Bosnian Muslim Fanatics

[RSK]

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[Raistlin]

From which newspaper?

[SerbPVO]

Photos from the HEART of Europe.

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[Mitch Rapp]

http://www.texastradingpost.com/yugosniper/muja.jpg

http://www.texastradingpost.com/yugosniper/mujb.jpg

7th Muslim Brigade?

[Gatling]

So what's the deal here? they got muslim brigades, serb brigades, croat brigades in the bosnian army?

[Syncmaster]

Isn't this old material? :roll:

"HEART" of Europe? :lol: GMAB, will you?

[Ayura]

Muslim Brigade....


Has there ever been a Christian/Hindu/Buddist/Jewish brigade by any chance?

[Bulkowski]

Muslim Brigade....


Has there ever been a Christian/Hindu/Buddist/Jewish brigade by any chance?Probably...

[One?]

there's a druze unit in the IDF. So its not uncommon for other armies to have units based on religion.

[Ichhabe]

Muslim Brigade....


Has there ever been a Christian/Hindu/Buddist/Jewish brigade by any chance?

Jewish Brigade in the British Army during WW II.

http://www.p4a.com/item_images/medium/15/98/76-01.jpg

http://www.zchor.org/losice/lewin1.jpg

Jakob Lewin in the Jewish Brigade attached to British 8th army. Brussels, Belgium 1944


Jewish Brigade Group--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The only military unit to serve in World War II in the British Army — and, in fact — in all the Allied forces — as an independent, national Jewish military formation, the Jewish Brigade Group comprised mainly of Jews from Eretz Yisrael and had its own emblem. The establishment of the Brigade was the final outcome of prolonged efforts by the yishuv and the Zionist Movement to achieve recognized participation and representation of the Jewish people in the war against Nazi Germany.

In 1940, the Jews of Palestine were permitted to enlist in Jewish companies attached to the East Kent Regiment (the “Buffs”). These companies were formed into three infantry battalions of a newly-established “Palestine Regiment.” The battalions were moved to Cyrenaica and Egypt, but there, too, as in Palestine, they continued to be engaged primarily in guard duties. The Jewish soldiers demanded to participate in the fighting and the right to display the Jewish flag.

In a letter to Chaim Weizmann in 1944, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill stated that his government was prepared "to discuss concrete proposals" in the matter of the formation of a Jewish Fighting Force. While Jews were dispersed throughout the British army, the Jewish Agency wished to concentrate them into one unit, flying the Jewish national flag.

Churchill was much more receptive to the idea than his predecessor, Neville Chamberlain. Chamberlain disapproved of an all-Jewish Brigade, fearing that it would give more legitimacy to the Jewish yearning for national independence. British policy since the White Paper of 1939 no longer favored partition, and therefore symbols of Jewish independence were not encouraged. As more and more information came to light over the tragedy in Europe, however, the British bowed to Zionist demands for a Jewish military unit.

It was not until September 1944, after six years of prolonged negotiations, that the British government agreed to the establishment of a Jewish Brigade. It consisted of Jewish infantry, artillery, and service units. After a period of training in Egypt, the Jewish Brigade Group — approximately 5,000 soldiers — took part in the final battles of the war on the Italian front under the command of the Canadian-born Jew, Brigadier Ernest Benjamin. In May 1945, the Brigade was moved to North East Italy where, for the first time, it encountered survivors of the Holocaust. In the summer of 1946, the British authorities decided to disband the Brigade.

Skills gained in the Jewish Brigade and in the British army in general was experience that would be put to use again during Israel's War of Independence. More than its military value, however, the Jewish Brigade served as a symbol of hope for renewed Jewish life in Eretz Israel. The soldiers of the Jewish Brigade met with survivors of the Holocaust in Displaced Persons camps, bringing them Jewish and Zionist culture. The Jewish Brigade was also instrumental in bringing many of the survivors to Palestine, by Bericha and “illegal immigration.”

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/brigade.html

[StarvingStudent47]

Muslim Brigade....


