for Israel. He has always spoken at great lengths about the presence of ANY non-Muslims in the Middle East. He has demanded that the USA convert to Islam. He has talked about the licensiousness and ****** perversion of our culture. He and his followers will not stop until the entire world is like Taliban Afghanistan. And the absence of Israel would not change that.

I also wouldn't be surprised if, absent Israel, Turkey would find itself in the situation that Israel is now in. They're not an Arab country; they've had long-standing ties with the USA; Kemalists are extraordinarily secular. None of these things would please the Yassins and Bin Ladens of the world.

[username]

What if Israel was never established?
The Palestinians would just be blowing someone else up on a regular basis.

BarkingSquirrel please stop mistaking your mouth for your ass because you are talking **** again.

[BarkingSquirrel]

Hey, if you can do it, then so can I.

Besides, you can't say what's bull**** and what's not in a hypothetical situation.

[StarvingStudent47]

What if Israel was never established?
The Palestinians would just be blowing someone else up on a regular basis.

BarkingSquirrel please stop mistaking your mouth for your ass because you are talking **** again.
Replace "the Palestinians" with "the PLO" and it's guaranteed accurate. Remember that the PLO waged war against Lebanese Christians. Remember that the PLO waged war against the government of Jordan...before the 1967 War!

If there was no Israel, it is likely that "Trans-Jordan" would control the entire area, and we'd all be talking about the PLO separatist terrorists in western Trans-Jordan.

[Herrmannek]

Thye would take Poland and say that polish nation never existed :) jk

[walford]

Hey, if you can do it, then so can I. Besides, you can't say what's bull**** and what's not in a hypothetical situation.

Now, now. To even intimate that anywhere near the violence would exist regardless of Israel's existence is truly a racist sentiment. Shame! :bash:

We all know very well that an absence of Israel would have made all of the difference in the world. It's certainly arguable whether there'd be a Palestinian State. After all, none had ever existed before. 'Palestine' is a name the Romans gave to the Land Formerly Known as Israel after the Temple was destroyed and the Jews were cast into the diaspora in AD 70. Then the al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock was constructed within the walls of the former Temple, making it even more Holy.

After that, the area changed hands several times under various Caliphates, then ended up as a province under the Ottoman Sultan -- agaist whom the Palestinians were rioting under as well, by the way.

As we all know the various sects of Islam get along peacefully together and are very tolerant of religious speculation and dissent within their ranks. Very few of them think that they are practicing the correct sect of the One True Religion worshipping the One True God.

They most certainly do not believe that the only reason we were born is to secure our place in the Afterlife. So there would be no reason for them to kill those who do not practice their religion, because they hold that as finite beings we should not presume to speak or act on behalf of the Almighty, much less kill.

Thus we can easily say that if the State of Israel had never existed:
- all of the nations of the region would be living in peace, freedom and prosperity.
- female rape victims would not require 4 male witnesses to testify against her accuser and she would not be subject to death by stoning if she failed to secure a conviction
- Mecca Cola would be available in vending machines all over the world

Given all this, all of the peace-loving nations of the world should join the United States in precipitously withdrawing from Iraq and Afghanistan and band together to dismantle Israel as soon as possible -- with a minimal loss of life, of course.

[S'13]

bediouns are not palestinians.

No doubt about it, and as you can see I refferd to the clash that would have occured between tha Palestinians and the Beouins in Jordan if Israel was not born.

[Saranof]

I still find statebuilding on the basis of religion appauling.

[S'13]

I still find statebuilding on the basis of religion appauling.

The state of Israel was established on the basis of national identity... As did most of the countries on this earth.

You see it as appauling while we see it to be our salvation.

[cut]

You shouldn't underestimate the affect of Israel in the middle east, one thing that is for sure that the US would have far more friends in the middle east. Saudi Arabia has only ever had one sore point with the US, Israel. The fact that the Israel/arab conflict would ease a lot of tensions elsewhere. Countries like Iran would have been more willing to work with the US if the ties to Israels hadn't been there.