Has there ever been a Christian/Hindu/Buddist/Jewish brigade by any chance?

If I recall correctly, the British had a Jewish Brigade in WWI. EDIT--they fought in WWII, not WWI. They were volunteers from British Mandatory Palestine.

[VorpalDoom]

what about the "i dont give a flying fook" brigade?

oh yea... thats 99.99% of the military units. :roll:

[StarvingStudent47]

In terms of segregated regiments, the 54th Massachusetts Regiment (an African-American regiment from the civil war) was famous (the award-winning movie Glory is about them). Another famous unit was the Tuskeegee Airmen (an African-American fighter group) in WWII. The US military lifted racial segregation during the Korean War, though (better late than never).

[Ichhabe]

Muslim Brigade....


Has there ever been a Christian/Hindu/Buddist/Jewish brigade by any chance?

If I recall correctly, the British had a Jewish Brigade in WWI. EDIT--they fought in WWII, not WWI. They were volunteers from British Mandatory Palestine.

http://www.p4a.com/item_images/medium/15/98/76-01.jpg

Hi, do you recall seing this picture earlier in this thread? :D

[Jack Mehoff]

There was 100th Infantry Battalion in 442nd Regimental Combat Team made up of Japanese Americans in WW2 and Buffalo soldiers for African Americans.

[texastradingpost]

RSK,
If your going to pull my bandwidth with the pictures at lease give a link to my website your pulling it from or give some other credit. That's only fair is it not?
John from TX
http://www.texastradingpost.com/yugosniper

[UoUo]

there's a druze unit in the IDF. So its not uncommon for other armies to have units based on religion.

Don't think so....

But i know for sure that we have a "beduhim" unit....

But that stpid to say it's based on relgion...cuz it's not...the "beduim" are very diffrend from the jewish Israelis...and they probaly won't get along with them in the same unit.

[Ichhabe]

RSK,
If your going to pull my bandwidth with the pictures at lease give a link to my website your pulling it from or give some other credit. That's only fair is it not?
John from TX
http://www.texastradingpost.com/yugosniper


To RSK

http://confederatewarehouse.com/clothing/shirts/P-385.jpg


rofl

[combat jack]

Where is a daisy cutter when you need one?

I'll tell you one thing that the Muslims, Jews, and Christians have in common.
They all feel that their religion is far superior to anyone elses, and that God has put them on this earth to convert its people (more so for the Muslims and Christians). The Jewish and Christian religions seem to be a little more tolerant.

I f*cking hate religious fanatics of all faiths. A relationship with God is a personal affair, and anyone who refuses one should be left to their own devices. Any time I see a religious fanatic with a rifle it makes me sick. The two cancel each other out. Any god that instructs its followers to kill is no god of mine.

[UoUo]

Jews not allowed to convert people to be jewish....

the 1 that wnat to be jewish can do that but that is very diffcult.

[Mitch Rapp]

7th Muslim Brigade and some other unit of Bosnia and Hercegovina are considered regular army forces. Except that their soldiers have to pray several times daily and observe other Islamic rituals. Which I find really disturbing.

[Ike]

This picture has been taken during the war in Bosnia. Probably '92-93.
These are members of regular Muslim army in Bosnia. Brigade was totaly demolished late '94 trying to connect Sarajevo with the central Bosnia.

These are local fighters but they were boosting their moral by dressing in mujahedin's clothes. Bosnian army was heavily influenced by arab mercenaries, mujahedins and the rest of the arab scum from Iran, Algere, Lebanon, Iran, Pakistan...

And their way of threating prisoners was the same. Beheading.

Regards.

[Mitch Rapp]

7th Bosnian Muslim Brigade, based in Zenica - the international Islamic mercenary force known as the mujahedeen


"... The first and foremost of such conclusions is surely the one on the incompatibility of Islam and non-Islamic systems. There can be no peace or coexistence between the "Islamic faith" and non- Islamic societies and political institutions. ... Islam clearly excludes the right and possibility of activity of any strange ideology on its own turf. Therefore, there is no question of any laicistic principles, and the state should be an expression and should support the moral concepts of the religion. ..." page 22 "The Islamic Declaration" book ("Islamska deklaracija"), written by Mr. Alija Izetbegovic, Bosnian Muslim leader.