On the other hand all the holiest sites in the world would be in arab hands.

[S'13]

Saudi Arabia has only ever had one sore point with the US, Israel.

You mean the Saudi monarchy :lol:

As for the people... Their kind of pissed that there is a U.S military and business presence in the Persian Gulf. Not to mention their revulsion of Western culture.


Countries like Iran would have been more willing to work with the US if the ties to Israels hadn't been there.

Remember that they reffer to the U.S as the "great Satan" while we are merely the "little Satan" you can get the picture. ;)

And again these are not the people that we are talking about but the regime.

If the Iranian people do have a sour point with the U.S, it would be the raising of the Shah to power by Britain and the U.S and them backing him. Something which brought the Iranian revolution and caused a lot of hatred towards the West in the first place.


On the other hand all the holiest sites in the world would be in arab hands.


And there wouldn't be one single democracy in the ME.

[Sayeret]

I hardly was trying to, I was just trying to say that if Israel was never created then the Muslim nations would of erupted in great joy...and chances are the world wouldent be suffering from terrorism.

Terrorism would still exist because it existed hundreds of years before the creation of Israel just in different forms than today. The reason the Al Qaeda is attacking the USA is because they hate the how America gives rights to women and have freedom and basic pillars of what make the US a Democracy. Thats why they call the US the "Great Satan" and not Israel that because their target is the US not Israel.

[cut]

Saudi Arabia has only ever had one sore point with the US, Israel.

You mean the Saudi monarchy :lol:

As for the people... Their kind of pissed that there is a U.S military and business presence in the Persian Gulf. Not to mention their revulsion of Western culture.


[quote]Countries like Iran would have been more willing to work with the US if the ties to Israels hadn't been there.

Remember that they reffer to the U.S as the "great Satan" while we are merely the "little Satan" you can get the picture. ;)

And again these are not the people that we are talking about but the regime.

If the Iranian people do have a sour point with the U.S, it would be the raising of the Shah to power by Britain and the U.S and them backing him. Something which brought the Iranian revolution and caused a lot of hatred towards the West in the first place.

most of the reason that they are so hated is because they chose to side with Israel.




On the other hand all the holiest sites in the world would be in arab hands.


And there wouldn't be one single democracy in the ME.

there is now? :P

[big80a2]

IMO
if there was Israel but no oil it was peace.
if there was oil and no Israel there is war.
if there was no oil and no Israel there was peace
if there was Israel and oil there is war.

seems oil is a bigger factor then Israel...
BLACK GOLD countdown to 2050...

[S'13]

Saudi Arabia has only ever had one sore point with the US, Israel.

You mean the Saudi monarchy :lol:

As for the people... Their kind of pissed that there is a U.S military and business presence in the Persian Gulf. Not to mention their revulsion of Western culture.


[quote]Countries like Iran would have been more willing to work with the US if the ties to Israels hadn't been there.

Remember that they reffer to the U.S as the "great Satan" while we are merely the "little Satan" you can get the picture. ;)

And again these are not the people that we are talking about but the regime.

If the Iranian people do have a sour point with the U.S, it would be the raising of the Shah to power by Britain and the U.S and them backing him. Something which brought the Iranian revolution and caused a lot of hatred towards the West in the first place.

most of the reason that they are so hated is because they chose to side with Israel.


Maybe it is part of the reason but it isn't the main reason. The Muslim terrorists hate Western interference, the support of Israel may be a part of it. But there is also the support for pro West totalitarian Arab regimes, the expansion of Western culture, Western military presence in the ME and so on... All of these are factors. Israel isn't the main reason for Islamic-terrorism.

When the Muslim Brotherhood murderd Sadat, they published a paper which stated why he was murderd. The fact that he agreed to peace with Israel wasn't even at the top of the list but rather the fact that he had built strong connections with the West.