In preparing the ground for the conflicts between Bosnian Cristians (Croats and Serbs) and Bosnian Muslims, residents of different Arab countries who in the B&H had recognized the elements and challenge of “a holy war” - jihad. Coming from different Arab countries, most of them were from Yemen, Algeria, Egypt, Tunisia and Afghanistan, and bringing with them experience from a war from some of the Islamic trouble spots.

Mujahedin, or «holy warriors», is a generic term for Muslim volunteers fighting in the former Yugoslavia. Many Mujahedin originate from Muslim countries outside the former Yugoslavia. It was reported that the Mujahedin began arriving in BiH as early as June 1992. (Tom Post & Joel Brand, «Help from the Holy Warriors», Newsweek, 5 October 1992, at 52). Reports on the number of Mujahedin forces operating in BiH vary, but it is unlikely that the Mujahedin forces have made a significant military contribution to the BiH Government's war effort (Christopher Lockwood, «Muslim Nations Offer Troops», Daily Telegraph, 14 July 1993, at 14. According to Lockwood, Muslim nations depended on Western logistical support to deliver troops to BiH. He concludes that the same logistical troubles which kept the Muslim troops promised in July of 1993 from joining UN forces in the UN declared «safe havens» also limited the number of Muslim volunteers in the BiH armed forces. He states that the number of Mujahedin in BiH never exceeded three or four hundred. See also Mohamed Sid-Ahmad, «Muslim World Between Two Fires», War Report, January 1993, IHRLI Doc. No. 63744. However, the Belgrade Daily, Vecernje Novosti, reported that as many as 30,000 Mujahedin were operating in BiH. «Other Reports in Brief: Muslims from Abroad Settling in Bosnia and Herzegovina, Belgrade Daily Claims», BBC, Summary of World Broadcasts, 19 September 1992. )

The Mujahedin forces came from several Muslim states and many of them were veterans of the Afghan war. (Andrew Hogg, «Arabs Join in Bosnia Battle», Sunday Times, 30 August 1992)

Reports submitted to the Commission of Experts alleged that the Mujahedin have been responsible for the mutilation and killing of civilians, rape, looting, the destruction of property, and the expulsion of non-Muslim populations. The deputy commander of the BiH Army, Colonel Stjepan Siber, has said, «it was a mistake to let them [the Mujahedin] here . . . They commit most of the atrocities and work against the interests of the Muslim people. They have been killing, looting and stealing.» Andrew Hogg, «Terror Trail of the Mujahedin», Sunday Times, 27 June 1993.

Several reports indicate that the Mujahedin were placed under the command of the BiH Army.(See «Some 400 Mujahedin Volunteers Fighting with Bosnian Muslims», Agence France Presse, 22 September 1992; Andrew Hogg, «Arabs Join in Bosnia Battle», Sunday Times, 30 August 1992; see also Charles McLoed, ECMM, «Report on Inter-Ethnic Violence in Vitez, Busovaca and Zenica», April 1993, IHRLI Doc. No. 20178- 20546, at 20207; Croatian Information Centre, Weekly Bulletin, No. 9, 4 October 1993, IHRLI Doc. No. 36434-36438, at 36435; US Department of State, 1993, IHRLI Doc. No. 62612-62877, at 62648, 62724, 62730, and 62756)

The Mujahedin forces were closely associated with the 5th Corps, the 6th and 7th Zenica Brigades, the 7th Travnik Brigade, and the 45th Muslim Brigade which belongs to the 6th Corps in Konjic of the Army of BiH (US Department of State, 1993, IHRLI Doc. No. 62612-62877, at 62648; see also Croatian Information Centre, Weekly Bulletin, No. 9, 4 October 1993, IHRLI Doc. No. 36434-36438, at 36435; «Continuing Clashes in Northwestern Enclave Reported from Both Sides», BBC, Summary of World Broadcasts, 14 December 1993.)

They also allegedly fought alongside the Muslim Police, the Krajiska Brigade from Travnik, units of Kosovo Muslims, Albanian soldiers, and paramilitary groups such as the «Green Legion» and the «Black Swans».(Charles McLoed, ECMM, Report on Inter-Ethnic Violence in Vitez, Busovaca and Zenica, April 1993, IHRLI Doc. No. 20178-20546, at 20207; Croatian Information Centre, Weekly Bulletin, No. 9, 4 October 1993, IHRLI Doc. No. 36434-36438, at 36435; US Department of State, 1993, IHRLI Doc. No. 62612-62877, at 62648, 62724, 62730, and 62756.)

Reports also indicate that the Mujahedin had the support of President Izetbegovic and his government. *57 This was demonstrated in the Bihac pocket, where the Mujahedin joined BiH forces loyal to Izetbegovic. Together, these forces battled separatist forces who entered into a separate peace treaty with Bosnian Serbs («Continuing Clashes in Northwestern Enclave Reported form Both Sides», BBC, Summary of World Broadcasts, 14 December 1993)

In Zenica, between 31 August and 2 September 1992, 250 Mujahedin troops allegedly come to BiH from Turkey, Qatar, Bahrain and Iran. These troops worked alongside the Green Legion and HOS paramilitary groups stationed in Zenica. The Mujahedin allegedly also operated a camp at Arnauti.(Charles McLeod, ECMM, Report on Inter-Ethnic Violence in Vitez, Buscovaca and Zenica, April 1993, IHRLI Doc. No. 29043-29131, at 29064; Biljaja Plavsic, Republic of Serbia Presidency, To Serbs All Over the World, 30 September 1992, IHRLI Doc. No. 48072- 48093, at 48081)

It was reported that a unit of the Mujahedin, called the «Guerilla», participated in the 16 April 1993 attack on Vitez and attempted to exchange 10 HVO hostages for foreign prisoners held in HVO prisons. (US Department of State, 1993, IHRLI Doc. No. 62612-62877, at 62629; see also Charles McLeod, ECMM, Report on Inter-Ethnic Violence in Vitez, Busovaca and Zenica, April 1993, IHRLI Doc. No. 29043-29131, at 29072 (attack on Vitez).

The Croatian Ministry of Defence is reported to have provided information about an event occurring in June 1993 -- a joint BiH/Mujahedin unit reportedly attacked Travnik, allegedly forcing 4,000 Croatian civilians and military personnel out of the town. (US Department of State, 1993, IHRLI Doc. No. 62612-62877, at 62650. Media reports however claim that Croats left Travnik voluntarily. The incident was investigated by an organization, which reported that the forceful eviction did not take place)

The Mujahedin allegedly fought alongside the 6th Muslim Brigade from Zenica and the Krajiska Brigade from Travnik. Witnesses stated that they saw Mujahedin operating in small patrols ahead of the approaching BiH troops.

According to HVO intelligence, Mujahedin forces arrived in Travnik sometime before June 1993 and came from Algeria, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran. The Mujahedin trained at a camp at Mehurici, where they were allegedly financed and equipped by a man named Abdulah, the owner of the «Palma» video store in Travnik. Once in town, the Mujahedin were linked to the Seventh Brigade of the BiH Army, and were reportedly assembled into units of 10 to 15 men, and moved about on regular patrols. The Mujahedin created tension in Travnik in the days prior to the attack on 3 June. One witness stated that the Mujahedin directed their actions towards the HVO personnel in town. They allegedly demonstrated, shouted slogans and fired their rifles in the air.