And there wouldn't be one single democracy in the ME.


there is now?

Lets see... Israel is a parliamentary democracy and is in the ME. However there is no other parliamentry democracy anyhwere near it. What do you think? :lol:

[username]

You shouldn't underestimate the affect of Israel in the middle east, one thing that is for sure that the US would have far more friends in the middle east. Saudi Arabia has only ever had one sore point with the US, Israel. The fact that the Israel/arab conflict would ease a lot of tensions elsewhere. Countries like Iran would have been more willing to work with the US if the ties to Israels hadn't been there.

On the other hand all the holiest sites in the world would be in arab hands.

The reason israel is at odd's with most of the Arab world is because of the US, I am not saying that they are the sole reason, but it makes a big difference. The US uses israel as a base to control the activities of Arab countries. For example in the early 70's when Jordan was attacking the palestinians, Syria was planning on getting involved to help the palestinians. The us government used israel to stop it by using an airforce. They did and for that the US paid them in aid. They have been doing this for a long time and it is part of the reason that israel is given something like $9 billion(correct me if im wrong) every few years to spend on military hardware so long as it's form american companies.

[walford]

I still find statebuilding on the basis of religion appauling.The state of Israel was established on the basis of national identity... As did most of the countries on this earth.You see it as appauling while we see it to be our salvation.

The various progroms against Jews during the centuries they were in the diaspora were enough to convince many that they would not survive as a people if left to the tender mercies of their hosts. This became more and more apparent, so during the early 19th century a movement began to take shape to establish a homeland. [This is the evil racist Zionism we hear so much about.]

A number of places were considered, but many European Jews began to purchase land in the Ottoman province of Palestine. Hitler's Final Solution was enough to convince the Jews that they must formally declare a state of their own. Otherwise they would continue to exist at the pleasure of others.

Obviously it is unreasonable that a small sliver of the world should be claimed by a people for the selfish sake of their own survival. Israel should be wiped out.

[moughoun]

I still find statebuilding on the basis of religion appauling.The state of Israel was established on the basis of national identity... As did most of the countries on this earth.You see it as appauling while we see it to be our salvation.

The various progroms against Jews during the centuries they were in the diaspora were enough to convince many that they would not survive as a people if left to the tender mercies of their hosts. This became more and more apparent, so during the early 19th century a movement began to take shape to establish a homeland. [This is the evil racist Zionism we hear so much about.]

A number of places were considered, but many European Jews began to purchase land in the Ottoman province of Palestine. Hitler's Final Solution was enough to convince the Jews that they must formally declare a state of their own. Otherwise they would continue to exist at the pleasure of others.

Obviously it is unreasonable that a small sliver of the world should be claimed by a people for the selfish sake of their own survival. Israel should be wiped out.

Walford you make good point's is there really a need for the "satire" wehave enough of it from other ppl, can you not just be constructive :|

[walford]

is there really a need for the "satire" wehave enough of it from other ppl, can you not just be constructive

I tried that. See p. 2 & 3 of this thread.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=24703&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=16

Given the reactions it precipitated, being 'constructive' is apparently arrogant. I have thus decided that I have been wrong all of these years and must join the ranks of the Enlightened who need not trifle with such banalities as logic, reason, evidence, sourcing, etc. I may have been reading and writing at a college level since the early '70s, but at the core -- as you have correctly offered -- I am essentially a pseudo-intellectual.

Given that no merit has been found in my material, it is obvious that I'm just not qualified to do other than give assent to the Illuminati's superior wisdom, while illustrating the folly of the cretins who oppose them.

[moughoun]

is there really a need for the "satire" wehave enough of it from other ppl, can you not just be constructive

I tried that. See p. 2 & 3 of this thread.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=24703&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=16

Given the reactions it precipitated, being 'constructive' is apparently arrogant. I have thus decided that I have been wrong all of these years and must join the ranks of the Enlightened who need not trifle with such banalities as logic, reason, evidence, sourcing, etc. I may have been reading and writing at a college level since the early '70s, but at the core -- as you have correctly offered -- I am essentially a pseudo-intellectual.