Mujahedin allegedly participated in the attack on Maljine in Novi Travnik on 8 June 1993, killing 20 to 30 HVO members and transporting Croatian women and children to the training centre at Mehurici.(Croatian Information Centre, Weekly Bulletin, No. 1, 9 August 1993)

In Konjic, the Mujahedin were part of a 100 member force stationed at Liscioi and led by Haso Hakalovic. The unit was assembled in February 1993 and included some Kosovo Muslims and members of the Black Swans from the Igman mountain region. (US Department of State, 1993, IHRLI Doc. No. 62612-62877, at 62756)

Allegedly, Mujahedin troops killed and expelled villagers, and looted and burned homes, when they moved against the Jablanica- Konjic area. The Mujahedin troops and members of the Black Swans reportedly conducted occasional raids without members of BiH forces. (at IHRLI Doc. No. 62752 and 62756. The village of Vrci was attacked on 25 May, and the village of Radesine was attacked on 10 June. See also Tadeusz Mazowiecki, Fifth Periodic Report on the Situation of Human Rights in the Territory of the Former Yugoslavia, U.N. Doc. E/CN.4/1994/47, 17 November 1993, IHRLI Doc. No. 52399-52435, at 52405 (alleging that the Mujahedin were involved in attacks at Kopjari on 21 October, Doljani on 27 and 28 June, and Maljane on 8 June). UN Special *******eur Mazowiecki claims that corpses of Mujahedin victims displayed evidence of protracted cruelty and mutilation. )

Reportedly, the Mujahedin volunteers arrived in Konjic in small groups. It was reported that they were from Afghanistan and that they claimed to be students. They were allegedly armed with Hekleri automatic weapons and former JNA equipment. Some Mujahedin were reportedly former students with no military experience.

Mujahedin forces were present in Mostar since early June 1993. They were reportedly stationed in the Santica neighbourhood on the Muslim/HVO front, where they manned bunkers, usually in groups of six or seven, armed with 7.62 millimetre semi-automatic weapons, machine-guns, and Zolja anti-tank weapons. They were billeted in a building they shared with the Muslim military police on the east bank of the Neretva River. The Mujahedin forces apparently left Mostar on 15 August. (US Department of State, 1993, IHRLI Doc. No. 62612-62877, at 62742 and 62677. For more details on the location of the Neretva living quarters, see Id. at 62739)

FRY reported that the Mujahedin began operations near Teslic in July and August of 1992. Troops from Saudi Arabia allegedly killed three Serbian Territorial Defence members and placed the victims' severed heads on poles near the «Tesanj turret». (Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, Second Report Submitted to the Commission of Experts, 1993, IHRLI Doc. No. 28401-29019, at 28533)

Beheadings of Serbs by Mujahedin forces have also been reported in other areas.

The Mujahedin were also alleged to be part of the forces that invaded the village of Trusina near Foca on 15 April 1993. According to the report, attackers wore white ribbons on their arms and fought beside Albanian Muslim troops. Twenty-two civilians reportedly died in the attack. (US Department of State, 1993, IHRLI Doc. No. 62612-62877, at 62648; Croatian Information Centre, Weekly Bulletin, No. 9, 4 October 1993, IHRLI Doc. No. 36434-36438, at 36435)

The Mujahedin allegedly performed crude circumcisions upon Serbian police forces, who were later treated by an American surgeon at the Kosevo hospital in Sarajevo. (Letter dated 7 December 1992 from the Deputy Representative of the US to U.N. Secretary-General, U.N. Doc. S/24918, 8 December 1992, IHRLI Doc. No. 3160-3177, at 3173; Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, Second Report Submitted to the Commission of Experts, 1993, IHRLI Doc. No. 28401-29019, at 28566)

Source where you can find some graphik images:
http://www.balkanpeace.org/temp/tmp13.html

[Raistlin]

Good info from all of you.


Israeli Druze also serve in the Israeli army, voluntarily since 1948, and (at their request) compulsorily since 1956. Their privileges and responsibilites are the same as Israeli Jews; thus, all Druze are drafted, but exemptions are given for religious students and for various other reasons; however, conscientious objectors typically face jail time >> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druze#The_Druze_today)
The question is whether they get their own unit.

[Metak]

This should be a video gallery of mujahedeens in Bosnia (graphic!!!).
http://www.rs-icty.org/engleski/glavna_galerija_video_eng.htm

[Ichhabe]

This should be a video gallery of mujahedeens in Bosnia (graphic!!!).
http://www.rs-icty.org/engleski/glavna_galerija_video_eng.htm

Ever heard the expression; "Beware Greeks bearing gifts"???

When will you Serbs understand that this forum is meant as a tribute to the armed forces of the world, and not a platform for your so GOD DAMN BORING POLITICAL AXES THAT YOU GRIND AND GRIND AND GRIND!!!!!!

Why can't you guys get together around a table at a cafè in Belgrade and fokk eachother up with your stinking grapich pictures that seems to give you such a hard on. MAN!!! You're really start to tick me off here... :bash: :bash: :bash:

[dan_pub]

Muslim Brigade....
Has there ever been a Christian/Hindu/Buddist/Jewish brigade by any chance?
As others have pointed out, there was a Jewish Brigade in the British empire. There was one in WW1, and one again in WW2. (plus many other units).

There were also Muslim units. In the Waffen SS. Among which the very infamous Hanjar/Handschar division, a Muslim unit personally recruited for Hitler by no less than the great mufti of Jerusalem himself, Hajj Amin Al-Husseini (uncle of the late Al-Husseini) as a counterpayment for the promise to apply the final solution to the Jews of the Holly land after the war. I believe its actions are well remembered in the Balkans.



On a related note, there were "native" troops in all the colonial powers. In the French army for ex, there were Spahi, Tabor, etc in which all the rank-&-file was Muslim. (AFAIK the officers were European French, tho).

The British empire also had "local" units like the Gurkha, Bengal lancers, and whatnot. The religion of these men was of the local variety too.


As for Christian brigades, that is exactly how I would call the Templars... :D

[Ichhabe]

Muslim Brigade....
Has there ever been a Christian/Hindu/Buddist/Jewish brigade by any chance?
As for Christian brigades, that is exactly how I would call the Templars... :D

...and the Hospitalers. But that was way back in history. (Guess where we got the word hospital from?)

[goldman]

Hey u're forgeting the russian mercaneries fighting along side with serbs they were one of the worst units that comited attrocities along side with paramilitary guys during the war. :bash:

[HooyahCQB]

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http://www.texastradingpost.com/yugosniper/mujb.jpg

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl


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[texastradingpost]

Like Ichhabe Said!

Actually, I am very glad I ran across this site/forum even if I did by looking to see what was pulling the extra bandwidth from my webspace. Have enjoyed looking around and will be back.
Been fun guys,
John

[RSK]

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[StarvingStudent47]

I'll tell you one thing that the Muslims, Jews, and Christians have in common.
They all feel that their religion is far superior to anyone elses, and that God has put them on this earth to convert its people (more so for the Muslims and Christians). The Jewish and Christian religions seem to be a little more tolerant.

I f*cking hate religious fanatics of all faiths. A relationship with God is a personal affair, and anyone who refuses one should be left to their own devices. Any time I see a religious fanatic with a rifle it makes me sick. The two cancel each other out. Any god that instructs its followers to kill is no god of mine.

Judaism is not evangelical. If you wanna join, that's cool, but YOU have to bring up the issue. We don't. That's why there's only about 20 million of us, and Christianity and Islam each have a billion or so.

And for what it's worth, Britain's "Jewish Brigade" were NOT religious fanatics. It was a cultural/geographical thing, no more sinister than Scottish units in the British Army like the Black Watch (are they still around?), or Canadian units before Canada became independent.

[Raistlin]

There were also Muslim units. In the Waffen SS. Among which the very infamous Hanjar/Handschar division, a Muslim unit personally recruited for Hitler by no less than the great mufti of Jerusalem himself, Hajj Amin Al-Husseini (uncle of the late Al-Husseini) as a counterpayment for the promise to apply the final solution to the Jews of the Holly land after the war.
Yes, indeed. AFAIK that's why Eichmann's plan to extradite all jews to palestine/israel wasn't approved. Isn't it interesting how small/unknown things like that lead to great events?