Given that no merit has been found in my material, it is obvious that I'm just not qualified to do other than give assent to the Illuminati's superior wisdom, while illustrating the folly of the cretins who oppose them.

Ok, your choice :|

[Durandal]

The reason israel is at odd's with most of the Arab world is because of the US, I am not saying that they are the sole reason, but it makes a big difference. The US uses israel as a base to control the activities of Arab countries. For example in the early 70's when Jordan was attacking the palestinians, Syria was planning on getting involved to help the palestinians. The us government used israel to stop it by using an airforce. They did and for that the US paid them in aid. They have been doing this for a long time and it is part of the reason that israel is given something like $9 billion(correct me if im wrong) every few years to spend on military hardware so long as it's form american companies.

Ok, you are wrong.

The correction...its all there in the history books. Israel and the Middle East was part of the Cold War. The Soviet Union supporting Egypt, Jordan, and Syria and the the United States supporting Israel.

Israel has NEVER really done our bidding and the support that comes from the United States is not so much our nation's gains in the Middle East as it is special interest satisfaction.

The establishment of a Jewish State (and to me this is not so much a religious issue as it is an ethnic/cultural one) was important for several groups in a post-World War II environment.

If Israel had not been established there, the nations of that region would simply have no focal point and still be at conflict with each other. Someone else would be oppressing the Palestinians. There would still be radical Islamic fundamentalists and they would be involved in campaigns of terror in the far east, southern Russia, Turkey and parts of Europe. The oil is there, so that issue would not changes, along with the world's dependence upon it. Saudi Arabia would still have a VERY small ruling class that would have a tentative peace with the religious leaders of that nation. Israel is simply a focal point currently. None of its neighbors share anything resembling friendship with each other and united against a simple cause simply because of their hatred. The Hypocrisy of the purpose in supporting the Palestinians is revealed by their treatment of more than 50% of the other Palestinians found within their own borders.

I think the world made a mistake in designating Palestine as Israel. I think the Jews made a mistake too in their earlier migration. I understand why, I do not agree that the cost is smaller than the gains though.

I think Northern Japan would have been perfect. :)

[moughoun]

The reason israel is at odd's with most of the Arab world is because of the US, I am not saying that they are the sole reason, but it makes a big difference. The US uses israel as a base to control the activities of Arab countries. For example in the early 70's when Jordan was attacking the palestinians, Syria was planning on getting involved to help the palestinians. The us government used israel to stop it by using an airforce. They did and for that the US paid them in aid. They have been doing this for a long time and it is part of the reason that israel is given something like $9 billion(correct me if im wrong) every few years to spend on military hardware so long as it's form american companies.

Ok, you are wrong.

The correction...its all there in the history books. Israel and the Middle East was part of the Cold War. The Soviet Union supporting Egypt, Jordan, and Syria and the the United States supporting Israel.

Israel has NEVER really done our bidding and the support that comes from the United States is not so much our nation's gains in the Middle East as it is special interest satisfaction.

The establishment of a Jewish State (and to me this is not so much a religious issue as it is an ethnic/cultural one) was important for several groups in a post-World War II environment.

If Israel had not been established there, the nations of that region would simply have no focal point and still be at conflict with each other. Someone else would be oppressing the Palestinians. There would still be radical Islamic fundamentalists and they would be involved in campaigns of terror in the far east, southern Russia, Turkey and parts of Europe. The oil is there, so that issue would not changes, along with the world's dependence upon it. Saudi Arabia would still have a VERY small ruling class that would have a tentative peace with the religious leaders of that nation. Israel is simply a focal point currently. None of its neighbors share anything resembling friendship with each other and united against a simple cause simply because of their hatred. The Hypocrisy of the purpose in supporting the Palestinians is revealed by their treatment of more than 50% of the other Palestinians found within their own borders.

I think the world made a mistake in designating Palestine as Israel. I think the Jews made a mistake too in their earlier migration. I understand why, I do not agree that the cost is smaller than the gains though.

I think Northern Japan would have been perfect. :)

Yes, but Northern Japan, isn't a God promised land :| , no if Isreal wasn't there they would be fighting for some other reason

[Durandal]

Yes, but Northern Japan, isn't a God promised land :| , no if Isreal wasn't there they would be fighting for some other reason

That was joke. The serious commentary came before that.

[Mr. Nielsen]

I think Northern Japan would have been perfect. :)

Well, surely we wouldn't have seen fewer suicide bombs... kind of an established tactic there.

[Gatling]

S'13

The state of Israel was established on the basis of national identity... As did most of the countries on this earth. Okay , but wasn't the common denominator based on the religion? I think it's their suffering and the fact that people fom the jewish faith were singled out under the 3rd reich that brought them together, but , IMO a jewish person from ukraine, france or italy had very little in common.Or am I wrong?

[Durandal]

I think Northern Japan would have been perfect. :)

Well, surely we wouldn't have seen fewer suicide bombs... kind of an established tactic there.

Huh?

[moughoun]

I think Northern Japan would have been perfect. :)

Well, surely we wouldn't have seen fewer suicide bombs... kind of an established tactic there.

Huh?

He mean's the Japanese "practice" of suicidel warfare

[Durandal]

He mean's the Japanese "practice" of suicidel warfare

Yeah its been REALLY common place the last 60 years. rofl

Japan is probably one of the single most religious tolerant nations int he world today...to the point of idiocy almost.

[BarkingSquirrel]

Hey, if you can do it, then so can I. Besides, you can't say what's bull**** and what's not in a hypothetical situation.

Now, now. To even intimate that anywhere near the violence would exist regardless of Israel's existence is truly a racist sentiment. Shame! :bash:Sure I could have worded it better, but the point still stands. Israel or not, every country would still be doing exactly what it is currently doing, except with a country other than Israel. Nobody there, or anywhere, truly wants peace. If they had, it would have happened by now.

Haters always find someone else to hate.

Oh, and everyone is racist to some degree, it's human nature. Good job pretending you're not.

[StarvingStudent47]

I think Northern Japan would have been perfect. :)

Well, surely we wouldn't have seen fewer suicide bombs... kind of an established tactic there.

Huh?

He mean's the Japanese "practice" of suicidel warfare

Mr. Nielsen: Whether you're talking about the kamikaze of the Mongol invasions, or the kamikaze of WWII, Japanese suicide fighters targeted military, not civilian targets ;)

[walford]

Israel or not, every country would still be doing exactly what it is currently doing, except with a country other than Israel. Nobody there, or anywhere, truly wants peace. If they had, it would have happened by now. Haters always find someone else to hate. Oh, and everyone is racist to some degree, it's human nature. Good job pretending you're not.

Oh, no! When the Arabs for example conduct a suicide bombing in a pizzeria and then make a diorama of the aftermath later -- including fake body parts -- that's not hatred. http://www.gamla.org.il/english/feature/sbarro.htm
Such acts are the expression of desperation which is perfectly understandable.

Now some would say that the Arabs could have pursued a mutually beneficial relationship with the European Jews when they settled in Palestine in the late 19th and early 20th century. They were bringing institutions such as market economics, limited government, etc.

Further they would argue the Arabs have huge amount of territory that the [in North Africa, the Eastern Mediterranean, the Arabian peninsula, etc]. They could have been magnanimous and allow the Jews to have a small homeland for themselves -- especially given that their survival as a people was at stake.

The fact that they did not is proof positive that the Arabs are a peace-loving people and would be living in harmony with each other if Israel did not exist.

[BarkingSquirrel]

It's understandable to walk into a pizzeria and blow up innocent people? Congrats, you ended this debate due to stupidity.

[OB Kenobi]

I still find statebuilding on the basis of religion appauling.

The state of Israel was established on the basis of national identity... As did most of the countries on this earth.

National identity? Do not Jews and Christians still claim that Israel is the "Holy Land"? That's way beyond simply "national identity." Did you even know that it was proposed that the Jews be given Ethopia, rather than Israel originally? It was obvious even back then that resurrecting Israel would cause problems.

Israel was resurrected thanks to the UK and UN, it is an artificial state, like much of the middle-east today. Everyone in the middle-east is a victim of British colonialism and social experimentation. But the Jews must realize this, instead of thinking the world owes them anything more.

We will not defend your phony religious claims any more than those of the Muslims, Christians, Hindus or anyone else. You have absolutely no right to make demands based on your religions.

[walford]

...It was obvious even back then that resurrecting Israel would cause problems.

Israel was resurrected thanks to the UK and UN, it is an artificial state, like much of the middle-east today. Everyone in the middle-east is a victim of British colonialism and social experimentation. But the Jews must realize this, instead of thinking the world owes them anything more...
The current circumstances call for either facilitating [or at least not interfering with] Israel's protection or its destruction. There really is no middle ground possible on this issue. To allow the status quo to continue to fester indefinitely is impossible and cruel.

This is my proposal:
http://utopia-unmasked.us/ArabIsraeli.htm

What's yours? Anyone?

[Moledet]

Israel or not, every country would still be doing exactly what it is currently doing, except with a country other than Israel. Nobody there, or anywhere, truly wants peace. If they had, it would have happened by now. Haters always find someone else to hate. Oh, and everyone is racist to some degree, it's human nature. Good job pretending you're not.

Oh, no! When the Arabs for example conduct a suicide bombing in a pizzeria and then make a diorama of the aftermath later -- including fake body parts -- that's not hatred. http://www.gamla.org.il/english/feature/sbarro.htm
Such acts are the expression of desperation which is perfectly understandable.

Now some would say that the Arabs could have pursued a mutually beneficial relationship with the European Jews when they settled in Palestine in the late 19th and early 20th century. They were bringing institutions such as market economics, limited government, etc.

Further they would argue the Arabs have huge amount of territory that the [in North Africa, the Eastern Mediterranean, the Arabian peninsula, etc]. They could have been magnanimous and allow the Jews to have a small homeland for themselves -- especially given that their survival as a people was at stake.

The fact that they did not is proof positive that the Arabs are a peace-loving people and would be living in harmony with each other if Israel did not exist.
rofl rofl rofl
When the Jews came here the Arabs didn't welcome them in peace, they started a war against them, I'm not talking about 1948 war, but about 1920-1948 clashes. The Jewish settlements got attacked almost every night by the Arabian gangs. That's the main reason why organization like the Hagana were founded.
In WW2 time and after it almost all the "arabian" Jews suffered from horrible pogorms and many of them got kicked out to the street by the arabian government. So, the last thing that they would do is giving us a land to live in.

Yeh, like they live in harmony with the Christians in Lebanon and in Beit lehem, and the Kurds with the Iraqis, and the persians with the Iraqis and Saudis and the Egyptians with the Yemens, and the list is probably longer. They are realy peace loving :lol:

Oh and how can I forget the Sudanis with the black population, they love each other like brothers.

[Gatling]

OB Kenobi
Did you even know that it was proposed that the Jews be given Ethopia, rather than Israel originally? It was obvious even back then that resurrecting Israel would cause problems.
I don't think anybody could've given Ethiopia to anybody else because it was a sovereign country.But i do know , in the begining of the last century , a zionist organization , with the help of lord Rotschild{sp?} asked the king of the british empire {the one after queen victoria} to be given an experimental settlement in uganda.The idea was later dropped for the consensus among jews became that israel should be the focus.